Oh, you mean the same god who is against rational thinking entirely? The same god who supposedly inspired a book that is in error scientifically, morally and historically? That god who commands us not to murder but would turn around and would frequently command genocide and commit genocide and murder depending on his mood or if you so happened to be unlucky enough to live in "the promised land" before the Hebrews decided to move in? You're right. He's such a rational being.
You do realize that Exodus is completely inaccurate right? The Egyptians never held an entire race/civilization in slavery, though they did hold slaves as was customary of the times. All of their monuments were built by paid, Egyptian workers who were also given housing, food and medical care in case of injury. Judaism, the foundation of Christianity, is heavily influenced by Mesopotamian religions. I recommend you read A History of God by Karen Armstrong.
@Larkinized2010 Well, we believe what Scriptures revealed about slavery in Egypt: "7And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows; " YHWH said:" Israel is my only begotten son, therefore, let my son go or I will strike you,your officials and all your cattles down." You still think YHWH should have done nothing about slavery in Egypt where the hebrews were forced to mud fr K
This is an outdated explanation for a narrow view of religions(gods). Origins of religion are tied to mental processing and developing understanding for complex phenomena to which humans are exposed (meaning everything).the way the brain infers from perception(makes assumptions)with this information then uses reason and accumulated knowledge helping to rectify the objectivity or relative validity of human comprehension. Most recent on this,Religion Explained:Evolutionary Origins by Pascal Boyer
@Airlightf what are you referring to when you say outside world? the description helps to offer an explanation as to how the brain creates a mental image of what we perceive to be reality. as to ultimate truth beyond our senses we don't have the capacities to even discuss this by any meaningful interpretation. do you have a point or just inquiring?
@Airlightf but how do you know it's not reality? that's exactly why i said its meaningless to speculate or discuss the possibilities of absolute reality or absolute truth. I'm not denying possibilities of 'outside reality'. just as there could be endless possibilities beyond that,what you just said is what i said earlier, but without the assumption.
@Airlightf Our perception differs from animals, but not the reality because we understand their sensory tools and how they perceive the material world, we are much more sophisticated and able to replicate there sensory organs (radar, inferred, computer sensors) we simple lack some tools biologically, but understand how they work in nature, to suggest they perceive a different reality as opposed to a different perception of the same reality is to again make the assumption against the evidence.
@Airlightf your talking about comparing perceptions not reality. we have science to objectively verify our subjective interpretations of our perceptions. this as i said will only get more complicated and eventually meaningless, no way we will get to the bottom of anything without going through the science extensively to even offer a basic understanding of what were talking about here. So again i end asking if you have a larger point besides the speculation of understanding reality.
@architect333 "your talking about comparing perceptions not reality.." I am also comparing their reality with ours. It's true, we pretty much undestand how they sensor the out side world. But their reality is not our reality because they do not see ours. "Our perception differs from animals, but not the reality because we understand their sensory tools and how they perceive "
@Airlightf then what reality do they see if not ours? they navigate our world, are made of the same atoms, see and interact within this reality. we even understand the entire biological and physical existence from evolution to death, your comparing one reality(universe) with another reality?(speculative) unless you assume different realities can be connected through our perceptions, there's no scientific evidence of this. again, could be possible but to know it and prove it, is another thing.
@Airlightf they simple lack the mental and physical capacities and therefor ability to do so, this does not alter reality anymore then a blind man see's another reality or existence.
@architect333 So they lack those tools, therefore, I am right. I blind man, "a blind man see's another reality..." how can you say "see's" if they blind men cannot see?
@Airlightf ask yourself what are you right about? a blind man uses other sensory tools to "see" (or perceive) the same reality we all find ourselves in. your wrong with that assumption and you don't make a point for seeing separate realities.
@Airlightf "You said absolute truth is impossible to obtain" you obviously ignored my previous comment or cant contemplate the difference between my position which is possible and a impossible position which you accuse me of. The distinction is we have allot of work to do in order to obtain this understanding where as you simply think you already know absolute truth. I'm afraid you incompetence of defending your own position is showing by attempting to change my position.
@architect333 I am not an atheist; I know what I am saying. Earlier you said, " be reality. as to ultimate truth beyond our senses we don't have the capacities to even discuss this by any meaningful interpretation" Then you also showed doubts about acquiring
truth/ultimate reality; doubts counte as a no not a yes. If you notice, I am not my mind or body, therefore, my five senses are not me. Again, I know my position n this matter.
As for knowing anything, how do we know our perception is not reality, or differs from animals without the science giving you this understanding using our 'personal' perception of understanding, in other words how do you know what you think you know without science, presuming science can help us understand absolute truth. so It's best to leave it open for possibilities to be honest with yourself or anybody else. Cause we both know, all we know is that we know nothing! - Socrates
@Airlightf we are conscious, this tells us that we are aware of our surroundings, your not even sure if what you perceive is reality, and you learn this by forming a mental image of the world far from correctly understood. Is it possible to understand absolute reality from limited sensory perception or mental faculties? possibly but your the one who wont stop at possibilities, instead you assume you know certain things before they are even understood.
@Larkinized2010 with goggle type ''book title' wiki', you should get the basic synopsis. i was looking for a preview and found a brief explanations of the chapters in an educational pdf file. that should give you an idea what's to learn. again in goggle type 'religion explained preview pdf' look for Ip address starting with nhoj.info
@Airlightf this comment was not for you, it was a response to Larkinized2010. As to having the spirit of god, and bibles, good for you! All i can say to that is don't ignore the rest of the world and what it has to offer.
If thoughts are invisible, then atheists will deny their existence. Just like the way they deny the existence of a man standing behind closed doors because they cannot see him.
But I think that you should really begin to study your religious convictions. I can offer you two great websites that will provide you with a vast array of information concerning science and such. I would also like for you to watch the "Why I Am No Longer a Christian" series by evid3nc3 on youtube. Do not worry, he is like me. An atheist, but not one who ridicules the beliefs of others and believes in intellectual honesty above all else. There are also many books you could read.
I have recently begun my layman's study of neuroscience so I cannot answer that question right now. But I have the feeling you are a very inquisitive person and truly want to know about the world around you. But sadly, your mind has been tainted through an ideology that forces you to disregard any evidence that contradicts your holy text. I no long wish to continue this conversation on this video for I have to edit all I have to say. Feel free to PM me if you would like to continue.
@Larkinized2010 It's not only Scriptures, it is actually this REALITY we see all around us. EVERYTHING that we see here, Where did it come from? And please don't mention the Big Pop Corn that bear everything our senses perceive today. Ok I will PM you
You clearly are ignorant to what the Big Bang actually states. The simplest way I can put it is that billions of years ago everything in the universe was at a central point and then rapidly expanded. There is evidence to support this theory as well.
I feel I must add that neither evolution nor the big bang deal with the ORIGIN of life/the universe. They simply explain everything that occurred after whatever phenomena caused life/the universe to "begin", in the loosest definition.
@Larkinized2010 -If in our time,men who defy the Laws of Physics do exist, What makes you think that in ancient times such a man like Jesus could have not existed ?
Actually, I, an atheist, am well-versed in science, theology and history, which is more than I can say for whatever holy text fits into your specific ideology.
There is little evidence, that I have come across, for the existence of your Jesus Christ. Outside of the four gospels. But these were not written by the actual 12 disciples as is so commonly believed. The first gospel wasn't even written until around 65-70 years AFTER the supposed crucifixion. However, the gospels are hardly historical documents.
