@MrHookystig In the shots were I was using a lighter load you will notice that this did not happen. My guess is that most shooters prior to a combat situation would simply tie a bit of string or leather around the barrel and lever. Chances were that you would not be reloading during a battle.
Haha so no shit its a replica still badass. A original was sold in perfect condition for nearly a million dollars anyone with a original I highly doubt would be shooting it
That was not even close to a long enough wait for a hang fire. With the second hang fire you rotated and fired immediately. That is just plain stupid! Don't post videos that show the most dangerous manner to shoot a black powder revolver to new shooters. Hence having a possible crossfire with the cylinder out of clock! Which normally results in injury and gun destruction JEZZE! Activate a brain cell or two.
@Ghstwn I have been shooting BP revolvers for 35+ years and have never witnessed or even heard of a crossfire occurring. These projectiles are very tightly swaged into the chambers and then coated with lube. This tight metal to metal fit is not much different than the crimp seal on a modern cartridge. I will grant you that it was poor form on my part to not wait longer to rotate the cylinder since people new to BP would be watching.
@albionsseed Not witnessing or ever hearing about a crossfire is irrelevent. It's mentioned in every black powder shooting manual and guide. I've never had nor seen one either. I don't ever want too. But that is the whole reason for coating the ball or using a wonder wad. (Which is my choice) It also lubricates the barrel a bit too. Good shooting to you and stay safe is all, ;)
Try my New 240 and 255 Grain Universal Black Powder Bullets in Your Walker. It will make your Walker quite a bit more Powerful. See the demonstrations of My Bullets on my You Tube Channel and Mr. Hovey Smiths as well.
Excellent! Thanks for posting this. I have a question but it is probably dumb since I haven't owned or shot a BP firearm (but am thinking of getting one.) You showed the charge measure but I didn't see you use it. How do you measure out the right charge using only the powder flask? I must have missed something.
I think what you hear there is the cap first, and then the powder load, there is a miniscule delay sometimes, as you also hear on the shot before the misfire
I don't know why, but I giggled every time you shot the 60 grain charges. I found quite amusing the fact that the ramrod keeps falling into the spent cylinders and the amount of noise and smoke that "old" revolver makes every time you shoot it. Would love to own one, but in my neck of the woods in Europe, it's almost impossible to own one.
Three possible reasons for your measuring mistake : your cronographer is broken, or you didn't use a full power load, which shouldn't be tried in a non-replica gun, or you didn't use a cronographer and your target setup, ballistic jelly or whatever, somehow advantaged the .38spl and made it look more powerful than it actually is.
Is it possible to reload the Walker with a pre-loaded cylinder to save time, like the 1860 Colt Army? I know this isn't exactly the way the firearm is designed to be used, but it seemed to work fine for many period users.
@805Loncho Usually a second cap will do the job. If not a very small quantity of very finely ground powder poured into the nipple along with a new cap will work.
@glynamus That was the first time I had fired it. The factory protectant did not blow out as easily as an after cleaning wipe of oil. No problem, it was pretty damn cold when I shot the vid and wasn't up for any retakes.
I like to see people enjoy shooting black powder. I think most of the comments are very helpful and i wish i had access to them when i first started. wipe it down before reloading and take your time and have fun. they do have hang ups now and then but remember, you can send it to the factory and they will fix whats wrong with it. the worst i have found is some pistoles had not so good timing and need to be tuned. the other is a very tight wedge. otherwise they are good to go. =)
im confused u ran only percusion caps threw it to make sure it was working but when u did one was clearly not working properly. Why do it if ur not gonna notice the error?
@ekajeht When I fully disassembled the firearm I found that the half cocked position was fully dogged as one would find in a side lock double gun. Perhaps the original did not share this feature. Thanks for the input I I will research it.
@albionsseed The Uberti is a faithful reproduction of the original down to the half cock notch.
But even though the sear is trapped in the 1/2 cock notch , if dropped on a hard surface hitting hammer first it will shear the sear off and fire the gun if a chamber is in line.
Later improved Colts had a hole in the hammer face that could be lowered onto a pin between the chambers on the cylinder to carry the gun safely with 6 rounds without fear of it going off if dropped.
