@retrogamerist fuck you fucking atheist! your mother fucks and sucks cocks in trucks to get some bucks for buying rocks. may god have mercy on your soul...
Jesus called, he said he's sick of the disses, and this isn't a fuckin' hotline, for a fuckin' shrink, sheesh I already got mine, and he's not fuckin' workin, I think Im wasting my damn time - YONKERS. OFWGTA FTW
Communists aren't really Atheists. They still believe in God, but instead of calling him "Allah" or "Christ" they call him the "Dear Leader." And unlike Jesus and Muhammed, who are both dead (or, according to some Atheists, fictional), the Communists' Gods are still very much alive and continue threatening freedom. As Christopher Hitchens quipped...what religious fanatics want is a "celestial dictatorship, a sort of divine North Korea."
Have you ever read anything of marx or the early comunist at all ?
If you had you would know that neither Mao Lenin Stalin or Kim Young Il, were in any substantional way Communist or Marxist.
You dont seem to get there is a difference from what people call themself and what they are.
Its like christians and muslims, they are not,, they are just assholes that call themself christans and muslims so that they can get away with their selfrightious crap !
Yeah, I've read the Communist Manifesto, in which Marx calls for centralization of all industry and agriculture, and even of the means of communication and means of transport, in the hands of the state. Marx published a political newspaper, the Neue Rheinische Zeitung, in which he wrote "every political set-up following a revolution requires a dictatorship- and an energetic dictatorship at that".
True that he called for a dictatorship, but he predicted it as a part of the transission to a communist system, not as the goal, if you actually read it you should know that
They did not do what Marx wanted them to, Marx wanted them to relinquish power once material goods had come under control and the expected violence from former power structures had been subdued
None of these dictators did that, or even tried to, so calling them communist is just plain wrong.
Now, North Korea is nothing if not an "energetic dictatorship". And the main goals outlined in the Communist Manifesto- centralization of the means of production, communication and transport in the hands of the state- were all accomplished under Stalin and Mao, and have been accomplished just as thoroughly under Kim Jong Il. So to say that NK or the former USSR are not "in any substantial way Marxist" is folly.
Its not about "what people call themself" its about what they do once in power. and what the people who "call themself" Communists have done is *exactly* what Marx advocated in the Communist Manifesto.
And I agree that its what people do with the power that is importent.
This applys to all systems, like free marked dimbbulbs, who want to liberate the marked from all regulation, wich any 10 year old realize will result in the monopolization of wealth. From what can be concluded that they are not in favor of free markets but in favor (I would presume) of them ending up in the controlling part of the equation.
Nazism, autoritarian communism, Free market idology, Fasism, tea party
All the extreem political filosofies are inherrently flawedn at their very core, they all have political and economical points to make. But they are extreeme, and do not reflect the reality of what is needed for the states or their peoples to be able to function
Social and economic evidence acumulated over the last 300 years of history, should dispell any illusions about radical social/economic experiments.
The claim is: communism is atheistic, therefore atheism is evil. I hate seeing this claim refuted without pointing out that communist regimes commit atrocities because they are so much LIKE religions. With DOGMA, stubborn assertions that the party is INERRANT, the state is INFALLABLE. Sound familiar? Atheism does not result in atrocities. DOGMA and the religious mind-set result in atrocities.
I didn't even know there were people stupid enough to not know the difference. I mean these two things have practically nothing to do with each other.
What I don't understand is how anyone can say Atheists and communism are the same. OK so in recent so called communist countries Christianity has not been really big, but to say they are one in the same is childish to say the least. I mean Hitler defined himself as a christan and yet he was an evil dictator. So does that mean Christans are dictators. Well granted they do believe in a mass murder who threatens torture if you don't believe in him, then refuses to prove he exists. How silly is that
Duh the answer is in the question, Communism in the true form would be a community of people who all worked different tasks and shared the fruits of there labor with each other. Lead by a council but with almost absolute freedom of speech and religious beliefs. What we call communism today is all the wealth and power in the hands of a few, but that is a council lead dictatorship. Without the voice of the people it is not a commune.
@ThatGuysSockAccount Really? Karl Marx was inspired by Darwin? Was he, then? How, prae tell, did he manage that? Did he have a time machine? Was he psychic? Was he spying on young Darwin before he published the Origin of Species? Was Karl Marx omnipotent? Please,k do tell exactly how a book published in 1848 was inspired by a book published in 1859. I'm DYING to hear your explanation for that.
@dechha1981 umm, yes he was. His theory of history was based on evolution. He thought the capitalist society would evolve to a communist one. He died in 1883 and there have been a lot of versions of the communist manifesto. as i said das kapital was written in 1867. He was going to write a fourth book that was about his theory of history, he died before but he gave hints that it was based on evolution.
@dechha1981 A person can be inspired more than one time. Manifesto? All Marx's own. Das Kapital might have been inspired (I don't know). It's still of course ridiculous to link atheism or evolution to communism, however. Especially as Karl Marx was not himself a bad person. It's just that communism in practice leads to totalitarian societies.
So, in addition to slandering Darwin and atheism by trying to link them to communism, theists also insulting Marx by implying he was a Stalinist monster
Um...you do know the difference between Lamarck and Darwin? Karl Marx, Lenin and Mao were inspired by Lamarck NOT Darwin! That is why communism stresses the belief that you can create a better human by social engineering namely a Communist revolutionary engineering.
I would have to agree I mean I consider myself an agnostic bordering on the lines of atheism or deism but I'm a very conservative person. Most call me far right lol
Communism doesn't inhibit free speech.... Google commune de paris...... Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc are not good examples of communism at all.... and Cubans have the right to free speech, they chill out and play domino's and have a better health care system than America....
Cuba is the only GOOD representation of communism and even IT falls short of Marx's vision...
you dont really understand what tre communism is do you?... communism is pretty much the atheism of politics. in perfect communism there is no government. just as atheism is no religion. thats pretty much where the simularities end.
ps why do you block people in stead of letting them make there point. kinda a douche thing to do....
@risingfalls13 Because they claimed that Atheism and Communism were the same thing in the comments of a video bade by an Atheist who clearly hates Communism.
@BlkKatt13 There is matter of definition. The theory of communism was invented not Webster but Marx, and he definited it as classless society where everybody works and gets everything he needs, the society without state (army, police, judges, government). Who would fight for Webster's communism?
