So...she only has to obey the laws she agrees with? And should everyone behave in this manner? I want to call her ignorant, but she knows that she's simply a criminal.
So...she only has to obey the laws she agrees with? And should everyone behave in this manner? I want to call her ignorant, but she knows that she's simply a criminal.
So...she only has to obey the laws she agrees with? And should everyone behave in this manner? I want to call her ignorant, but she knows that she's simply a criminal.
What a foolishness woman! This video is exhibit #1 for prosecution. I feel sorry for her kids - no inheritance because of their ignorant mom. She rambles incoherently refering to the bill of rights but ignoring 16th amendment which makes income tax just as constitutional as amendments 1-10. True Christians pay their taxes like Jesus paid His, "When they arrived at Capernaum, the tax men came to Peter and asked, "Does your teacher pay taxes?" Peter said, "Of course." Matt 17:24-25 Message.
taxes belong onto the value of land/sites and privilege - Adam Smith, Henry George. If the public collects the publicly created value of sites/location, then corporate America will pay its fair share and the people witll enjoy a citizens dividend. web wealthandwant . com
Don't bother with the Constitutional arguement because thats been tried at nausium Wesley Snipes is doing 10 yrs right now. You need to render unto Caesar what is Caesars Even Jesus paid his taxes and thats recorded in the Gospels If you want to be a part of this Constitution and enjoy its liberties then you have to pay your taxes. Get a lawyer to settle the tax amount and go on with your life with your children You're a mother, you don't have time to fight the US Govt.
@JesusNonEnviromental Show me where "Jesus paid his taxes." You cannot. Read you Bible yourself and stop listening to what others tell you is in there for starters. Also, I am not interested in being a part of "this Constitution". Why do you worship the state? That is idolatry.
@missliberty7 Matthew Chapter 17 verses 24 thru 27. Tribute to the kings in those days As American citizens we are bound to the laws of the Constitution unless you've denounced your citizenship and if thats the case you would now be an illegal alien Now you don't have to pay taxes Freedom is not liberty to do as one pleases, thats called Sodom and Gomorrah Laws are needed to keep your freedoms from affecting my freedoms
@JesusNonEnviromental "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" was NOT an endorsement of taxation. The Bible already plainly spelled out that everything in the heavens and earth belonged to God. Basically, Jesus was saying to give to Caesar what is Caesar's, knowing full well that the wealth of the people did not belong to Caesar (also see "Thou Shalt Not Steal"), but if he had come right out and said that, he would have been executed. It was a crafty statement that the intellectuals understood.
@DougKendall Someone needs to go back to Sunday School The bible teachers to pray for those in Authority and God sets up the governments (kingdoms) and kings, I Peter Chapter 2: 13 - 17 If a government asks you to sin then of course you're not obliged to sin, but asking you to pay taxes is not a sin
Men would rather part with their life before they part with their money. Pay your taxes as Jesus did in Matthew Chapter 17 when he payed Tribute to Ceasar
@JesusNonEnviromental Government doesn't ask; it forcibly takes. That is what we call theft--something strictly forbidden by the Bible. And if you stand in the way, you are kidnapped, beaten or murdered--also forbidden. Get a clue. If I pay tribute, it is a voluntary act of respect.
She makes one critical error when she says, "Under the Constitution, we are free people." No, we aren't. The Constitution laid the foundation for this national slavery system of government.
@missliberty7 you think you have it tough. try being a left-libertarian/market socialist whose trying to speak to an audience of people who think Ron Paul is mild. :(
@hazeywolf There is nothing "fair" about taxation, especially when the "fair" tax would set into motion a 23% tax rate and give "prebates" (wealth redistribution)! If Russian countries can get by on a 13% tax--and our economy is more robust than theirs--we can surely get by on much less (until we can abolish taxation, altogether, that is).
@kubush Get a life. It looks like you just want argue with people on here. Hey Mr. know it all 100% of the income tax that does get collected goes to the families that own the federal reserve bank. All other taxes goes for everything else. There isn't 1 god damn thing federal about the federal reserve. IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN A FUCKING BANK. ALL INTEREST PAID TO THIS 1 BANK FOR THEM ISSUEING BANK NOTES AS OUR CURRENCY = THE INCOME TAX. Not 1 single person is obligated to pay this income tax.
@Liberty309 Why are you arguing? Looks like you just want to argue. Get a life. Please learn something about econ. All the interest paid to the Fed goes back to the U.S. Treasury. Morons like you have tried contesting the Constitutionality of the income tax in courts and time after time they have failed.
@kubush I guess that makes Ron Paul a moron too because he pretty much states the same thing. Everything I said in my statement is a fact. LeftLiberalSoCal knows what he's talking about. You might know a few things about econ. but you sure don't know your history. I suggest you do more research on this subject. Oh and by the way the supreme court has ruled on 3 seperate occasions that that amendment DOES NOT give the goverment any more taxing powers than what they had before, MORON.
“The Sixteenth Amendment declares that Congress shall have power to levy and collect taxes on income, ‘from whatever source derived’ without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration. It was not the purpose or the effect of that amendment to bring any new subject within the taxing power. Congress already had the power to tax all incomes.
Sure, pay no taxes as long as you don't use any of the things that taxes pay for, including roads, police protection, national defense, government representation, or public schools. I have a feeling the last one was one you never took much advantage of.
The key word is (notice) just notice them back, I got one like that, after 9 years we are on the 14th notice on each word, they sent me, the way I see it I have hundred more years of notices to go.
Check out free man on the land with Robert Menard. Also "Slavery by Consent" and "Traffic Ticket Tripper" also Marc Stevens.
You are a human being and also a "person" established when your birth certificate was submitted (everyone since the US bankruptcy in 1933). You can abandon that SSN or SIN number. You need to learn the law and keep learning. I've just taken the red pill and I'm learning as fast as I can.
Abortions aren't tax funded. Taxes are required for all sorts of public services. Everyone has to pay their fair share. Please don't compare taxes to "tyrannical oppression" or "slavery". That is utter nonsense. Do you consider military protection oppression? How about public libraries, schools, firefighters, policeman, paved roads, space exploration, consumer protection, public health funding, etc.?
Michelle, I seriously advise you to read "Cracking the Code, by Perter E. Hendrickson, or go to Lost Horizons. Com
There is no reason you should chance jail time, when most Americans have no legal liability to pay "income" tax. Learn the legal definitions of the terms "Income, "wages", "employer", "employee", "trade or business", etc.
I got the IRS to admit, IN WRITTING, I received no "income" (as defined by law).
@beingjohngalt1 Oh please. Many American's don't pay federal income tax, not because there is some sort of loophole, but because they don't earn enough and have enough deductions as to not owe anything. If you make enough money then you are very much liable. Please don't give out advice that will land ppl in jail.
Your ARE legally required to pay your taxes... do no be fooled by the uneducated. Write to me and I will connect you to the law itself... YouTube will not let me post a link here.
@screemingbison You mean you are illegally required. Get out of fear and you will see the other side. We need to stop entangling ourselves with all of this. And stop paying t-xes out of fear. You should pay it out of patriocism... right !
@sickasso72 No I meant what I said. Your arguments are futile as you obviously not familiar with the law, and you are not willing to look at it either. I can clearly see the law I spoke of, but you simply cannot show me why I should disobey the law, except that you say I am fearful. REALITY: I am not fearful as I no longer live in the USA; I have nothing to lose; nothing to be afraid of. Unfortunately, the law is what it is. I simply implore you to study history and how the law came to be.
@kubush Thats the type of typical reply expected from the media fed, over-educated brainwashed people I always hear. I want to thank(YOU) for helping to propagate the lies and fear, and protecting the elite. I'm sure they appreciate it. Stay asleep my friend, sleepiness is your identity .
@sickasso72 First, I'd rather be "over" educated (what ever that means) than under educated like you apparently are. I'm not brainwashed, I just know and understand the law. I understand the necessity of public works and the need to finance them. You on the other hand sound like some uneducated red neck that fears anything with the word "official" in it. Taxes help the poor and middle class...and who pays the most taxes...the so called elite. Fool.
@kubush The premise of taxes are sound. I can understand being a member of society and paying for things like roads, bridges etc that we all use. So I can understand paying 1-2% of my paycheck for these things. But we don't. We pay around 40% (Federal and state). That IS a form a slavery. You are being forced to work against your will to pay a totalitarian entity (the IRS) for 4-5 months out the year.Not to mention 90% of the taxes go to paying the interest on the national debt.That is SLAVERY.
@LeftLiberalSoCal Half of the U.S. population doesn't even pay federal income taxes. The amount of taxes required for the services that our population demands may be more than we would like but it is ridiculous to characterize that as "SLAVERY". Maybe if you sold yourself to ACTUAL slavery you then might get humbled and not mis-use the word in such a way.
@kubush "Half of the U.S. population"? You're lumping everyone into one number (unemployed,children,disabled)! The overwhelming majority of working people DO/ARE forced to pay taxes. The constitution provided taxes are for CORPORATE GAINS and TARIFFS. In 1913 the rich put there corporate taxes on the backs of employees. Taxes today are an of evolution slavery. Think about it, You work 4-5 months FOR FREE under threat of an iron fist and duress. That is the very definition of a slave.
