I can see the possibility that someday we may "seed" another habitable planet with single-celled organisms as an experiment. Who knows? Maybe that is how life started here. I doubt it, actually, but I don't KNOW that it didn't happen. It's a huge universe, with billions upon billions of possibilities.
When I contrast A) the Biblical version of creation of Earth, humans, the universe itself (!) happening a few thousand years ago with B)stars billions of light-years away, I see that Bible = BS
@ndrthrdr1 For centuries atheists claimed the universe was eternal in the past. On the other hand, the Bible for several millenia has been saying No! the universe began in a cataclysmic event in which all time, matter & space was created. It also said that plant life 1st covered the earth, life began in the oceans and man, the high point of creation was formed from the dust of the earth. Does this sound familiar, like modern science & cosmology?
@Gericho49 Being atheist simply means claiming lack of theistic belief. That's not the same as claiming knowledge of there being no possibility of any god(s). The Bible, by listing the descendants from Adam on down, implies that humans have only been here a few thousand years, and says that Adam was created from dirt, rather than evolving from lower life forms. Science shows that to be just plain wrong.
Can u tell me why u are a "convinced atheist" & not just a doubter or agnostic? There are a lot of sad, rude belligerint God haters on YT but u seem like a genuine truth seeker. The existence or non-existence of aliens really doesnt prove God either way, surely? Dawkins only suggests aliens "seeded earth" but that still raises questions like who seeded the aliens who seeded them? If earth didnt produce life naturally why should we expect another life-permitting planet could do a better job?
Before u try 2 explain how life came from non-life, we1st must ask 1 Why does anything exist?2 If something exists now does that "thing" have an eternal past 3 why should the universe be finite & rationally intelligible as well as life-permitting? 4Why should it obey immaterial laws & abstract maths? 5Did those laws create themselves 6 Is matter & energy all there is 6 Did intelligence evolve from rocks 7 are we just a cosmic accident in a deathbound universe. 8.Why do we ask "why" questions?
@jmacisdope2 "yes that SOMTHING is eternal it has to be..no other way to explain it"
No sorry, its modern science thats telling us all matter space & time came into existence a finite time ago (Penrose/Hawking) Hilbert, one of the greatest mathemeticians, “The infinite as in infinite past time is nowhere to be found in reality. It neither exists in nature nor provides a legitimate basis for rational thought. The role that remains for the infinite…is solely that of an idea…”
@jmacisdope2 Alex Vilenkin, Russian cosmologist "With the proof now in place, current cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape: we have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning."
Prof. Freeman Dyson theoretical physicist "The more we understand about the universe the more it seems like it knew we were coming."
@Prodigalfather1 yes u right it did all come into existance a finite time ago and the infinite past was BEFORE the universe etc.. u absolutly right!! its no were in reality cuz it transends the natural realm!! thats y i belive God is the cause cuz hes Eternal/Infinite..do u agree?
@jmacisdope2 IN the Bible it says several time "before the beginning of time" which implies that God exists independent of time. This was verified by Penrose/Hawking model using Eintein's quatum mechanical model
@jmacisdope2 u really need to study some basic science: Alex Vilenkin, Russian cosmologist "With the proof now in place, current cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape: we have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning."
@Gericho49 I wanted to comment on one thing. You asked the question: "Why should the universe be finite and rationally intelligible as well as life-permitting?"
The problem with this logic is that with you making this statement, you are merely putting it into rational thought. You can't escape it. Even belief in a god tries to take a intelligible approach to existence. So, your argument eats itself.
@AConvincedAtheist Your right, man didnt discover abstract laws he invented the math that defines our rationally intelligible universe. Such is the logical absurdity of a blind atheist. On ur count, Einstein must be wrong when without a Creator he said, "the only thing incomprehensible about the universe is that it is comprehensible" Apparently your disbelief in God " tries to take a intelligible approach" but is just the product of the random generation of mindless molecules in motion.
@AConvincedAtheist Actually it was Einstein who said "the only thing incomprehensible about the universe, is that it IS COMPREHENSIBLE" Without God Einstein cannot explain why the world should be rationally intelligible, why abstract scientific laws exist or where they came from. So In your worldview intelligence is illusory, just chemical reactions in brain tissue, right? When all reality is reducible to mindless matter logic doesnt even exist. Such is the absurdity of atheism. Think about it
I can see the possibility that someday we may "seed" another habitable planet with single-celled organisms as an experiment. Who knows? Maybe that is how life started here. I doubt it, actually, but I don't KNOW that it didn't happen. It's a huge universe, with billions upon billions of possibilities.
