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Wot is wrong wiv british tv today?! Your ugly but its ok... wtf. Do all women really need to have their ego stroked like this? Im willin to bet her husband is an ugly fat fuck too, so get over it.
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wtf that vid ure talking about is fine theres nuthin wrong about it its not real its just a fuking documentary made to create awareness that that kind of thing is happening in our world, ok its pretty horrible to think that actually happened but covering it up wont help anything
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I think a better analysis is that she is slightly neurotic, through lack of self-respect.
Consider: if someone was utterly selfish, she would not see any reason to deny herself goods.
If someone was totally lacking in self-respect she could not (plausibly) go on being utterly selfish because selfishness requires one to give priority to oneself over others, whereas (total) lack of self respect makes the possessor lesser than others.
While the two are not logical opposites, I think that in the case of this video it is more that the woman feels depreciated, and has lost her sense of self-respect which makes her neurotic; but I don't see anything particularly selfish about her behaviour. (Especially as she is willing to change certain of her dispositions on Gok's advice).
PCness!... while she's not horrendously ugly for a woman of her age, she's nowhere near good looking, remember this show is called "how to look GOOD naked"!
in 1908 a lady named sally rusa was in the woods looking for a dog until a ghost came and killed her so if ur reading this u will find a bloody body in your closet hanging there haunting you and will kill you and ur family and if u want to stop this just sends this to 6 videos in 30 mins or this will happen good luck!!
fucking hell. people need to stop worrying about others and critisising and start thinking how they look,act,talk or whatever. dont bullshit about things and do completly diff
While I respect your open mindedness, and I do, that is mainly incorrect, it's one of those objective/subjective problems where the ob/sub blend into one another. While it's true that what is "attractive" is in the beholder, good looks are not the same thing, example you can have 3 gud looking girls/guys and yet u may only like the look of one...why?..cos that is your taste however you'll still be able to recognise that they are all good looking, it dont mean tht theres no objectivity to looks
So what I'm saying, is that good looking and attraction are disconnected they are not the same thing, but they do coincide. Also what is attractive has been scientifically quantified to be at least mainly innate, its not that humans should be so thin that they are skinny with visible rib and such, that would be to far the opposite, but its about balance, all mammals forms should closely relate to the chassis size and shape I.E.: the skeleton, this much excess fat is by nature unattractive.
"good looking and attraction are .... not the same thing,"
That's true, because you can be attracted to someone even if you don't think they're good looking. Ugly, fat, old, bald guys can always get laid if they're rich enough for example.
"good looking and attraction are .... not the same thing,"
"That's true, because you can be attracted to someone even if you don't think they're good looking. Ugly, fat, old, bald guys can always get laid if they're rich enough for example."
Yeah another logical fallacy, while that is correct your usage of such logic in the context I stated was incorrect, while it's true such is reliant on them persons being wealthy, but it does not make them aesthetically pleasing, it's simply the money.
You're conflating that with attraction, which is incorrect.
"your usage of such logic in the context I stated was incorrect"
Or your original statement was out of context.
You're full of shit.
Using long words you don't understand and quote-mining wikipedia might work on other ignorant people, but since I actually am as well informed as you're pretending to be, it doesn't impress me much.
"Also what is attractive has been scientifically quantified to be at least mainly innate,"
The "mainly" that you invoke refers to anything BUT how fat someone is.
Attraction is a way to determine genetic strength and reproductive health.
In our natural environment (20,000 BC and before) heavier would be seen as healthier because the main threat to reproductive suitability was malnutrition.
"heavier would be seen as healthier because the main threat to reproductive suitability was malnutrition."
Ah you've fucked up again, you see that heavy you speak of would not sag, it would not be fat, also there are many forms of quantifier to state that healthy Cro-Magnon (20,000 BC and before) were around 165lbs around 11st at 5'8-9 and of a lightly athletic musculature. You're getting logically raped!
But I know that, which is why I believe you to be making assumption about what I think is the right body fat percentage it's like you seem to think that I think that people should be skin and bone....I dont!
That depends on which concept, if you are referring to the cultural only then you are correct that is not innate, but our modern scientific concept has proven that a firm fit shape has over time evolve to become something attractive here's why: firm=fit/strong/healthy
which has by instinct come to symbolise survival though adaptation, under the same principal this is explanatory of the fact that birds already know migration routines from birth
"Also what is attractive has been scientifically quantified to be at least mainly innate,"
The only attributes which are universally seen as attractive are symmetry, proportion and bone structure. For a woman large hips compared to waist, a small jaw and brow bone, small hands and feet etc. This is because they demonstrate good development, high levels of female hormones and sexual maturity.