(continued) In fact, they cannot agree on when Jesus was born, how long it took him to die on the cross, they do not all reference the virgin birth, etc. Essentially, they do not agree on the most important events in the Jesus story.
I cannot say for certainty either way simply due to a lack of evidence. Since disbelief is the logical default position, I lack a belief in Jesus. But I do not think I am in error in saying that the Jesus of the gospels cannot have existed due to the fact that what he is said to have done completely violates the laws of nature and that the gospels contradict one another. However, could a teacher named Jesus have existed? Possibly. Just like Socrates.
@Larkinized2010 you see what I am saying(my confusion)? The same kind of help you (an atheist) offered me, will be the same I will be given by a believer. We live in total darkness and confussion--this is the reality--because we presume to know BUT we do not really know "for certainty". The "logical" default position doesn't prove you what really exist in reality, or that you are in the right track.
@Airlightf But you're wrong. Theists say they know things with certainty. Atheists are honest enough to admit that they don't have all of the answers but are always searching for the answers but there must be empirical evidence to justify any claims made. Theists do not require evidence, only faith and a holy book. Atheists require evidence to believe something or make any sort of assertion.
@Larkinized2010 Why do you speak like a moron?: "Theists do not require evidence, only faith and a holy book" God's Evidence is everywhere in our Universe. Faith is Trusting God not man. Our Laws says: Cursed is he who puts his trust in man :D Therefore, we Trust God not man--five senses.
I speak rather intelligently actually. However, let us not digress. You are using the self-evident argument. But there is a vast error in your reasoning. If your particular god is proven throughout the universe, how is it that we can explain almost every natural phenomena without a god being essential to the explanation? If Yahweh does exist, then he has done a haphazard job with providing evidence for his existence.
@Larkinized2010 "how is it that we can explain almost every natural phenomena without a god being essential to the explanation?" LOL HAHAHAH You cannot explain me without (reasoning)mentioning God :D Silly
Actually I can explain how you exist using biology. I do not require a god to explain a sperm fertilizing an egg and thus beginning the slow formation of what will be a human infant and that after roughly 9 months you were either pushed through your mother's birth canal or your mother had a c-section. Nowhere is god necessary to the explanation therefore he is not present in the explanation, for Occam's razor states that the solution with the fewest presumptions is the correct one.
@Larkinized2010 What will biology teach you about me? that it knows Who I am? or that it knows why I came into existence? No god is necessary for the explanation of life? Biology only sees the surface of this issue--human life--it only scratches my skin
@Larkinized2010 The problem with is that I am not really my mind or my body. If I were my DNA/body/mind, I would agree with them in everything BUT this is not what happens in reality. (I am going to bed now Good night
You are DNA, body, mind. This is reality. These are the facts. This will not change no matter how hard you wish them different or close your eyes to them. I am truly sorry that an inquisitive mind has been tainted and you will not accept modern science that contradicts your bronze age ideology.
@Larkinized2010 But we do not know what the mind is. And since we do not know what it is, we cannot say much about it. I've studied my own mind--my self--and body hence my conclusion about each one of them.
Please, never use the "god of the gaps fallacy". Simply because we cannot explain/understand something currently does not mean we can stop study and experimentation and say "God did it!". This not only castrates the scientific method but it is a completely erroneous thing to say. We used to think gods caused earthquakes but now we know that they are a result of shifting tectonic plates. The list goes on and on.
Good use of circular reasoning though. But your trust god not man statement is exactly what I mean by faith. You believe in a being without any evidence for justification. "Our Laws", ie the Bible aka a holy text. You have not rebutted my argument, but have only reiterated my previous statement.
Belief in no way validates an ideology. Same goes for martyrdom. I can believe/die for any nonsense that suits my fancy. This is not evidence. Try again.
I have evidence to support my lack of belief. You have yet to provide and evidence to support the assertion that the Christian god exists. Look into Chromosome #2. This piece of evidence conclusively proves that evolution is valid. Look into The Blind Watchmake by Richard Dawkins. I ask that you begin intensive research about your ideology. For I was once a Christian, but through intense study and thought, there is no longer a reason for me to believe in a god, of any kind.
But millions of people do not perpetuate the notion that Socrates performed miracles and other such nonsense and is the only path to salvation. Therefore his historicity is essentially irrelevant to the ideas his name is associated with (the Socratic method). This same line of reasoning would apply to Jesus but the fact that he is perpetuated to be the Son of God makes his historicity completely relevant.
@Larkinized2010 Now,"disbelief is the logical default position" HAHAHAHA LOL HAHAHAH A position I would not hold, nor a thinking person because disbelief doesn't prove the nonexistence of God or else. It doesn't refute peoples' beliefs based on facts ,experiences, and long historical evidence that somewhere in the past a Creator started Life-which bear witness of His incomprehensible power and wisdom.
There is no evidence for or against unicorns, the Greek gods, or any other mystical entities created by primitive human beings, but yet we hold no such belief in them because we have no reason to. I fail to see you point. Actually I could easily refute your Christianity. It's been many times through out history. The first being a certain quote from Epicurus, around 33 BCE.
Now, you must not understand what "disbelief being the default position means" so I'll explain it to you. Let's say I told you I achieved human flight without the aid of machines. You would not believe me and would then ask me to prove it. If I cannot offer conclusive evidence for my ability to fly, you will then continue to not believe me, no matter how much I scream and shout, until such evidence is brought forth. The same goes with any claim.
@Larkinized2010 The point here is that atheists limit themeselves to what their eyes can see. So if some one stands behind a closed door, and an atheist cannot see that person directly, he/she will deny his/her existence.
The natural world is the only thing we can test and study. If your god truly existed there would be evidence for its existence. The only "gaps" your god has left is the origin of the universe/life but there are hypotheses for both that are being extensively tested and studied. Regardless, there has yet to be an argument or a piece of evidence that conclusively proves your assertion that a god/your particular god, Yahweh, exists.
@Larkinized2010 LOL Ah, how do you know my -I have a "god" if I have not mentioned any "god" at all? You see why I say Atheists cannot do crap about my confusion and doubts? Unless you understand The Mind of God, you will never understand me. BTW, what kind of evidence you want to see? A human god or a god of stone--one that you can test and study? LOL HAHAHAAHAHAHH omg, Atheists, please
We "limit" ourselves to the physical world, ie the entirety of the universe, because that is the only realm we can study, test and observe. It is the only place where we are able to make any sort of assertion based on empirical evidence. Anything metaphysical is circumstantial and mere speculation at best.
Neuroscience. But the brain has proven to be quite a fascinating area of study. We are able to see areas of the brain light up when, in essence, you have a thought. But we still know very little about it, sadly.
@Larkinized2010 "Now, you must not understand what "disbelief being the default position means" so I'll explain it to you. " I wonder when will God open your eyes or prove to you He does Exist
Now, as an atheist, I am not saying a general deity is outside the scope of probability. I am saying that there is no evidence/argument that gives me a reason to believe in one. The only gods I deny are the gods of religion. For the God of Christianity/Judaism, for example, does not exist. I can prove this with a scientific argument, historical argument and moral argument. Easily, I might add.
@Larkinized2010 "For the God of Christianity/Judaism, for example, does not exist" LOL This is the funniest joke I've ever heard. HAHAHAHAHH. So just because you are an atheist I MUST believe in you--your word? You are lying, science cannot disprove the historical Jesus. How will you disprove Jesus' morality? You will have to deny that romans, Jews, and muslims ever existed more than 2000 years ago. LOL But go ahead and disprove every thing that is bothering you
I can disprove those particular gods, not the people for there is substantial evidence for the existence of ancient cultures. Science has disproved the Genesis story. Therefore, there was no "original sin", Therefore, there was no reason for Jesus to be crucified as a sacrifice for our sins. Jesus preached many immoral things along side his moral teachings. So Jesus is no source of absolute morality, just like his capricious, masochistic, racist, homophobic, genocidal father.
