Tekzilla: Worth switching to the Mac?

[sambradley98]

kevin rose from diggnation!!

[ryanrich2345]

What's up with the man boobs thru ur shirt? My 8 year old nephew has that same shirt geekazoid..ur 40 not 13 anymore hang it up

[siredline09]

kevin is a apple NOOB i been using mac since 1998 and i remember when i would always tune is to see macworld on Apple.com back then and i still do

[Daputti]

@skrbicdu

Lemme fix that for you.

Windows - gaming, office, work.

Linux (Ubuntu) - work, office, servers

Mac - being a trendy hippie. It's not any more reliable as Windows. You've just been brainwashed by Apple. Go suck Jobs' cock.

This video could be one second long with a big and loud "NO".

[Richbund]

Correction... A mac will run financial software , in particular, QuickBooks Pro, and I run my business on it, works great!

[666satanicaA666]

fuck these guys redefine losers. anyone with a iq over that of a goldfish knows windows is simply far better in every possible way

[RNRDOLL]

@011assasin haha..thats about all my windows laptop is good for; REDTUBE, YOUPORN and EMPFLIX.

[runescapeglobeskate]

Idk, imo for every-day use and just gaming and entertainment, I love my PC... actually, I built myself a gaming rig, I have Vista though, and vista runs FINE!!!! I do agree it could run just slightly a bit more stabilized/faster but I'm going for windows 7 soon.

I don't hate macs, actually I think they're pretty cool, (the macbooks) like for example maybe for when I go to college it'd be nice to have one :)

[insidmal]

"got tired of running antivirus antispyware" LOL.. why would you not run them on mac? There are def still virus' there, sorry, hate to break it to you. I've even gotten virus' on my iPhone! lol

[RNRDOLL]

@insidmal I've never seen a virus on a mac..ever. BUT, I've seen enough crashes on them. For me, I'm making the switch because of workflow and cleanliness. Windows just doesn't cut it for what I do. Plus, it takes me using like 3 programs on windows to do something I could do with one on mac. Mac has the art of the user interface downpat like nobody else. Plus I LOATHE windows' constant updates every time I turn the damn thing on, hogging up my RAM. Its hard to stay creative and inspired on PC.

[Daputti]

@RNRDOLL

Ubuntu for you.

[irulethe70s]

its worth it to me

[jophster]

Phew! Heated here!

[0Orion]

Mac is a PC with less expensive parts, a great looking case and a better OS but priced way more then PCs.

What sucks about Mac vs PC argument is that they never mention Linux as an alternative.

How about upgrading to linux and donating that $200 OS upgrade money to an opensource project that will be forever free and open?

Microsoft - you may be stuck with it.

Apple - Think different (or think my way)

Linux - Think MORE!

[grahamhg]

@0Orion Can you get autocad/rhino for linux????

[0Orion]

@grahamhg I don't know since I don't use those programs.

I don't know what your needs are but you may be able to run autocad & rhino with virtualbox or vmware player.

Virtualbox and Vmware support OpenGL but I don't know if there is going to be a perceived loss in performance in your case.

[grahamhg]

@0Orion There'll definately be a perceived loss. My options at the moment are windows or mac. Mac hardware is FAR too expensive, so i'm thinking of self building some workstations. Then i'll be stuck with windows, this would be fine if only windows didn't make such a meal out of performing basic functions (ie no mac like drag and drop, usb's etc don't pop up on the desktop when you plug them in) Also antivirus eats up ram and i'd prefer not to install it on the machines for rendering.

[0Orion]

@grahamhg BTW, I looked at the Rino site quickly and it looks like OSX is not supported yet. I guess you are stuck on Windows for now.

[grahamhg]

@0Orion No I already use it on a mac- it's free as its still in beta at the moment. No plug ins though. I'm probably stuck on windows for workstations because the cost of mac pro's is simply too high. I could build the equivalent machine for 50% of the cost or less.