"this much excess fat is by nature unattractive. "
Because of the nature of our social conditioning, not because of our innate neurobiology.
"all mammals forms should closely relate to the chassis size and shape"
So elephant seals, manatees, hippos, eskimos and people from samoa aren't mammals then?
Saying that appreciating skinny girls is innate based on today's demographic is like saying driving a car is innate just because it's common in the modern world.
"So elephant seals, manatees, hippos, Eskimos and people from Samoa aren't mammals then?" you actually used the example I thought you would, logical syllogism, your major premise is incorrect, all of the above examples have a large chassis! Fat humans do not, they have to much subcutaneous fat it's not the same equivalent. Also, are you attracted to hippos? They are not of our spices!
"all of the above examples have a large chassis! "
Except for elephant seals, manatees, eskimos and samoans.
Check the ratio between skeleton, muscle mass and and bodyfat for the examples. They're all much higher than average humans. Some of them by an order of magnitude.
You speak out of ignorance and refuse to check the evidence.
That is not correct, you cant see that an elephants chassis skeletal structure is almost as large as the animal when it was living, where as if you took an obese human who died of heart disease they would have a much thinner skeleton in relation to the size that they once were when they were alive, it you who is ignorant for it is ignorance to assume that I'm conditioned, I'm not I'm using what science proven. also you made the assumption that "emaciated" was what I thought was right
"most mammals are lean in a land based environment."
"The further away from your original statement that gets, the more correct it becomes. Coincidence?" Yes I'm sorry for the fact that I fucked up in generalising
Shape and subcutaneous fat are two different things, most tribal races are lean(lean does not mean skinny get it right) meaning most of the shape is composed of muscle!
"In the wild, those who are naturally thin would have a very low chance of survival." That is crap! Utter shite!
I'd love to see a fat woman run away from a tiger only to attempt to try and climb a tree and fail! since the most common threat in nature is a predator!
"That is crap! Utter shite!" (naturally thin=low survivability)
Evidence?
"I'd love to see a fat woman run away from a tiger only to attempt to try and climb a tree and fail!"
But they wouldn't be fat in their natural environment. They would be average. Those less efficient at converting (scarce) food into body mass would be dead.
In comparison to the actual meaning of innate (look it up), today's ideas of female beauty are frail and infantile.
This is partly a product of the super-abundance of material wealth we have today. This is evidenced by the fact that the perception of the perfect figure correlates directly to the economic climate; in recessions heavier women are seen as better, and in economic growth periods thinner women are seen as more attractive.
It is also caused by the ubiquitous over-nutrition and attendant decrease in the age of puberty.
Natural humans would look for the youngest sexually mature mate available. But because in the modern world a girl can easily reach reproductive maturity before she is fully physiologically developed, our idea of beauty has been distorted to prefer a childlike (emaciated) appearance.
In the wild, those who are naturally thin would have a very low chance of survival.
So you're really just giving rationalizations for your modern perspective and social conditioning.
There is no scientific basis for what you are saying, and your claim that there is demonstrates you don't really understand what objectivity and science are based on.
If attraction worked the way you describe, and the attributes you mention were really innate, the human race simply would not have survived.
By default we want the healthiest parents for our children. But as humans, our superior intellect allows us to override instinct. So in poor society, big becomes attractive, from its association with wealth. Or in rich society, small becomes attractive as it rejects obesity - the main threat to the health in the west. We prefer athletic, low fat, but not skinny body shapes, evidenced by research that parents unanimously hope for this body shape for their children - because it is healthiest
@m3141592 I dont see how it isnt healthy, SHE HAS CURVES, shes not a stick and it proves she isnt afraid of eating, shes fun to be around because she isnt constantly counting her calories, she fills up her clothes, and shes not overweight, she is healthy and natural.
No one is brainwashing them in to not eating a balanced diet. Take it from me mate as a former five stone over weight excuse making fatty...It was all my own doing, I used to blame everything an deveryone else, I had an uneractive thyroid etc etc etc blah blah.
bottom line I stopped eating lard!
I have lived abroad many countries. Czech Republic for example. Why so few fat people there?...because its in the culture not to stuff your fat face. get it? go on make excuses and endorse fat actions.
I really cant stand arseholes on YT like you who try and pass themselves off as intellectuals.
Brainwashing-Advertising. Thats the point Dumbo..Advertising IS Brainwashing. YES IT WORKS!
Now, bring that ideology in to peoples daily lives and you can convince them of anything. Its called social engineering. Its rife in politics, religion, atheism, science, and of course you can convince people their lard like physique is actually beautiful. Bullshit.
haha u watched Fightclub. this is a good programme to boost some women's Self Esteem. the most beatuful girls i hv dated had low self esteem. join rsdnation
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How to look good naked? Lose some f*cking weight! But seriously, I think what he does with these women is really great. It is more about the confidence than anything.