@risingfalls13 Stalin killed hundreds of thousands of church officials before he allowed prayer at the battle of Stalingrad. He only used religion to control his people he knew they would buy unquestioning into his bullshit. Go to China today they are communist, if you are christian they won't hunt you down and kill you they don't do that, however the suppress their people's freedoms and rights.
i'm non religious and i'm a capitalist at the same
most christians don't understand that communism is a political-economic ideology that has nothing to do with atheism, the reason why karl marx use atheism in his ideology so he can have no competitive domgas. karl marx is right about religion that harm people lives though, but wrong on political economics systems. geez religion and communism go well together, capitalism and secularism goes very well.
i'm non religious and i'm a capitalist at the same
most christians don't understand that communism is a political-economic ideology that has nothing to do with atheism, the reason why karl marx use atheism in his ideology so they can have no competitive domgas. karl marx is right about religion that harm people lives though, but wrong on political economics systems. geez religion and communism go well together, capitalism and secularism goes very well.
Not all communists are against free expressions, education and other sensible ideas. What you're referring to more specifically is Marxism-Leninism as practiced by practically every ostensibly communist regime on the planet. Even during the time of the Russian revolution many people including those central to the revolution (Trotsky and Luxemburg to name only two) foresaw the danger of putting absolute power in the hands of a few, just as the American revolutionaries did.
"Atheists in favor of free speech, communists not so much."
You're thinking of Leninists. After the collapse of USSR they are in the minority. Communists 2day pay > attention 2 Luxemburg who stressed the importance of democracy & free speech.
Anyone who thinks communism is all authoritarian and dictatorship should read Rosa Luxemburg's works. It is possible to have communism with a democracy & a great amount of political freedom and this is the issue she eventually broke with Lenin over.
In a real communist society (you use the Russian hammer and sickle so I assume you believe that Russia was a communist society, when in fact it wasn't) there WOULD be freedom of speech and expression. Artists and intellectuals would not be murdered by the government because the people would be in control of the government and not the other way around.
I agree with the other points -- namely that lack of a belief in gods has nothing to do with political beliefs.
@dechha1981 It's only a fallacy if it can't be logically supported. Do you know anything about debate or do you just Google the word "fallacy" and copy and paste whatever you find? Also, your ad hominem attack fails considering I am a capitalist, not a communist. I would actually recommend you read some of Marx's work if you're going to make videos about it because you're pretty ignorant on the subject.
I totally understand your logic in saying this is the No True Scotsman fallacy. However, if a person calls himself something, and doesn't live by the logic of that label, can we really say that person is that thing?
If a self-proclaimed Atheist kills someone, and we later find out that person believed in a god, would it be committing the NTS fallacy to say he wasn't a true Atheist?
By the way, I don't think Communism can ever create a good society. But the USSR weren't Commies.
I have to say the fact that you think that cause you have zero respect for someone really isn't a good way to start an argument. Not only have you now isolated those who this is meant to point out the difference you also come off as a tard of a kid who seems to think highly of himself in every aspect.
Also Communism says nothing about Free Speech, Religion, Intellectuals or any of that other stuff. That is the biggest mistake cause you did what you don't want others to do.
@Shydrow The very ironic thing is he is criticizing others of not understanding the difference between certain political and religious philosophies while proceeding to do the very exact same thing and show his complete lack of knowledge about what Marxism is.
you! my good sir... DID NOT READ THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO!!! atheists would NOT be the first to die if communism was established... and in a TRUE COMMUNISM there would be free speech. Russia is NOT communist, its a totalitarian dictator is disguise... we call that stalinism, or Leninism, not communism. theres a difference.
@dechha1981 um.... what does that have to do with ANYTHING? but let me rephrase myself, Russia was not MARXIST, there is a difference, i give you that. but im looking at your other comments and you seems to be a very angry person, Minnela asked an honest question and you were a dick to him/her. i know the answer, do you? apparently not, or else you would not have been a dick to both of us. do you need a hug? any i still dont get what the scotsman fallacy has to do with anything here...
@dechha1981 Actually He has a point though is wrong on some aspects. Russia was a Totalitarian Dictatorship just like China now is. But they did implement the economics of communism. But his main point is that they are not complete or what some call True Communism cause they lack a fundamental point of it which is the leadership is the people and they are to decide and vote on everything. Also only noobs block people. Real men argue till they notice they left the topic.
@Thedorpli Not to the retards that can't accept the fact that christ actually supported the ideas of true communism which have been put into actual use several times through history including the jamestown colony.
@Thedorpli It's true that communism in principle is not bad, but to my knowledge, there has been no country that has set up Marx's society. They just tend to fall into tyranny, like China and Russia. And that's the problem with communism. If it's not practical, and only leads to bad things, it's not a good idea, however well intentioned Marx was.
Like objectivism, it relies on an ideal world of perfect people for success. Without that? You get Joseph Stalin and Andrew Ryan.
Communism is atheism the same thing. In atheism simply do not have a clear concept of behavior and world view, except that - God does not exist. And since atheism can be red, green, blue, etc
Well technically all communists are atheists....they do not believe in a god as it is a tool used by the capitalist masters to keep people in their place. but just because your an but not all communists are atheists....
@lordofdarkdudes there is a reason why communist countries had dictators and one party behind them. the party is always right you know? thats what they think. if you say something different: gulag.
@6ch6ris6 i was mening the basic premis of comunism, thiere the goverment is ment to be ruled by the pepole. But snice every comunist country is ruled by and asshole thiere are never democrte, but i do think we should slowly start moving to a communist country. But not by doing by a reveltion.. that alwalys ledes to some thing bad
Now i'm not saying i don't believe in the whole monkey human thing alright? I just want to know... Are there monkeys walking around because they didn't achieve evolution yet or is it because that form of ape couldn't evolve further?
A serious question i've been thinking about for quite some time.
No it isn't, and no you haven't, NO ONE who knows the FIRST THING about Evolutionwould entertain such a question, and no one who knows ANYTHING about Science or Logic in general would think that anything has anything to do with "should".
Living things which reproduce with heredity and mutation are capable of evolution.
Humans and chimps share a common ancestor which from the evidence we have more closely resembles chimps than we do.
This suggests that the ecological nitch that our common ancestor inhabited and the one modern chimps inhabit are similar and that competing species nor changes in chimps to today have displaced the historic form.
Humans to live as we do today had to change in many ways from that form.