@Larkinized2010 "there was no reason for Jesus to be crucified as a sacrifice for our sins" This reminds the words of satan through one of Jesus' dciples telling him not to go the cross. Why don't you go to church? I am late for church BRB
Good use of quote mining. I said " Science has disproved the Genesis story. Therefore, there was no "original sin", Therefore, there was no reason for Jesus to be crucified as a sacrifice for our sins". Do a little better next time.
@Larkinized2010 "Science has disproved the Genesis story." In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth..." How did science "disprove" that single verse ? -Jesus was a Good man. You are talking like this because you don't know him.
Evolution and the big bang have falsified the idiotic notion that some entity created the entirety of the universe from absolutely nothing, which is EXACTLY what the Genesis story states. I know Jesus very well, if by "know him", you mean having studied the gospels since you cannot "know" a person who we cannot say for certain existed nor can you know a person, who if he did exist, has been dead for over 2,000 years. I agree that SOME of what he taught was very moral.
@Larkinized2010 Evolution(Human Christmas Tree) and the Big Pop Corn trashed my god? "absolutely nothing" Yes I believe you! you/we know absolutely nothing about the creation of the Universe. We only fantasise about those things and make theories using our tools and a little bit of imagination. Jesus: the words that some one speaks tell a lot about that person. That's why we say we know Jesus because of his incomparable wisdom. Thank you for continuing talking to me. I also wanted to ask you
I will concede that the origin of life/universe is still an unknown. However, abiogenesis and the mutliverse hypotheses are currently being tested and studied. However, evolution is hardly open to debate since creationism is hardly a credible theory and to say it is shows a massive argument from ignorance. The amount of evidence that supports it is mind boggling. I have yet to see someone argue over other credible theories, ie atomic theory. So I will not do so with evolution.
How insulting since I haven't insulted you in any way. I have presented my case as best I could without being able to cite my sources and really go into detail. I have yet to make an argument from ignorance but you have made it painfully obvious how ignorant you are of science, history and theology.
@Larkinized2010 O, come on! You insulted God and mocked billions of people because of their beliefs. I am not a scientist but I know their theories and facts about our natural world. But like I said, I trust in GOD not in mere mortals.
Correction: I am addressing what YOU believe. I "insulted God"? You're right. I did call him a capricious, masochistic, homophobic, racist, genocidal, bullying, murderer. And if you really read the Old Testament, these adjectives don't even BEGIN to describe Yahweh's immorality. You have yet to show you have a real knowledge of science in the entirety of our discourse, or that you even have a basic understanding of its theories.
Repetition does not strengthen your incredibly weak argument. But debates with theists usually come to this point where I have rebutted them and they no longer have an argument to make, so they resort to baseless rhetoric and reiteration of statements already made. It's incredibly dull. You arrogantly claim to know the character of a supernatural entity that we have no proof even exists. And when I have asked for any evidence beyond your holy book, you feed me nonsense.
@Larkinized2010 What that means is that your personal opinion is not valid. "But debates with theists usually come to this point where I have rebutted them " HAHAHAHAHAH but HOW? with the pop corn model? With the Evolution Christmas Tree? LOL With your ignorance concerning the mind and its Nature? O, you did answer my three most important question: Why am I here? Who am I? What is this world? LOL -I am evidence of God's Existence.
You being here is in no way evidence of a divine creator. Sadly, I am not well-versed in the argument that architect333 is making. Quite well from what I can tell though. You, on the other hand, have shown a complete ignorance of any scientific theories, your own ideology and your own holy text. You reiterate your ignorance and dare think it makes your argument valid when you can hardly show ANY evidence that makes your belief credible.
@Larkinized2010 Yes, architect333 is a good guy. I do not need "theories"The Christmas Evolution Tree or the Big Pop Corn (wich was heated by who knows) or chance/ randomness or billions/millions[=the God of gaps] of years--to explain my existence or that God is Real. In addition, you have not proved to me that know what you are talking about.
@Larkinized2010 "Simply because...we can stop study and experimentation and say "God did it."' O, it's better to say The Big Pop Corn Did it, right? and the God Chance? Also, the Natural Selection God caused it? The hands of the God Evolution did it? randomess god? But how if all this gods came after EVERYTHING had emerged, How could they possibly have "caused" anything? What you all don't, don’t understand is that God doesn't stop any one from continuing investigating the natural world.
@Airlightf "it's better to say The Big Pop Corn Did it, right?...The hands of the God Evolution did it? randomess god? " Gods are SUPERNATURAL entities, not natural beings. Also, theistic gods are worshiped by their followers. No atheist worships the theories of science. But you fail to understand that evolution/big bang do not comment on the origins of the universe/life, but simply on what occurred after these two events happened. You continue to approve the assertion you quoted here.
@Larkinized2010 And apparently you don't need fact either. Just your precious book and faith. Thank you for, once again, solidifying my perception of theists.
@Airlightf If Christianity is your chosen faith and you are content to live within the scope it allows, then live your life in the happiest way possible. I will read the book you have suggested whenever I can come across a copy. It is my hope that you will open your mind and not blindly follow what ANYONE (me, peers, parents, pastors, etc) without checking into it for yourself if it is true. Don't be so quick to write things off but approach EVERYTHING with some degree of initial skepticism.
@Larkinized2010 I REALITY I do not follow any one but what GOD has put into my heart. GOD is not a religion or a book. God made these things, ergo, these thingswill not make GOD. Also, I myself get into heated debate with people of all faiths. but thank you, I like to listen to people who are sincere in what they perceive to be true.
@Airlightf But I can no longer continue this discussion. My job is giving me 40+ hours and I have to get things ready so that I may start school in the spring after my temporary hiatus to devote time to my job so money will not be an issue while I'm in school again. So I will not have the time to address anything you ask. But truly wish youtube would allow me to cite sources for you so you can better understand what I am saying. Oh well.
@Airlightf We atheists know when you're talking about God. Yeah we know all about your invisible sky daddy. In fact more atheists and agnostics know the bible through and through whereas most Christians have read maybe bits and pieces. Kind of sad that the majority of Christians don't know squat about their own holy book. HMMMMM Maybe it's time to stop texting your little friends and read the bible. It's a bit long winded and contradicts itself, yet it's one the most popular books in the world!
@Hotleather31 I believe you atheists know crap about my beliefs, which is very true. Cite a verse in the Bible that says little athiests and agnostics know anything about the word of God.
@Airlightf Yes we do know crap about your bible. It's a load of bullshit! I am glad I don't believe in what you believe in and if I have to burn in hell for it then so be it! I AM HOTLEATHER31 AND I DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT! Peace and may god be less!
@Hotleather31 Okay that was a bit harsh to say what I said about your holy book, and I apologize for that, but I will not budge from my beliefs. I am free to believe what I believe just as you are free to believe in what you believe in. You talk about wanting people to understand and tolerate your beliefs, yet you turn around and are intolerant of their beliefs. I am not some evil atheist out to harm you. I just need hardcore evidence that there is a god, and well I have not seen that evidence.