[TalesOfWar]

@grahamhg If you're running workstations for any serious tasks, I highly advise AGAINST custom builds. What you say on up front cost can potentially lose you far more if/when one of those systems craps out and you have to act as your own tech support, which just takes you away from your usual work and takes a system with it, losing productivity. Even if you end up getting HP Z series or Dell Precisions, getting a ready made is the best option. Mac Pro = win of course lol.

[dmc040]

i can do this show in less than 30 seconds, switch to mac, way better, i just switched, its way awsome, and 4GB of ram is definatly better than 2GB, cause can do more multi tasking, this also depends on the type of RAM ure running, DDR, DDR2 or DDR3

[ArchBrethren]

ya if you never want to play video games. I got a buddy who has a mac. Its nice, but like the iPhone you have to buy each and every update and little apps.

[0Orion]

@dmc040 I have an Asus G51 - 6gb of ram (upgradeable to 8) with p9700 Intel processor + Nvidia 260m GTX. Can't beat PCs as far as laptop performance specially now with the new I7 processors.

See Sager NP8690 & ASUS G51J-A1 for example.

My laptop has Ubuntu Linux 9.10 plus XP in a virtual machine and is powerful enough to run all the remaining XP apps with the virtual machine (adobe suite for example).

[dmc040]

linux is great and even better if you know programming but for simplicity i would suggest macs. i still keep ubuntu in dual boot

[headachebr]

And for you people out there saying that Macs are faster than PCs, I can build a computer as fast as the fastest Mac Pro with 1/3 of the price.. so don't come here with speed issues. Macs win at aesthetics, but thats about it ;D

[caboose1289]

You're an idiot. You won't be able to build a pc that is comparable to a Mac Pro.

[FASSY524]

Mac pros are the best for music. And work and everything.

[RNRDOLL]

@FASSY524 three words...APPLE LOGIC PRO 9....windows can't fuckin touch that shit. Thats my number 1 reason for my switch, is music recording is a fuckin hassle on windows.

[FASSY524]

Ok send me one then with the highest end music programs, Pro tools HD, Logic Pro, FL Studio/7. Make it never have viruses and make it so It can boot in 3 seconds. And shut down in 1 second. And make it look good. Macs are made of Eco friendly materials.

[headachebr]

I don't get why people talk so bad about Vista...

I never had any problems with it... Any crashes, viruses, BSOD, etc. It's perfect for me!

When I use my wife's macbook air, I feel like you don't have as much settings as you do on Windows... It's like both: for "everyone" (meaning, noobies with computers), with big buttons, pretty interface and not so much configuration. Or for experts that know how to use the Terminal, etc.

Windows is more for the intermediate users.

[ghelyar]

I completely agree. I have never had any problems with viruses on Windows and I doubt many expert users really have.

For years I even ran without any antivirus software at all. Running antivirus does not make up for idiots that turn off UAC and run virus.exe then complain that their OS has something wrong with it when really it is just them.

Windows gets viruses because the number of Windows users that are morons far outweighs the entire market share of Mac.

[ASCII808]

no because I could build two good computers for the price of a imac that are faster, macs are a joke, kind of like a game, a very frustrating one lol worse than ET for the atari

[brandonrobinson5150]

macs are for pros PCs are for everyone else.

[elredplague]

Is that an argument? If so you do a good job at making the apple community look idiotic.

[brandonrobinson5150]

No argument Just the Facts!

[elredplague]

Once again.

[ijoshtech]

You're an idiot. Macs are so much easier so work with.

[brandonrobinson5150]

You're an idiot. I never said they were hard to use.

[HarryOgBandittene]

Dom som sier dom er dom, dom er dom dom.

[webmasterteen]

In your opinion, yes.

[dragonballjiujitsu]

Faster at what? Games? Dude, make some legit points.

[ASCII808]

faster, depends on the tasks, and the hardware, and the operating system. really the only vista can compete with the mac, is that vista must be compensated for which most of the time can only be done via building a custom building, or buying a laptop. also depends what software is competing against each other, and how well it was made on each operating system. the only way vista can beat mac is compensated for, which I don't think its possible in the all in one area, and mini itx area.