Yes, there is a diffrence between the two as obvious. But I have ZERO respect for people mix authoritarianism and communism. Communists DO NOT believe in lack of freedom of speech. Such a person is AUTHORITARIAN. A communist is an ECONOMIC ideology based on shared ownership, workers' rights and allocation of resources. An authoritarian and speech freedom along with others are LIBERTY or freedom of whatever, NOT ECONOMIC.
for me communism means atheism. I have read the manifesto. There is no religion. Religion is made by people who are slackers and do not want to work. Society is made and sustained by the proletarians and we must do away with this evil of religion!
@dechha1981 I think what nkaditya is saying is that you can be an atheist without being a communist, but you can't be a communist without being an atheist. Atheism is one of the important parts of communism, but certainly not the only part.
@dechha1981 I think you're confusing Communism and Socialism. Socialism is a general idea about making the world a better place. Communism is a very specific branch of socialism, as invented by Marx and Engels and refined by Lenin. Part of the Communist program is opposition to religion; part is redistribution of wealth; part is solidarity with "oppressed nations" (like African Americans, Jews in Czarist Russia, India before 1947, etc.); part is promoting revolution in Capitalist countries; etc.
@anschelsc Oh don't get me started on the No True Scotsman fallacy. I've made entire videos raging againt the No True scotsman fallacy and anyone who uses it.
@dechha1981 This isn't the no true Scotsman fallacy, because all the people you mentioned as so-called "religious communists" wouldn't have called themselves communists.
@dechha1981: While I *do* get the point you're making and I *don't* think you're confusing Communism and Socialism, I also don't see that Anschelsc was employing "no true Scotsman".
Communism and Socialism are ideologically the same, however a non-revolutionary Communist is properly described as a Socialist, e.g. one is militant, the other is not. So while it's true to say that Communism is a branch of Socialism, it's not accurate to assert that they're fundamentally different ideologies.
who the hell confuses atheism and communism, haha!
anyways, the communism to which your referring to i believe is Authoritarian communism, which is bullshit. But libertarian communism on the other hand is complete freedom, and free speech!
I can understand people confusing Anarchism and Atheism but not Communism and Atheism. I have to say your very well informed, yet slightly wrong about the fact that communists are against free speech. The idea of communism is that companies are owned equally by the workers not by individuals. So how could this system work without free speech?
I'm a communist and an Atheist, I also believe in free speech and free will so this video has some flaws however you put the point across that not all atheists are communists which is 100% correct.
I'm not sure you understand Communism all that well, but I still respect you, dechha :)
And you're right. One serves as a key component in another.
It's like mistakenly assuming an hour glass is the same thing as a pile of sand. Sand is a key component in an hour glass, but it is also comprised of many other components which allow it to function as an hour glass.
But its a mistake to remove the sand and assume you still have an hour glass, if you get my meaning.
WTF is THIS SHIT? ATHEISM IS A KNOWLEDGE FOLLWOING IDEALOGICAL, COMMUINSM IS A ECONOMIVAL AND CONTROLICAL IDEALOGY. WTF IS THIS SHIT Conservatives are religious and corporations loves profit and are allergic to technology so fuck this shit
To say that communism is the same as the Soviet Union is the same as saying that the Christianity is the same as the Church. To say that you're no Christian if you disagree with the Church. To say your not communist if you disagree with Lenin, Stalin, Mao or the state bureaucracy.
atheist don't necessarily believe in evolutionary theory. How do you equate the communist manifesto as being the first major work with a scientific theory that has nothing to do with religious ideals? Believing in evolutionary theory does not make you an atheist. Atheism is not lack of belief but rather disbelief.
One would think that the belief in fairy tales ( communist belief of a totally classless and egalitarian society and the religious myth of a big old jealous fart in the sky) would mesh well together.
Of course, atheists, theists and communists all tend to verge on the nonsensical, so why bother convincing these poor saps they are deluded in their views?
I think the reason some people get confused about this is because communism requires literal "atheism" -- but only so the state can set itself up as a cult religion.
@VyckRo Communism is a political ideology against Capitalism that adheres to atheism, largely because Communist were influence by Karl Marx's anti-theism. Atheism is simply the lack the of a belief in god(s). How can atheism support Communism when they are two separate set of beliefs? If Communism is atheism than why are most atheist pro-Capitalism and some theist anti-Capitalism?
@VyckRo Let me start by saying Communist Country is an oxymoron. There are no countries in Communism, Communist societies lack any state or means of opression. Yes, Communists do denounce religion. Are Athiesm and communism inter-changable words? No. This video has innacurate points, but the idea is correct, one is a lack of religioius belief, one is a way of life.
Bullshit. What about Carl Sagan? Or Bill Gates? Or Warren Buffet? Or Gene Rohdenberry? Bullshit. All named pacificists, 2 are multi-BILLION philantropists, and all enjoy and protect capitalist society. And, oh, they are something called TOLERANT, meaning they don't judge you based on what YOU do or do not believe.
@renegadeskinninja That's because atheists believe in Darwin's theory of evolution which is about successful reproduction wereas commies think they can create the super man with economic theory alone.
Ok well first your an idiot. Yes Atheism and Communism are different you got one thing right. But if you would not listen to American's who can't stand to lose their money or power you would know that there were no religious cleansing in Communist country its a lie. Communist believe in no state so clearly they believe in free speech. They also believe in education so you can help your socity
@Potts132 ""Communism is a stateless and classless society that is dictated by the proletariat."
USSR had a State and Class. Therefore not Communist. It was State Capitalist however."
Communism is were the STATE owns all means of production. Therefore if the STATE owns all means of production then necessarily there is a STATE. OK, USSR had two classes: Party member or dead.
"Nothing wrong with being Politically Correct."
Only when it interfers with the truth which is almost always.
@Potts132 The only difference between a socialist and a communist is a socialist believes the state owns the factory that made your toaster in your kitchen and a communist believes that the state owns the toaster as well.
Communism cannot have a government, if it does it is not Communism it is Socialism. And not all Socialism has a strong government, ex, Norway, Sweden, Britain, France, Switzerland.
Communism is rather quite a beautiful thing, the only problem is it is so easily manipulated.
madhammy09 4 months ago
I HAVE ZERRRRRO RESPECT FOR YOU..LMFAO
12XCMCX13 4 months ago
I did get the point... Yet i see many equal things between atheism and communism...
