@Kal50BMG Oh mein Gott. Oh mein Gott. Das hast Du jetzt nicht ernst gemeint. Auch wenn das nur ein Schwerz war schlimm genug, darüber macht man absolut keine Schwerze und wenn es ernst gemeint war tust du mir verdammt leid.
@TheMusician36 Du mußt mal Deinen Finger operieren lassen, die Kuppe ist zu brweit! (Oder sind die Tasten zu klein?) ;-) Ansonsten haste natürlich vollkommen recht.
@HierKommtMicha haha zu brweit :D ich glaube eher ich habe zu kleine tasten (Laptop), ich habe ziemlich dünne finger... und ich habs schnell geschrieben ;)
Doesn't mean serving the Soviets nor being traitors in the East German army, no matter what they(Soviets) paid you or promised you! Ask some of these people von Lenski, etc or their relatives that question!
Perhaps you know just "friends", which you must pay. And perhaps you can not imagine that people can actually start to think about. But therefore you must bother the people with your strange worldview? Maybe you can say what you mean by a traitor - that's very interesting!
@HierKommtMicha o cmon the soviets were just as bad as the nazis the only difference is they won der kreig. So whatever you think of the regime fine but serving the soviets in this way did nothing to help their fellow german soldiers. You think the Russians had any interest in letting these captured officers think? Or for that matter in a free germany? Paulus sang stalins tune even though he knew the russians had wiped 90% of them out. They were traitors despite the Nazis.
@HierKommtMicha What you also seem to forget is that Allies were at war with the german nation not just the nazis. Using the logic that modern germany employs when denying that people like Hans Oster were traitors. If my country is at war and I find fault with there cause as a soldier I am able to betray our plans to the enemy at the cost of many of my soldiers lives and i would not be a traitor. Wonder how the us people would have felt to their soldiers helpng the iraqis out?
@HierKommtMicha This whole idea of men like Canaris being heros rather than traitors is all really about the germans feeling guilty that the nazis were supported. Realise that support only existed through the use of mass propaganda and lies. Therefore the Allies idea of collective guilt was absurd. The germans were also victims of the nazis.
"Comrades . . since I became aware that Hitlers war would lead Germany to catastrophe . . I have . . taken up the fight to free our homeland from Hitler . . . your leaders have not taken one step to save you . . Convince your comrades . . of an energetic defiance against the Hitler war. Leave Hitlers army . . This is the only way to force an end to the war. I can only give you one good piece of advice: cease hostilities and come over to the side of the National Committee for a Free Germany."
Kameraden, ich habe zur Fahne Hitlers gestanden, solange ich der Hitler-Propaganda vom Weltfeind Bolschewismus geglaubt habe. Aber als ich erkannt hatte, daß Hitlers Krieg Deutschland in die Katastrophe führt und daß die Sowjetrussen nicht anders tun und tuen wollen, als ihr Vaterland gegen den Kriegsbrandstifter Hitler zu verteidigen, habe ich mit Leidenschaft den Kampf zur Befreiung unsres Vaterlandes von Hitler und seiner tyrannischen Kriegspartei aufgenommen.
Tja, einer der wenigen, die genau erkannten, welches Problem die Welt hat:
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Feudalismus und das Motto: Geld stinkt nicht.
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Die Cousins von Einsiedel haben sich ja vor noch nicht langer Zeit wegen der Pecunien geprügelt....
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Er war im Grunde der einzige anständige Kerl in dieser Familie Bismark....
12Medici 6 months ago
Kal50BMG: Eine braune Ratte bleibt auch eine, selbst wenn sie - so wie Du - sich moralisch gibt.
Kann Dir meine Antwort leider nicht direkt zukommen lassen; vielleicht, weil Dein Kanal (seltsam, seltsam) nicht verfügbar ist.
HierKommtMicha 8 months ago
Ein Verräter bleibt ein Verräter, auch wenn es mit guter Absicht geschieht.
Kal50BMG 8 months ago
@Kal50BMG Oh mein Gott. Oh mein Gott. Das hast Du jetzt nicht ernst gemeint. Auch wenn das nur ein Schwerz war schlimm genug, darüber macht man absolut keine Schwerze und wenn es ernst gemeint war tust du mir verdammt leid.