[ASCII808]

I prefer pc because I am used to it, and it has always worked in my experience, on the mac I have had many problems, and not much support from apple support help, so I end up searching forums to find a fix, and trial and error is used. if you prefer mac osx that is fine, I prefer windows/ linux, but I can't make a good opinion on vista, because I don't use it all of the time like you at your job. I like how it is easy to control my windows machine. mac is good for the average user though IMO.

[ijoshtech]

You can never get a better PC than a Mac because the software and hardware outrun a pc by far.

[ASCII808]

Depends what you get, the best pc will always beat the best mac at the moment on the hardware side. I have a Pc that beats the macbook pro and it only cost 700$.

[ijoshtech]

Yes, but think about the software side and how much better it runs so it probably doesn't have the same or better specs but it still runs as fast

[ASCII808]

I don't run vista, so it is pretty fast.

[ghelyar]

I run Vista x64 on a decent (water cooled and overclocked but still cheaper than a Mac) machine and it is lightning fast, even after having it installed since the release of Vista.

As far as I can tell, Vista runs at least the same speed as XP. It just needs more hardware to do it. What do people expect considering XP is from 2001?

The trick is not filling it up with seven shades of crap that slow it down.

[hvfdssrfd]

mac sucks macs are for douche bags!!!

[hmjgriffon]

fucking macfag dochebags, I run XP and I don't run anti virus or anti spyware, its called common sense asshole.

[VanillaFresh76]

microsoft is a software company-they make really good software-its usually the hardware/compatibility issues that lets it down.

[ToucheWho]

Weird to see Kevin standing up, get back to your Diggnation couch dammit!

And I don't see why people make such a big thing about Vista being crap, I've been using it for nearly a year and it works as well as my previous XP machine.

Have just bought a linux machine and am considering trying to find a cheap deal on a Mac mini just to have my fingers in each operating system pie

[kgonepostl]

Built my rig with a 9800gso and a 19 inch 5ms lcd monitor under 300. You don't get that with a mac. Oh ya, btw both are now intel and there's a linux bootloader that allows you to install mac.

quadboot running for me.

Windows xp, vista, osx, and obuntu

3-0-0 d-o-l-l-a-r-s

[tarunrad]

which OS do you like best ?

[kgonepostl]

Mac os of course. I own a pimp ass mac for 300 bucks and mac users are so jealous that they give me thumbs down

Mindless drones....

[ninjai1984]

I find $300 hard to believe...

[jojokant]

If only macs were suitable for gaming and they wouldn't have to be twice as expensive for the same specs.. I would switch to mac.

I bought a new pc and it came with vista, I'd rather have XP instead

[tommysch]

I dont get it either, if you have a recent computer there is no reason not to use Vista. The only thing is that you need a little SKILL, disable UAC and tune it a little and it work like a charm, i even prefer it to my FC9 or Ubuntu VMs. I run a Q6600 @ 3.6Ghz, 4GB ram, 2x 9800GTX+ and a lot of HDDs on Vista Ultimate x64. My PC cost me about one third of a comparable mac, since they now use same PC hardware. MAC are overhyped and expensive home decoration piece.

[knoose]

I don't understand why Vista is so bad?? I run tons of design software, play most of the newest intense games like Crisis and run things with no issues and the operating system is so reliable. If something does happen good ol Ctrl Alt Delete will bring up the task manager INSTANTLY no matter how deep the freeze is, and then 'end program' really does end it. Maybe its cause i do have 4 gigs, but im only running dual core, 3.4 Who knows....

[Bob1agis]

Because it's microsoft. How about dat Linux!

[Mercury888]

because Macs are for good looking people with lives. And PCs are just for nerd types.

[jesusthejr]

No? I'm an artist and I run Windows Vista

[marki9997]

You can play any pc games on mac with boot camp which lets you run windows on a mac

[steveandant]

windows vista has mac in it.. all you people say vista sucks but it really doesnt, it just dont have the drivers (YET) IT JUST CAME OUT! yea yea apple does blow it away but vista is still good

[Pseudowhis]

Vista is a year old already and older than Leopard (which runs great already). Though I will give you credit because a lot of the original problems with vista have already been solved, but a lot of people still find it frustrating.