SovietLenin1 5 months ago
They abolished religious freedoms to gain power
retrogamerist 5 months ago
@retrogamerist fuck you fucking atheist! your mother fucks and sucks cocks in trucks to get some bucks for buying rocks. may god have mercy on your soul...
diekontrolleure 2 weeks ago
@diekontrolleure lol your intolerance is amazing ;) <3
Jesus called, he said he's sick of the disses, and this isn't a fuckin' hotline, for a fuckin' shrink, sheesh I already got mine, and he's not fuckin' workin, I think Im wasting my damn time - YONKERS. OFWGTA FTW
retrogamerist 2 weeks ago
I have ZEERRROOOO!!!!! respect for you.. lol
anonymous1trgb 6 months ago
I hope this was a joke
ZSNES1994 7 months ago
Communists aren't really Atheists. They still believe in God, but instead of calling him "Allah" or "Christ" they call him the "Dear Leader." And unlike Jesus and Muhammed, who are both dead (or, according to some Atheists, fictional), the Communists' Gods are still very much alive and continue threatening freedom. As Christopher Hitchens quipped...what religious fanatics want is a "celestial dictatorship, a sort of divine North Korea."
TheTollundWoman 7 months ago
@TheTollundWoman
Have you ever read anything of marx or the early comunist at all ?
If you had you would know that neither Mao Lenin Stalin or Kim Young Il, were in any substantional way Communist or Marxist.
You dont seem to get there is a difference from what people call themself and what they are.
Its like christians and muslims, they are not,, they are just assholes that call themself christans and muslims so that they can get away with their selfrightious crap !
dinomand 7 months ago
@dinomand
Yeah, I've read the Communist Manifesto, in which Marx calls for centralization of all industry and agriculture, and even of the means of communication and means of transport, in the hands of the state. Marx published a political newspaper, the Neue Rheinische Zeitung, in which he wrote "every political set-up following a revolution requires a dictatorship- and an energetic dictatorship at that".
TheTollundWoman 7 months ago
@TheTollundWoman
True that he called for a dictatorship, but he predicted it as a part of the transission to a communist system, not as the goal, if you actually read it you should know that
They did not do what Marx wanted them to, Marx wanted them to relinquish power once material goods had come under control and the expected violence from former power structures had been subdued
None of these dictators did that, or even tried to, so calling them communist is just plain wrong.
dinomand 7 months ago
@dinomand
Now, North Korea is nothing if not an "energetic dictatorship". And the main goals outlined in the Communist Manifesto- centralization of the means of production, communication and transport in the hands of the state- were all accomplished under Stalin and Mao, and have been accomplished just as thoroughly under Kim Jong Il. So to say that NK or the former USSR are not "in any substantial way Marxist" is folly.
TheTollundWoman 7 months ago
@dinomand
Its not about "what people call themself" its about what they do once in power. and what the people who "call themself" Communists have done is *exactly* what Marx advocated in the Communist Manifesto.
TheTollundWoman 7 months ago
@TheTollundWoman
And I agree that its what people do with the power that is importent.
This applys to all systems, like free marked dimbbulbs, who want to liberate the marked from all regulation, wich any 10 year old realize will result in the monopolization of wealth. From what can be concluded that they are not in favor of free markets but in favor (I would presume) of them ending up in the controlling part of the equation.
dinomand 7 months ago
@TheTollundWoman
Nazism, autoritarian communism, Free market idology, Fasism, tea party
All the extreem political filosofies are inherrently flawedn at their very core, they all have political and economical points to make. But they are extreeme, and do not reflect the reality of what is needed for the states or their peoples to be able to function
Social and economic evidence acumulated over the last 300 years of history, should dispell any illusions about radical social/economic experiments.
dinomand 7 months ago
"I have exactly ZERO respect for these people, ok, ZERO."
OMG, LOL.
ignoranttwat 8 months ago
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The claim is: communism is atheistic, therefore atheism is evil. I hate seeing this claim refuted without pointing out that communist regimes commit atrocities because they are so much LIKE religions. With DOGMA, stubborn assertions that the party is INERRANT, the state is INFALLABLE. Sound familiar? Atheism does not result in atrocities. DOGMA and the religious mind-set result in atrocities.
dymchurch1 8 months ago
Thank you for this, there are too many morons who use atheism=communism to promote religion. Religion should be banned in my opinion.
MrCombineFaces 8 months ago
zero0o...
DrSpooglemon 9 months ago
I didn't even know there were people stupid enough to not know the difference. I mean these two things have practically nothing to do with each other.
xenomann442 9 months ago
Would you force someone to live under a communist government if they didn’t want to?
manor1730 9 months ago
What I don't understand is how anyone can say Atheists and communism are the same. OK so in recent so called communist countries Christianity has not been really big, but to say they are one in the same is childish to say the least. I mean Hitler defined himself as a christan and yet he was an evil dictator. So does that mean Christans are dictators. Well granted they do believe in a mass murder who threatens torture if you don't believe in him, then refuses to prove he exists. How silly is that
robtay1963 9 months ago
Duh the answer is in the question, Communism in the true form would be a community of people who all worked different tasks and shared the fruits of there labor with each other. Lead by a council but with almost absolute freedom of speech and religious beliefs. What we call communism today is all the wealth and power in the hands of a few, but that is a council lead dictatorship. Without the voice of the people it is not a commune.
robtay1963 9 months ago
lol @ 0 respect for those people.
thatguyyoudontfeel 9 months ago
Karl Marx did not invent communism. Historically there have been many large
religious communes. Karl Marx is the founder of Marxism.
humansaretheworld 10 months ago
Karl Marx was inspired by Darwin. Das kapital came out in 1869 so yeah. But otherwise a good video i guess. Can't say i agree
ThatGuysSockAccount 10 months ago
@ThatGuysSockAccount Really? Karl Marx was inspired by Darwin? Was he, then? How, prae tell, did he manage that? Did he have a time machine? Was he psychic? Was he spying on young Darwin before he published the Origin of Species? Was Karl Marx omnipotent? Please,k do tell exactly how a book published in 1848 was inspired by a book published in 1859. I'm DYING to hear your explanation for that.
dechha1981 10 months ago
@dechha1981 umm, yes he was. His theory of history was based on evolution. He thought the capitalist society would evolve to a communist one. He died in 1883 and there have been a lot of versions of the communist manifesto. as i said das kapital was written in 1867. He was going to write a fourth book that was about his theory of history, he died before but he gave hints that it was based on evolution.
ThatGuysSockAccount 10 months ago
@ThatGuysSockAccount You still haven't told me how THE COMUNIST MANIFESTO could have been inspired by a SCIENCE book punblished11 years later.