TheMusician36 5 months ago
@TheMusician36 *scherz
TheMusician36 5 months ago
@TheMusician36 Du mußt mal Deinen Finger operieren lassen, die Kuppe ist zu brweit! (Oder sind die Tasten zu klein?) ;-) Ansonsten haste natürlich vollkommen recht.
HierKommtMicha 5 months ago
@HierKommtMicha haha zu brweit :D ich glaube eher ich habe zu kleine tasten (Laptop), ich habe ziemlich dünne finger... und ich habs schnell geschrieben ;)
TheMusician36 5 months ago
Doesn't mean serving the Soviets nor being traitors in the East German army, no matter what they(Soviets) paid you or promised you! Ask some of these people von Lenski, etc or their relatives that question!
tmc110 2 years ago
Perhaps you know just "friends", which you must pay. And perhaps you can not imagine that people can actually start to think about. But therefore you must bother the people with your strange worldview? Maybe you can say what you mean by a traitor - that's very interesting!
HierKommtMicha 2 years ago
@HierKommtMicha o cmon the soviets were just as bad as the nazis the only difference is they won der kreig. So whatever you think of the regime fine but serving the soviets in this way did nothing to help their fellow german soldiers. You think the Russians had any interest in letting these captured officers think? Or for that matter in a free germany? Paulus sang stalins tune even though he knew the russians had wiped 90% of them out. They were traitors despite the Nazis.
12from12 2 years ago
@12from12 call the guy a traitor if you must, he's a hero in my book.
popol321 1 year ago
@HierKommtMicha What you also seem to forget is that Allies were at war with the german nation not just the nazis. Using the logic that modern germany employs when denying that people like Hans Oster were traitors. If my country is at war and I find fault with there cause as a soldier I am able to betray our plans to the enemy at the cost of many of my soldiers lives and i would not be a traitor. Wonder how the us people would have felt to their soldiers helpng the iraqis out?
12from12 2 years ago
@HierKommtMicha This whole idea of men like Canaris being heros rather than traitors is all really about the germans feeling guilty that the nazis were supported. Realise that support only existed through the use of mass propaganda and lies. Therefore the Allies idea of collective guilt was absurd. The germans were also victims of the nazis.
12from12 2 years ago
danke, das erste video in der playlist das ohne urteil einfach nur dokumentarisch gezeigt wurde
Ibikyo1 2 years ago
Von wann ist denn diese Aufnahme genau? Und von wo wurde das gesendet?
hwalle007 2 years ago
Kann ich nicht genau sagen. So ca. zwischen 1942 und 1944, gesendet von sowjetischem Gebiet aus.
HierKommtMicha 2 years ago
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I16RATA 2 years ago
ROT FRONT!
RedLiquor 2 years ago
Super Dokumentation!
Danke, Micha
Rot Front!
Linker1973 2 years ago
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mentetia 3 years ago
"Comrades . . since I became aware that Hitlers war would lead Germany to catastrophe . . I have . . taken up the fight to free our homeland from Hitler . . . your leaders have not taken one step to save you . . Convince your comrades . . of an energetic defiance against the Hitler war. Leave Hitlers army . . This is the only way to force an end to the war. I can only give you one good piece of advice: cease hostilities and come over to the side of the National Committee for a Free Germany."
mentetia 3 years ago
Kameraden, ich habe zur Fahne Hitlers gestanden, solange ich der Hitler-Propaganda vom Weltfeind Bolschewismus geglaubt habe. Aber als ich erkannt hatte, daß Hitlers Krieg Deutschland in die Katastrophe führt und daß die Sowjetrussen nicht anders tun und tuen wollen, als ihr Vaterland gegen den Kriegsbrandstifter Hitler zu verteidigen, habe ich mit Leidenschaft den Kampf zur Befreiung unsres Vaterlandes von Hitler und seiner tyrannischen Kriegspartei aufgenommen.
5*****
grummeper 3 years ago 2
ROTFRONT!
Viele Grüße an den Micha aus Jena, vom Micha aus Schweden :)
I16RATA 3 years ago
Alter Schwede!!!
HierKommtMicha 3 years ago
ROTFRONT !!!!!!!!!
WE COME BACK !!!!!
gandesas 3 years ago
We ARE back!!!
HierKommtMicha 3 years ago
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multitainer 2 years ago
wie gut, dass der Mensch lernfähig ist!
Das gibt für die Zukunft Hoffnung.
linkefrau 3 years ago