@ekajeht wrong sorta, there is a very small nipple between the nipples. the cylinder is rotated half way and the hammer can rest perfectly on this very small nipple. a fully loaded pistol can then be safely carried.
i keep tied a very small loop of string on my barrel so the loading lever wont fall down, just slip the string forward and reload. although your wasting powder when loading this revolver full throttle.
you no why they don't go off all the time its because we've switched from fulminate of mercury to the new propellant that is safer but not as reliable because you need to hit it really hard and the springs cant always get it
@ncktbs It isn't that it is safer. That has nothing to do with it. What it had to do with was the fact that that mixture, like other later Cartridge Primer compounds were extremely corrosive to the barrel, chambers, and other misc. Gun parts. This was not solved until remington came out with their "Klean Bore" ammunition. Now, with such a large powder charge, what should be in use is the Magnum versions of the #11 cap to provide a slightly hotter flame.
I think if I were looking for a colt cap and ball, I'd prefer a dragoon to aviod the loading lever drop problem..but if you want the original, there's only one...The walker colt...great vid.!
Did anyone notice one chamber was "funny" when the caps were being fired?? It sounded like a nipple was plugged. A flattened cap also fell out? Maybe that was the hangfire.
Did anyone notice one cylinder was "funny" when the caps were being fired?? It sounded like a nipple was plugged. A flattened cap also fell out? Maybe that was the hangfire.
awesome video, very well done, i have 2 questions, 1, is that a cimarron revolver? and 2, do you have problems with the loading lever falling down while you are shooting? iv been trying to descide between the walker colt and the Whitneyville Dragoon, i like both but something that kinda worries me is that the 1847 walker doesnt have a locking loading lever. what are your thoughts? i really want a cap and ball revolver
@glynamus Using Round balls, yes. A 44-45 caliber Round ball will only weigh around 150 gr. I forget the exact amount. However, Colt Revolver molds had two cavities, a ball, and bullet. The bullet mold cast a bullet weighing around 246 to 250 grs. Weight adds to the Power. With that combination The walker was Lethal on both man and horse to 200 yards. In fact, That 60gr Powder Charge is about the Same as was used in Civil War Muskets.
@TheFoundersWereRight The heavier bullets have less energy than the lighter ones, since they are slower, but they have more momentum. Your statement that "Weight adds to the Power" is an opinion. But the pointed bullets certainly keep their power on longer ranges than the round ones.
@Pribor3B Increasing the weight and momentum does yield a more powerful load. It is hard to explain because in many cases we cannot explain the major differences in real world on target performance, when the pre calculated paper balistics would suggest a different result. Due to length, I cannot cite the example I am thinking of reguarding a 358 winchester and a 300 Wthby, but if you like I will send it to you in a private message where the length restrictions would not apply.
@Pribor3B It should also be noted that in many cases, the heavier bullet even though slower, has similar energy calculations to the lighter bullet, unless the lighter bullet is moving a heck of a lot faster. As an example, a 200gr 350 rem mag load at 2700fps, and a 250gr load at a hair over 2400 fps have similar energy. This is because energy calculations are based first on bullet weight at a certain velocity.
@TheFoundersWereRight *tired of switching so i'll reply with this account* It depends, really. Usually, a round's kinetic energy peaks with a certain bullet weight and increasing or decreasing that mass without changing the power load only decreases kinetic energy. But factory bullets may be well over or under that ideal mass, leading to some rounds benefiting the most from either an increase in velocity or bullet mass. I'm quite sure 12g is the ideal weight for my 1858...
but that may be completely different for the Walker's 60 grains, and powder burn rate has an effect too. Anyway, from 10 to 20 g of lead, a Walker remains nearly 3 times as powerful as a .38. About what is better in practice, kinetic energy or momentum, let's not get into this debate or it'll never end, experts still do not agree on the question. Generally, a lighter bullet will require to fragment or expand because that's its only way of dumping energy into the target and not needling though.
@OldDirtyRatbastard Notching Bullets to increase early expansion or fragmentation was considered a dirty tactic at the time, but did happen. However, since black powder has a fixed burn rate, that does not come into effect here. Also, the formula for energy is based on a bullets weight at a given speed, not a powder's burn rate. I notice you made comment on "Energy dumping". This is another theory debate that as you say, "Will never end." I'll send you a email with why.