I'm tired of you, I gave you a chance to either admit you're lying or prove that Karl Marx had a time machine. You're gone.
dechha1981 10 months ago 5
@dechha1981 A person can be inspired more than one time. Manifesto? All Marx's own. Das Kapital might have been inspired (I don't know). It's still of course ridiculous to link atheism or evolution to communism, however. Especially as Karl Marx was not himself a bad person. It's just that communism in practice leads to totalitarian societies.
So, in addition to slandering Darwin and atheism by trying to link them to communism, theists also insulting Marx by implying he was a Stalinist monster
Sines314 8 months ago
@ThatGuysSockAccount "Karl Marx was inspired by Darwin"
Um...you do know the difference between Lamarck and Darwin? Karl Marx, Lenin and Mao were inspired by Lamarck NOT Darwin! That is why communism stresses the belief that you can create a better human by social engineering namely a Communist revolutionary engineering.
mjh012363 9 months ago
I would have to agree I mean I consider myself an agnostic bordering on the lines of atheism or deism but I'm a very conservative person. Most call me far right lol
xtremejohnny69 11 months ago
Karl Marx: " Religion is the opium of the masses."
BillyT4evr 11 months ago
Time to get my troll on. Some idiots need a intellectual bitch slap to the brain.
Montops 1 year ago
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Communism doesn't inhibit free speech.... Google commune de paris...... Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc are not good examples of communism at all.... and Cubans have the right to free speech, they chill out and play domino's and have a better health care system than America....
Cuba is the only GOOD representation of communism and even IT falls short of Marx's vision...
masterthehate2 1 year ago
it's like too kids fighting over the same thing. grow up kids
762cat 1 year ago
He sounds like comic book guy! And he's contradicting himself towards the end of the video and making some wrong statements here and there.
TheRacistsMustDie 1 year ago
well communism can be free speech aswell
but i think u point the difference between religious beleifes and politics out very well^^
Lukassimos 1 year ago
you dont really understand what tre communism is do you?... communism is pretty much the atheism of politics. in perfect communism there is no government. just as atheism is no religion. thats pretty much where the simularities end.
ps why do you block people in stead of letting them make there point. kinda a douche thing to do....
risingfalls13 1 year ago 8
@risingfalls13 Because they claimed that Atheism and Communism were the same thing in the comments of a video bade by an Atheist who clearly hates Communism.
Speaking of which...
dechha1981 1 year ago
@risingfalls13
According to Webster:
Atheism is a disbelief in the existence of a deity.
Communism (capitalized) is a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production.
Government is the body of persons that constitutes the governing authority of a political unit or organization.
I don't understand why you're saying that Communism is the atheism of politics, or that it has no government.
BlkKatt13 1 year ago
@BlkKatt13 There is matter of definition. The theory of communism was invented not Webster but Marx, and he definited it as classless society where everybody works and gets everything he needs, the society without state (army, police, judges, government). Who would fight for Webster's communism?
tagaphon 1 year ago
@risingfalls13 Stalin killed hundreds of thousands of church officials before he allowed prayer at the battle of Stalingrad. He only used religion to control his people he knew they would buy unquestioning into his bullshit. Go to China today they are communist, if you are christian they won't hunt you down and kill you they don't do that, however the suppress their people's freedoms and rights.
tony38727 7 months ago
your voice is annoying
eliwoood1 1 year ago
@eliwoood1 So is your trolling.
Blocked.
dechha1981 1 year ago 2
i'm non religious and i'm a capitalist at the same
most christians don't understand that communism is a political-economic ideology that has nothing to do with atheism, the reason why karl marx use atheism in his ideology so he can have no competitive domgas. karl marx is right about religion that harm people lives though, but wrong on political economics systems. geez religion and communism go well together, capitalism and secularism goes very well.
americanliberal09 1 year ago
i'm non religious and i'm a capitalist at the same
most christians don't understand that communism is a political-economic ideology that has nothing to do with atheism, the reason why karl marx use atheism in his ideology so they can have no competitive domgas. karl marx is right about religion that harm people lives though, but wrong on political economics systems. geez religion and communism go well together, capitalism and secularism goes very well.
americanliberal09 1 year ago
Not all communists are against free expressions, education and other sensible ideas. What you're referring to more specifically is Marxism-Leninism as practiced by practically every ostensibly communist regime on the planet. Even during the time of the Russian revolution many people including those central to the revolution (Trotsky and Luxemburg to name only two) foresaw the danger of putting absolute power in the hands of a few, just as the American revolutionaries did.
WSWarthog 1 year ago
You need to read the communist manifesto before making a video like this.
PesiCool 1 year ago
"Atheists in favor of free speech, communists not so much."
You're thinking of Leninists. After the collapse of USSR they are in the minority. Communists 2day pay > attention 2 Luxemburg who stressed the importance of democracy & free speech.
Anyone who thinks communism is all authoritarian and dictatorship should read Rosa Luxemburg's works. It is possible to have communism with a democracy & a great amount of political freedom and this is the issue she eventually broke with Lenin over.
sicktoaster 1 year ago
In a real communist society (you use the Russian hammer and sickle so I assume you believe that Russia was a communist society, when in fact it wasn't) there WOULD be freedom of speech and expression. Artists and intellectuals would not be murdered by the government because the people would be in control of the government and not the other way around.
I agree with the other points -- namely that lack of a belief in gods has nothing to do with political beliefs.
ZomgThatWasCrazy 1 year ago
@ZomgThatWasCrazy
Will you commies STOP fucking useing the No True Scotsman fallacy? You're worse than Christians.
dechha1981 1 year ago
@dechha1981 Nice ad hominem attack but you fail hard because I'm a capitalist, not a communist.
ZomgThatWasCrazy 1 year ago
@dechha1981 It's only a fallacy if it can't be logically supported. Do you know anything about debate or do you just Google the word "fallacy" and copy and paste whatever you find? Also, your ad hominem attack fails considering I am a capitalist, not a communist. I would actually recommend you read some of Marx's work if you're going to make videos about it because you're pretty ignorant on the subject.
ZomgThatWasCrazy 1 year ago
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ZomgThatWasCrazy 1 year ago
@dechha1981
I totally understand your logic in saying this is the No True Scotsman fallacy. However, if a person calls himself something, and doesn't live by the logic of that label, can we really say that person is that thing?
If a self-proclaimed Atheist kills someone, and we later find out that person believed in a god, would it be committing the NTS fallacy to say he wasn't a true Atheist?
By the way, I don't think Communism can ever create a good society. But the USSR weren't Commies.