@Hotleather31 "I just need hardcore evidence that there is" I assume you think you know the truth about the Universe[God] and all it contains--which is nothing else that forceful imaginashia. You put your trust in man, I put my TRUST IN GOD ALMIGHTY CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE :D \0/
@Hotleather31 It is actually imaginatia but that's how you pronounce it (made it easier for you). imaginatia =fantasizing about things never seen or proven to be true.
@Airlightf Whoops replied to your first comment you made on here. Thank you for clearifying that for me. It is a word I have never heard of before, but since I am so stupid to you and don't know the truth like you do then thank you OH GREAT ONE! GOODBYE! GO PRAY TO JESUS AND LEAVE ME ALONE! COMPRENDE?
@Hotleather31 : /) (chucles) Comprende 21st century fantatia now? Good. Yes, I will continue enjoying life as always;) because I have the joy of the LORD GOD in me. You2 ,Sir,have a GOOD day.
@Hotleather31 I don't give a crap how happy you are in your ignorance :D or what you deny and deny NOT! What I care about is, What do you know? What do you REALLY know?
Joseph Cambell's "The Power of Myth" is a terrific read and the PBS mini series is even better. It really shows how people all over tried to explain the same things by making up stories and legends. Really interesting to see what people came up with.
Jesus is the number one cause of death amongst homo sapeins...EVER. No more death as a result of something else beats the death that has come as a result of your imaginary friend jesus. :) I love working the failtard religious losers.
@lentmain with a touch of my magic powers..you are absolved....oh and your life will improve ,...love will follow you everyplace and your bank account will swell........
It all started with children asking their parents awkward questions about life that their parents did not have answers for. Such as 'how did I come into the world?' or 'what is sex?',
So as to hid their embarrassments moral stories were made up by parents and every time they were retold the stories got longer. Then humans discover rituals.
There is possible evidence that Neanderthals had rituals apart from burying their dead, but this is not history as writing came later a lot later.
The evidence I would argue for my statement that Neanderthals had language is from the evidence that they supported members of their community with major physical impairments, The evidence of the remains of 'the old man of 'La Chapelle-aux-Saints' (France) and the two Neanderthals found in northern Kurdish Iraq, in an area known as Shanidar.
In order for these Neanderthals to have survived they would have needed to communicate their physical needs to those around them, this indicts access to some form of language and possibly the beginnings of society.
Being a stress relieve is a great explanation for the origins of why religion came about. I think it's one of the only reasons so many people today are still belieiving in something. Comfort.
Funny that it never gave me comfort. It gave me great stress as a nine year old when I would go to church with my grandfather and hear that if you were not "saved" you were going to hell. I immediately b/c worried about my family going to hell. I grew to hate religion, as a coping method and decided that it couldn't be true.
I guess I was more logical as a child than I would have ever given myself credit for.
Maybe - but given primate mating patterns, it's possible for the genes of 150 individuals to dominate a significantly larger population. My brother and his wife have had no children, neither have any of her siblings - and at our age are very unlikely to do so. A generation from now, the genetics of that family will have vanished, although they are part of the population today.
Nonetheless, something bad happened back then and we did have a population bottleneck - like cheetas suffered.
Religion began around the same time as hominids began burying their dead - around 40,000 years ago. It is part of a cultural revolution that started when hominids began developing complex tools such as the throwing stick and venerating individuals who could make and use tools more skillfully than others. The graves who individuals buried with tools, elaborate clothes and ornaments, and personal items such as drinking cups. Funerals seem to be a way of keeping the loved one mysteriously alive.
Yeesh! There was a lot of good information here, but Thomson would do well to step up his lecturing style a bit. He sounded bored to tears with his own subject matter! Thanks for posting it though. I may pick up that book he suggested.
and since they cannot see our deepest beings, they cannot possibly see our reality.
Airlightf 5 months ago
The Only One that gives me rational and satisfactory answers to my big questions is God.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
Oh, you mean the same god who is against rational thinking entirely? The same god who supposedly inspired a book that is in error scientifically, morally and historically? That god who commands us not to murder but would turn around and would frequently command genocide and commit genocide and murder depending on his mood or if you so happened to be unlucky enough to live in "the promised land" before the Hebrews decided to move in? You're right. He's such a rational being.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 O, you would have prefered the hebrews to be slaves forever?
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
You do realize that Exodus is completely inaccurate right? The Egyptians never held an entire race/civilization in slavery, though they did hold slaves as was customary of the times. All of their monuments were built by paid, Egyptian workers who were also given housing, food and medical care in case of injury. Judaism, the foundation of Christianity, is heavily influenced by Mesopotamian religions. I recommend you read A History of God by Karen Armstrong.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 Well, we believe what Scriptures revealed about slavery in Egypt: "7And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows; " YHWH said:" Israel is my only begotten son, therefore, let my son go or I will strike you,your officials and all your cattles down." You still think YHWH should have done nothing about slavery in Egypt where the hebrews were forced to mud fr K
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010
But your response addressed nothing I said. Red herrings are incredibly annoying.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
This is an outdated explanation for a narrow view of religions(gods). Origins of religion are tied to mental processing and developing understanding for complex phenomena to which humans are exposed (meaning everything).the way the brain infers from perception(makes assumptions)with this information then uses reason and accumulated knowledge helping to rectify the objectivity or relative validity of human comprehension. Most recent on this,Religion Explained:Evolutionary Origins by Pascal Boyer
architect333 5 months ago
never mine, just noticed his new book, this just refers to a narrow view of religious belief in gods.
architect333 5 months ago
@architect333 How does this help with our understanding of REALITY--the ouside world?
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf what are you referring to when you say outside world? the description helps to offer an explanation as to how the brain creates a mental image of what we perceive to be reality. as to ultimate truth beyond our senses we don't have the capacities to even discuss this by any meaningful interpretation. do you have a point or just inquiring?
architect333 5 months ago
@architect333 So what we perceive with our senses is not reality?
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf first remove the word not, then you would properly have understood what i said. As far as we are able to know anything. then yes.
architect333 5 months ago
@architect333 But that would be human's reality--not REALITY.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf but how do you know it's not reality? that's exactly why i said its meaningless to speculate or discuss the possibilities of absolute reality or absolute truth. I'm not denying possibilities of 'outside reality'. just as there could be endless possibilities beyond that,what you just said is what i said earlier, but without the assumption.
architect333 5 months ago
@architect333 I know it's not reality because we have only five senses. And our reality differ with animal's (rocks, plants etc) reality
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf Our perception differs from animals, but not the reality because we understand their sensory tools and how they perceive the material world, we are much more sophisticated and able to replicate there sensory organs (radar, inferred, computer sensors) we simple lack some tools biologically, but understand how they work in nature, to suggest they perceive a different reality as opposed to a different perception of the same reality is to again make the assumption against the evidence.
architect333 5 months ago
@architect333 Even though we all have five senses, it doesn't mean your reality is my reality, is it?
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf your talking about comparing perceptions not reality. we have science to objectively verify our subjective interpretations of our perceptions. this as i said will only get more complicated and eventually meaningless, no way we will get to the bottom of anything without going through the science extensively to even offer a basic understanding of what were talking about here. So again i end asking if you have a larger point besides the speculation of understanding reality.
architect333 5 months ago
@architect333 "your talking about comparing perceptions not reality.." I am also comparing their reality with ours. It's true, we pretty much undestand how they sensor the out side world. But their reality is not our reality because they do not see ours. "Our perception differs from animals, but not the reality because we understand their sensory tools and how they perceive "
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf then what reality do they see if not ours? they navigate our world, are made of the same atoms, see and interact within this reality. we even understand the entire biological and physical existence from evolution to death, your comparing one reality(universe) with another reality?(speculative) unless you assume different realities can be connected through our perceptions, there's no scientific evidence of this. again, could be possible but to know it and prove it, is another thing.
architect333 5 months ago
@architect333 But they(animals) cannot write or read poetry--which express our deepest feelings/reality.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf they simple lack the mental and physical capacities and therefor ability to do so, this does not alter reality anymore then a blind man see's another reality or existence.
architect333 5 months ago
@architect333 So they lack those tools, therefore, I am right. I blind man, "a blind man see's another reality..." how can you say "see's" if they blind men cannot see?
