Futureweapons-IAR

[AK4711892]

Light.slim.short.more rails. Airborne should be issued this instead of a short stock SAW. Overall more convient.

[Str8Up51]

I hated carrying my dam 249 downrange. I would love to get my hands on one of these though.

[MultiSr16]

cool., ill take this and 10 surefire 60 rounders for the win Pat !!!

[xxdennisgxx]

Instead of having 22 mags. This weapon is also a lot lighter than the M249. Its got many ambidextrious components, a free floating barrel, free floating rail system, and gas pusher rod system. And yes its purpose was intentially to replace the M249 SAW, but the users had added some comments asking about it replacing the M16 also.

[xxdennisgxx]

The IAR is a great weapon and anyone who wants to say different can keep their mouths closed cause I use this weapon. And yes I was issued the saw, but now the IAR is the new issue. The IAR fires faster then the SAW, keeps cool longer, rarely do you have to clean it cause of the 90% of carbon it releases, its a 2 MOA weapon with match grade, also making it a dm weapon with the correct powered scope as well. The main thing I think needs to be changed about this rifle is there should be drums.

[shamrock84922]

@Fox11010 becuz it was in semi silly

[popeto17]

The IAR concept is now in production by H&K using the m416 cooling system so now it runs even cooler than this version in the video

[M40]

yea this is gonna be nice to take up against taliban RPKs and PKMs

you better hope to God that 240 gunners are nearby to support your ass or youll be outgunned and pinned.

and dont come up with that superior marksmanship of the rifleman bullshit

[M40]

what kind of retard called this an M4 heavy machine gun?

this is only an automatic rifle, not even machine gun class

[csmybuttt]

This open/closed bolt design isn't revolutionary. I think the FG42 had the same fire mode.

[murphxbox]

@csmybuttt It don't think it should replace the M249 completely. Just within an assault section, it would still have it's uses as part of the FSG.

[gsm1091]

Too bad the Marine Corps settled with the HK IAR entry, and not this one. But HK makes good stuff, so I'm guessing it's all good. But if the IAR competition wasn't just a sneaky way to get around red tape to get a new rifle, I'm skeptical. Something that doesn't have a quick change barrel can't outright replace the SAW. But the idea of a bridge weapon between carbine and squad automatic is interesting, and definitely has it's uses.

[psychoclown420]

So you're telling me, that the m4 was designed NOT to work??

[Dominic53193]

do the saw and the iar shoot the same round?

[ferrarithief]

@Dominic53193 Yeah they both fire 5.56mmx45 NATO

[rockbandroker221]

the iar could replace the m16 or m4, but not the SAW

[alexa1219]

@rockbandroker221 no the Marines want to replace the Saw

[alexa1219]

i heard that a lot of Marines are wondering how to teach the other Marines with this wepeon because they think it wont be the same with saw technics with the iar

[csmybuttt]

Other than looking inconspicuous and being lighter, I see no benefit of this over the SAW.

[murphxbox]

@csmybuttt

-Magazine compatibility with other members in your squad/section

-Weapon parts compatibility with other weapons in the squad/section in case something fails.

-Greater accuracy

-Ability to fire in both open and closed bolts.

-Weapons layout familiarity, decreasing training time.

-Enemies will not be able to identify which soldier in a squad/section is the gunner because the weapons look the same.

Among others

[csmybuttt]

@murphxbox

The M249 can take both magazines and belts

Its heavy weight makes it more controllable under full auto fire

Heavy barrel and open bolt make prolonged suppressive fire possible

In all, the IAR is nice here and there, but not enough to replace the SAW. It's not meant to kill enemies, but offer suppressive fire. Replacing is not worth the money and manpower.

[murphxbox]

@csmybuttt

The whole point of a Section Automatic Weapon is to provide lightweight mobile light suppressive fire within assault sections as they make their assault. They need their manoeuvrability so "Its heavy weight makes it more controllable under full auto fire" isn't exactly a benefit, it has to be as light as possible while still providing firepower thats needed. Thats exactly what this is optimised for. Main fire support would come from the FSG via M240's.

[LieutenantScout]

@murphxbox This doesn't have a quick change barrel. Plus, the M249 can take Standard m4/M16 magazine with the dual belt fed and magazine fed system. The IAR is a stupid idea, plus the M249 isn't even heavy. Even loaded.