OdinCalls14 1 year ago
@OdinCalls14
That's it. I'm done even trying to reason with people who use the No True Scotsman Fallacy.
You're gone.
dechha1981 1 year ago
I have to say the fact that you think that cause you have zero respect for someone really isn't a good way to start an argument. Not only have you now isolated those who this is meant to point out the difference you also come off as a tard of a kid who seems to think highly of himself in every aspect.
Also Communism says nothing about Free Speech, Religion, Intellectuals or any of that other stuff. That is the biggest mistake cause you did what you don't want others to do.
Shydrow 1 year ago 9
@Shydrow The very ironic thing is he is criticizing others of not understanding the difference between certain political and religious philosophies while proceeding to do the very exact same thing and show his complete lack of knowledge about what Marxism is.
ZomgThatWasCrazy 1 year ago
you! my good sir... DID NOT READ THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO!!! atheists would NOT be the first to die if communism was established... and in a TRUE COMMUNISM there would be free speech. Russia is NOT communist, its a totalitarian dictator is disguise... we call that stalinism, or Leninism, not communism. theres a difference.
Thedorpli 1 year ago 19
@Thedorpli
If I have to explain ONE MORE TIME how much I loathe anyone who ever uses the no True Scotsman fallacy, I'm gonna start blocking people.
dechha1981 1 year ago
@dechha1981 um.... what does that have to do with ANYTHING? but let me rephrase myself, Russia was not MARXIST, there is a difference, i give you that. but im looking at your other comments and you seems to be a very angry person, Minnela asked an honest question and you were a dick to him/her. i know the answer, do you? apparently not, or else you would not have been a dick to both of us. do you need a hug? any i still dont get what the scotsman fallacy has to do with anything here...
Thedorpli 1 year ago
@Thedorpli I warned you.
dechha1981 1 year ago
@Thedorpli Wait, you're defending the guy who clearly knows NOTHING about Science and is obviously lying?
Fuck the both of you.
dechha1981 1 year ago
@dechha1981 and no you dick... to understnad what communism means you read the communist manifesto.... trust me... i have the book RIGHT NEXT TO ME
Thedorpli 1 year ago
@dechha1981 AND! as far as i can tell.... this is the first time you have explained this...
Thedorpli 1 year ago
@dechha1981 Actually He has a point though is wrong on some aspects. Russia was a Totalitarian Dictatorship just like China now is. But they did implement the economics of communism. But his main point is that they are not complete or what some call True Communism cause they lack a fundamental point of it which is the leadership is the people and they are to decide and vote on everything. Also only noobs block people. Real men argue till they notice they left the topic.
Shydrow 1 year ago
@Thedorpli Not to the retards that can't accept the fact that christ actually supported the ideas of true communism which have been put into actual use several times through history including the jamestown colony.
olstar18 1 year ago
@Thedorpli Is China a communist state or is anything that exposes communists as bad things not true about communism?
MiKeDpRoDuCtIoNs 1 year ago
@Thedorpli
Unless said atheists were also capitalists, or part of the bourgeoisie, or against Communism.
TheThordir 9 months ago
@Thedorpli It's true that communism in principle is not bad, but to my knowledge, there has been no country that has set up Marx's society. They just tend to fall into tyranny, like China and Russia. And that's the problem with communism. If it's not practical, and only leads to bad things, it's not a good idea, however well intentioned Marx was.
Like objectivism, it relies on an ideal world of perfect people for success. Without that? You get Joseph Stalin and Andrew Ryan.
Sines314 8 months ago
@Thedorpli And Germany never suffered from true Fascism.
MrGilles1990 6 months ago
Communism is atheism the same thing. In atheism simply do not have a clear concept of behavior and world view, except that - God does not exist. And since atheism can be red, green, blue, etc
0Russia0 1 year ago
Well technically all communists are atheists....they do not believe in a god as it is a tool used by the capitalist masters to keep people in their place. but just because your an but not all communists are atheists....
thebeardlessman 1 year ago
It's kinda depressing that this video is even needed...
vaguelyhumanoid 1 year ago
the comunist do want freespeach and such BUT every communist country has been ruled by a dictator
samme as a lot kapitalist countrys have been ruled by dictators
and btw
most communist countrys are athiest
lordofdarkdudes 1 year ago
@lordofdarkdudes there is a reason why communist countries had dictators and one party behind them. the party is always right you know? thats what they think. if you say something different: gulag.
and yes capitalism is bullshit, too.
6ch6ris6 1 year ago
@6ch6ris6 i was mening the basic premis of comunism, thiere the goverment is ment to be ruled by the pepole. But snice every comunist country is ruled by and asshole thiere are never democrte, but i do think we should slowly start moving to a communist country. But not by doing by a reveltion.. that alwalys ledes to some thing bad
lordofdarkdudes 1 year ago
I have 0 respect for you
trmble6 1 year ago
Now i'm not saying i don't believe in the whole monkey human thing alright? I just want to know... Are there monkeys walking around because they didn't achieve evolution yet or is it because that form of ape couldn't evolve further?
A serious question i've been thinking about for quite some time.
minnela 1 year ago
@minnela
No it isn't, and no you haven't, NO ONE who knows the FIRST THING about Evolutionwould entertain such a question, and no one who knows ANYTHING about Science or Logic in general would think that anything has anything to do with "should".
dechha1981 1 year ago
@dechha1981 maybe he doesn't know the basics and pointing out videos that tell it would have been more helpful.
Shydrow 1 year ago
@minnela wow go do your own homework dude the answers are out their but you must look lol
cjhmmp 1 year ago
@minnela
Living things which reproduce with heredity and mutation are capable of evolution.
Humans and chimps share a common ancestor which from the evidence we have more closely resembles chimps than we do.
This suggests that the ecological nitch that our common ancestor inhabited and the one modern chimps inhabit are similar and that competing species nor changes in chimps to today have displaced the historic form.
Humans to live as we do today had to change in many ways from that form.
ekpil2000 1 year ago
@minnela Because they are cousins of ours. We share a common ancestor
sweetmonkeylove1 1 year ago
Your voice is funny. :D
TheDutchGame 1 year ago
you're voice is funny :)
flosshatt14 1 year ago
Yes, there is a diffrence between the two as obvious. But I have ZERO respect for people mix authoritarianism and communism. Communists DO NOT believe in lack of freedom of speech. Such a person is AUTHORITARIAN. A communist is an ECONOMIC ideology based on shared ownership, workers' rights and allocation of resources. An authoritarian and speech freedom along with others are LIBERTY or freedom of whatever, NOT ECONOMIC.
prsrgov 1 year ago
@prsrgov This person is completely correct, I agree with you 100%, if only people could understand your point.