The only thing I disagree with is when they get a girl one who is obviously overweight and tell her she's not that bad. That's encouraging someone to be unhealthy. That's not the case with this woman mind you. But I've seen a few like that.
I'm really sorry, but these things freak me out sooo much!
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If you start reading thins you CANT stop .Once ther was a little girl named Cecilia.She was a little 7 year old who got strangled and raped by a man =.If you dont post this to 15 other videos you will see CCecilia standing at the end of your bed with a knife and she will kill you
You have to do this by midnight or you will be dead
Actually he's worked pretty hard to get where he is; he used to be 21 stone if you can believe that, and he knows what its like to feel uncomfortable in your own body. He might be flamboyant and sometimes annoying but he has done wonders promoting self-confidence among people of every size and shape, so get some perspective on thing before you start mouthing off about it.
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You sir, are a twat. What are you, size zero? I don't care if you think she's fat or ugly, just don't go around saying things like that. Its people like you who have no regard for other peoples' feeling that cause this horrible dip in peoples' self confidence. If you have nothing nice to say, crawl into a hole and go on living your life with your perfect body behind closed doors.
MagicalCarrot....hahaha LOL! You seem quite happy to insult me! so you are obviously a hypocrit! I guess I could point your comments straight back at YOU!
If its on youtube it invites comment, so I commented. If you don't like it ...tough shit!
She obviously was not too worried about appearing on national TV for a few quid and getting her kit off!
Maybe you need to think before insulting.
You just make yourself look like an uneducated inbred retard!
Luv gok !!
goingsupernuts 8 months ago
I wish he would come to the US D:
smileymushroom123 10 months ago
luckkyyy shes so tall!! i feel like a dwarf LOL
PinkishTOFU 1 year ago
@PinkishTOFU yeah............. i dont. when i was in 5th grade i was 5'3'' my the time i got out.
CookieMonstahMadness 1 year ago
I think Rachel is gorgeous!
SOBEKsRAINBOW 1 year ago
I think her workmates need to go to 'Specsavers'.
MrAstrolamp 2 years ago
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Wot is wrong wiv british tv today?! Your ugly but its ok... wtf. Do all women really need to have their ego stroked like this? Im willin to bet her husband is an ugly fat fuck too, so get over it.
KingoftheGantsHill 2 years ago
I also find myself wondering what's wrong with people's English nowadays, too.
Meginkitty 2 years ago 16
You have a nerv to insult them, when your proberly an ugly fat shit your self
lolixoOo 2 years ago 2
It's too boost confidence to not end up with an uneducated lowlife like yourself!
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u can tell this girls bmi is too high
aka
being fat
but whatever why is this on youtube anyways? not that interesting
loool run away from a tiger!
xx
PortugalBabe14 2 years ago
gok is sooo fit
mxoli22 2 years ago
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All these fat women just need a good fucking, that will soon get the weight off.
Hertsman50 2 years ago
She's not even fat.
All that shit about "running away from the tigers" is total bull.
Who in todays world is running from freaking tigers anyway?
LittleMissScary14 2 years ago
Well exactly.
And if she was running away from tigers and doing the fighting for survival bit, it would be a good workout, so she wouldn't be as heavy.
m3141592 2 years ago
0:45 "we're all sisters" looooooooooool
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dink579 2 years ago
Great tits
lepprock100 2 years ago
hhaahaha
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The above video is a cold blood killing of 2 small children. It has been on YouTube from the 18th of June 2008 and nothing is getting done. Many, many viewers (like myself) feel sick, have flagged the video and YouTube will still not take it down.
GRAPHIC so not recommended to watch!
finallyconfused 2 years ago
wtf that vid ure talking about is fine theres nuthin wrong about it its not real its just a fuking documentary made to create awareness that that kind of thing is happening in our world, ok its pretty horrible to think that actually happened but covering it up wont help anything
specialhamattack 2 years ago
Man the harpoons!
MCHammersmith 2 years ago
Well she ain't fat, she's curvy, nice.
jboweruk 2 years ago 3
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eoinyo 2 years ago
load of bollocks
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what happens...i haven't tried it yet.. i cant find the refresh button
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puremage000 2 years ago
we dnt eat u fat $***
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benengmann 2 years ago
chav
chantbott 2 years ago 2
Anyway this show is bullshit.
It isn't her fat ass she should worry about, it's her vanity and lack of self respect, and maybe her huge nose.
m3141592 2 years ago
True I suppose it's pointless argument anyway.
johnnycagetheboss 2 years ago
'her vanity and lack of self respect'--uh, wtf?!!