[shamrock84922]

@LieutenantScout yeah it kinda is heavy when u gotta carry it for a 13mnth tour lol and those mags never work in the saw, unless u use a PMAG ofcoarse

[THEKINGOFMETROPOLIS]

@LieutenantScout First off the M249 doesn't feed STANAGS well at all because of the feed angle. We were getting flyers everywhere at 200 yards. The IAR isnt meant to replace the SAW. The SAW is being moved from a squad level asset to the company level. The IAR is a sneaky way for the USMC to arm their grunts with a new standard carbine with out the Army and DOD BS red tape!

[iCoptici]

@murphxbox you can still tell the differance between an M4 and an IAR. for one the bipod, for 2 the fully automatice weapon shooting at you.

[murphxbox]

@iCoptici

1: In the video that is a pistol grip with a built in bipod that folds up into the grip. It can be taken off, and it is also commonly seen on M4's.

2: M4's can fire in fully automatic mode as well.

[flippyflapalex960]

the I.A.R. tares shit up

[fireinthehole19]

i think the m468 or REC 7 will replace the m4 n m16

[11251309]

this is the m416 model but in different but the standar rifle is not adopt because the army choose the SCAR

[bismarckkyle16]

You are a FN fan, and Im not sure that you are American either.

Anyway Ill inform you. So far only the 75th Rangers have used the SCAR. I greatly approve of this. The M16 has had its life and needs to be retired. However, the IAR is for the Marine Corps and is a Automatic Weapon for the Squad. The SCAR is an assualt rifle for the individual infantryman. So far the Commandant of the Marine Corps is pressing forward for the IAR, and the Marine Corps is not the Army.

[marleynrs8]

well i guess we'll just see how this works out. they say they'll be testing them in combat by next spring,im optimistic. this is a very reliable system(h&k),accurate,and light. nobody likes to carry the SAW,even though it has nice firepower. nobody likes to carry the extra barrels and ammo belts. so far all those reasons its great. but then its ammo capacity. 30 rds and possibly drums prone to failure. well, looks like the weight lost from carrying saw will be made up with tons of mags.

[bismarckkyle16]

A lot of Marine Gunners I know are complaning about how they wont have the firepower with a 30 round magazine compared to a 200 round drum with the M249. A whole lot of grunts do not like the M249 because of its feeding problems (Me included, but I am not a 0311 Rifleman) Im hoping they can Include Drum Magzines, and we could carry that in the pouch easily, then everyone would be happy. Russia made a 100 round magazine with the AK, and it worked well. I think we can too.

[bismarckkyle16]

The problem I saw from the failures, is the Magazine not catching. When I load a magazine and rack it and think I make it condition one and doesnt fire, nine times out of ten the Magazine didnt catch fully. So hitting it usually works. But I think the problem is the magazine catch, and with the Beta C magazines ( I have never seen or used one in person) I heard that the problem is that those magazines dont catch, and I believe that. HK makes their own magazines and feed system, maybe it will wor

[marleynrs8]

yeah i mean im not a Marine yet so i dont know. theyre looking into large capacity magazines, so i just hope they find a good one. an HK one would be great, pretty much everything they make is reliable. i heard the problem with the Beta C's are the springs. i believe the IAR concept can work, but i think they should have invested in a better LMG. i forget but theres this LMG from some Singapore company that has awesome reliablity and is lightweight. belt-fed, too.

[bismarckkyle16]

Are you in the DEP program?

[marleynrs8]

no i have to finish high school first. haha im a freshman. so itll be another 3 yrs. i just like looking this type of thing up because im obsessed with the Marines,and pretty much anything military. yeah i agree the G36 mag system could work,ive thought about it, but that would be pretty bulky and the first and last mags would have alot of weight on them from the others, you know? it would set it off balance and could really wear down the mag well.

[marleynrs8]

however, a very reliable hi-cap mag would serve the same purpose. the perfect combo would be a belt fed H&K IAR. :)

[bismarckkyle16]

I was thinking. With the G36, they have snap on clips on the sides, so you can stack at the most 6 magazines .

[djv38]

@marleynrs8

FN developed/had a 150 round mag (looks similar to the Beta C mag) for their IAR submission. Funny thing with the IAR competition is that they changed the requirements, dropping the firing from an open and closed bolt requirement and the drum mag (which wasn't exactly a requirement, but stated that they wanted them for further development).