RUKORATVmicronation 1 year ago
People confusing Communism with Fascism is understandable after what happened in the 20th century but atheism? how dumb
ToothyGus 1 year ago
fucking theists were is your God Darwin was right and you know it
supermorshu 1 year ago
I COMMPLETTLYYY AGREE !
fuckkk alll these atheists !
kissmyblackass45 1 year ago
@kissmyblackass45
Fuckkk you too.
dechha1981 1 year ago
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU ! exactly what i wantted to hear thankks man !
& fuck all these atheists 00100 bitches
kissmyblackass45 1 year ago
@kissmyblackass45
"fuck all these atheists 00100 bitches "
Nice. I see that superior Christian morality is working well for you.
TheGodlessGuitarist 1 year ago
for me communism means atheism. I have read the manifesto. There is no religion. Religion is made by people who are slackers and do not want to work. Society is made and sustained by the proletarians and we must do away with this evil of religion!
nkaditya 1 year ago
@nkaditya I will NOT tolleratepeople making that mistake.
Leave this place at once.
dechha1981 1 year ago
@dechha1981 I think what nkaditya is saying is that you can be an atheist without being a communist, but you can't be a communist without being an atheist. Atheism is one of the important parts of communism, but certainly not the only part.
anschelsc 1 year ago
@anschelsc Jesus was a commie! The Mexican Revolution wer Commies! Hell, the guy who built Jamestown was a commie.
dechha1981 1 year ago
@dechha1981 I think you're confusing Communism and Socialism. Socialism is a general idea about making the world a better place. Communism is a very specific branch of socialism, as invented by Marx and Engels and refined by Lenin. Part of the Communist program is opposition to religion; part is redistribution of wealth; part is solidarity with "oppressed nations" (like African Americans, Jews in Czarist Russia, India before 1947, etc.); part is promoting revolution in Capitalist countries; etc.
anschelsc 1 year ago
@anschelsc Oh don't get me started on the No True Scotsman fallacy. I've made entire videos raging againt the No True scotsman fallacy and anyone who uses it.
dechha1981 1 year ago
@dechha1981 This isn't the no true Scotsman fallacy, because all the people you mentioned as so-called "religious communists" wouldn't have called themselves communists.
anschelsc 1 year ago
@anschelsc Must I repeat myself about5 No True Scotsman and how much I absolutely loathe those who use it?
dechha1981 1 year ago
@dechha1981: While I *do* get the point you're making and I *don't* think you're confusing Communism and Socialism, I also don't see that Anschelsc was employing "no true Scotsman".
Communism and Socialism are ideologically the same, however a non-revolutionary Communist is properly described as a Socialist, e.g. one is militant, the other is not. So while it's true to say that Communism is a branch of Socialism, it's not accurate to assert that they're fundamentally different ideologies.
JCLeSinge 1 year ago
@anschelsc socialism is when government owns an industry and communism is when governments own the capital. MEANING owning you. there ya go
dcderek24 1 year ago
who the hell confuses atheism and communism, haha!
anyways, the communism to which your referring to i believe is Authoritarian communism, which is bullshit. But libertarian communism on the other hand is complete freedom, and free speech!
146120 1 year ago
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moodymetalman 1 year ago
Talk about beating a dead horse. What a tard.
johnknoefler 1 year ago
I can understand people confusing Anarchism and Atheism but not Communism and Atheism. I have to say your very well informed, yet slightly wrong about the fact that communists are against free speech. The idea of communism is that companies are owned equally by the workers not by individuals. So how could this system work without free speech?
SerbianPR0 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
you stupid idiot^^
antifascistas68 1 year ago
You are pretty informed, but your voice really pisses me off
haha
=D
YassouDylan 1 year ago 2
@YassouDylan Well trolls piss me off, so we're even.
dechha1981 1 year ago
I am neither an athiest or a communist. Im am a christian and a conservative . And it will always be that way.
jakepb96 1 year ago
one thing though communists dislike religion and athiests dislike religion but i do mostly agree with what you said
mojoshow97 1 year ago
@mojoshow97 Mexican Revolution
dechha1981 1 year ago
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
minimouba123 1 year ago
Non-communist atheist here.
Zelda199 1 year ago
Even though I agree with the very base point, the presenter is a douche bag.
newcoyote 1 year ago
@newcoyote Douchebag beats Troll.
Get out.
dechha1981 1 year ago
I'm a communist and an Atheist, I also believe in free speech and free will so this video has some flaws however you put the point across that not all atheists are communists which is 100% correct.
euanrocks 1 year ago
lol what kind of people do you talk to man? there pretty dam stupid
LuisRC91 1 year ago
I'm not sure you understand Communism all that well, but I still respect you, dechha :)
And you're right. One serves as a key component in another.
It's like mistakenly assuming an hour glass is the same thing as a pile of sand. Sand is a key component in an hour glass, but it is also comprised of many other components which allow it to function as an hour glass.
But its a mistake to remove the sand and assume you still have an hour glass, if you get my meaning.
mistertakeda 1 year ago
I agree till 1.35
NeroroPuj 1 year ago
He´s so wrong about the communism, but probably right about atheism =)
abbeItheIman 1 year ago
2.22 that,s propoganda!
aunuscus 1 year ago
Lol dude get a life.
69Techno69pt 1 year ago
WTF is THIS SHIT? ATHEISM IS A KNOWLEDGE FOLLWOING IDEALOGICAL, COMMUINSM IS A ECONOMIVAL AND CONTROLICAL IDEALOGY. WTF IS THIS SHIT Conservatives are religious and corporations loves profit and are allergic to technology so fuck this shit
MagnitudePerson 1 year ago
Lmao, this video is awesome!
Mauser9513 1 year ago
To say that communism is the same as the Soviet Union is the same as saying that the Christianity is the same as the Church. To say that you're no Christian if you disagree with the Church. To say your not communist if you disagree with Lenin, Stalin, Mao or the state bureaucracy.
janerikkvalheim 1 year ago
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janerikkvalheim 1 year ago
atheist don't necessarily believe in evolutionary theory. How do you equate the communist manifesto as being the first major work with a scientific theory that has nothing to do with religious ideals? Believing in evolutionary theory does not make you an atheist. Atheism is not lack of belief but rather disbelief.
evilsoda00 1 year ago
One would think that the belief in fairy tales ( communist belief of a totally classless and egalitarian society and the religious myth of a big old jealous fart in the sky) would mesh well together.