@LeftLiberalSoCal "You work 4-5 months FOR FREE" It is not like that money is going straight to some corp fat cats. It is used to pay for the roads you drive, the schools you send you kids to, the social security that your old folks are living off of, the military which protects your freedoms, etc. So yes, you have a duty to pay your fair share for the services that you and everyone else uses. And if you don't pay your fair share, that ultimately amounts to stealing. So NO! Taxes is not slavery!
@kubush Ignorant! Ignorant! The GAS TAX ALONE pays for the roads we drive! Schools are paid for by PROPERTY TAXES! SOCIAL SECURITY is paid for by YOU! The military is OVER-BLOATED! "Protecting freedom" is patriotic sheep propaganda to gain public support! Does New Zealand need a bloated global military empire to protect it's freedom? What about Iceland? 90% of your taxes go to pay INTEREST ON THE NATIONAL DEBT. The "fair share" explanation is pure propaganda to give taxes moral justification!
@LeftLiberalSoCal "SOCIAL SECURITY is paid for by YOU!" YEAH! THROUGH TAXES! You said 4-5 mo. goes to the government and now you are naming off these different taxes that you all of a sudden want to exempt. Gas tax is a tax. Property taxes is a tax. The national debt argument is redundant considering the debt is created by paying for services we want. Ignorance indeed!
@kubush The system in place today is a direct violation of the Constitution. So are private property taxes. I promise we could have everything and more - defense,infrastructure,Healthcare, Social Security, even a Space Program - with proper fiscal policy and negligible taxes. 90% of your taxes this April 2011 are FEDERAL RESERVE INTEREST. What does that tell you? Please stop listening to the crowd and pick up a book. It kills me how ignorant people are on this subject!
@LeftLiberalSoCal Where are you getting these figures from? Even according to right-wing bias sources the interest on our national debt would cost us HALF our FEDERAL INCOME taxes by the year 2020! You know what that tells me? That you are either ignorant or a liar.
The declaration would be NET income generated from investments, not like she said. She is talking about having made 1.5 mil. in profit even if that's only the total amount UP that she was at all. 60K is enough income to be taxed heavily. She is wrong by her own facts and is mis-stating how taxes are calculated. She should avoid buying clothing or jewelry or using a car if this is a matter of speaking with her dollars because those items are bathed in blood as much as the government's actions.
The declaration would be NET income generated from investments, not like she said. She is talking about having made 1.5 mil. in profit even if that's only the total amount UP that she was at all. 60K is enough income to be taxed heavily. She is wrong by her own facts and is mis-stating how taxes are calculated. She should avoid buying clothing or jewelry or using a car if this is a matter of speaking with her dollars because those items are bathed in blood as much as the government's actions.
New Testament, Matthew,24,30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of a man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
NT, Matt,25,32: "All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the nations one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats." watch?v=heWGNiy1vSA
Hey MEN, Freedom Loving Men, take Notice here - We The People, need to Stand together in solidarity with this brave Woman, All of Us, Men & Women need to stand together and Say NO to the IRS & The federal government Criminals. This is how they will begin to erode & crumble, when enough people start to say NO you will NOT Steal my money any more and NO I am NOT Afraid of you government goons! We are supposed to be FREE People and we should be FREE to make our Own Choices!
You are gorgeous! ! I recently sat on a criminal jury and saw the corruption in our court system. The law is not allowed in many cases in the courtroom. In the case I was a juror on we were instructed to "judge on the law only and not whether the law is just." This is a violation of the original intent of jury trials by the founders to be a final barrier to protect people from unjust or corrupt laws.
I have been in a few courtrooms and never have I seen justice served. The fact that a decision can be imposed upon your life that is enforced by a gun or threat of poverty when there is no victim is immoral.
Please see "Jury Nullification." Why does the Federal Government not allow supreme court decisions into the courtroom in the lower courts? Why are patriots' petitions for redress not answered as required by the capstone right of the Constitution? Why does the government use intimidation and Gestapo tactics instead of answering the people on the tax issue?
I have checked out your station/page. I can appreciate the fact you call yourself a Christian! Here are some scriptures you may want to look up. Leviticus 25:45 Slavery. Proverbs 11:15 Social Security. Isaiah 52:3 Hosea 14:9. Matt 5:34 Take no oath. Luke 11:52 Lawyers. Luke 22:25 Tax collectors. Romans 9:13 God hated Esau, see also Genisis 25:30-34. Galatians 4 Faith and the law. Ephesians 6:10-20 The enemy. James 4:12 There is only one law giver. Shall I go on?
And if we did get to decide how to spend it, they (congress/senate/Feds) would not be needed in the capacity they feel they are needed. They think themselves to be Crusaders of just causes. I find them to be two faced liar who are greedy and manipulative. They answer to whatever lobby puts up the most Donations, do not kid yourself, these immoral simpletons are as useful as a bucket in a sinking ship. They cannot operate if we do not let them, so lets stop giving them the means to do so.
It does when they are the ones creating new laws. Do you get to vote as to whether or not you get a raise? I know my use of words may appear to be simple, you must forgive me for I was educated in South Carolina. Tax dollars hard at work providing children with Teachers who for the most part are no more educated than the ones they teach.
There is nothing wrong with SC my best friend lives in the "Creek". The education system there is severely flawed, as it is all over America. As far as voting them out, it doesn't matter who is voted in they all bow to big "Lobbying" dollars. The American people have no say especially at the voting booth. My argument is that a very select few (elected officials) campaign on what people want and then decide to act on behalf of those with the most campaign dollars.
"On one hand, the IRS has published numerous authoritative admissions that the federal income tax system is based on voluntary compliance, specifically stating in one admission that the payment of federal income tax is voluntary," said the motion. "Nowhere in these admissions are any exceptions or conditions applied to the term 'voluntary compliance,' nor is any special meaning attached to the word 'voluntary,' which is therefore construed according to its plain meaning."
The assertion that the filing of an income tax return is voluntary is, likewise, frivolous. Title 26, United States Code, Section 6012(a)(1)(A), requires that every individual who earns a threshold level of income must file a tax return. Failure to file an income tax return subjects an individual to criminal penalty.
Hartman was a Florida District court I believe. There is no law anywhere in the IRS code for a mandatory income tax. The Supreme court ruled 5-4 that the 16th was unconstitutional, so the fact that this "law" is based on an Unconstitutional foundation completely denies it validity. There is no way around it. We can argue all day, but the simple fact is that they know it is unconstitutional but that cause a major "headache" so let's put some wording around it to make people think it's legal.
The plain language of the IRC, however, belies this assertion, stating in section 1 that a tax is hereby IMPOSED on the taxable income of every individual (emphasis added). Although plaintiff attempts to distinguish between imposing a tax and creating a liability for a tax, there is no difference. Every individual has an affirmative duty to pay taxes.
Justice Harlan stated: When, therefore, this court adjudges, as it does now adjudge, that Congress cannot impose a duty or tax upon personal property, or upon income arising either from rents of real estate or from personal property, including invested personal property, bonds, stocks, and investments of all kinds, except by apportioning the sum to be so raised among the States according to population, it practically decides that, without an amendment of the Constitution —
two-thirds of both Houses of Congress and three-fourths of the States concurring — such property and incomes can never be made to contribute to the support of the national government.[16]
How can it be if the number of states needed to ratify did so illegally. If the 16th was never legally ratified then it is by definition not legal. Just because words reside on paper does not make those words true. The fact is the US has and will do anything in it's power to screw it's people, they prove it every day. If not for the wealth of information now available by the internet, they would walk into your house call you a terrorist and detain you without cause or a lawyer, oh wait they can.
Knox was fraudulent in his statements, therefore it was never legally ratified. Harlan was a Supreme Court Justice. Many of the states either changed or left out the phrase "Tax on Income", many states once finding this out retracted their decisions.
Secretary Knox declared that enough states had ratified the Sixteenth Amendment. The Secretary decision is not transparently defective. We need not decide when, if ever, such a decision may be reviewed in order to know that Secretary Knox decision is now beyond review.
U.S. v. Thomas
WHY DIDN'T THOSE STATES PROTEST THE 'LIE'???
Are you actually claiming that the States 'left out' the one line that the Amendment was about????
Some did, once they found out (while they were on recess) the officials had it turned down, this was in fact after Knox shot his mouth off. Look the point is Taxation and Debt are the best tools for enslavement and they are not going to stop short of throwing the kitchen sink at you if you try and argue. Every one thinks that they are free in this country nd that is simply not so. If you don't believe me I suggest you start perusing all of the laws put in place since 2001.
Google "The Law that never was" then find on youtube Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism". Then think to yourself why would a Corporation such as the Government/ IRS want to give up so much money that they have grown accustomed to. If you can honestly tell me that you are not a slave to Debt and the Almighty dollar then you need to do some real soul searching. We are a species that has much more to live for than 9-5, TV, and War. Yet here we are killing in the name of GOD/money.Truth.
The Seventh Circuit noted that the information compiled in The Law That Never Was has been known since 1913, and the court found that it presented no grounds for invalidating the Sixteenth Amendment.
U.S. v Thomas, 788 F.2d at 1253
Did you read that? EVERYTHING was already known at the time and there was nothing to it..
"America: Freedom to Fascism" is also full of crap.
THAT is the truth, you just don't want to believe it.
In Oklahoma, the legislature changed the wording of the Amendment so that its meaning was virtually the opposite of what was intended by Congress, and this was the version sent back to Knox. Yet Knox counted Oklahoma as approving it, despite a memo from his chief legal counsel, Reuben Clark, that states were not allowed to change it in anyway. You obviously enjoy eating the shit they feed you, so indulge my friend. I am citizen of this Planet, we all are, and yet people still need to be coddled.