[marleynrs8]

yeah its weird they basically want a 21st century BAR. i think if H&K make their own 150 rd mag this'll work out great though.

[bismarckkyle16]

Haha,. I just read the new issue of Leatherneck, and they had an advertisement on a 150 round magazine for the IAR. Badass. So they do exist.

[marleynrs8]

sweet.

[Efferion]

@bismarckkyle16 I was wondering why he want demoing a larger mag coz a standard size mag is pretty much useless if you want it as a suppressive weapon.

[bismarckkyle16]

@Efferion I dont understand what demoing is.

I am guessing that it means doesn't. Well a larger mag is always wanted with machine gunners and automatic riflemen. More firepower without having to reload. Like I said above, they are already making magazines that are capable of having 150 rounds fit into the IAR. I dont know if its issued stuff or if gunners will have to buy it.

[steel939]

the beta c mag might have strained the lower reciever so it might have messed up they want to show fire rate only

[bismarckkyle16]

Hecklar and Koch makes the best guns in the world. I approve. Btw lmao "The M4 is reliable." lmao hahaha. I have had my A4 jam many times just crawling in sand. Reliable my ass.

[11251309]

pfff heckler and koch are not that good compare to fabrique national

[bismarckkyle16]

This would seem like an argument of Opinion. I cannot argue against your opinion. However FN does make great weapons (SCAR, M240, P90) They have had some great failures. (M249. I have had many jams and feed problems with that fucking monster) Also they make my M16A4, and that left a bad taste in my mouth, because I hate M16s. You are a FN fan, and I like FN, its my second favorite company, I just like HK a little more. There is something about German Quality.

[MrHamroast]

I carried a SAW around in the USMC. I found that the great firepower of it was almost negated by the weight with the extra barrel, and multiple belts of ammo. It's simply too much for a fire team to carry who already have their own weapons, flak jackets and sapi plates. I support this switch. I wonder if the carbon builds up fast like in a M16.

[marleynrs8]

no it doesnt because its piston operated. look up the h&k 416,the one the Marines are adopting is the same except for a heavier barrel,bayonet lug,and other small things.

[Oxstayne]

so BADASS

[navyseal900]

Well, it's finally official, it's the Corps new SAW. Crazy that they would replace a 200 round capacity with a 30, and 7.62 caliber with a 5.56.

[menckencynic]

Is this the same IAR? I mean, is it H&K? The Marine Corp Times said it chose the H&K IAR, which it says is a closed bolt IAR, but this one is clearly open bolt. Just curious.

[skisch12]

The saw shoots a 5.56 not a 7.62, also there are different drum style mags that are being tested. However I'm still skeptical.

[PetrolDemon]

the saw fires the same bullet

[navyseal900]

Yeah, I temporarily forgot about the whole 5.56 to 7.62 difference there. Even so, accuracy by volume, ie. suppression, is the purpose of the SAW. With this switch, that's not necessarily as attainable as you might want, I would think.

[mrjimmyos]

Damn, I didn't know about rounds being cooked and going off

[llamafads]

if they added a larger magizine to this weapon it would preform the same as the saw. it would only make sence

[Magni56]

They're already working on high-capacity magazines with 100 and 150 bullets respectively.

[MatoVuc]

this is one of the dumest ideas i've ever seen... replacing a belt fed lmg with a open bolt rifle for suppresion fire is simply stupid... how can you sustain suppression fire if you have to switch mags all the time? and even if you do ask your buddy to give you a clip, and he does, well, your taking away his ammo, so he has less to work with... there are far better ways to work out these limitations of the saw, and this is deffinetly not it..

[mmafan1775]

drum mags.

[MatoVuc]

and what would you get? a quazi MG, colts version of the mg36 or rpk or whatever...

it's still nothing compared to to a belt fed...

if you really want to work around the length of the MINIMI mass produce the mk46 version... this is just dumb...

[londonsunao]

drum magazines indeed

and they do,they make this gun in Nato 7.62x51mm right?????????

with 100 round drum magazine??????

[skyofcastle]

nice one! m4 platfrom and saw function!

[madpaintbalerx]

Um, no. The SAW has a 200 round belt. This has a 30 round magazine. It is the dumbest idea ever. All they are doing is replacing the SAW with a more reliable M4.