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf ask yourself what are you right about? a blind man uses other sensory tools to "see" (or perceive) the same reality we all find ourselves in. your wrong with that assumption and you don't make a point for seeing separate realities.
architect333 5 months ago
@architect333 You said absolute truth is impossibe to obtain and I proved yuo wrong by saying "I'm alive" Therefore, I am right and you are wrong.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf "You said absolute truth is impossible to obtain" you obviously ignored my previous comment or cant contemplate the difference between my position which is possible and a impossible position which you accuse me of. The distinction is we have allot of work to do in order to obtain this understanding where as you simply think you already know absolute truth. I'm afraid you incompetence of defending your own position is showing by attempting to change my position.
architect333 5 months ago
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@architect333 I am not an atheist; I know what I am saying. Earlier you said, " be reality. as to ultimate truth beyond our senses we don't have the capacities to even discuss this by any meaningful interpretation" Then you also showed doubts about acquiring
truth/ultimate reality; doubts counte as a no not a yes. If you notice, I am not my mind or body, therefore, my five senses are not me. Again, I know my position n this matter.
Airlightf 5 months ago
As for knowing anything, how do we know our perception is not reality, or differs from animals without the science giving you this understanding using our 'personal' perception of understanding, in other words how do you know what you think you know without science, presuming science can help us understand absolute truth. so It's best to leave it open for possibilities to be honest with yourself or anybody else. Cause we both know, all we know is that we know nothing! - Socrates
architect333 5 months ago
@architect333 But what does it mean to know nothing? It has to mean something don't you think?
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf that's the difference between 'truth' and 'absolute truth.' or reality and absolute reality.
architect333 5 months ago
@architect333 I'm alive-is an absolute truth, isn't it? This tells me that it is possible to know the absolute truth about certain things
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf we are conscious, this tells us that we are aware of our surroundings, your not even sure if what you perceive is reality, and you learn this by forming a mental image of the world far from correctly understood. Is it possible to understand absolute reality from limited sensory perception or mental faculties? possibly but your the one who wont stop at possibilities, instead you assume you know certain things before they are even understood.
architect333 5 months ago
@architect333 I hVE to go to bed. BRB tom
Airlightf 5 months ago
@architect333
Religion Explained: Evolutionary Origins? I haven't read this one but I am intrigued. Could you possibly give me a brief synopsis?
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 with goggle type ''book title' wiki', you should get the basic synopsis. i was looking for a preview and found a brief explanations of the chapters in an educational pdf file. that should give you an idea what's to learn. again in goggle type 'religion explained preview pdf' look for Ip address starting with nhoj.info
architect333 5 months ago
@architect333 I do not need google or any other search engines, I have bibles--and the Spirit of God is with me.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf this comment was not for you, it was a response to Larkinized2010. As to having the spirit of god, and bibles, good for you! All i can say to that is don't ignore the rest of the world and what it has to offer.
architect333 5 months ago
@architect333 I don't ignore anything. If that wasn't true, I wouldn't be here listening to you guys.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 I've read quite a few books about religion but thank you I will read those two
Airlightf 5 months ago
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Larkinized2010 5 months ago
If thoughts are invisible, then atheists will deny their existence. Just like the way they deny the existence of a man standing behind closed doors because they cannot see him.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
But I think that you should really begin to study your religious convictions. I can offer you two great websites that will provide you with a vast array of information concerning science and such. I would also like for you to watch the "Why I Am No Longer a Christian" series by evid3nc3 on youtube. Do not worry, he is like me. An atheist, but not one who ridicules the beliefs of others and believes in intellectual honesty above all else. There are also many books you could read.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 Ok thank you I will check 'em out.
Airlightf 5 months ago
Do thoughts preceed the brain light up? I want to know if thoughts have mass.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
I have recently begun my layman's study of neuroscience so I cannot answer that question right now. But I have the feeling you are a very inquisitive person and truly want to know about the world around you. But sadly, your mind has been tainted through an ideology that forces you to disregard any evidence that contradicts your holy text. I no long wish to continue this conversation on this video for I have to edit all I have to say. Feel free to PM me if you would like to continue.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 It's not only Scriptures, it is actually this REALITY we see all around us. EVERYTHING that we see here, Where did it come from? And please don't mention the Big Pop Corn that bear everything our senses perceive today. Ok I will PM you
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
You clearly are ignorant to what the Big Bang actually states. The simplest way I can put it is that billions of years ago everything in the universe was at a central point and then rapidly expanded. There is evidence to support this theory as well.
I feel I must add that neither evolution nor the big bang deal with the ORIGIN of life/the universe. They simply explain everything that occurred after whatever phenomena caused life/the universe to "begin", in the loosest definition.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
BRB
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 -If in our time,men who defy the Laws of Physics do exist, What makes you think that in ancient times such a man like Jesus could have not existed ?
Airlightf 5 months ago
LOL, atheists, please. Make some sense
Airlightf 6 months ago
@Airlightf
What are you confused by? Tell me and I'll do my best to clarify. :)
Larkinized2010 6 months ago
@Larkinized2010 You, an athiest, cannot do crap about my confusion in this world.
Airlightf 6 months ago
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Larkinized2010 6 months ago
@Airlightf
Actually, I, an atheist, am well-versed in science, theology and history, which is more than I can say for whatever holy text fits into your specific ideology.
Larkinized2010 6 months ago
@Larkinized2010 Ok. Good. Did JESUS exist or did he not?
Airlightf 6 months ago
@Airlightf
There is little evidence, that I have come across, for the existence of your Jesus Christ. Outside of the four gospels. But these were not written by the actual 12 disciples as is so commonly believed. The first gospel wasn't even written until around 65-70 years AFTER the supposed crucifixion. However, the gospels are hardly historical documents.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 What do you mean by "for the existence of your Jesus Christ" ? "your"
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
(continued) In fact, they cannot agree on when Jesus was born, how long it took him to die on the cross, they do not all reference the virgin birth, etc. Essentially, they do not agree on the most important events in the Jesus story.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 So, you (like me) do not know if he existed or he did not?