I suppose you would be better served if you did your own research. You seem to be ok with taking the Government's word and they are the one's demanding money from you. I did not insult you, you are the one making the choice to agree with self enslavement. You are simply insulting your self. I never promised you anything, but I suppose I could. I promise you that no matter how long you accept and defend your oppressor the more oppressed you become. It is you who is the slave, you can end it.
Hey you are the one defending their criminal actions. I understand that no man has the right to obstruct another man's freewill. Perhaps eating their shit is an insult, but it wouldn't be if you stopped doing it. You would seem to quicker take the Government's word for it than question. That is quite scary, because it leaves you to simply bow down to a master. No one is better than anyone else. A handful of powerful people dominate billions of their fellow man, but because they say its ok?
This should be enough for you; You continue paying your taxes like a good little American and brag to your friends about how patriotic you are for doing so. Then you can remind them as to the real purpose America is here. TO PAY TAXES FOR MEN AND WOMEN TO GO MURDER EACH OTHER. You think you know where your tax dollar goes? Quit being a child, this government looks at you as Resource Consumer, you are nothing more than a # and a way to fill the coffers. Stop insisting that a fraud is law.
says the person with the name RETSQUID. Calling people crazy is what losers do. You only know what people tell you. You seek a truth that is provided as such without really investigating. You are the type of person that needs a blanket and a nap everyday. Good luck to you and the pack you travel in. Calling someone crazy is more dangerous than you really want to find out. Continue hiding behind your screen name and children's menu education.
I am sure it does. I simply sat here and argued with you, and yes if someone says they don't have to pay income tax then that is there decision. My state of mind is fine, but I appreciate your concern. I imagine we can sit here argue all day long and never agree. I would think we both could find a better a use of our time. I have to work on my temper, because it does at times get the best of me. I apologize for my offensive remarks. I wish you well in your endeavors .
You two have been arguing back and forth over ratification, etc. My point was and is that I am a free person and therefore, by definition the owner of my person and property without equivocation.
At one time, slavery was considered lawful, but that didn't make it moral or ethical. My contention is that no person or entity has a right to my mind, my body or my property. Why is that even up for discussion?
Because we do not live in a vacuum. If it wasn't for society you would not have what you do. To support that society you pay taxes.
The laws of all civilized states recognize in every citizen the absolute right to his own earnings, and to the enjoyment of his own property, and the increase thereof, during his life, except so far as the state may require him to contribute his share for public expenses....
Just what exactly do I "have" that was a result of "society"?
If the traffic light were to go out, would you cease to drive because society no longer provided a stop go signal? If society ceased to provide public education, would you stop reading? If society didn't provide healthcare, would you get sick? What you support is a nanny state and I find that abhorrent.
THANK YOU for finally coming around! I am thrilled to see you refer to "rights" as something that we have outside of ourselves but are ours by definition. It took a while, but I couldn't be happier for you. As you know, one of the rights, by definition, of a free person is the right to keep the fruit of one's labor. That is a right by definition and therefore cannot be violated.
@missliberty7 If there were no traffic lights, there would be an enormous jump in traffic accidents and deaths. If we had no public education, those that are poor wouldn't even know how to read let alone read a book. If we don't provide access to healthcare then ppl will suffer and die. Nanny state? No, a human state.
I am not claiming to be a Rosa Parks by any stretch. But then again, my moral code would require me to stand if there was an elderly person needing a seat regardless of color.
Possibly, you may argue that there are ways to combat unjust laws within our system. However, that too fails. It is not until people refuse to participate in the injustices that we see change
Well you put yourself forward as such a smart individual who has done the study, perhaps when you get your head out of the governments A** you will look up the legal definition of LAW! What you say is law is infact code and regulation given the authority of law by the governed, and as such, if the governed do not consent to the authority, they have none! Spew your lies of the Beast, but the people are waking up!
All LAWS are derived from common law, (Gods law) also known as the ten commandments put in place to protect every humanbeings rights! If you infringe on those rights, (injury or damage to person or property) you have broken the law! So yep you sure got me there with the thief scenario, almost, nice try though. Seems you are still missing the FACT that statutes are not law. Statutes have the colour of law, (you know, resemble) and are given the authority of law by the governed.
There are no tax laws as you say, or traffic laws for that matter, they are without question or debate statutes, and authority is given by consent. I pay my taxes, and drive safe as well, I may not agree with it but our masters THREATEN us with jail if we dont! Freedom, what a joke. We are free to do what thy masa say!! Good day!
Blacks Law: a statute is an act of power by the legislature given the authority of law, but in FACT is not law. Where does the legislature get their authority to make acts of power, oh thats right by governed. Perhaps you should buy a LAW dictionary, there is a difference. Of the people, by the people, for the people. They are not just words!
"the term statute is generally applied to all sorts of laws and regulations; every provision of law which ordains, permits, or prohibits anything is a statute without considering from what source it arises. Sometimes the word is used in contradistinction to the imperial Roman law, which, by way of eminence, civilians call the common law."
"The written will of the legislature, solemnly expressed according to the forms prescribed in the constitution"
"LAW, WRITTEN, or lex scripta. This consists of the constitution of the United States the constitutions of the several states the acts of the different legislatures, as the acts of congress, and of the legislatures of the several states, and of treaties. See Statute"
you go girl we are not your slaves goverment we know your criminal roug an illegitiment. we will take this country back. did you know that your tax dollars go directly to off shore banks.
My objections to federal income tax are founded in the belief that as free people we own the rights to the "fruit of our labor." Incidentally, I haven't lied to the federal government; I didn't enter into a contract with it. Why ought I go to jail?
[T]he laws of all civilized states recognize in every citizen the absolute right to his own earnings, and to the enjoyment of his own property, and the increase thereof, during his life, except so far as the state may require him to contribute his share for public expenses....
United States v. Perkins, 163 U.S. 625, 627 (1896).
And in this case, is the "state" Tennessee or the federal government because I am referring to federal income taxes. The reference that cite predates the federal income tax amendment.
Well darling, if you were paying attention, you would know that to what I am referring is federal income tax. I pay I paid over $20K last year in sales and other taxes such as gas tax as well as paid an enormous amount of fees to pay for such things as roads. Don't feel bad that you don't actually have a valid point. It's that case with everyone until they get it, unless like my kids who were born into principled ideology.
There is no law requiring you to pay a Federal Income TAX. Besides 70% of Federal Income Tax goes to the Federal Reserve to pay off the Debt the Government owes the Federal Reserve. State income tax pays for schools,roads,infrastructure, etc.
I didn't ask what the law says, I asked "What is the law in factual terms?" How and where did it originate, what sort of provable relationship exist between it and Michele Seven that would make her obligated to whatever the pages of U.S. code actually say ?
Michele Seven lives in Tennesee, a part of the Uniterd States, therefore the laws of the United States apply to her, including Title 26, the Internal Revenue Code which was passed in 1954 and amended since then.
That Jones is living in some geographic area X which is called Y by Smith and his friends, is not evidence of a legal relation between Jones and Smith.
Niether is the fact Smith and his friends assertions that writing their demands down somehow obligates Jones to obey them.
The 16th was never legally ratified, in the 9000 plus pages of Tax Code the word Income is never defined. Filing is a "Voluntary Compliance". The Supreme court says that Income is not defined as Wage or Labor. If you file then you are agreeing that you are liable. It's pretty simple, file and you are liable, don't file and you are not liable.
The 16th WAS ratified, the word "Income" does not need to BE defined anymore than 'speach' needs to be define in the First Amendment, the courts have defined 'wages' as income, the law makes you liable, not whether you file or not.
Apparently you missed the word "Legally" Retsquid. It was not LEGALLY ratified. "Secretary of State Philander Knox was not merely in error, but committed fraud when he declared it ratified in February 1913." Of the 48 states at that time it would have taken 36 of them to LEGALLY ratify the 16th. Twelve states, besides Tenn. violated provisions in their constitutions. 13-36 is what? Not enough for a legal ratification. When the former IRS Commissioner can't show me the law, then who can.
Excuse me 13-48. not 13-36. None the less continue filing, because if you file then you are saying "Yes I am Liable, please now hold me to this corrupt agreement." You are the only one that can stop a "Forest Fire". And the government has a box full of matches.
The second contention is...the Constitutions of several...states...there are provisions which render inoperative the alleged ratifications by their Legislatures...the function of a state Legislature in ratifying a proposed amendment to the federal Constitution...is a federal function derived from the federal Constitution; and ***it transcends any limitations*** sought to be imposed by the people of a state.
First thanks for proving my point, second; "In Kentucky, the legislature acted on the amendment without having received it from the Governor (the Governor for each state was to transmit the proposed amendment to the state legislature). The version of the amendment that the Kentucky legislature made up and acted upon omitted the words "on income" from the text, so they weren't even voting on income tax, once they straightened it out the rejected it. Yet Knox stil counted it. Seems like a liar2me.
But one day we the people asked our government to Act on an issue on our behalf, in-fact we asked time and again. But we the people allowed the government to bill us. Instead of saying, it is your civic duty to act on our behalf for free, or for honorarium.
Suck it up or move to a country that doesnt have income taxes.