When I contrast A) the Biblical version of creation of Earth, humans, the universe itself (!) happening a few thousand years ago with B)stars billions of light-years away, I see that Bible = BS
ndrthrdr1 8 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 For centuries atheists claimed the universe was eternal in the past. On the other hand, the Bible for several millenia has been saying No! the universe began in a cataclysmic event in which all time, matter & space was created. It also said that plant life 1st covered the earth, life began in the oceans and man, the high point of creation was formed from the dust of the earth. Does this sound familiar, like modern science & cosmology?
Gericho49 8 months ago
@Gericho49 Being atheist simply means claiming lack of theistic belief. That's not the same as claiming knowledge of there being no possibility of any god(s). The Bible, by listing the descendants from Adam on down, implies that humans have only been here a few thousand years, and says that Adam was created from dirt, rather than evolving from lower life forms. Science shows that to be just plain wrong.
ndrthrdr1 8 months ago
Can u tell me why u are a "convinced atheist" & not just a doubter or agnostic? There are a lot of sad, rude belligerint God haters on YT but u seem like a genuine truth seeker. The existence or non-existence of aliens really doesnt prove God either way, surely? Dawkins only suggests aliens "seeded earth" but that still raises questions like who seeded the aliens who seeded them? If earth didnt produce life naturally why should we expect another life-permitting planet could do a better job?
Gericho49 9 months ago
Before u try 2 explain how life came from non-life, we1st must ask 1 Why does anything exist?2 If something exists now does that "thing" have an eternal past 3 why should the universe be finite & rationally intelligible as well as life-permitting? 4Why should it obey immaterial laws & abstract maths? 5Did those laws create themselves 6 Is matter & energy all there is 6 Did intelligence evolve from rocks 7 are we just a cosmic accident in a deathbound universe. 8.Why do we ask "why" questions?
Gericho49 9 months ago
@Gericho49 ya why does somthing exist rather than nothing...no use tryin to figure that one out..things just exist
yes that SOMTHING is eternal it has to be..no other way to explain it
jmacisdope2 9 months ago
@jmacisdope2 "yes that SOMTHING is eternal it has to be..no other way to explain it"
No sorry, its modern science thats telling us all matter space & time came into existence a finite time ago (Penrose/Hawking) Hilbert, one of the greatest mathemeticians, “The infinite as in infinite past time is nowhere to be found in reality. It neither exists in nature nor provides a legitimate basis for rational thought. The role that remains for the infinite…is solely that of an idea…”
Prodigalfather1 8 months ago
@jmacisdope2 Alex Vilenkin, Russian cosmologist "With the proof now in place, current cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape: we have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning."
Prof. Freeman Dyson theoretical physicist "The more we understand about the universe the more it seems like it knew we were coming."
Prodigalfather1 8 months ago
@Prodigalfather1 yes u right it did all come into existance a finite time ago and the infinite past was BEFORE the universe etc.. u absolutly right!! its no were in reality cuz it transends the natural realm!! thats y i belive God is the cause cuz hes Eternal/Infinite..do u agree?
jmacisdope2 8 months ago
@jmacisdope2 IN the Bible it says several time "before the beginning of time" which implies that God exists independent of time. This was verified by Penrose/Hawking model using Eintein's quatum mechanical model
Prodigalfather1 8 months ago
@jmacisdope2 u really need to study some basic science: Alex Vilenkin, Russian cosmologist "With the proof now in place, current cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape: we have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning."
Read Penrose/Hawkings findings. Get educated
Gericho49 8 months ago
@Gericho49 I wanted to comment on one thing. You asked the question: "Why should the universe be finite and rationally intelligible as well as life-permitting?"
The problem with this logic is that with you making this statement, you are merely putting it into rational thought. You can't escape it. Even belief in a god tries to take a intelligible approach to existence. So, your argument eats itself.
AConvincedAtheist 8 months ago
@AConvincedAtheist Your right, man didnt discover abstract laws he invented the math that defines our rationally intelligible universe. Such is the logical absurdity of a blind atheist. On ur count, Einstein must be wrong when without a Creator he said, "the only thing incomprehensible about the universe is that it is comprehensible" Apparently your disbelief in God " tries to take a intelligible approach" but is just the product of the random generation of mindless molecules in motion.
Prodigalfather1 8 months ago
@AConvincedAtheist Actually it was Einstein who said "the only thing incomprehensible about the universe, is that it IS COMPREHENSIBLE" Without God Einstein cannot explain why the world should be rationally intelligible, why abstract scientific laws exist or where they came from. So In your worldview intelligence is illusory, just chemical reactions in brain tissue, right? When all reality is reducible to mindless matter logic doesnt even exist. Such is the absurdity of atheism. Think about it
Gericho49 8 months ago