[knoose]

You cant casually say, 'i love mac'

...but only if you don't play games...

or run any major software...

What else do you do on your computer besides

running an internet browser and some

editing software...

It just really doesn't make sense.

They have amazing marketing

and advertising.

[mykeman83]

i play games on my mac (on mac os x leopard). actually i started getting interested in computer games after i bought my 20" imac. The display is so clear and big that i imagined games like halo to be running on it. I tried it and it worked. Any games/apps can play on a mac but its up to you to choose whether u want to wait(u might not need to wait) for the mac versions to come out or just get a windows version and run it through bootcamp or virtual software. I guess; its the best of both worlds.

[flashback1234]

you can also use crossovermac. I`m planning to switch to mac too. But I don`t now how well overcrossmac will work. And I don`t know if I would really like it because if it`s incompatibility.

[Ryguy1450]

you can run widows on a mac via parallels or bootcamp.

[flashback1234]

yeah I know but if I only gonna run windows I better can buy a windows laptop because their a lot cheaper!

[Mercyless1233]

but will it run better? MBP was named the best Vista machine :S. it kicked alien ware 0-0

[bluefisch200]

Switch to Linux

[mikedub1219]

ahh, the peacemaker

[Bob1agis]

Fuck Bill Gates!!

Long live the original!!

[stouffer88]

I don't understand the Bill Gates bashing all the time. He's was the ceo, but he doesn't actually code anything or play a part in making the OS. Also he retired so now you really can't blame him for anything

[adler234639]

What i sould have of said is you have NO place talking good about Mac, or PC inless you have owned almost EVERY OS made.

BSD, Linus, Mac, Microsoft.

If you want to go Mac you will loose ALMOST EVERY virus made, you will also loose ALMOST EVERY game, and all other apps.

THE ONLY THING MAC RUNS WELL IS BOOTCAMP!

Once Vista has support for SQL, and other software everything will be fine.

The only reason Mac hasn't dies is because of Microsoft's help, and Itunes.

[inchaoswetrust]

You're clueless adler, absolutely clueless.

[adler234639]

First of all NO OS will rule this world for all time. but Mac software WILL NOT take over the PC market. that is the fact END. Microsoft may go out of busiess 1 day, but this is not that day.

On that 4G vs 2G of RAM,both Mac, and PC use a 32-bit of (inless you buy the 64-bit) most computers sold come with a 32-but OS.

If you are running a 32-bit Os the computer can only use 3G of ram it is the way the kernel only supports up to 3G of RAM.

[qpzy]

MⓐCS ⓑLOW ⓒOCK

[vahnx1337]

Just to let you know, Macs are PC's...

[timg455]

LOL, good one. I almost thought you were serious for a second!

[vahnx1337]

Many people say Macs are the best PC's to run windows. PC stands for personal computer you fucktard. GTFO the internet.

[timg455]

You obviously know nothing about the history of home computers. You get off the internet and read a book or something if you can't learn about it while surfing it.

[ieatwiteoutforfun]

KEVIN KEVIN KEVIN

[Pseudowhis]

lol

[existentialvoid]

if macs didn't cost so much more for so much less - then I would consider it.

If Mac was not so secretive with their code so that games could build for the platform rather then go through a drawn out licencing process and games actually decided to repay the shit they take from Apple and ran their games - then I may switch back.

But between the iron fist that is the mac code and the massive overpricing per gig - its going to be awhile before I switch.

[timg455]

You wanna talk about game development, mac games use OpenGL for games and widows games use microsfts proprietary DirectX. End of fucking story. Microsft won't even make directx10 for xp forcing users to upgrade to their newest pile of shit.

[staticxmako]

or u could get xp 64 bit os noob! typical mac noob all that dx10 is taking advantange of ur 64 bit cpu and the operating systyem has to be 64 bit to so stfu noob mac cunt go edit a file

[timg455]

Yea except 64 bit xp is fucking garbage. Compared to my fully 64 bit os x. That still doesn't change anything about dx10.