Where on earth are you getting your information? And "suck it up or move to a country...", wow! You are very undereducated. Public school, right? First of all, you need to distinguish between positive and negative rights. Then learn yourself an understanding of revenue and the ways that it may be generated. After and only because this is a chronological list not a priority list, educate yourself on contracts. Last, read the Constitution which is the law of the land.
however to bring such information into this discussion is not only irrelevant but also speaks volumes of your personality.
Your reply sounded like a series of deflections & redirection, supported by an air of superiority and arrogance. Those who argue from this point of view and use antagonism to perpetuate a rebuttal are unlikely to want to entertain a differing opinion.
What "options" did you offer. I don't see any here listed otherwise I would have commented. What I commented on was your suggestion that I go elsewhere if I don't like the rules here. My comment was in line with my claim that such rules don't exist either lawfully or by natural rights. How is that arrogant? I accused you of a public school education because your post was consistent with the BS being propagated.
good luck.. what you need is a website where you can get say a 10 million other people who wont pay tax and all band together as a movement . How would they deal with that. It would be a great protest against paying tax. Interesting that the US Gov. didn't always charge Tax and understand that It had a better economy then too. tax started in 1862 then in 1865 they ended slavery seems like they had a more economical way to enslave people, by taxing them. The best slave is one who thinks he's free
The IRS is *very* unlikely to throw you in prison just for not paying. It's much easier for them to just levy all your assets, leave you broke, and forget about you. They usually won't bother trying to prosecute unless they can prove you willfully evaded. e.g. doing things like hiding your assets so they can't take them, etc.
Pay your taxes as Jesus said to. Obviously he didn't like everything that the Romans did but he still said to pay them as they look after the place.
People like to bitch about the government and taxes until they need something from the government. You think the military keeps the US safe for free? You want teachers to teach your kids for free? Stop sponging off honest taxpayers and pay your fair share.
LOL..You think ONE DIME you are ROBBED of goes to paying for anything? Your tax check is made out to who-the IRS. It's deposited into the Federal Reserve that is owned by international bankers. You are paying international bankers interest on the debt. For all intensive purpose they own this country and YOU. You are a slave and don't even know it. and the IRS is your masters enforcer. Read CRACKING THE CODE. Educate yourself and WAKE UP FROM THE MATRIX
I think you are getting mixed up. The IRS is run by the Treasury department not the Federal reserve. Henry Paulson is with the Treasury dept. and Ben Bernanke is with the Federal Reserve. Taxes go to the government which also pays the military budget (Federal Reserve does not run the military either). You seem to think that there is a big conspiracy and that everything should be free but your taxes do actually pay for things you use. This woman is trying to scam the system.
Uhm...How am I a slave if I have never paid federal income taxes? I know that you are excited, but try not to shoot the messenger- especially when she is on your side.
I and those who I hire directly "teach" my kids; I am not interested in funding abortion and murder- why are you? and Jesus NEVER said to pay taxes. Go back and actually read the Word for yourself instead of listening to some crackpot give a sermon that is entirely misguided.
missliberty, michelleseven, If you're the same person this is to both of you. First you need to understand the law as it applies to the federal income tax.For this you need Pete Hendricksons book "Cracking the Code-The fascinating truth about taxation in America". Do NOT hire a lawyer unless they are familiar with this book. Don't wait for the IRS to do what they will, they will do the worst they can.
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So...she only has to obey the laws she agrees with? And should everyone behave in this manner? I want to call her ignorant, but she knows that she's simply a criminal.
MrNewbufalo 1 month ago
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So...she only has to obey the laws she agrees with? And should everyone behave in this manner? I want to call her ignorant, but she knows that she's simply a criminal.
MrNewbufalo 1 month ago
So...she only has to obey the laws she agrees with? And should everyone behave in this manner? I want to call her ignorant, but she knows that she's simply a criminal.
MrNewbufalo 1 month ago
What a foolishness woman! This video is exhibit #1 for prosecution. I feel sorry for her kids - no inheritance because of their ignorant mom. She rambles incoherently refering to the bill of rights but ignoring 16th amendment which makes income tax just as constitutional as amendments 1-10. True Christians pay their taxes like Jesus paid His, "When they arrived at Capernaum, the tax men came to Peter and asked, "Does your teacher pay taxes?" Peter said, "Of course." Matt 17:24-25 Message.
dbdweeb 2 months ago
hmmm... Rambling, unfocused, undisciplined, faulty reasoning.
dbdweeb 2 months ago
taxes belong onto the value of land/sites and privilege - Adam Smith, Henry George. If the public collects the publicly created value of sites/location, then corporate America will pay its fair share and the people witll enjoy a citizens dividend. web wealthandwant . com
itzdLandStupid3taxit 3 months ago
4 IRS pirates don't like this video.
leaddrop 6 months ago
Michelle, im in the same boat. I havent filed in two years and will continue not to. Keep your pretty chin up and know that you are not alone.
leaddrop 9 months ago 4
@leaddrop
Thanks! Right now I am going after eradicating vehicle registration laws...I don't like those either.
missliberty7 7 months ago 2
Don't bother with the Constitutional arguement because thats been tried at nausium Wesley Snipes is doing 10 yrs right now. You need to render unto Caesar what is Caesars Even Jesus paid his taxes and thats recorded in the Gospels If you want to be a part of this Constitution and enjoy its liberties then you have to pay your taxes. Get a lawyer to settle the tax amount and go on with your life with your children You're a mother, you don't have time to fight the US Govt.
JesusNonEnviromental 1 year ago
@JesusNonEnviromental Show me where "Jesus paid his taxes." You cannot. Read you Bible yourself and stop listening to what others tell you is in there for starters. Also, I am not interested in being a part of "this Constitution". Why do you worship the state? That is idolatry.
missliberty7 11 months ago
@missliberty7 Matthew Chapter 17 verses 24 thru 27. Tribute to the kings in those days As American citizens we are bound to the laws of the Constitution unless you've denounced your citizenship and if thats the case you would now be an illegal alien Now you don't have to pay taxes Freedom is not liberty to do as one pleases, thats called Sodom and Gomorrah Laws are needed to keep your freedoms from affecting my freedoms
JesusNonEnviromental 11 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" was NOT an endorsement of taxation. The Bible already plainly spelled out that everything in the heavens and earth belonged to God. Basically, Jesus was saying to give to Caesar what is Caesar's, knowing full well that the wealth of the people did not belong to Caesar (also see "Thou Shalt Not Steal"), but if he had come right out and said that, he would have been executed. It was a crafty statement that the intellectuals understood.
DougKendall 11 months ago
@DougKendall Someone needs to go back to Sunday School The bible teachers to pray for those in Authority and God sets up the governments (kingdoms) and kings, I Peter Chapter 2: 13 - 17 If a government asks you to sin then of course you're not obliged to sin, but asking you to pay taxes is not a sin
Men would rather part with their life before they part with their money. Pay your taxes as Jesus did in Matthew Chapter 17 when he payed Tribute to Ceasar
JesusNonEnviromental 11 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental Government doesn't ask; it forcibly takes. That is what we call theft--something strictly forbidden by the Bible. And if you stand in the way, you are kidnapped, beaten or murdered--also forbidden. Get a clue. If I pay tribute, it is a voluntary act of respect.
DougKendall 11 months ago
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missliberty7 7 months ago
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DougKendall 7 months ago
She makes one critical error when she says, "Under the Constitution, we are free people." No, we aren't. The Constitution laid the foundation for this national slavery system of government.
DougKendall 1 year ago 2
@DougKendall I am an anarchist who is trying to speak to an audience of people who can barely digest mild suggestions by Ron Paul. :/
missliberty7 11 months ago 7
@missliberty7 you think you have it tough. try being a left-libertarian/market socialist whose trying to speak to an audience of people who think Ron Paul is mild. :(
ancapistan 3 months ago
Man.... Total hot milf
chorizo1337 1 year ago
The 16th Amendment did not extend any new taxing power to congress.
se7ensnakes 1 year ago
FAIRTAX.ORG!!!! Abolish the income tax, create an economic boom and extend freedom...
hazeywolf 1 year ago
@hazeywolf There is nothing "fair" about taxation, especially when the "fair" tax would set into motion a 23% tax rate and give "prebates" (wealth redistribution)! If Russian countries can get by on a 13% tax--and our economy is more robust than theirs--we can surely get by on much less (until we can abolish taxation, altogether, that is).
DougKendall 7 months ago 2
WATCH ZEITGEIST: MOVING FORWARD
lanepommer 1 year ago
Does she have a boyfriend? I want to take her out on a date.
IhaveseensoIbelieve 1 year ago
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Liberty309 1 year ago
Fuck the I.R.S. Don't ever pay them another damn cent
Liberty309 1 year ago
@Liberty309 Good luck in jail. Say hi to Kent Hovind and Wesley Snipes for me.
kubush 1 year ago
@kubush Get a life. It looks like you just want argue with people on here. Hey Mr. know it all 100% of the income tax that does get collected goes to the families that own the federal reserve bank. All other taxes goes for everything else. There isn't 1 god damn thing federal about the federal reserve. IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN A FUCKING BANK. ALL INTEREST PAID TO THIS 1 BANK FOR THEM ISSUEING BANK NOTES AS OUR CURRENCY = THE INCOME TAX. Not 1 single person is obligated to pay this income tax.