That's like saying her main problems are being X and not-X. Think about what you are saying :p
flaze3 2 years ago
"That's like saying"
Except the two aren't opposites. There's a third factor present in one and absent in the other.
Which is selfishness.
m3141592 2 years ago
I think a better analysis is that she is slightly neurotic, through lack of self-respect.
Consider: if someone was utterly selfish, she would not see any reason to deny herself goods.
If someone was totally lacking in self-respect she could not (plausibly) go on being utterly selfish because selfishness requires one to give priority to oneself over others, whereas (total) lack of self respect makes the possessor lesser than others.
flaze3 2 years ago
While the two are not logical opposites, I think that in the case of this video it is more that the woman feels depreciated, and has lost her sense of self-respect which makes her neurotic; but I don't see anything particularly selfish about her behaviour. (Especially as she is willing to change certain of her dispositions on Gok's advice).
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johnnycagetheboss 2 years ago
Great Video, Enlightening; Please Watch Mine, I Watched Yours ;)
TheOnlineChef 2 years ago
damn all these essays calm down
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09harrisoemma 2 years ago
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HELLO!! She's REALLY fat!!
What with that excess SKIN around her bra?!
Eeshk! That women needs some vegetables and a gym membership!
summercool3 2 years ago
They're called boobs! Your breast tissue goes all the way underneath your arm to your arm pit by the way.
sayjansfield 2 years ago
Who the hell do you think you are?
She has a fantastic body - her curves make her look womanly, and she should be proud of that.
Your shallow outlook will get you nowhere.
MortalEnemy 2 years ago
PCness!... while she's not horrendously ugly for a woman of her age, she's nowhere near good looking, remember this show is called "how to look GOOD naked"!
johnnycagetheboss 2 years ago
She probably just needs a better fitting bra..
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RyanManUtd 2 years ago
My girlfriend is so fat I broke my penis :(
darkstar3x16 2 years ago
oh god :S
jeah33 2 years ago
Poor You.
Lol
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TuRdSandwitch18 2 years ago
fucking hell. people need to stop worrying about others and critisising and start thinking how they look,act,talk or whatever. dont bullshit about things and do completly diff
TheBabieeeGirl 2 years ago
0.05, not that it matters, but Gok looks like a woman here.
TheFemaleDurden 2 years ago
i would...
gracey62uk 2 years ago
Sorry but fat girls cannot be made attractive by any illusion :S I'm not being mean, it's just it's actually not THAT hard to get fit and healthy.
yaxxee 2 years ago
"Sorry but fat girls cannot be made attractive by any illusion"
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It is a cultural construct.
For the vast majority of human history a bodyshape that you would call overweight has been the ideal.
I'm not saying it's healthier; it isn't.
I'm not saying it's more natural; it isn't.
The fact remains that what people think of as beautiful is not just innate, it is acquired.
Try to see outside of your narrow world view.
m3141592 2 years ago 43
While I respect your open mindedness, and I do, that is mainly incorrect, it's one of those objective/subjective problems where the ob/sub blend into one another. While it's true that what is "attractive" is in the beholder, good looks are not the same thing, example you can have 3 gud looking girls/guys and yet u may only like the look of one...why?..cos that is your taste however you'll still be able to recognise that they are all good looking, it dont mean tht theres no objectivity to looks
johnnycagetheboss 2 years ago
So what I'm saying, is that good looking and attraction are disconnected they are not the same thing, but they do coincide. Also what is attractive has been scientifically quantified to be at least mainly innate, its not that humans should be so thin that they are skinny with visible rib and such, that would be to far the opposite, but its about balance, all mammals forms should closely relate to the chassis size and shape I.E.: the skeleton, this much excess fat is by nature unattractive.
johnnycagetheboss 2 years ago
"good looking and attraction are .... not the same thing,"
That's true, because you can be attracted to someone even if you don't think they're good looking. Ugly, fat, old, bald guys can always get laid if they're rich enough for example.
m3141592 2 years ago
"good looking and attraction are .... not the same thing,"
"That's true, because you can be attracted to someone even if you don't think they're good looking. Ugly, fat, old, bald guys can always get laid if they're rich enough for example."
Yeah another logical fallacy, while that is correct your usage of such logic in the context I stated was incorrect, while it's true such is reliant on them persons being wealthy, but it does not make them aesthetically pleasing, it's simply the money.
johnnycagetheboss 2 years ago
"aesthetically pleasing,"
You're conflating that with attraction, which is incorrect.
"your usage of such logic in the context I stated was incorrect"
Or your original statement was out of context.