[staticxmako]

what the fuck are u talking about ur fully 64 os dude u prob dont evne have a 64 bit cpu fag what is urs? u using a genaric os fag?

[timg455]

I have a macbook pro with leopard you moron. Just stfu you have proven your stupidity.

[Strathycruise]

I seriously considered moving to Mac last year but bought a new PC with XP on it. Main reason is the apps I use arent on Mac (FL Studio, Audition, Vegas) and although there are alternatives it would be a pain.

[timg455]

What are you talking about I can run everyone of those apps.

[Strathycruise]

Natively or via emulation? Suppose Apple did have to go and start using PC CPU's so it shouldnt be too much of a chore.

[timg455]

Yes natively you dumb fuck its called windows.

[NathanCharrois]

When I got my Mac i wasn't so sure of it but now I hate using windows. Expose is the most useful thing that I've ever used, that reason alone was enough to convince me.

For people who want to switch but like Gaming there are two solutions:

1. Install Windows on your mac

2. Buy a console. PC gaming is dead

[jonro100]

I have 4 GB of RAM in my iMac and personally believe that there is a big performance boost of 2 GB of RAM. I can do work, listen to music and rip a DVD (my own) at the same time without any slowdown.

[Pseudowhis]

I may add that part of the question next week, or you could catch the episode. lol.

[vinicaoro]

ubuntu, faster and free, much better than mac or windows

[jjsonp]

just switched to Ubuntu at home (and back to XP from Vista at work). i'll never pay money for a home OS again.

[vahnx1337]

I never paid for an OS in my life. ThePirateBay is where it's all at. If you pay for software you're a loser.

[kizzkus]

if your such a geek and downlodes your OS, you gotta get out and get a life.

[vahnx1337]

Yes I am, along with all the other 50,000 people that are sharing a copy of Vista over The Pirate Bay, XD.

[k00ltube]

In fact i'll let apple use my motto. "Macs: for users who don't know what they are doing."

[timg455]

PC's for those zombies who can't think and just continue to use what they have been.

[k00ltube]

i wish more clueless users would switch to the mac. then they wouldn't come to me to fix it for them. i don't like the mac but let's face it people who don't know what they are doing should be using the mac.

[SamanthaClancy]

You can't possibly understand why Mac OS X is better until you commit to using it for awhile. You might think XP is OK, but you don't know. I use OS X in my life, but I have to use XP in my work, and so many things I do are much more difficult, more convoluted, and more time-consuming with XP.

[chexee]

since when has patrick norton looked so clean

[dugieman]

can someone send me a message telling me what channel this is on.  i have cox cable and i dont see this show on G4. anyone know

[SmokingCannon]

It's not a channel on TV.  It's a video netcast (podcast) and you can download it if you follow the link in the notes.

[gangr33n1]

i have tried both and i am happier with ubuntu/linux mint that with either of them. plus you get even more i candy that mac can offer for free.

[vahnx1337]

Ya but Ubuntu is very unstable and don't get my started on video playback with compiz. Not to mention wireless sucks in Ubuntu and it's slower than XP.

[carnagerpm]

sorry but XP ownz all even with its faults

[timg455]

Yea it owns at getting infected.

[vahnx1337]

I have a machine with XP Vista and Ubuntu, and XP is the most stable and I don't run anti-virus and I don't get viruses.. you just suck at using computers if you get infected with anything.

[timg455]

Your full of shit.  It's just been slow god damn slow/infected from day one you couldn't tell a difference.

[vahnx1337]

You suck ass with computers.

[timg455]

Umm ok, please explain.

[vahnx1337]

You think all Windows XP computers are infected from day one? What kinda retard explanation is that? You only get infected if you run exe's from shady sources, or if you don't know how to tell if a file is infected or not. Therefore since you get infected from day one, you suck ass with computers because I haven't gotten a virus since '05.