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
I cannot say for certainty either way simply due to a lack of evidence. Since disbelief is the logical default position, I lack a belief in Jesus. But I do not think I am in error in saying that the Jesus of the gospels cannot have existed due to the fact that what he is said to have done completely violates the laws of nature and that the gospels contradict one another. However, could a teacher named Jesus have existed? Possibly. Just like Socrates.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 you see what I am saying(my confusion)? The same kind of help you (an atheist) offered me, will be the same I will be given by a believer. We live in total darkness and confussion--this is the reality--because we presume to know BUT we do not really know "for certainty". The "logical" default position doesn't prove you what really exist in reality, or that you are in the right track.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf But you're wrong. Theists say they know things with certainty. Atheists are honest enough to admit that they don't have all of the answers but are always searching for the answers but there must be empirical evidence to justify any claims made. Theists do not require evidence, only faith and a holy book. Atheists require evidence to believe something or make any sort of assertion.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 Why do you speak like a moron?: "Theists do not require evidence, only faith and a holy book" God's Evidence is everywhere in our Universe. Faith is Trusting God not man. Our Laws says: Cursed is he who puts his trust in man :D Therefore, we Trust God not man--five senses.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
I speak rather intelligently actually. However, let us not digress. You are using the self-evident argument. But there is a vast error in your reasoning. If your particular god is proven throughout the universe, how is it that we can explain almost every natural phenomena without a god being essential to the explanation? If Yahweh does exist, then he has done a haphazard job with providing evidence for his existence.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 "how is it that we can explain almost every natural phenomena without a god being essential to the explanation?" LOL HAHAHAH You cannot explain me without (reasoning)mentioning God :D Silly
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
Actually I can explain how you exist using biology. I do not require a god to explain a sperm fertilizing an egg and thus beginning the slow formation of what will be a human infant and that after roughly 9 months you were either pushed through your mother's birth canal or your mother had a c-section. Nowhere is god necessary to the explanation therefore he is not present in the explanation, for Occam's razor states that the solution with the fewest presumptions is the correct one.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 What will biology teach you about me? that it knows Who I am? or that it knows why I came into existence? No god is necessary for the explanation of life? Biology only sees the surface of this issue--human life--it only scratches my skin
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
Fine genetics. Your DNA is what makes you, you.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 The problem with is that I am not really my mind or my body. If I were my DNA/body/mind, I would agree with them in everything BUT this is not what happens in reality. (I am going to bed now Good night
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
You are DNA, body, mind. This is reality. These are the facts. This will not change no matter how hard you wish them different or close your eyes to them. I am truly sorry that an inquisitive mind has been tainted and you will not accept modern science that contradicts your bronze age ideology.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 But we do not know what the mind is. And since we do not know what it is, we cannot say much about it. I've studied my own mind--my self--and body hence my conclusion about each one of them.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
Please, never use the "god of the gaps fallacy". Simply because we cannot explain/understand something currently does not mean we can stop study and experimentation and say "God did it!". This not only castrates the scientific method but it is a completely erroneous thing to say. We used to think gods caused earthquakes but now we know that they are a result of shifting tectonic plates. The list goes on and on.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Airlightf
Good use of circular reasoning though. But your trust god not man statement is exactly what I mean by faith. You believe in a being without any evidence for justification. "Our Laws", ie the Bible aka a holy text. You have not rebutted my argument, but have only reiterated my previous statement.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 I believe in God Creator of the world and the Universe, period. You want more evidence?
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
Belief in no way validates an ideology. Same goes for martyrdom. I can believe/die for any nonsense that suits my fancy. This is not evidence. Try again.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 That's what I am saying, just because you believe there is no god doesn't validate anything.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
I have evidence to support my lack of belief. You have yet to provide and evidence to support the assertion that the Christian god exists. Look into Chromosome #2. This piece of evidence conclusively proves that evolution is valid. Look into The Blind Watchmake by Richard Dawkins. I ask that you begin intensive research about your ideology. For I was once a Christian, but through intense study and thought, there is no longer a reason for me to believe in a god, of any kind.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Airlightf
But millions of people do not perpetuate the notion that Socrates performed miracles and other such nonsense and is the only path to salvation. Therefore his historicity is essentially irrelevant to the ideas his name is associated with (the Socratic method). This same line of reasoning would apply to Jesus but the fact that he is perpetuated to be the Son of God makes his historicity completely relevant.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 Now,"disbelief is the logical default position" HAHAHAHA LOL HAHAHAH A position I would not hold, nor a thinking person because disbelief doesn't prove the nonexistence of God or else. It doesn't refute peoples' beliefs based on facts ,experiences, and long historical evidence that somewhere in the past a Creator started Life-which bear witness of His incomprehensible power and wisdom.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
There is no evidence for or against unicorns, the Greek gods, or any other mystical entities created by primitive human beings, but yet we hold no such belief in them because we have no reason to. I fail to see you point. Actually I could easily refute your Christianity. It's been many times through out history. The first being a certain quote from Epicurus, around 33 BCE.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Airlightf
Now, you must not understand what "disbelief being the default position means" so I'll explain it to you. Let's say I told you I achieved human flight without the aid of machines. You would not believe me and would then ask me to prove it. If I cannot offer conclusive evidence for my ability to fly, you will then continue to not believe me, no matter how much I scream and shout, until such evidence is brought forth. The same goes with any claim.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 The point here is that atheists limit themeselves to what their eyes can see. So if some one stands behind a closed door, and an atheist cannot see that person directly, he/she will deny his/her existence.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
The natural world is the only thing we can test and study. If your god truly existed there would be evidence for its existence. The only "gaps" your god has left is the origin of the universe/life but there are hypotheses for both that are being extensively tested and studied. Regardless, there has yet to be an argument or a piece of evidence that conclusively proves your assertion that a god/your particular god, Yahweh, exists.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
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Windlightesh 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 LOL Ah, how do you know my -I have a "god" if I have not mentioned any "god" at all? You see why I say Atheists cannot do crap about my confusion and doubts? Unless you understand The Mind of God, you will never understand me. BTW, what kind of evidence you want to see? A human god or a god of stone--one that you can test and study? LOL HAHAHAAHAHAHH omg, Atheists, please
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
We "limit" ourselves to the physical world, ie the entirety of the universe, because that is the only realm we can study, test and observe. It is the only place where we are able to make any sort of assertion based on empirical evidence. Anything metaphysical is circumstantial and mere speculation at best.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 Thoughts and Insurance are not physical so now you are going to deny their existence
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
Neuroscience. But the brain has proven to be quite a fascinating area of study. We are able to see areas of the brain light up when, in essence, you have a thought. But we still know very little about it, sadly.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 "Now, you must not understand what "disbelief being the default position means" so I'll explain it to you. " I wonder when will God open your eyes or prove to you He does Exist
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
Now, as an atheist, I am not saying a general deity is outside the scope of probability. I am saying that there is no evidence/argument that gives me a reason to believe in one. The only gods I deny are the gods of religion. For the God of Christianity/Judaism, for example, does not exist. I can prove this with a scientific argument, historical argument and moral argument. Easily, I might add.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 "For the God of Christianity/Judaism, for example, does not exist" LOL This is the funniest joke I've ever heard. HAHAHAHAHH. So just because you are an atheist I MUST believe in you--your word? You are lying, science cannot disprove the historical Jesus. How will you disprove Jesus' morality? You will have to deny that romans, Jews, and muslims ever existed more than 2000 years ago. LOL But go ahead and disprove every thing that is bothering you
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