Liberty309 1 year ago
@Liberty309 Why are you arguing? Looks like you just want to argue. Get a life. Please learn something about econ. All the interest paid to the Fed goes back to the U.S. Treasury. Morons like you have tried contesting the Constitutionality of the income tax in courts and time after time they have failed.
kubush 1 year ago
@kubush I guess that makes Ron Paul a moron too because he pretty much states the same thing. Everything I said in my statement is a fact. LeftLiberalSoCal knows what he's talking about. You might know a few things about econ. but you sure don't know your history. I suggest you do more research on this subject. Oh and by the way the supreme court has ruled on 3 seperate occasions that that amendment DOES NOT give the goverment any more taxing powers than what they had before, MORON.
Liberty309 1 year ago
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@Liberty309 "that amendment DOES NOT give the goverment any more taxing powers than what they had before"
Yes, meaning they already had the power to tax income.
"I guess that makes Ron Paul a moron too" Yup.
kubush 1 year ago
@Liberty309
“The Sixteenth Amendment declares that Congress shall have power to levy and collect taxes on income, ‘from whatever source derived’ without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration. It was not the purpose or the effect of that amendment to bring any new subject within the taxing power. Congress already had the power to tax all incomes.
Bowers, Collector v. Kerbaugh-Empire Co.
RetSquid 1 year ago
Sure, pay no taxes as long as you don't use any of the things that taxes pay for, including roads, police protection, national defense, government representation, or public schools. I have a feeling the last one was one you never took much advantage of.
ElectraAlan 1 year ago
The key word is (notice) just notice them back, I got one like that, after 9 years we are on the 14th notice on each word, they sent me, the way I see it I have hundred more years of notices to go.
freepress666 1 year ago
Check out free man on the land with Robert Menard. Also "Slavery by Consent" and "Traffic Ticket Tripper" also Marc Stevens.
You are a human being and also a "person" established when your birth certificate was submitted (everyone since the US bankruptcy in 1933). You can abandon that SSN or SIN number. You need to learn the law and keep learning. I've just taken the red pill and I'm learning as fast as I can.
provc 1 year ago
We need more people like you in this country. Thanks for this video.
Aryaba 1 year ago
Abortions aren't tax funded. Taxes are required for all sorts of public services. Everyone has to pay their fair share. Please don't compare taxes to "tyrannical oppression" or "slavery". That is utter nonsense. Do you consider military protection oppression? How about public libraries, schools, firefighters, policeman, paved roads, space exploration, consumer protection, public health funding, etc.?
kubush 1 year ago
Just what is the difference between IRS terrorizing the people of America or a terrorist organization in the middle east?
Look at the definition of a terrorist and the IRS fits the description. I am sorry for you being terrorized by domestic terrorists in the IRS!
ben5017 1 year ago
Michelle, I seriously advise you to read "Cracking the Code, by Perter E. Hendrickson, or go to Lost Horizons. Com
There is no reason you should chance jail time, when most Americans have no legal liability to pay "income" tax. Learn the legal definitions of the terms "Income, "wages", "employer", "employee", "trade or business", etc.
I got the IRS to admit, IN WRITTING, I received no "income" (as defined by law).
beingjohngalt1 1 year ago
@beingjohngalt1 Oh please. Many American's don't pay federal income tax, not because there is some sort of loophole, but because they don't earn enough and have enough deductions as to not owe anything. If you make enough money then you are very much liable. Please don't give out advice that will land ppl in jail.
kubush 1 year ago
@beingjohngalt1
Peter Hendrickson inmate number #15406-039, FCI Milan, P.O. Box 1000, E. Arkona Rd, Milan, MI 48160
RetSquid 1 year ago
Your ARE legally required to pay your taxes... do no be fooled by the uneducated. Write to me and I will connect you to the law itself... YouTube will not let me post a link here.
screemingbison 1 year ago
@screemingbison You can always leave a link on YouTube w/o the w w w and h t t p people should know to add that if they want to visit the site.
Not sure I agree with your comment though...
PeteEyre 1 year ago
@screemingbison You mean you are illegally required. Get out of fear and you will see the other side. We need to stop entangling ourselves with all of this. And stop paying t-xes out of fear. You should pay it out of patriocism... right !
sickasso72 1 year ago
@sickasso72 No I meant what I said. Your arguments are futile as you obviously not familiar with the law, and you are not willing to look at it either. I can clearly see the law I spoke of, but you simply cannot show me why I should disobey the law, except that you say I am fearful. REALITY: I am not fearful as I no longer live in the USA; I have nothing to lose; nothing to be afraid of. Unfortunately, the law is what it is. I simply implore you to study history and how the law came to be.
screemingbison 1 year ago
@sickasso72 How is it illegal?
kubush 1 year ago
@kubush Because its a form of slavery. Which was abolished eons ago
sickasso72 1 year ago
@sickasso72 No. It is not a form of slavery. That is just stupid.
kubush 1 year ago
@kubush Thats the type of typical reply expected from the media fed, over-educated brainwashed people I always hear. I want to thank(YOU) for helping to propagate the lies and fear, and protecting the elite. I'm sure they appreciate it. Stay asleep my friend, sleepiness is your identity .
sickasso72 1 year ago
@sickasso72 First, I'd rather be "over" educated (what ever that means) than under educated like you apparently are. I'm not brainwashed, I just know and understand the law. I understand the necessity of public works and the need to finance them. You on the other hand sound like some uneducated red neck that fears anything with the word "official" in it. Taxes help the poor and middle class...and who pays the most taxes...the so called elite. Fool.
kubush 1 year ago
@kubush The premise of taxes are sound. I can understand being a member of society and paying for things like roads, bridges etc that we all use. So I can understand paying 1-2% of my paycheck for these things. But we don't. We pay around 40% (Federal and state). That IS a form a slavery. You are being forced to work against your will to pay a totalitarian entity (the IRS) for 4-5 months out the year.Not to mention 90% of the taxes go to paying the interest on the national debt.That is SLAVERY.
LeftLiberalSoCal 1 year ago
@LeftLiberalSoCal Half of the U.S. population doesn't even pay federal income taxes. The amount of taxes required for the services that our population demands may be more than we would like but it is ridiculous to characterize that as "SLAVERY". Maybe if you sold yourself to ACTUAL slavery you then might get humbled and not mis-use the word in such a way.
kubush 1 year ago
@kubush "Half of the U.S. population"? You're lumping everyone into one number (unemployed,children,disabled)! The overwhelming majority of working people DO/ARE forced to pay taxes. The constitution provided taxes are for CORPORATE GAINS and TARIFFS. In 1913 the rich put there corporate taxes on the backs of employees. Taxes today are an of evolution slavery. Think about it, You work 4-5 months FOR FREE under threat of an iron fist and duress. That is the very definition of a slave.
LeftLiberalSoCal 1 year ago
@LeftLiberalSoCal "You work 4-5 months FOR FREE" It is not like that money is going straight to some corp fat cats. It is used to pay for the roads you drive, the schools you send you kids to, the social security that your old folks are living off of, the military which protects your freedoms, etc. So yes, you have a duty to pay your fair share for the services that you and everyone else uses. And if you don't pay your fair share, that ultimately amounts to stealing. So NO! Taxes is not slavery!
kubush 1 year ago
@kubush Ignorant! Ignorant! The GAS TAX ALONE pays for the roads we drive! Schools are paid for by PROPERTY TAXES! SOCIAL SECURITY is paid for by YOU! The military is OVER-BLOATED! "Protecting freedom" is patriotic sheep propaganda to gain public support! Does New Zealand need a bloated global military empire to protect it's freedom? What about Iceland? 90% of your taxes go to pay INTEREST ON THE NATIONAL DEBT. The "fair share" explanation is pure propaganda to give taxes moral justification!
LeftLiberalSoCal 1 year ago
@LeftLiberalSoCal "SOCIAL SECURITY is paid for by YOU!" YEAH! THROUGH TAXES! You said 4-5 mo. goes to the government and now you are naming off these different taxes that you all of a sudden want to exempt. Gas tax is a tax. Property taxes is a tax. The national debt argument is redundant considering the debt is created by paying for services we want. Ignorance indeed!
kubush 1 year ago
@kubush The system in place today is a direct violation of the Constitution. So are private property taxes. I promise we could have everything and more - defense,infrastructure,Healthcare, Social Security, even a Space Program - with proper fiscal policy and negligible taxes. 90% of your taxes this April 2011 are FEDERAL RESERVE INTEREST. What does that tell you? Please stop listening to the crowd and pick up a book. It kills me how ignorant people are on this subject!
LeftLiberalSoCal 1 year ago
@LeftLiberalSoCal Where are you getting these figures from? Even according to right-wing bias sources the interest on our national debt would cost us HALF our FEDERAL INCOME taxes by the year 2020! You know what that tells me? That you are either ignorant or a liar.
kubush 1 year ago
Check out People Who Don't Pay Taxes on the youtube channel "epausti"
This is a PM Magazine story from the early 80's that has to do with the Constitution.
MrUgabuggaboo 1 year ago
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The declaration would be NET income generated from investments, not like she said. She is talking about having made 1.5 mil. in profit even if that's only the total amount UP that she was at all. 60K is enough income to be taxed heavily. She is wrong by her own facts and is mis-stating how taxes are calculated. She should avoid buying clothing or jewelry or using a car if this is a matter of speaking with her dollars because those items are bathed in blood as much as the government's actions.
deadlyripped 1 year ago
The declaration would be NET income generated from investments, not like she said. She is talking about having made 1.5 mil. in profit even if that's only the total amount UP that she was at all. 60K is enough income to be taxed heavily. She is wrong by her own facts and is mis-stating how taxes are calculated. She should avoid buying clothing or jewelry or using a car if this is a matter of speaking with her dollars because those items are bathed in blood as much as the government's actions.
deadlyripped 1 year ago
You are a great woman. God bless you!