You're full of shit.
Using long words you don't understand and quote-mining wikipedia might work on other ignorant people, but since I actually am as well informed as you're pretending to be, it doesn't impress me much.
m3141592 2 years ago
"Also what is attractive has been scientifically quantified to be at least mainly innate,"
The "mainly" that you invoke refers to anything BUT how fat someone is.
Attraction is a way to determine genetic strength and reproductive health.
In our natural environment (20,000 BC and before) heavier would be seen as healthier because the main threat to reproductive suitability was malnutrition.
m3141592 2 years ago
"heavier would be seen as healthier because the main threat to reproductive suitability was malnutrition."
Ah you've fucked up again, you see that heavy you speak of would not sag, it would not be fat, also there are many forms of quantifier to state that healthy Cro-Magnon (20,000 BC and before) were around 165lbs around 11st at 5'8-9 and of a lightly athletic musculature. You're getting logically raped!
johnnycagetheboss 2 years ago
"you've fucked up again,"
The use of "again" suggests it happened earlier, which you (coincidentally?) haven't given any evidence for.
"that heavy you speak of would not sag, it would not be fat"
You didn't look at the physical evidence of the paleolithic venus figurines then?
"healthy Cro-Magnon (20,000 BC and before) were around 165lbs around 11st at 5'8-9 and of a lightly athletic musculature."
How is that relevant to the perceived ideal they held?
m3141592 2 years ago
"How is that relevant to the perceived ideal they held?"
Because health and attraction are very closely related
johnnycagetheboss 2 years ago
"Because health and attraction are very closely related "
Relevance?
Just because something (like correct diet) was healthy, it doesn't mean they had access to it.
They had to literally fight for their lives. Every joule of food energy required all of their strength and cunning to collect.
Being predisposed to greed wasn't an issue back then, because it was impossible to find that much food anyway.
Today is DIFFERENT.
m3141592 2 years ago
But I know that, which is why I believe you to be making assumption about what I think is the right body fat percentage it's like you seem to think that I think that people should be skin and bone....I dont!
johnnycagetheboss 2 years ago
No, that's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is the modern concept of what percentage of body fat is most attractive is NOT INNATE it is ACQUIRED.
I happen to find leaner people more attractive, but I don't try to fool myself that there is something natural or anthropologically correct about it.
It's largely a product of social conditioning, as evidenced by the preference for more bodyfat in prehistoric (and some modern) cultures.
m3141592 2 years ago
That depends on which concept, if you are referring to the cultural only then you are correct that is not innate, but our modern scientific concept has proven that a firm fit shape has over time evolve to become something attractive here's why: firm=fit/strong/healthy
which has by instinct come to symbolise survival though adaptation, under the same principal this is explanatory of the fact that birds already know migration routines from birth
johnnycagetheboss 2 years ago
Edit: Because of genetic memory!
johnnycagetheboss 2 years ago
Research venus of "willendorf" or "Dolni Vestonice" or "Lespugue" or "Laussal".
They are prehistoric pinups, and they'll all look overweight compared to our modern socially conditioned idea of beauty.
They have massive pendulous breasts, huge hips and buttocks, overhanging stomachs and rolls of fat everywhere.
In our natural state (before the media) men looked for mates who were the most unlike males or children.
Female gender attributes like big tits and bubble butts were the most prized.
m3141592 2 years ago
"Also what is attractive has been scientifically quantified to be at least mainly innate,"
The only attributes which are universally seen as attractive are symmetry, proportion and bone structure. For a woman large hips compared to waist, a small jaw and brow bone, small hands and feet etc. This is because they demonstrate good development, high levels of female hormones and sexual maturity.
m3141592 2 years ago
"this much excess fat is by nature unattractive. "
Because of the nature of our social conditioning, not because of our innate neurobiology.
"all mammals forms should closely relate to the chassis size and shape"
So elephant seals, manatees, hippos, eskimos and people from samoa aren't mammals then?
Saying that appreciating skinny girls is innate based on today's demographic is like saying driving a car is innate just because it's common in the modern world.
Innate doesn't mean that.
m3141592 2 years ago
"So elephant seals, manatees, hippos, Eskimos and people from Samoa aren't mammals then?" you actually used the example I thought you would, logical syllogism, your major premise is incorrect, all of the above examples have a large chassis! Fat humans do not, they have to much subcutaneous fat it's not the same equivalent. Also, are you attracted to hippos? They are not of our spices!
johnnycagetheboss 2 years ago
"all of the above examples have a large chassis! "
Except for elephant seals, manatees, eskimos and samoans.