I can disprove those particular gods, not the people for there is substantial evidence for the existence of ancient cultures. Science has disproved the Genesis story. Therefore, there was no "original sin", Therefore, there was no reason for Jesus to be crucified as a sacrifice for our sins. Jesus preached many immoral things along side his moral teachings. So Jesus is no source of absolute morality, just like his capricious, masochistic, racist, homophobic, genocidal father.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 "there was no reason for Jesus to be crucified as a sacrifice for our sins" This reminds the words of satan through one of Jesus' dciples telling him not to go the cross. Why don't you go to church? I am late for church BRB
Airlightf 5 months ago
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@Airlightf
Good use of quote mining. I said " Science has disproved the Genesis story. Therefore, there was no "original sin", Therefore, there was no reason for Jesus to be crucified as a sacrifice for our sins". Do a little better next time.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 "Science has disproved the Genesis story." In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth..." How did science "disprove" that single verse ? -Jesus was a Good man. You are talking like this because you don't know him.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
Evolution and the big bang have falsified the idiotic notion that some entity created the entirety of the universe from absolutely nothing, which is EXACTLY what the Genesis story states. I know Jesus very well, if by "know him", you mean having studied the gospels since you cannot "know" a person who we cannot say for certain existed nor can you know a person, who if he did exist, has been dead for over 2,000 years. I agree that SOME of what he taught was very moral.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 Evolution(Human Christmas Tree) and the Big Pop Corn trashed my god? "absolutely nothing" Yes I believe you! you/we know absolutely nothing about the creation of the Universe. We only fantasise about those things and make theories using our tools and a little bit of imagination. Jesus: the words that some one speaks tell a lot about that person. That's why we say we know Jesus because of his incomparable wisdom. Thank you for continuing talking to me. I also wanted to ask you
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
I will concede that the origin of life/universe is still an unknown. However, abiogenesis and the mutliverse hypotheses are currently being tested and studied. However, evolution is hardly open to debate since creationism is hardly a credible theory and to say it is shows a massive argument from ignorance. The amount of evidence that supports it is mind boggling. I have yet to see someone argue over other credible theories, ie atomic theory. So I will not do so with evolution.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 Hmmm, you continue to show more and more ignorance concerning Creation, Life, Man, and God.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
How insulting since I haven't insulted you in any way. I have presented my case as best I could without being able to cite my sources and really go into detail. I have yet to make an argument from ignorance but you have made it painfully obvious how ignorant you are of science, history and theology.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 O, come on! You insulted God and mocked billions of people because of their beliefs. I am not a scientist but I know their theories and facts about our natural world. But like I said, I trust in GOD not in mere mortals.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
Correction: I am addressing what YOU believe. I "insulted God"? You're right. I did call him a capricious, masochistic, homophobic, racist, genocidal, bullying, murderer. And if you really read the Old Testament, these adjectives don't even BEGIN to describe Yahweh's immorality. You have yet to show you have a real knowledge of science in the entirety of our discourse, or that you even have a basic understanding of its theories.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 Now you are going to say that you don't insult the other gods but only "Yahweh"
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
I "insult" all the gods of religion for they are equally ridiculous.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 But God is still God and will be the same for an eternity regardless of what your mind does o does not do. Suck on that
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf
Repetition does not strengthen your incredibly weak argument. But debates with theists usually come to this point where I have rebutted them and they no longer have an argument to make, so they resort to baseless rhetoric and reiteration of statements already made. It's incredibly dull. You arrogantly claim to know the character of a supernatural entity that we have no proof even exists. And when I have asked for any evidence beyond your holy book, you feed me nonsense.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
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@Larkinized2010 What that means is that your personal opinion is not valid. "But debates with theists usually come to this point where I have rebutted them " HAHAHAHAHAH but HOW? with the pop corn model? With the Evolution Christmas Tree? LOL With your ignorance concerning the mind and its Nature? O, you did answer my three most important question: Why am I here? Who am I? What is this world? LOL -I am evidence of God's Existence.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf LOL -I am evidence of God's Existence.
You being here is in no way evidence of a divine creator. Sadly, I am not well-versed in the argument that architect333 is making. Quite well from what I can tell though. You, on the other hand, have shown a complete ignorance of any scientific theories, your own ideology and your own holy text. You reiterate your ignorance and dare think it makes your argument valid when you can hardly show ANY evidence that makes your belief credible.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 Yes, architect333 is a good guy. I do not need "theories"The Christmas Evolution Tree or the Big Pop Corn (wich was heated by who knows) or chance/ randomness or billions/millions[=the God of gaps] of years--to explain my existence or that God is Real. In addition, you have not proved to me that know what you are talking about.
Airlightf 5 months ago
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@Larkinized2010 "Simply because...we can stop study and experimentation and say "God did it."' O, it's better to say The Big Pop Corn Did it, right? and the God Chance? Also, the Natural Selection God caused it? The hands of the God Evolution did it? randomess god? But how if all this gods came after EVERYTHING had emerged, How could they possibly have "caused" anything? What you all don't, don’t understand is that God doesn't stop any one from continuing investigating the natural world.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf "it's better to say The Big Pop Corn Did it, right?...The hands of the God Evolution did it? randomess god? " Gods are SUPERNATURAL entities, not natural beings. Also, theistic gods are worshiped by their followers. No atheist worships the theories of science. But you fail to understand that evolution/big bang do not comment on the origins of the universe/life, but simply on what occurred after these two events happened. You continue to approve the assertion you quoted here.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 And apparently you don't need fact either. Just your precious book and faith. Thank you for, once again, solidifying my perception of theists.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 please read "The Language of God"
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 How can you be so blind? Atheists have a god too.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf If Christianity is your chosen faith and you are content to live within the scope it allows, then live your life in the happiest way possible. I will read the book you have suggested whenever I can come across a copy. It is my hope that you will open your mind and not blindly follow what ANYONE (me, peers, parents, pastors, etc) without checking into it for yourself if it is true. Don't be so quick to write things off but approach EVERYTHING with some degree of initial skepticism.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 I REALITY I do not follow any one but what GOD has put into my heart. GOD is not a religion or a book. God made these things, ergo, these thingswill not make GOD. Also, I myself get into heated debate with people of all faiths. but thank you, I like to listen to people who are sincere in what they perceive to be true.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Airlightf But I can no longer continue this discussion. My job is giving me 40+ hours and I have to get things ready so that I may start school in the spring after my temporary hiatus to devote time to my job so money will not be an issue while I'm in school again. So I will not have the time to address anything you ask. But truly wish youtube would allow me to cite sources for you so you can better understand what I am saying. Oh well.
Larkinized2010 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 I know; I also work and go to school. I have to crack the books.
Airlightf 5 months ago
@Larkinized2010 Was he crusified or was he not? Christians say he was but muslims say he wasn't! What do you think ?
Airlightf 6 months ago
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@NDayatida Atheists, • When I say God, I am not talking about your mucus or the spaghetti in your mouth. No, not the crumbs on your table either
Airlightf 6 months ago
We, the good-thinking-rational-people worship God.
Airlightf 6 months ago
Amen.
Airlightf 7 months ago
From 2000 people to 6 billion. Yeah baby, sex is great...
Jbo1996 11 months ago
Religion exists because it provides answers. Quick, easy, comforting.
Why did my innocent child suffer and die? Whamo! Gone to a better place.
Why did my crops die? Zap! You didn't contribute enough to the church, you sinned!
Why did the King/Chief/Priest rape my daughter? TaDa! Don't worry he'll get punished by God in the next life, there will be justice then.
Will I see my Mom again! Yes. God is there to dish out justice.
All BS answers of course. But don't you feel better?
dimbulb23 1 year ago
Atheists, • When I say God, I am not talking about your mucus or the spaghetti in your mouth. No, not the crumbs on your table either.
Airlightf 1 year ago
@Airlightf We atheists know when you're talking about God. Yeah we know all about your invisible sky daddy. In fact more atheists and agnostics know the bible through and through whereas most Christians have read maybe bits and pieces. Kind of sad that the majority of Christians don't know squat about their own holy book. HMMMMM Maybe it's time to stop texting your little friends and read the bible. It's a bit long winded and contradicts itself, yet it's one the most popular books in the world!
Hotleather31 7 months ago
@Hotleather31 I believe you atheists know crap about my beliefs, which is very true. Cite a verse in the Bible that says little athiests and agnostics know anything about the word of God.