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New Testament, Matthew,24,30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of a man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
NT, Matt,25,32: "All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the nations one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats." watch?v=heWGNiy1vSA
chapthe 1 year ago 2
@chapthe
Not great, but passionate for freedom, which I think is great.
Thanks for the Scripture. :)
missliberty7 1 year ago
Hey MEN, Freedom Loving Men, take Notice here - We The People, need to Stand together in solidarity with this brave Woman, All of Us, Men & Women need to stand together and Say NO to the IRS & The federal government Criminals. This is how they will begin to erode & crumble, when enough people start to say NO you will NOT Steal my money any more and NO I am NOT Afraid of you government goons! We are supposed to be FREE People and we should be FREE to make our Own Choices!
peace love anarchy
enemyartistkristofeR 1 year ago 12
You are gorgeous! ! I recently sat on a criminal jury and saw the corruption in our court system. The law is not allowed in many cases in the courtroom. In the case I was a juror on we were instructed to "judge on the law only and not whether the law is just." This is a violation of the original intent of jury trials by the founders to be a final barrier to protect people from unjust or corrupt laws.
provc 1 year ago
@provc
I have been in a few courtrooms and never have I seen justice served. The fact that a decision can be imposed upon your life that is enforced by a gun or threat of poverty when there is no victim is immoral.
missliberty7 1 year ago
Please see "Jury Nullification." Why does the Federal Government not allow supreme court decisions into the courtroom in the lower courts? Why are patriots' petitions for redress not answered as required by the capstone right of the Constitution? Why does the government use intimidation and Gestapo tactics instead of answering the people on the tax issue?
provc 1 year ago
RetSquid...
I have checked out your station/page. I can appreciate the fact you call yourself a Christian! Here are some scriptures you may want to look up. Leviticus 25:45 Slavery. Proverbs 11:15 Social Security. Isaiah 52:3 Hosea 14:9. Matt 5:34 Take no oath. Luke 11:52 Lawyers. Luke 22:25 Tax collectors. Romans 9:13 God hated Esau, see also Genisis 25:30-34. Galatians 4 Faith and the law. Ephesians 6:10-20 The enemy. James 4:12 There is only one law giver. Shall I go on?
toreyw100 2 years ago
ROCK ON!! Go Michele!! How can I help YOU?? Blessed that you are a friend!
ddawe31635 2 years ago
Corageous Woman
ronpaulspanish 2 years ago
And if we did get to decide how to spend it, they (congress/senate/Feds) would not be needed in the capacity they feel they are needed. They think themselves to be Crusaders of just causes. I find them to be two faced liar who are greedy and manipulative. They answer to whatever lobby puts up the most Donations, do not kid yourself, these immoral simpletons are as useful as a bucket in a sinking ship. They cannot operate if we do not let them, so lets stop giving them the means to do so.
shelnutt 2 years ago
"immoral simpletons"
Thay may be, but that has nothing to do with the legality of Federal income tax.
RetSquid 2 years ago
It does when they are the ones creating new laws. Do you get to vote as to whether or not you get a raise? I know my use of words may appear to be simple, you must forgive me for I was educated in South Carolina. Tax dollars hard at work providing children with Teachers who for the most part are no more educated than the ones they teach.
shelnutt 2 years ago
"creating new laws"
Then VOTE THEM OUT!!
What's the matter with S.C.? I lived in Goose Creek for a while and one of the smartest people I know is from S.C.
RetSquid 2 years ago
There is nothing wrong with SC my best friend lives in the "Creek". The education system there is severely flawed, as it is all over America. As far as voting them out, it doesn't matter who is voted in they all bow to big "Lobbying" dollars. The American people have no say especially at the voting booth. My argument is that a very select few (elected officials) campaign on what people want and then decide to act on behalf of those with the most campaign dollars.
shelnutt 2 years ago
"On one hand, the IRS has published numerous authoritative admissions that the federal income tax system is based on voluntary compliance, specifically stating in one admission that the payment of federal income tax is voluntary," said the motion. "Nowhere in these admissions are any exceptions or conditions applied to the term 'voluntary compliance,' nor is any special meaning attached to the word 'voluntary,' which is therefore construed according to its plain meaning."
shelnutt 2 years ago
The assertion that the filing of an income tax return is voluntary is, likewise, frivolous. Title 26, United States Code, Section 6012(a)(1)(A), requires that every individual who earns a threshold level of income must file a tax return. Failure to file an income tax return subjects an individual to criminal penalty.
United States v. Hartman
RetSquid 2 years ago
Hartman was a Florida District court I believe. There is no law anywhere in the IRS code for a mandatory income tax. The Supreme court ruled 5-4 that the 16th was unconstitutional, so the fact that this "law" is based on an Unconstitutional foundation completely denies it validity. There is no way around it. We can argue all day, but the simple fact is that they know it is unconstitutional but that cause a major "headache" so let's put some wording around it to make people think it's legal.
shelnutt 2 years ago
"16th was unconstitutional"
WHAT!!??
Wherever did you get that idea???
The plain language of the IRC, however, belies this assertion, stating in section 1 that a tax is hereby IMPOSED on the taxable income of every individual (emphasis added). Although plaintiff attempts to distinguish between imposing a tax and creating a liability for a tax, there is no difference. Every individual has an affirmative duty to pay taxes.
Porcaro v. United States
RetSquid 2 years ago
Justice Harlan stated: When, therefore, this court adjudges, as it does now adjudge, that Congress cannot impose a duty or tax upon personal property, or upon income arising either from rents of real estate or from personal property, including invested personal property, bonds, stocks, and investments of all kinds, except by apportioning the sum to be so raised among the States according to population, it practically decides that, without an amendment of the Constitution —
shelnutt 2 years ago
Who is Judge Harlan and what case are you referencing?
RetSquid 2 years ago
two-thirds of both Houses of Congress and three-fourths of the States concurring — such property and incomes can never be made to contribute to the support of the national government.[16]
shelnutt 2 years ago
How can it be if the number of states needed to ratify did so illegally. If the 16th was never legally ratified then it is by definition not legal. Just because words reside on paper does not make those words true. The fact is the US has and will do anything in it's power to screw it's people, they prove it every day. If not for the wealth of information now available by the internet, they would walk into your house call you a terrorist and detain you without cause or a lawyer, oh wait they can.
shelnutt 2 years ago
"never legally ratified"
It WAS legally ratified. If it wasn't, why did the States tell Knox that it was?
RetSquid 2 years ago
Knox was fraudulent in his statements, therefore it was never legally ratified. Harlan was a Supreme Court Justice. Many of the states either changed or left out the phrase "Tax on Income", many states once finding this out retracted their decisions.
shelnutt 2 years ago
Secretary Knox declared that enough states had ratified the Sixteenth Amendment. The Secretary decision is not transparently defective. We need not decide when, if ever, such a decision may be reviewed in order to know that Secretary Knox decision is now beyond review.
U.S. v. Thomas
WHY DIDN'T THOSE STATES PROTEST THE 'LIE'???
Are you actually claiming that the States 'left out' the one line that the Amendment was about????
When you quoted Justice Harlan, what case was it?
RetSquid 2 years ago
Some did, once they found out (while they were on recess) the officials had it turned down, this was in fact after Knox shot his mouth off. Look the point is Taxation and Debt are the best tools for enslavement and they are not going to stop short of throwing the kitchen sink at you if you try and argue. Every one thinks that they are free in this country nd that is simply not so. If you don't believe me I suggest you start perusing all of the laws put in place since 2001.
shelnutt 2 years ago
"Look the point is"
That the truth doesn't matter?
Who, exactly, protested Knox's annoncement?
RetSquid 2 years ago
Google "The Law that never was" then find on youtube Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism". Then think to yourself why would a Corporation such as the Government/ IRS want to give up so much money that they have grown accustomed to. If you can honestly tell me that you are not a slave to Debt and the Almighty dollar then you need to do some real soul searching. We are a species that has much more to live for than 9-5, TV, and War. Yet here we are killing in the name of GOD/money.Truth.
shelnutt 2 years ago
The Seventh Circuit noted that the information compiled in The Law That Never Was has been known since 1913, and the court found that it presented no grounds for invalidating the Sixteenth Amendment.
U.S. v Thomas, 788 F.2d at 1253
Did you read that? EVERYTHING was already known at the time and there was nothing to it..
"America: Freedom to Fascism" is also full of crap.
THAT is the truth, you just don't want to believe it.
RetSquid 2 years ago
In Oklahoma, the legislature changed the wording of the Amendment so that its meaning was virtually the opposite of what was intended by Congress, and this was the version sent back to Knox. Yet Knox counted Oklahoma as approving it, despite a memo from his chief legal counsel, Reuben Clark, that states were not allowed to change it in anyway. You obviously enjoy eating the shit they feed you, so indulge my friend. I am citizen of this Planet, we all are, and yet people still need to be coddled.
shelnutt 2 years ago
"indulge my friend"
You don't like losing a debate so you get mad and start tossing insults?
When are you going to answer my previous questions like you promised?