Check the ratio between skeleton, muscle mass and and bodyfat for the examples. They're all much higher than average humans. Some of them by an order of magnitude.
You speak out of ignorance and refuse to check the evidence.
That is not how one arrives at the truth.
m3141592 2 years ago
That is not correct, you cant see that an elephants chassis skeletal structure is almost as large as the animal when it was living, where as if you took an obese human who died of heart disease they would have a much thinner skeleton in relation to the size that they once were when they were alive, it you who is ignorant for it is ignorance to assume that I'm conditioned, I'm not I'm using what science proven. also you made the assumption that "emaciated" was what I thought was right
johnnycagetheboss 2 years ago
"you cant see that an elephants chassis skeletal structure is almost as large as the animal when it was living,"
Elephant wasn't the example I used to demonstrate the incorrectness of your statement about all mammals tending towards leanness.
Elephant seal was.
If you're going to make illogical excuses for your prejudice and lack of objectivity, at least address them to what I actually said.
m3141592 2 years ago
Ah then I admit that I miss took the word, but that would not be illogical providing you said elephant, so I was not being illogical
johnnycagetheboss 2 years ago
So your disagreement was a result of not reading what I said properly?
For some reason I'm not greatly surprised by that.
m3141592 2 years ago
Then I'll refine that statement most mammals are lean in a land based environment. And I'll admit that I did make a generalization.
johnnycagetheboss 2 years ago
"most mammals are lean in a land based environment."
The further away from your original statement that gets, the more correct it becomes. Coincidence?
Besides, most mammals don't write poetry or do math either, but that doesn't mean you should generalize to human beings.
Anyway, the paleolithic venus figurines are irrefutable physical evidence that your main assertion about the most attractive bodyfat % was mistaken.
You have given no response to that, so I consider it settled.
m3141592 2 years ago
"most mammals are lean in a land based environment."
"The further away from your original statement that gets, the more correct it becomes. Coincidence?" Yes I'm sorry for the fact that I fucked up in generalising
johnnycagetheboss 2 years ago
mmm... We'd all be healthier if we were all fat, wouldn't we? Is that what you are trying to say ?? What was that about social conditioning... ?
tim10o0o0 2 years ago
"We'd all be healthier if we were all fat, wouldn't we? Is that what you are trying to say ??"
No, that's completely NOT what I was saying.
Not even close.
m3141592 2 years ago
Shape and subcutaneous fat are two different things, most tribal races are lean(lean does not mean skinny get it right) meaning most of the shape is composed of muscle!
"In the wild, those who are naturally thin would have a very low chance of survival." That is crap! Utter shite!
I'd love to see a fat woman run away from a tiger only to attempt to try and climb a tree and fail! since the most common threat in nature is a predator!
johnnycagetheboss 2 years ago
"That is crap! Utter shite!" (naturally thin=low survivability)
Evidence?
"I'd love to see a fat woman run away from a tiger only to attempt to try and climb a tree and fail!"
But they wouldn't be fat in their natural environment. They would be average. Those less efficient at converting (scarce) food into body mass would be dead.
"the most common threat in nature is a predator"
No, it's starvation.
You speak out of ignorance.
m3141592 2 years ago
In comparison to the actual meaning of innate (look it up), today's ideas of female beauty are frail and infantile.
This is partly a product of the super-abundance of material wealth we have today. This is evidenced by the fact that the perception of the perfect figure correlates directly to the economic climate; in recessions heavier women are seen as better, and in economic growth periods thinner women are seen as more attractive.
m3141592 2 years ago
It is also caused by the ubiquitous over-nutrition and attendant decrease in the age of puberty.
Natural humans would look for the youngest sexually mature mate available. But because in the modern world a girl can easily reach reproductive maturity before she is fully physiologically developed, our idea of beauty has been distorted to prefer a childlike (emaciated) appearance.
In the wild, those who are naturally thin would have a very low chance of survival.
m3141592 2 years ago
So you're really just giving rationalizations for your modern perspective and social conditioning.
There is no scientific basis for what you are saying, and your claim that there is demonstrates you don't really understand what objectivity and science are based on.
If attraction worked the way you describe, and the attributes you mention were really innate, the human race simply would not have survived.
m3141592 2 years ago
By default we want the healthiest parents for our children. But as humans, our superior intellect allows us to override instinct. So in poor society, big becomes attractive, from its association with wealth. Or in rich society, small becomes attractive as it rejects obesity - the main threat to the health in the west. We prefer athletic, low fat, but not skinny body shapes, evidenced by research that parents unanimously hope for this body shape for their children - because it is healthiest
tim10o0o0 2 years ago
"evidenced by research that parents unanimously hope for this body shape for their children - because it is healthiest "
What makes you think they want it because it's healthiest?