@TheFoundersWereRight I meant that burn rate differs between powders, so 60grs in a Walker can work best with a bullet weight or another depending on powder composition and grinding thinness. And just to be a smartass, you can calculate the muzzle speed of a bullet knowing its mass, its friction coefficient with the barrel, the surface of the part of it that's exposed to the powder and that powder's volumic expansion rate in atmospheric pressure. But using a cronograph is indeed simpler.
@OldDirtyRatbastard indeed, but that is the interesting thing about black powder, it's burnrate is basically fixed fixed. Grind size can affect pressure, but I will state that 60 grs of powder will burn at the same rate as 40grs when it comes to black powder. That is why there is such a low velocity spread with it as compared to smokeless powder where you can see spreads as high as 50 feet a second or higher for the extremes. It is very stable.
@TheFoundersWereRight Indeed, a 1858 holds about 44 grains instead of 60 but can reach nearly the same velocities than the walker, provided that the barrel isn't too short.
@sukiari True that. On replica revolvers though, the assembly precision is quite good, the gap looks like it's around 0.1 or 0.2 mm, and can be adjusted by screwing the barrel. I've always thought that the pressure loss was negligible, kinda like what escapes through the chimney. Do you have an idea of what percentage of gas is lost that way ?
@glynamus A round lead .44 bullet weighs 11-12g, 60 grains of BP push it to approx. 370 m/s. Kinetic energy=0.5*mass*speed²=0.5*0.011*370²=753 Joules, a similarly long barreled .357 magnum revolver shoots at 770 Joules, a 38 special at a comparatively weak 250J.
I've made chronograph tests on a similar BP gun (12 inches remington 1858) and a 12g lead bullet does attain 370m/s.
Paper Cartridges would speed up the reload considerably, which allows 2 or 3 Whole Cylinders to be fired in a minute by a skilled User, Tho even with paper cartridges, I can imagine that being quite hard to achieve under fire. It's a marked advantage over the 2-3 shots/min a Springfield Rifled Musket can manage and It's nearly as powerful.
I use the pre-cut wads between the powder and the ball when I press it down. That grease you are using is expensive. Some use vasoline or axel grease. Do you think the pre cut wads are good or bad to use between the powder charge and the ball?
I use the pre-cut wads between the powder and the ball when I press it down. That grease you are using is expensive. Some use vasoline or axel grease. Do you think the pre cut wads are good or bad to use between the powder charge and the ball?
if your shooting real black powder or other, you should carry a cloth soaked in borebutter. give the gun a wipe or two before each reloading. Caps do fall into the cavity between where the hammer and frame are. Best to point the pistol up and cock to make sure this doesnt happen. some gun ranges will not let you do this! so check and ask first. the loading lever will flop down on you if you use a stout load. you can use a small rubber band. dont push the wedge past the frame, flush only!
i like the brass frames-- i know some people complain that they can stretch but thats only if you're an idiot who fires max loads and dont take care of it
For those who want an extra measure of safety, you can put a wonder seal over the ball. (different product than wonder wad).Also purchase cap guards which is slide over cap and nipple. Best invetion ever made! Stops cap from falling into action and also prevents chain fires which have been proven by slow motion video to occur at the nipple. Cap guards are at october country. Have fun guys
Great video albionseed. Been reading all the posts and just wanted to add something that might help some shooters. I use triple seven in my gun and it is MUCH cleaner and cleans up easier with water. It is more expensive though. Also if you load a wonder wad over the powder you can skip the grease.
Great video albionseed. Been reading all the posts and just wanted to add something that might help some shooters. I use triple seven in my gun and it is MUCH cleaner and cleans up easier with water. It is more expensive though. Also if you load a wonder wad over the powder you can skip the grease.
Great video albionseed. Been reading all the posts and just wanted to add something that might help some shooters. I use triple seven in my gun and it is MUCH cleaner and cleans up easier with water. It is more expensive though. Also if you load a wonder wad over the powder you can skip the grease.