Airlightf 7 months ago
@Airlightf Yes we do know crap about your bible. It's a load of bullshit! I am glad I don't believe in what you believe in and if I have to burn in hell for it then so be it! I AM HOTLEATHER31 AND I DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT! Peace and may god be less!
Hotleather31 7 months ago
@Hotleather31 Okay that was a bit harsh to say what I said about your holy book, and I apologize for that, but I will not budge from my beliefs. I am free to believe what I believe just as you are free to believe in what you believe in. You talk about wanting people to understand and tolerate your beliefs, yet you turn around and are intolerant of their beliefs. I am not some evil atheist out to harm you. I just need hardcore evidence that there is a god, and well I have not seen that evidence.
Hotleather31 7 months ago
@Hotleather31 "I just need hardcore evidence that there is" I assume you think you know the truth about the Universe[God] and all it contains--which is nothing else that forceful imaginashia. You put your trust in man, I put my TRUST IN GOD ALMIGHTY CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE :D \0/
Airlightf 7 months ago
@Airlightf Good for you. Moving on!
Hotleather31 7 months ago
@Airlightf Oh and what is imaginashia? New word? MMMMM Time for a spell check! Peace!
Hotleather31 7 months ago
@Hotleather31 It is actually imaginatia but that's how you pronounce it (made it easier for you). imaginatia =fantasizing about things never seen or proven to be true.
Airlightf 7 months ago
@Airlightf Whoops replied to your first comment you made on here. Thank you for clearifying that for me. It is a word I have never heard of before, but since I am so stupid to you and don't know the truth like you do then thank you OH GREAT ONE! GOODBYE! GO PRAY TO JESUS AND LEAVE ME ALONE! COMPRENDE?
Hotleather31 7 months ago
@Hotleather31 : /) (chucles) Comprende 21st century fantatia now? Good. Yes, I will continue enjoying life as always;) because I have the joy of the LORD GOD in me. You2 ,Sir,have a GOOD day.
Airlightf 7 months ago
@Airlightf GOODBYE!!!!
Hotleather31 7 months ago
@Hotleather31 Bye, bye
Airlightf 7 months ago
@Hotleather31 I don't give a crap how happy you are in your ignorance :D or what you deny and deny NOT! What I care about is, What do you know? What do you REALLY know?
Airlightf 7 months ago
@Airlightf Nothing. Absolutely nothing sir/Mr./Mrs./Ms./ it, and I am not afraid to admit to that. Good day to you, and have a good life!
Hotleather31 7 months ago
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@Hotleather31 Atheists, • When I say God, I am not talking about your mucus or the spaghetti in your mouth. No, not the crumbs on your table either
Airlightf 6 months ago
@Airlightf Thanks! Are we done with the argument? MOVING ON! LET IT GO! GOOD DAY TO YOU!
Hotleather31 7 months ago
Joseph Cambell's "The Power of Myth" is a terrific read and the PBS mini series is even better. It really shows how people all over tried to explain the same things by making up stories and legends. Really interesting to see what people came up with.
RhondaH 1 year ago
Jesus is the number one cause of death amongst homo sapeins...EVER. No more death as a result of something else beats the death that has come as a result of your imaginary friend jesus. :) I love working the failtard religious losers.
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ToniMaples 2 years ago
@ToniMaples Jesus was gay.
kentekent 1 year ago
Religion has the same history core as magic... To master deception and illusion, that is what the preachers are.
Very sad......
lentmain 2 years ago 15
@lentmain hay...stop denigrating magic like that. at least we work for a living doing honest entertainment...as opposed to dishonest brainwashing.
;)
zencat999 10 months ago
@zencat999 true..... (bow).. sorry
lentmain 10 months ago
@lentmain with a touch of my magic powers..you are absolved....oh and your life will improve ,...love will follow you everyplace and your bank account will swell........
Amen....
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zencat999 10 months ago
guy on the left looks butthurt that Andy pwned him
Glapo 2 years ago
It all started with children asking their parents awkward questions about life that their parents did not have answers for. Such as 'how did I come into the world?' or 'what is sex?',
So as to hid their embarrassments moral stories were made up by parents and every time they were retold the stories got longer. Then humans discover rituals.
There is possible evidence that Neanderthals had rituals apart from burying their dead, but this is not history as writing came later a lot later.
yourcamden 2 years ago 2
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yourcamden 2 years ago
The evidence I would argue for my statement that Neanderthals had language is from the evidence that they supported members of their community with major physical impairments, The evidence of the remains of 'the old man of 'La Chapelle-aux-Saints' (France) and the two Neanderthals found in northern Kurdish Iraq, in an area known as Shanidar.
yourcamden 2 years ago
In order for these Neanderthals to have survived they would have needed to communicate their physical needs to those around them, this indicts access to some form of language and possibly the beginnings of society.
yourcamden 2 years ago
invalid arguments? wtf is that?
AVoxHumana 2 years ago
he brain categories and structures everything it can. I think the first concepts of god were more like:
- there is bigger and smaller
- there is better and worse
- therefore there must be something bigger and better
- and there's something bigger and better than that
- and so there must be a source of biggerness and betterness..
Then we anthropomorphize
The ancient Greeks had some good thoughts on these things..
sy1234 2 years ago
Being a stress relieve is a great explanation for the origins of why religion came about. I think it's one of the only reasons so many people today are still belieiving in something. Comfort.
roliusbeau 3 years ago 2
Funny that it never gave me comfort. It gave me great stress as a nine year old when I would go to church with my grandfather and hear that if you were not "saved" you were going to hell. I immediately b/c worried about my family going to hell. I grew to hate religion, as a coping method and decided that it couldn't be true.
I guess I was more logical as a child than I would have ever given myself credit for.
blaziermissy 3 years ago 6
@blaziermissy : I couldn't agree more... distress and plain stupidity were also some of the reasons for me to leave religion behind (at 10-11) :-)
bersa888 1 year ago
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dannypantsgm 3 years ago
Before the Dawn by Nicholas Wade IS indeed a great book.
hanzo138 3 years ago
A seed population of 150? That is an astonishing number. Looks like I have some more reading material to add to my list.
GeeKayKayGee 3 years ago 2
Maybe - but given primate mating patterns, it's possible for the genes of 150 individuals to dominate a significantly larger population. My brother and his wife have had no children, neither have any of her siblings - and at our age are very unlikely to do so. A generation from now, the genetics of that family will have vanished, although they are part of the population today.
Nonetheless, something bad happened back then and we did have a population bottleneck - like cheetas suffered.
47f0 3 years ago
6:24 Long time since I heard that horrid sound.
InReasonWeTrust 3 years ago
yes, it triggers all kinds of memories :-)
LastReplaySC 3 years ago
Ha, you're so right. Ironic to hear it again...in digital form!
DonJulioBlanco2002 3 years ago
Historically religions have been politheistic. The concept of monotheism is relitively modern.
firstplumbline 3 years ago
Religion began around the same time as hominids began burying their dead - around 40,000 years ago. It is part of a cultural revolution that started when hominids began developing complex tools such as the throwing stick and venerating individuals who could make and use tools more skillfully than others. The graves who individuals buried with tools, elaborate clothes and ornaments, and personal items such as drinking cups. Funerals seem to be a way of keeping the loved one mysteriously alive.
pirbird14 3 years ago 3
nice!
Dargo099 3 years ago
Yeesh! There was a lot of good information here, but Thomson would do well to step up his lecturing style a bit. He sounded bored to tears with his own subject matter! Thanks for posting it though. I may pick up that book he suggested.