Especially since those deemed most attractive are generally below the healthy threshold of bodyfat.
It's social prejudice. Just like indians who want their children to have lighter skin.
What parents want is successful parents for their offspring, which in our society isn't necessarily the same as healthy.
m3141592 2 years ago
@m3141592 I dont see how it isnt healthy, SHE HAS CURVES, shes not a stick and it proves she isnt afraid of eating, shes fun to be around because she isnt constantly counting her calories, she fills up her clothes, and shes not overweight, she is healthy and natural.
MegaJazz98 11 months ago
There's only one way to look good naked;
smile.
m3141592 2 years ago 2
They can say i Love my fat body and look good over and over and over...The eyes dont lie. Fat is not good, no matter how its spun.
Brainwashing women in to believing such rubbish is actually a crime against their gender imho.
chompy410 2 years ago
"Brainwashing women in to believing such rubbish is actually a crime against their gender imho. "
And so is brain washing them to think starving to death is attractive.
"The eyes dont lie."
But the brain does. And what are the eyes connected to? That's right, now you're getting it.
m3141592 2 years ago
No one is brainwashing them in to not eating a balanced diet. Take it from me mate as a former five stone over weight excuse making fatty...It was all my own doing, I used to blame everything an deveryone else, I had an uneractive thyroid etc etc etc blah blah.
bottom line I stopped eating lard!
I have lived abroad many countries. Czech Republic for example. Why so few fat people there?...because its in the culture not to stuff your fat face. get it? go on make excuses and endorse fat actions.
chompy410 2 years ago
"No one is brainwashing them in to not eating a balanced diet"
So advertising doesn't work at all then?
That's weird. I wonder why it's a multi trillion dollar industry then.
"because its in the culture not to stuff your fat face."
So you agree that eating habits are a social construct then? Surely that contradicts your previous claim?
"go on make excuses and endorse fat actions. "
I didn't do anything of the sort.
m3141592 2 years ago 2
M3145blahhhh
I really cant stand arseholes on YT like you who try and pass themselves off as intellectuals.
Brainwashing-Advertising. Thats the point Dumbo..Advertising IS Brainwashing. YES IT WORKS!
Now, bring that ideology in to peoples daily lives and you can convince them of anything. Its called social engineering. Its rife in politics, religion, atheism, science, and of course you can convince people their lard like physique is actually beautiful. Bullshit.
BTW, YOUR BRAINWASHED!
chompy410 2 years ago
So you're not actually disagreeing with me then?
Which makes you one of those "arseholes on YT like you who try and pass themselves off as intellectuals."
Or do you just mean you couldn't be bothered to read what I was replying to?
You're confusing.
m3141592 2 years ago
ahhh gok used to be so cool, now he's turned into a giant poof!
yarrtiscrapulence 2 years ago
her friends aren't going to tell her she has a horrible body are they? This Gok fello needs to get real. He is too full on just self promoting.
goldraspberry 2 years ago
girls with low self esteem swallow
Jackcouldcanyou 2 years ago
Fat heeeefer,but would be ok for a soapy tit wank.
sako751SG 2 years ago
I'd fuck her hard and jizz would dribble down inside of her leg!
dtfageet 2 years ago
thumbs up for funnyness, thumbs down for weirdness lol
Jackcouldcanyou 2 years ago
Nice tits - Fat legs though
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Zouckubaz 2 years ago
i love gok wan.
imjustrandom13 2 years ago 4
i live in rotherham :D
but im not fat...
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tizbert 2 years ago
self improvement is masturbation
Self destruction is sex.
people only say nice things becuase she's right in front of them.
people car to much about the way they look
happyhappy85 2 years ago 2
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pissek 2 years ago
Read fightclub.
when my ex had low self esteem it was alot better now shes a slag lol
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dusey121 2 years ago
but then your not naked xD
LAWL!
good one.
AxelxDemy 2 years ago
LOL wtf? xDD
Katastrophiies 2 years ago
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Gok eats Cock all day!
mosalih1 2 years ago
So do you. Dont be jealous of Gok.
falkerhard 2 years ago
so does your whore of a mother that i would probably doggy while you watch!
mosalih1 2 years ago
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XenoAlex2222 2 years ago
rofl, who the fuck would be jealous of this faggot? I'd love to see him tortured and then stabbed to death.
Tilaron 2 years ago
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No suprise Britain has the fattest women in europe, they scoff themselves with chocolate and fish n chips.
darkstar3x16 2 years ago
yeah right americas woman weigh about as much as as the actual country they stuff them selves with mcdonalds and nacho's.
phsycotackler 2 years ago
you're right but you know I'm english not american so I'm not ofended ;D
darkstar3x16 2 years ago
What? Thats not true lol. Actually, it's Germany.