Personally,I use 90 grain round ball and always use a wad (Wonder Wad). I was not pleased with Borebutter at all opting instead for bullet lube or prelubed ball. I also use American Pioneer FFFG Powder making the gun much easier to clean. I you use a Wonder Wad, Borebutter is unessessary.
Not much of a project while sitting at the work bench, in the field and under fire, well that's a different story. I will be posting a vid on this subject soon since it is a popular question.
All the historical information I have read says that the gun was intended to take 60 grains. Due to inconsistencies with the metallurgy at the time the chambers did sometimes rupture with the intended 60 grain loads. The lever falling was also a problem in the original. Only about 1,000 Walkers were made. Samuel Colt used the knowledge gained from the Walker to design the 1848 Dragoon. That has a smaller cylinder and was designed for 50 grains. Also has a lever latch near the front.
The replica is made with modern day metallurgy consistency and has been proven time and time again to be able to handle the 60 grain loads. I have remedied the falling lever with a thin leather sleeve that slides over the barrel and lever.
@tsafa1 The Walker's intended charge was 50 grains under a 220 grain conical bullet; a round ball is shorter, so a charge of 60 grains can be loaded.
Eli Whitney made the Walkers for Colt's military contract, and by mistake made the cylinders from iron rather than steel. The iron Walker cylinder could stand a full charge of FFg musket powder, but would often rupture using fine-grained FFFg rifle powder.
The Colt Dragoon replacing the Walker had a steel cylinder safe with heavy FFFg loads.
Cont: The Walker's service loading of 50 grain charge under 220 grain conical was a duplication of the loading for the .54 Musketoon carried by Mounted Infantry (Dragoons), which used a 55 grain charge under a patched .530 ball weighing 220 grains. The .450" Walker chambers could duplicate the .530" ball weight only by using a conical bullet.
Uberti Dragoon replicas are very powerful, chronographing at 1100+ fps with 40 grains Swiss BP FFFg under a 220 grain conical bullet.
I have a question on shooting conicals. I only shoot ball. Is the conical shaved the same way the ball is when you ram it in? I thought the purpose of the conical is that was easy to ram because it was smaller then the bore but would expand on firing to grip the rifling. I don't see what advantage it gives over a lead ball in a revolver.
Based on what I read in Percussion Pistols and Revolvers by Bate & Cumpston, none of the Colt Ball and Cap revolvers shipped with recommended loads. There are no documented recommendation from Colt. That was left up to the user to decide. We know that they often used 60 grain loads in the Walkers and that the cylinders often ruptured for the reason you said, Soft Iron. If they were made of steel, they would have been able to handle the 60 grain loads. Pity that for the factory error.
The book also attributed the ruptures to user error as well. The rangers initially did not lube the chambers and this caused multiple discharges, stressing the cylinder. Also, the book says that many rangers loaded the conicals backwards, thinking that the point was to ease loading into the chamber. The book says this was the major source of explosions. Unfortunately, it does not have a footnote as to their source of information. Thanks for posting the info you did.
tsfa1, For safety against chain fires, any C&B revolver bullet/ball must be oversize by a minimum of .004". Uberti accurately duplicates original Colt .44 chamber dimensions at .450", so the minimum ball/bullet diameter must be .454". Original Colt moulds often cast balls and conicals at .456" or larger.
The Lee 450-200-1R conical mould I own casts 200 grain bullets that mike .455" at the largest diameter. Lee designed that bullet specifically for original-dimensioned C&B revolvers.
The under-size bullet expanding to engage rifling is the minie-bullet for .54 and .58 muzzle loading rifles of the Civil War Era and would not be safe in C&B revolvers.
The conical bullet gives the C&B revolver greater accurate range and much greater penetration and striking force over a round ball. The .454 round ball loses over 30% of its velocity at 100yds. The .454 conical bullet will only lose 8% velocity at 100 yds due to better aerodynamics and greater sectional density.
I have a reproduction Colt Factory Broadsheet dated Jan 1, 1858. The Dragoon conical is listed as "32 to the pound" or 219 grains, and the "Directions for Loading" section lists the following loads:
1 dram(28grs), 1.25 dram(34 grs)' 1.375 drams (39 grs), "The best fine grain powder"; "N.B. It will be safe to use all the Powder the chambers will hold, when loading with the flask, leaving room for the ball, whether the Powder be strong or weak".