In addition, the reason why you cant easily use just an M16 with a 100 round drum is because it uses the DI system, swhich causes a lot of heat transfer to the bolt, and can cause rounds to cook off. Gas piston rifles will work far better, but we don't have one thanks to the retards running our military.

[Ozzi2rek]

Who makes the IAR?

[EliteOps1]

Contracts for sample weapons have been awarded to FN Herstal, which is providing an IAR variant of the FN SCAR; Heckler & Koch; and Colt Defense, which is providing two competing designs.

[navyseal900]

Heckler and Koch

[FordDriver94]

Well your an idiot, it was fireing in Semi-auto, not Full-auto

[Legomyegoorj]

That's because it was in semi-auto mode. If it was in full auto it wouldn't be closed.

[RoyalDog214]

M4 + New Upper Reciever + Drum Mag

OMG OMG The new IAR!! Omg It's so Revolutionary!!!!

[stanslie]

I'm sure there are a lot of reasons, but why wouldn't they just replace the standard infantry rifle with this?

[TULOK9]

because it would cost so much money and they don't want automatic rifles for every soldier

[physcogear]

all rifles used by the marines are automatic enless they are bolt action sniper rifles

[TULOK9]

i was talking about FULLY automatic rifles

[fisher7654]

No.All Marines don't carry full auto weapons. The only full auto weapon used by the infantry is the M249 Saw. and now staff NCO's and officer's are starting to carry the M4 which is Semi/Auto.

The standard issue rifle for the Marine Corps is M16A2, Semi/Burst modes(phasing out). In OIF Marines also used the M16A4 same as the A2, but has a flat top receiver and picatinny rails, which will become Marine's standard rifle.

[weltermike]

SAW being replaced with IAR in 2010 for USMC. MOS 0311 with qualify at SOI with the IAR instead of the M16A_.

[digitalfields]

Yes the bolt stays cooler but why didn't he puor water over the barrel of the IAR? Because it would have done the same thing! the firing of rounds through the barrel creates heat. The open bolt only helps with the disipation of that heat. The barrel will still heat up, especially when firing on full auto. But this does look like a nice weapon and the magazine looks to be longer than a thirty round clip.

[dergin38467]

i think theyre gonna use c-mags in that think though

[Claytono145]

@digitalfields the new Heckler and Koch 416 uses a gas piston that pushes the bolt back...in a stress test where they shot 10 thirty rounds mags through it in a row, they took the bolt out immediately after the 10th mag and held it....now thats some crazy disipation of heat.

[LieutenantScout]

@digitalfields Thirty round clip? It takes a magazine. Not a clip.

[digitalfields]

@LieutenantScout Who the hell are you? Do you make observations on peoples comments just to be an ass? "Clip" is slang for Magazine. I'm not writing a field manual here, just observing what I saw in the video! And I don't take too well to some fanboy who's never humped the SAW or any other weapon on the battlefield, telling me that I was wrong for saying clip instead of magazine!!

Join the marines and leave the discussion to actual soldiers & veterans like myself.

[LieutenantScout]

@digitalfields If you were in the Marines, then you would know the difference between a "clip" and a "magazine"

A clip is a device to feed cartridges into a magazine. A magazine is a device that feeds cartridges into the chamber of a firearm.

No need to get your panties in a bunch. I just corrected you.

Plus, I can talk to whoever the hell I want, and I can't join the Marines at age 15.

I've carried around the real M249, and shot it for traning exercises, aswell as the Colt M4 commando.

[digitalfields]

@LieutenantScout Like I said, am I writing a field manual? No.

Are you're a snot nosed kid who thinks he knows everything? Yes.

Just wait until you get into the Marines, they will definitely straighten your shit out! Especially the one who knows it all. Your weekend with the M249 at baby camp is no substitute for 4 1/2 years of up close and personal use with the weapons you dream you had used. So don't come back with anymore shit Noah until you actually grow-up and gain some field experience.

[LieutenantScout]

@digitalfields You mad, brah?

Somebody is butthurt.

[pakchris]

what i dont get is why are they replacing machine guns with assault rifles?...the purpose the machine gun is to add heavy support with its belt fed 100 round box magazine isnt that itself give it a good reason to use when in need of support or covering fire?