LittleMissScary14 2 years ago
No germany are no 2, and men in the uk are no 2
darkstar3x16 2 years ago
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shes a fat cow
LillyVallyBullshit 2 years ago
How to look good naked? Lose some f*cking weight! But seriously, I think what he does with these women is really great. It is more about the confidence than anything.
The only thing I disagree with is when they get a girl one who is obviously overweight and tell her she's not that bad. That's encouraging someone to be unhealthy. That's not the case with this woman mind you. But I've seen a few like that.
iMarc89 2 years ago
I agree with you so much, he's not actually helping them at all.
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sneaaens 2 years ago
Gok Loves Cok
StingzGeeh 2 years ago
Gok is an obsequious sycophant... ...but top marks to him for convincing all those birds to take their clothes off.
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KatalexconTV 2 years ago
gokwan is so kl
sheronerose88 2 years ago
how shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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3mmahXx 2 years ago
This comment is dedicated to the snivils (the comment below) quite frankly,
Gok is amazing so dont call his show shit as he is the fairy gok mother
BAMitsLUCYH 2 years ago
lol this is such a shit program
snivils 2 years ago
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i love Gok, he is cool! ! ! !
Samsung3231 2 years ago
if he has 'style' then I am glad I have not!!
victorkor 2 years ago 4
i h8 that freaking g0_y guy hes rich that y ppl dont say notting to him(spit on hes face)
redeaglealb 2 years ago
Actually he's worked pretty hard to get where he is; he used to be 21 stone if you can believe that, and he knows what its like to feel uncomfortable in your own body. He might be flamboyant and sometimes annoying but he has done wonders promoting self-confidence among people of every size and shape, so get some perspective on thing before you start mouthing off about it.
MagicalCarrot 2 years ago 3
well said!! people only take the piss out of others because they are insecure about ehmselves to begin with
tonightwefly 2 years ago
jealous
Polkastriipe 2 years ago
Oh Wow
He was in Rotherham
Yeah
0LittleMonster0 2 years ago
WOW WHAT A FAGGOT
habbospy1 2 years ago
like to see you earn as much money as he does you douche
oOoGH0SToOo 2 years ago
lol id rather not have money that look like him the big gay
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john11johng 2 years ago
yeah, the holy youtube blessed your life, john11johng.
dumbass, much?
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adwc2 2 years ago
PS my spelling is awful sorry:D
SMoldie 2 years ago
What is a post modernist feminist SMoldie?
CapitalistHolocaust 2 years ago
A lesbian with a degree.
JasonRadley 2 years ago
I'm sorry i know theres a whole big thing about like if she looks okay or not and for the record
curves like hers are good and it's great she can embrace them
but I hate fat cunts who can't be arsed to work it off
"OH I'M SO DEPRESSED I'M SO FAT I NEED CHOCOLATE TO FEEL BETTER...oh well surgery will sort it"
Yeah that SO works (Y)
but I'm still horrified that someone down there ACTUALLY put a comment saying nothing but
ZOMG....please dear god....shoot them.
Lexstasytm 2 years ago
Don't tell me empathy is your middle name. I Diagnose you were bullied at school or younger. Come on feel the love:D
SMoldie 2 years ago
SMoldie..(are you really Mouldy)
I don't need to embrace myself, my wife does it for me! I feel great about myself!
I'm confident and happy.
Why do self riteous dickheads, always assume others are insecure!! I'm fine thanks...worry about yourself. Don't try to fix that what is not broken.
This video is on youtube...so invites comment. If you don't like it then fuck off!
Go play with your self asteem and hug your own arse, and worry about your own insecurities.
fazzy65 2 years ago
Very surprised you're married.
You sir, are a twat. What are you, size zero? I don't care if you think she's fat or ugly, just don't go around saying things like that. Its people like you who have no regard for other peoples' feeling that cause this horrible dip in peoples' self confidence. If you have nothing nice to say, crawl into a hole and go on living your life with your perfect body behind closed doors.
MagicalCarrot 2 years ago
"You sir, are a twat"
Love it.
johnbumstacker 2 years ago
Well said!
CptFadeOut 2 years ago
MagicalCarrot....hahaha LOL! You seem quite happy to insult me! so you are obviously a hypocrit! I guess I could point your comments straight back at YOU!
If its on youtube it invites comment, so I commented. If you don't like it ...tough shit!
She obviously was not too worried about appearing on national TV for a few quid and getting her kit off!
Maybe you need to think before insulting.
You just make yourself look like an uneducated inbred retard!