RetSquid 2 years ago
I suppose you would be better served if you did your own research. You seem to be ok with taking the Government's word and they are the one's demanding money from you. I did not insult you, you are the one making the choice to agree with self enslavement. You are simply insulting your self. I never promised you anything, but I suppose I could. I promise you that no matter how long you accept and defend your oppressor the more oppressed you become. It is you who is the slave, you can end it.
shelnutt 2 years ago 2
You are right, you didn't promise, that was the same subject but a different video :)
Can you answer any of my questions?
"You obviously enjoy eating the shit "
That isn't an insult? No wonder yuou don't understand the law.
RetSquid 2 years ago
Hey you are the one defending their criminal actions. I understand that no man has the right to obstruct another man's freewill. Perhaps eating their shit is an insult, but it wouldn't be if you stopped doing it. You would seem to quicker take the Government's word for it than question. That is quite scary, because it leaves you to simply bow down to a master. No one is better than anyone else. A handful of powerful people dominate billions of their fellow man, but because they say its ok?
shelnutt 2 years ago
"their criminal actions"
What criminal actions would those be?
Enforcing the income tax LAWS?
RetSquid 2 years ago
This should be enough for you; You continue paying your taxes like a good little American and brag to your friends about how patriotic you are for doing so. Then you can remind them as to the real purpose America is here. TO PAY TAXES FOR MEN AND WOMEN TO GO MURDER EACH OTHER. You think you know where your tax dollar goes? Quit being a child, this government looks at you as Resource Consumer, you are nothing more than a # and a way to fill the coffers. Stop insisting that a fraud is law.
shelnutt 2 years ago
"This should be enough for you"
You are clearly not of sound mind.
The law is the law even if YOU don't agree with it.
You were wrong about the 16th Amendment, get over it.
RetSquid 2 years ago
says the person with the name RETSQUID. Calling people crazy is what losers do. You only know what people tell you. You seek a truth that is provided as such without really investigating. You are the type of person that needs a blanket and a nap everyday. Good luck to you and the pack you travel in. Calling someone crazy is more dangerous than you really want to find out. Continue hiding behind your screen name and children's menu education.
shelnutt 2 years ago
@shelnutt
Just read your last post it says loads about your state of mind.
You just accept people when they say you don't have to pay income tax?
I looked it up and did my research, what did you do?
RetSquid 2 years ago
I am sure it does. I simply sat here and argued with you, and yes if someone says they don't have to pay income tax then that is there decision. My state of mind is fine, but I appreciate your concern. I imagine we can sit here argue all day long and never agree. I would think we both could find a better a use of our time. I have to work on my temper, because it does at times get the best of me. I apologize for my offensive remarks. I wish you well in your endeavors .
shelnutt 2 years ago
You two have been arguing back and forth over ratification, etc. My point was and is that I am a free person and therefore, by definition the owner of my person and property without equivocation.
At one time, slavery was considered lawful, but that didn't make it moral or ethical. My contention is that no person or entity has a right to my mind, my body or my property. Why is that even up for discussion?
missliberty7 2 years ago
"Why is that even up for discussion?"
Because we do not live in a vacuum. If it wasn't for society you would not have what you do. To support that society you pay taxes.
The laws of all civilized states recognize in every citizen the absolute right to his own earnings, and to the enjoyment of his own property, and the increase thereof, during his life, except so far as the state may require him to contribute his share for public expenses....
United States v. Perkins
RetSquid 2 years ago
Just what exactly do I "have" that was a result of "society"?
If the traffic light were to go out, would you cease to drive because society no longer provided a stop go signal? If society ceased to provide public education, would you stop reading? If society didn't provide healthcare, would you get sick? What you support is a nanny state and I find that abhorrent.
missliberty7 2 years ago 5
"Just what exactly do I "have" that was a result of "society"?"
How about a place that makes sure you can exercise your rights?
Without this society your rights would be only what some totalitarian leader said they were that day.
Is this society perfect? No, but its a lot better than most of the alternatives.
RetSquid 2 years ago
THANK YOU for finally coming around! I am thrilled to see you refer to "rights" as something that we have outside of ourselves but are ours by definition. It took a while, but I couldn't be happier for you. As you know, one of the rights, by definition, of a free person is the right to keep the fruit of one's labor. That is a right by definition and therefore cannot be violated.
missliberty7 2 years ago
And your right to keep the fruits of your labor is predicated on your responsibility to help pay for that society.
All rights come with responsibilities attached. Read United States v. Perkins again.
RetSquid 2 years ago
@missliberty7 If there were no traffic lights, there would be an enormous jump in traffic accidents and deaths. If we had no public education, those that are poor wouldn't even know how to read let alone read a book. If we don't provide access to healthcare then ppl will suffer and die. Nanny state? No, a human state.
kubush 1 year ago
I am not claiming to be a Rosa Parks by any stretch. But then again, my moral code would require me to stand if there was an elderly person needing a seat regardless of color.
Possibly, you may argue that there are ways to combat unjust laws within our system. However, that too fails. It is not until people refuse to participate in the injustices that we see change
missliberty7 2 years ago
"unjust laws"
Have fun tilting at that windmill.
RetSquid 2 years ago
Well you put yourself forward as such a smart individual who has done the study, perhaps when you get your head out of the governments A** you will look up the legal definition of LAW! What you say is law is infact code and regulation given the authority of law by the governed, and as such, if the governed do not consent to the authority, they have none! Spew your lies of the Beast, but the people are waking up!
toreyw100 2 years ago
RetSquid... My last reply was directed toward you.
toreyw100 2 years ago
@toreyw100
Title 26 is the Internal Revenue CODE, it is the compilation of all Federal income tax LAWS and those LAWS are listed in the STATUTES at large.
Your consent is not required for laws to be effective on you, if it was, no thief would ever be charged, they would not 'consent'.
RetSquid 2 years ago
RetSquid...
All LAWS are derived from common law, (Gods law) also known as the ten commandments put in place to protect every humanbeings rights! If you infringe on those rights, (injury or damage to person or property) you have broken the law! So yep you sure got me there with the thief scenario, almost, nice try though. Seems you are still missing the FACT that statutes are not law. Statutes have the colour of law, (you know, resemble) and are given the authority of law by the governed.
toreyw100 2 years ago
@toreyw100
Statutes are laws by definition, look it up.
RetSquid 2 years ago
RetSquid...
There are no tax laws as you say, or traffic laws for that matter, they are without question or debate statutes, and authority is given by consent. I pay my taxes, and drive safe as well, I may not agree with it but our masters THREATEN us with jail if we dont! Freedom, what a joke. We are free to do what thy masa say!! Good day!
toreyw100 2 years ago
@toreyw100
Buy a dictionary, you need one.
RetSquid 2 years ago
Blacks Law: a statute is an act of power by the legislature given the authority of law, but in FACT is not law. Where does the legislature get their authority to make acts of power, oh thats right by governed. Perhaps you should buy a LAW dictionary, there is a difference. Of the people, by the people, for the people. They are not just words!
toreyw100 2 years ago
@toreyw100
"the term statute is generally applied to all sorts of laws and regulations; every provision of law which ordains, permits, or prohibits anything is a statute without considering from what source it arises. Sometimes the word is used in contradistinction to the imperial Roman law, which, by way of eminence, civilians call the common law."
"The written will of the legislature, solemnly expressed according to the forms prescribed in the constitution"
-Bouvier's Law
RetSquid 2 years ago
@toreyw100
"LAW, WRITTEN, or lex scripta. This consists of the constitution of the United States the constitutions of the several states the acts of the different legislatures, as the acts of congress, and of the legislatures of the several states, and of treaties. See Statute"
Bouvier's Law
RetSquid 2 years ago
you have to claim losses on the file.. if you did it the correct way you shouldn't have this problem..
You don't owe it.. you should have checked this out with an accountant,
However i agree the government not only took advantage, but went over the top on this one.
dunngar 2 years ago
I agree with her, but the gov could not care less about what is written on any piece of paper and will throw her in jail if she persists.
The IRS will let her slide a few years to demonstrate a willful intent to not pay, strengthening their case against her.
I am extremely disappointed in her risking her children's wellbeing to a hopelessly lost cause.
furyofbongos 2 years ago
you go girl we are not your slaves goverment we know your criminal roug an illegitiment. we will take this country back. did you know that your tax dollars go directly to off shore banks.
661ride 2 years ago
If she is doing this as a protest then she also has the responsibilty to go to jail for it.
Look at Jenney v. United States, 755 F.2d 1384 (9th Cir. 1985) (holding that taxpayers cannot withhold taxes based on conscientious objection to war)
RetSquid 2 years ago
My objections to federal income tax are founded in the belief that as free people we own the rights to the "fruit of our labor." Incidentally, I haven't lied to the federal government; I didn't enter into a contract with it. Why ought I go to jail?
missliberty7 2 years ago
[T]he laws of all civilized states recognize in every citizen the absolute right to his own earnings, and to the enjoyment of his own property, and the increase thereof, during his life, except so far as the state may require him to contribute his share for public expenses....
United States v. Perkins, 163 U.S. 625, 627 (1896).
There is no 'contract', it is the law.
RetSquid 2 years ago
And in this case, is the "state" Tennessee or the federal government because I am referring to federal income taxes. The reference that cite predates the federal income tax amendment.
missliberty7 2 years ago
In this case "state" refers to both national and State Governmental units.
The fact that it pre-dates the income tax is inmaterial as it is about taxes in general.