I also have Rapine mould # 452215. It casts a 216 gr single-grease-groove conical, .458" diameter that was duplicated from an original 6-cavity arsenal revolver gang mould circa 1859. The bullet has a 1.25D Tangent ogive nose to a point, and a .433" rebated base meant for attaching paper powder envelopes in the making of the revolver combustible cartridges common to the 1850's to 1870's period.
The bullet surprised me by being extremely accurate from my Uberti Remington Army.
I need some advice now. I shot my Walker for the first time. After the 6 rounds the cylinder became very hard to rotate. I have not experienced this with my other BP revolvers. I have no misfires until after about 24 rounds. Then it acted as if the hammer was not hitting the caps. I never experience this with any other BP revolvers either. What do you think?
I had that problem with my 1851 Navy. Pull it apart and GREASE the cylinder pin, lightly. I went to a #11 nipple as well, cut down on the crud between the cylinder and the face of the frame. Caps would fragment and create all kinds of havoc as well. You may have a weak Main Spring too. I replaced the guts in mine, works great now. Try Dixie Gunworks for a parts kit. Cabelas has kits, but not for the Walker that I've seen. Dixies s/h cost is high. Cost me $8 s/h for a $3 part.
Also make sure to pick your nipples every few loads. As I'm sure you know, Blackpowder is really dirty. Pyro is a little cleaner, but keep those nipples cleaned out. They gum up pretty quick. I would also imagine with the heavier loads of the Walker, it is going to generate more heat causing things to expand, i.e. the cylinder vs. the breach of the barrel and other areas as well. Good Luck and enjoy.
Seems like there was a spent cap mangled in the hammer action. The powder residue did not allow me to see it. I was advise to point the gun down as I cock so that the spent caps don't fall into the action.
Actually, you might want to try pointing it up then cock it. That way if the cap did fragment, when you pull the hammer it will fall out, instead of in. I had to completely disassemble my 1851 once because pieces of the cap wound up falling into the slot for the arm that rotates the cylinder. They are fun though huh?
Kind of like you would see in the movies. Apparently that's what the Cavalry soldiers actually did after firing. Shook things out and allowed them to keep going. But I don't think you'll need to reach for the sky though, just enough to be above your head.
Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. It sounds like a cap may have fallen down into the hammer recess or possibly gotten wedged between the back of the cylinder and the frame.
My 1860 army hang fires as well, not very reliable at all. Doesn't matter how well you place the cap, pack the charge etc, there's still a chance that it can hang fire.
It's fun shooting the classics, I've always had a thing for them. It's either a walker or a cartridge conversion on my next to buy list.
Do you have any cartridge conversion 1858's in 45LC?
I never have had a handfire with my 1858's (.32 & .44). What caps are you guys using. I use #10 Remmington. I tried #11 but that would get stuck on the nipples after firing.
Maybe someone has said this before but if you use real black powder like goex you will not have hang fires provided you clean your revolver and you dont get your powder wet. Pyrodex has has a much higher flash point than the real stuff and because of that goex will ignite alot faster than pyrodex or any other synthetic black powder. I shoot cap and ball all the time and I have had less hangfires in my life than you have had in you video.
That is not a real 1847 if it was I would not be firing it. This is an Italian replica. At $1,000,000 a piece that is not something a collector would fire. Pyrodex, FFFg etc are black powder substitutes. Only 1000 were made for the Army 100 for civilian and other buyers. The 44 Magnum and 357 Mag surpasses it in energy and power easily. Walker colt 140 Conical at 1200 fps=448 fpe. 45 colt BP load 450fpe 357 mag=580fpe.
You should show the general public the firing of a Walker using 50 grs. REAL black powder fffg...and not the substitute. BTW, 60 grs. is a waste because you can't burn all 60 grs. in a 9-1/2 inch barrel...whereas 50grs. will combust more thoroughly. REAL black powder produces a very loud, low pitched boom, and about 6X the amount of smoke your Pyrodex(tm) does! Make a comparison video showing BP and pyrodex side by side!!!