[geneticlone]

I have to agree with kevin its an amazing computer I am developing software on it now and it is so great to get away from this whole vista and xp craze its just too much work defending all the flaws of windows and keeping shit software off of it. I have my 360 and ps3 for gaming. My mac for work and entertainment and when Gates is gone windows will start disappearing with him like it should.

[billistics]

Buy and Xbox for games, do computer stuff on a mac.

[theantirobot]

good old cross promotion. They are growing an empire.

[Alcorr]

Vista really isn't as bad as they say it is. I have had a vista box for 9 months now and its a very stable and usable operating system if you know what you are doing...

[Adila01]

Unfortunately you represent a minority. I know of at least 4 people that have Vista and only one of them is not having problems while the other three are either going back to XP or switching to Ubuntu

[p1volkl]

Which episode is that?

[DevBlazed]

fuck mac...

[cory849]

Mac's are great! so long as you never want to game again...

[Dboy64]

No I disagree. If you're a switcher than just installing a partition of windows through bootcamp and you'll be good to go game wise. That's what I did and haven't looked back to the days where I always used Windows. Now I always use Mac. But If I have a game I wanna run then BAM! right over to the Window's partition.

[cory849]

Windows XP already let's me do everything I want. Now that MacIntosh's are Intel chip based, apples ARE their operating system. I love that the answer to this is always "just buy windows too!". No thanks. I think I'll just buy windows. Works great.

[ieatwiteoutforfun]

Or you could just install Windows on your mac. Problem solved.

[cantyoureadmoron]

I think that defeats the point since users are switching to the mac to avoid the operating system that is windows... ie. microsoft should start again :P

[charleygordonFFA]

LOL Patrick looks like such a dork.

[urbieta]

I showed this compiz video to a stupid mac head the other day, he was like .ohh yeah! SPACES! WTF?!?!?! .nooo douchebag! that is LINUX and you can only dream of having it all in a dumb mac!

[LAmezq3984]

ORRRRRR, you can install that compiz Linux on your mac with Windows as well. Why worry about having certain features when you can have them all?

[ligyro]

Not sure what vista bugs they're talking about. I've had this computer for 2 weeks now and haven't had a problem yet

[k23smiles]

i saw in less than a two months, you will have a list of problems.

[ligyro]

why would the longer i have the computer make any difference?

[k23smiles]

oh...you'll see the bugs within tow months. there is no doubt about it.

[timg455]

More time for fuckups to happen you idiot. You think since you are good for 14 days it's bug free...

[diversq]

wow a whole two weeks. You must be totally safe then. lol

[vacuum2440]

I made the switch to mac about 8 months ago and IMO it is a a whole lot better than vista and xp which I used to use before . Every time I am forced to use windows, more specifically windows vista, I find that the operating system is far too complicated and annoying in comparison to OS X and within 5 minutes I become very frustrated...and this is coming from someone who is well versed with computers

[mattkhoury]

this guy on the right has no clue what he's talking about...

[geneticlone]

the guy on the right is a developer of digg so stfu...

[LAmezq3984]

he is the CREATOR of Digg. However he doesn't develop the site. he has people that do that. Kevin Rose knows what he's talking about. He has a history of tech hosting. Tech TV and now with the channel he also started Revision 3.

[ericdano]

Not true about Quicken. WTF.......

[elfchimp]

Pathetic! grown men dressing and talking like children.

[BaderFTW]

Go suck Bill Gates dick and stop posting stupid comments, troll

[Terasiel]

Well, it's about that time for someone to hate another generation for not draining their personality into the pool of monotony and despair that is "adulthood." As long as you're happy being angry that there are people that don't give up on entertainment technology when they're over 18, then it's just you're loss of livelihood and their gain of a hopeful future.

[DopeEd]

and you're probably a grown man talking shit on the internet

[ligyro]

You're 35. how are you any different? you sound a bit juvenile to me

[azntzouie]

Running Windows XP via Boot Camp on my Macbook Pro results in a PC software compatible machine and a wonderful gaming experience.

Keyphrase: Windows XP.