RetSquid 2 years ago
Well darling, if you were paying attention, you would know that to what I am referring is federal income tax. I pay I paid over $20K last year in sales and other taxes such as gas tax as well as paid an enormous amount of fees to pay for such things as roads. Don't feel bad that you don't actually have a valid point. It's that case with everyone until they get it, unless like my kids who were born into principled ideology.
missliberty7 2 years ago
"principled ideology."
So, you either pay your income tax or refuse to pay and go to jail for your principles.
Whatever other taxes you pay has nothing to do with the Federal income tax.
There is no 'contract' involved with the law, it is just the law, whether you agree with it or not.
RetSquid 2 years ago
There is no law requiring you to pay a Federal Income TAX. Besides 70% of Federal Income Tax goes to the Federal Reserve to pay off the Debt the Government owes the Federal Reserve. State income tax pays for schools,roads,infrastructure, etc.
shelnutt 2 years ago
"Federal Income Tax"
$1.25 trillion---Individual income tax
$261 billion----Interest on National Debt
How is that "70%"???
Most State income tax laws rely on FIT laws. If there is no FIT law then SIT laws don't exist either.
RetSquid 2 years ago
Factually, what is the law?
WorBlux 2 years ago
Here is the law: Title 26
Section 1, imposes the tax
Section 61 defines Gross income
Section 63 defines Taxable income.
Section 6012 requires you to file a tax return if you have income of more than the exemption amount, and
Section 6151 requires you to pay the tax at the time and place fixed for the filing of your return.
RetSquid 2 years ago
I didn't ask what the law says, I asked "What is the law in factual terms?" How and where did it originate, what sort of provable relationship exist between it and Michele Seven that would make her obligated to whatever the pages of U.S. code actually say ?
WorBlux 2 years ago
Michele Seven lives in Tennesee, a part of the Uniterd States, therefore the laws of the United States apply to her, including Title 26, the Internal Revenue Code which was passed in 1954 and amended since then.
RetSquid 2 years ago
That Jones is living in some geographic area X which is called Y by Smith and his friends, is not evidence of a legal relation between Jones and Smith.
Niether is the fact Smith and his friends assertions that writing their demands down somehow obligates Jones to obey them.
WorBlux 2 years ago
The 16th was never legally ratified, in the 9000 plus pages of Tax Code the word Income is never defined. Filing is a "Voluntary Compliance". The Supreme court says that Income is not defined as Wage or Labor. If you file then you are agreeing that you are liable. It's pretty simple, file and you are liable, don't file and you are not liable.
shelnutt 2 years ago
"shelnutt'
Every single one of your points are wrong!!
The 16th WAS ratified, the word "Income" does not need to BE defined anymore than 'speach' needs to be define in the First Amendment, the courts have defined 'wages' as income, the law makes you liable, not whether you file or not.
If you want this broken down more let me know. :)
RetSquid 2 years ago
Apparently you missed the word "Legally" Retsquid. It was not LEGALLY ratified. "Secretary of State Philander Knox was not merely in error, but committed fraud when he declared it ratified in February 1913." Of the 48 states at that time it would have taken 36 of them to LEGALLY ratify the 16th. Twelve states, besides Tenn. violated provisions in their constitutions. 13-36 is what? Not enough for a legal ratification. When the former IRS Commissioner can't show me the law, then who can.
shelnutt 2 years ago
Excuse me 13-48. not 13-36. None the less continue filing, because if you file then you are saying "Yes I am Liable, please now hold me to this corrupt agreement." You are the only one that can stop a "Forest Fire". And the government has a box full of matches.
shelnutt 2 years ago
"if you file"
Filing has nothing to do with your liability, whether or not you file, you are liable for tax on your income.
RetSquid 2 years ago
The second contention is...the Constitutions of several...states...there are provisions which render inoperative the alleged ratifications by their Legislatures...the function of a state Legislature in ratifying a proposed amendment to the federal Constitution...is a federal function derived from the federal Constitution; and ***it transcends any limitations*** sought to be imposed by the people of a state.
Leser v. Garnett, 258 U.S. 130, 136-137 (1922).
RetSquid 2 years ago
First thanks for proving my point, second; "In Kentucky, the legislature acted on the amendment without having received it from the Governor (the Governor for each state was to transmit the proposed amendment to the state legislature). The version of the amendment that the Kentucky legislature made up and acted upon omitted the words "on income" from the text, so they weren't even voting on income tax, once they straightened it out the rejected it. Yet Knox stil counted it. Seems like a liar2me.
shelnutt 2 years ago
"received it from the Governor"
The Governor has nothing to do with any Constitutional Amendments, only the Legislatures.
"Kentucky...rejected it"
And they just sat back and did nothing about it?
Show me a court case where they disputed it.
RetSquid 2 years ago
A short history lesson:
There was a time when there were no taxes.
But one day we the people asked our government to Act on an issue on our behalf, in-fact we asked time and again. But we the people allowed the government to bill us. Instead of saying, it is your civic duty to act on our behalf for free, or for honorarium.
Suck it up or move to a country that doesnt have income taxes.
CuttressMedia 2 years ago
Where on earth are you getting your information? And "suck it up or move to a country...", wow! You are very undereducated. Public school, right? First of all, you need to distinguish between positive and negative rights. Then learn yourself an understanding of revenue and the ways that it may be generated. After and only because this is a chronological list not a priority list, educate yourself on contracts. Last, read the Constitution which is the law of the land.
missliberty7 2 years ago
(part 1of 2)
I listened to this 8-minute video and after wards; I presented a differing opinion which included options that addressed your concern.
Odd that you did not rebuttal my statements rather you have ATTACKED them.
Is this how you normally speak to people you lack in depth knowledge of? Did you make any effort to learn about me before you took such a stance?
You suspect you have obtained a better American education then me through home schooling...
CuttressMedia 2 years ago
(part 2of 2)
however to bring such information into this discussion is not only irrelevant but also speaks volumes of your personality.
Your reply sounded like a series of deflections & redirection, supported by an air of superiority and arrogance. Those who argue from this point of view and use antagonism to perpetuate a rebuttal are unlikely to want to entertain a differing opinion.
I wish you the best in your endeavors.
CuttressMedia 2 years ago
What "options" did you offer. I don't see any here listed otherwise I would have commented. What I commented on was your suggestion that I go elsewhere if I don't like the rules here. My comment was in line with my claim that such rules don't exist either lawfully or by natural rights. How is that arrogant? I accused you of a public school education because your post was consistent with the BS being propagated.
missliberty7 2 years ago
I fine is a tax for doing something wrong.
A tax is a fine for doing something right.
DirtyDawgg69 2 years ago
good luck.. what you need is a website where you can get say a 10 million other people who wont pay tax and all band together as a movement . How would they deal with that. It would be a great protest against paying tax. Interesting that the US Gov. didn't always charge Tax and understand that It had a better economy then too. tax started in 1862 then in 1865 they ended slavery seems like they had a more economical way to enslave people, by taxing them. The best slave is one who thinks he's free
ukdaynes 2 years ago 2
The IRS is *very* unlikely to throw you in prison just for not paying. It's much easier for them to just levy all your assets, leave you broke, and forget about you. They usually won't bother trying to prosecute unless they can prove you willfully evaded. e.g. doing things like hiding your assets so they can't take them, etc.
haploid2k 2 years ago
Pay your taxes as Jesus said to. Obviously he didn't like everything that the Romans did but he still said to pay them as they look after the place.
People like to bitch about the government and taxes until they need something from the government. You think the military keeps the US safe for free? You want teachers to teach your kids for free? Stop sponging off honest taxpayers and pay your fair share.
Martian74 2 years ago
LOL..You think ONE DIME you are ROBBED of goes to paying for anything? Your tax check is made out to who-the IRS. It's deposited into the Federal Reserve that is owned by international bankers. You are paying international bankers interest on the debt. For all intensive purpose they own this country and YOU. You are a slave and don't even know it. and the IRS is your masters enforcer. Read CRACKING THE CODE. Educate yourself and WAKE UP FROM THE MATRIX
FredandShell 2 years ago
I think you are getting mixed up. The IRS is run by the Treasury department not the Federal reserve. Henry Paulson is with the Treasury dept. and Ben Bernanke is with the Federal Reserve. Taxes go to the government which also pays the military budget (Federal Reserve does not run the military either). You seem to think that there is a big conspiracy and that everything should be free but your taxes do actually pay for things you use. This woman is trying to scam the system.
Martian74 2 years ago
What am I trying to scam? Scamming implies that I am trying to get something for nothing. I don't want the government to do anything for me.
missliberty7 2 years ago
Uhm...How am I a slave if I have never paid federal income taxes? I know that you are excited, but try not to shoot the messenger- especially when she is on your side.
missliberty7 2 years ago
43% of the entire Federal budget comes from individual income tax.
"Read CRACKING THE CODE."
Why?? The author has lost every single time it has gone to court.
RetSquid 2 years ago
I and those who I hire directly "teach" my kids; I am not interested in funding abortion and murder- why are you? and Jesus NEVER said to pay taxes. Go back and actually read the Word for yourself instead of listening to some crackpot give a sermon that is entirely misguided.
missliberty7 2 years ago
missliberty, michelleseven, If you're the same person this is to both of you. First you need to understand the law as it applies to the federal income tax.For this you need Pete Hendricksons book "Cracking the Code-The fascinating truth about taxation in America". Do NOT hire a lawyer unless they are familiar with this book. Don't wait for the IRS to do what they will, they will do the worst they can.
OverTaxed42Long 2 years ago