Of course, atheists, theists and communists all tend to verge on the nonsensical, so why bother convincing these poor saps they are deluded in their views?
Ardane79 1 year ago
Anti-Semitism and Nazism aren't the same thing either. Curious, though, that most people still tend to relate one with the other.
Maybe contemplating the reasons for Nazi/anti-Semite relationship will help you to understand why the one you're complaining about is so prevalent.
DrCruel 1 year ago
2:12 - 2:16 ???
WTF?! Who are you to talk about Communism or whatever???
Did you ever read The Communist Manifesto? Where does say that Communism is against free-speech?
You are a fucking frustrated retard!!!
sker03 1 year ago
I think the reason some people get confused about this is because communism requires literal "atheism" -- but only so the state can set itself up as a cult religion.
IggyHazard 1 year ago
Go hold Kim Jong Il's little prick while he urinates....Go to North Korea and see if you like your communism.
KingsorPawn 1 year ago
Both are retarded....
KingsorPawn 1 year ago
not the same thing but both are the best choice.
diogotomediogo 1 year ago
lets see both hate creationism thats a similarity
mojoshow97 1 year ago
're really annoying! I lived in a communist country
Atheism = communism.
VyckRo 1 year ago
Communism is atheism
The US documentary is correct, I come from a ex-communist country!
2:50 for as in the communism the americans were stupid because they were Christians (in God we believe).
„Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism
yes and killed for this
VyckRo 1 year ago
@VyckRo I'm an Atheist and I'm not a commie. Fuck you liar.
dechha1981 1 year ago 3
@dechha1981 ah but all communist are atheist's
MrGilles1990 1 year ago
@MrGilles1990 Not all communists are athiests, many of the early communists were communists because of their religious beliefs
RedStarEquality 1 year ago
@RedStarEquality what religion?
MrGilles1990 1 year ago
@MrGilles1990 Tell that to MaoistRebelNews and you will get an ear full for sure!
mjh012363 6 months ago
@VyckRo Communism is a political ideology against Capitalism that adheres to atheism, largely because Communist were influence by Karl Marx's anti-theism. Atheism is simply the lack the of a belief in god(s). How can atheism support Communism when they are two separate set of beliefs? If Communism is atheism than why are most atheist pro-Capitalism and some theist anti-Capitalism?
HybridD91 1 year ago
@VyckRo Base ideas of communism a kin to those that athiest realize about the world once or while becoming an atheist.
Bolddom100 1 year ago
@Bolddom100 NO IT ISN'T YOU FUCKTARD.
dechha1981 1 year ago
@dechha1981 You make an excellent.
I didn't say they were the same or even similar just that I as an athiest see many benifits and good ideas in communism.
I'm not offended by: comie! or socilist! because I understand that they both have good ideas that we(America can use and are using to some degree)
Bolddom100 1 year ago
@VyckRo Let me start by saying Communist Country is an oxymoron. There are no countries in Communism, Communist societies lack any state or means of opression. Yes, Communists do denounce religion. Are Athiesm and communism inter-changable words? No. This video has innacurate points, but the idea is correct, one is a lack of religioius belief, one is a way of life.
Mauser9513 1 year ago
@VyckRo dechha1981 said something REALLY SRTUPID TO YOU, LETS HACK HIS ACCOUNT THAT PIGFACE!!!!!!!!!!
MagnitudePerson 1 year ago
@VyckRo
Go to China. A communist country...where you can practice religion. So...bullshit.
@Bolddom100
Bullshit. What about Carl Sagan? Or Bill Gates? Or Warren Buffet? Or Gene Rohdenberry? Bullshit. All named pacificists, 2 are multi-BILLION philantropists, and all enjoy and protect capitalist society. And, oh, they are something called TOLERANT, meaning they don't judge you based on what YOU do or do not believe.
tskasa1 1 year ago
@VyckRo
Christians are socialist. Bitch.
TommyBloxxer 1 year ago
You sound like Moe. Fine video.
pobanmanu 1 year ago
Atheism gets boobs and Communism gets a guy in tights.hows that fair?
renegadeskinninja 1 year ago
@renegadeskinninja That's because atheists believe in Darwin's theory of evolution which is about successful reproduction wereas commies think they can create the super man with economic theory alone.
mjh012363 6 months ago
Ok well first your an idiot. Yes Atheism and Communism are different you got one thing right. But if you would not listen to American's who can't stand to lose their money or power you would know that there were no religious cleansing in Communist country its a lie. Communist believe in no state so clearly they believe in free speech. They also believe in education so you can help your socity
Potts132 1 year ago
@Potts132 "Communist believe in no state so clearly they believe in free speech."
Tell that to Sakharov.
"They also believe in education so you can help your socity"
Only if it's PC.
mjh012363 6 months ago
@mjh012363 USSR was not Communist so don't even try that.
Define PC
Potts132 6 months ago
@Potts132 "USSR was not Communist so don't even try that."
Except that it was.
"Define PC"
Er.. Politically Correct.
mjh012363 6 months ago
@mjh012363
"Communism is a stateless and classless society that is dictated by the proletariat."
USSR had a State and Class. Therefore not Communist. It was State Capitalist however.
Nothing wrong with being Politically Correct
Potts132 6 months ago
@Potts132 ""Communism is a stateless and classless society that is dictated by the proletariat."
USSR had a State and Class. Therefore not Communist. It was State Capitalist however."
Communism is were the STATE owns all means of production. Therefore if the STATE owns all means of production then necessarily there is a STATE. OK, USSR had two classes: Party member or dead.
"Nothing wrong with being Politically Correct."
Only when it interfers with the truth which is almost always.
mjh012363 6 months ago
@mjh012363 You sire are thinking of Authoritarian Socialism which is not Communism, all Communists are Socialist, not all Socialists are Communists.
Not really
Potts132 6 months ago
@Potts132 The only difference between a socialist and a communist is a socialist believes the state owns the factory that made your toaster in your kitchen and a communist believes that the state owns the toaster as well.
mjh012363 6 months ago
@mjh012363 America did a number on you.
Communism cannot have a government, if it does it is not Communism it is Socialism. And not all Socialism has a strong government, ex, Norway, Sweden, Britain, France, Switzerland.
Potts132 6 months ago
@Potts132 Whatever Mr "No true Scotsman is a real Commie." (*rolling my eyes*)