[chilimac17]

The M249 isn't designed for heavy support, it's a light machine gun. Marine rifle squads will still have an attached medium machine gun team from the weapons platoon with the M240G.

[starwolf1987]

THe army is looking at replacing the saw with the MK 46

[dergin38467]

mk46 is for spec-ops only, not conventional,  just like the fn-scar

[xVIPERxAP]

No the army is considering it and also FN and HK both built a SCAR IAR and a 416 IAR for the marines, they are looking at taking the socom weapons and puting them in to regular infantry use dute to the reliability and plus MARSOC is looking to clycle its people back into infantry units so the fact that they would be using a fimilar weapon is a plus.

[starwolf1987]

I know but the army is still considering adopting the MK 46 i read about it in the Army times

[sethdeason16]

who makes the IAR

[Miami4Title09]

LWRC

[neji1030]

so this is pretty much an M4 with a different bolt and a higher rate of fire? correct me if im wrong

[kyledurussel]

correct marines and army replacing saws with em soon

[pearldrum1]

Yeah, they also beefed up the barrel... had to be thicker for the higher rate of fire. Other than that... yeah. Awesome huh? haha.

[toadbear]

I fucking hate this guy, I hate this guy so so much. He acts like the simplest shit is fucking cutting edge face melting excellence.

Oh shit, this gun has a little flap that will save ten lives for each user. OH SHIT, THIS BAD BOY TAKES MAGAZINES.

HOLY SHIT, FUCKING MAGAZINES.

Our marines need more Desert Eagles.

[vinnyraf]

You can use standard mags with the saw also... And he touched the bolt which doesnt get very hot in an m4 where he touched until after a lot of rounds... He shoulda stuck his finger in the chamber hahaha!

[lockstepgone999]

Actually there replacing the SAW within a year (atleast some of them) This is one of the few that there looking at to replace some of the SAW's. You can say so long to fire superiority with this weapon. The army apprently isn't looking into replacing the SAW.

[lonewolf1405]

you can get the same fire superiority with a 100 rnd drum mag for this gun

[Ragzz1234]

Uh, contradicting yourself much? "Actually there replacing the SAW within a year " and then "The army apprently isn't looking into replacing the SAW. "

[knight6]

the MARINES are using this to replace the SAW, though they are keeping SAWS around if they need them. the ARMY is not going to use this weapon, yet.

[LostProphecy777]

HA! I noticed how the IAR had the USMC logo...I just got out of the Corps and I bet you it will be another 15 years until we see that weapon out in the field. We get stuck with Vietnam shit.

[chrisgreycg]

that's why the US bureaucracy sucks ass...they should just decomission the M16s an bring the HK 416s and IAR long bolts.

[kramnahillac]

I think they make a drum mag for most weapons even the IAR but the mag makes it easier the get around in urban warzones. Drums and belt boxes are to bulky and get caught on stationary objects in your surroundings making it possible to dislodge your ammunition and mess up your weapon, and possibly alert your enemy to your presence.

[gunmonkey1185]

As former Saw gunner in Infantry; I would love to have this kind of capabilities instead of M249. I would have couple of Beta Mag 100rd mags handy for this weapon.

[youtiub]

i guess so,i never lay my hand on any firearms b4. thanks for sharing~

[MOS0311]

man where did you serve?

the way I see it, this is just another one of those bullshit moves by the higher ups like with the M16, now they realized they cant even afford to give us belt fed wpns.

what a great idea, make everything mag fed and in 5.56

they aint taking me

[MOS0311]

mine

[paulguy89]

ya seriously. y would u have a saw with only 30 rounds? u cant supress an enemy with only 30 rounds. ya imagine the saw gunner would slap a drum mag in one of these puppies

[RaggaRasta]

a drum mag with 100 rounds would be sweet for this thing like the MG36

[RaggaRasta]

I hear ya, I was a M249 gunner for 4 years and it was ok but this thing is alot better and hope the military puts it into production, i can not tell you how many times that thing jammed on me in the heat of battle with all that sand

[deltaecho1]

what happens if you get sand or mud jammed up in the open position?

[M40]

@gunmonkey1185

youre a fucking retard, youve got to be a weak soldier, not a Marine.

we're stepping back 90 years in full auto development to the idea of the BAR with this piece of shit