I take my 1858 up to 40 grains sometimes. Very strong recoil. I like big booms and a lot of power. I wish they would make a hybrid 1858 in the size of a walker. It's easier to clean and does not drop the ramrod.
Mine was manufactured by Uberti, an Italian firm. Your local gun shop should be able to hook you up with one. I bought this one about four years ago for roughly $400.00. Considering the quality, it is a rael deal.
Did they ever convert the walker colt to take brass cartriages like the did with other cap and ball revolvers beacause it looks like a pain in the arse to load and it misfires.
Equal to 357 at standard 50 grain load. You can go 60 grains for sure and I think 70 grains too. At that point I think Its going to equal a modern .44 mag.
Actually these hand loaded revolvers weren't issues to the military but instead of using flasks n stuff they had ice cream cone shaped charges they would put down the cylinder, then they ram rod it the paper will break and its nitrated
I'm confused. If he's going to use neither the in-line capper nor the charge measure, why did he bring them? Loading straight from the flask full of powder?? Really??
I have a few black powder revolvers my self, and I would suggest using wads on top of the charge instead of bore butter for a sealant on the top, I find it to be less messy.
I own an Armi San Marco Walker that I bought in 1981. I have never seen any of the other replicas except the Colt factory reproduction. Naturally the fit and finish isn't as nice as the Colt, but it is a good reliable shooter. I paid $100.00 for it at the time.
Thanks, trying to find the time for a follow up vid. Sorry to say that I am not able to comment on the Armi San Marco replicas as I have not handled one as yet.
I have an Armi San Marco Walker that I've owned for many years so I guess I can comment. The fit and finish are OK but not great. The machining inside the cylinder on mine is rough and it can be an adventure seating a ball over a load. It isn't a bad gun but given the choice I'd rather spend a little more and buy a Uberti.
love the looks peopel give you when it goes ping ..nothin happens:) 1858 remminton .44,,,, 2 squirrles,,,,one duck,,, and a ton of 2by 4s good shooter:)
Any way to stop the loading lever falling down after every shot?
MrHookystig 2 days ago
@MrHookystig In the shots were I was using a lighter load you will notice that this did not happen. My guess is that most shooters prior to a combat situation would simply tie a bit of string or leather around the barrel and lever. Chances were that you would not be reloading during a battle.
albionsseed 2 days ago
Haha so no shit its a replica still badass. A original was sold in perfect condition for nearly a million dollars anyone with a original I highly doubt would be shooting it
stetsmc 4 weeks ago 2
this is a fake its not an authentic walker
Mexicangking95 1 month ago
@Mexicangking95 you think?
glynamus 1 month ago
That was not even close to a long enough wait for a hang fire. With the second hang fire you rotated and fired immediately. That is just plain stupid! Don't post videos that show the most dangerous manner to shoot a black powder revolver to new shooters. Hence having a possible crossfire with the cylinder out of clock! Which normally results in injury and gun destruction JEZZE! Activate a brain cell or two.
Ghstwn 1 month ago
@Ghstwn I have been shooting BP revolvers for 35+ years and have never witnessed or even heard of a crossfire occurring. These projectiles are very tightly swaged into the chambers and then coated with lube. This tight metal to metal fit is not much different than the crimp seal on a modern cartridge. I will grant you that it was poor form on my part to not wait longer to rotate the cylinder since people new to BP would be watching.
albionsseed 2 days ago
@albionsseed Not witnessing or ever hearing about a crossfire is irrelevent. It's mentioned in every black powder shooting manual and guide. I've never had nor seen one either. I don't ever want too. But that is the whole reason for coating the ball or using a wonder wad. (Which is my choice) It also lubricates the barrel a bit too. Good shooting to you and stay safe is all, ;)
Ghstwn 2 days ago
Good Video.
Try my New 240 and 255 Grain Universal Black Powder Bullets in Your Walker. It will make your Walker quite a bit more Powerful. See the demonstrations of My Bullets on my You Tube Channel and Mr. Hovey Smiths as well.
MrKaido93 2 months ago
bobby singer ?
andre18maia 2 months ago
@andre18maia Haha I was just gonna say the same. Well I was gonna say "Ellsworth Deadwood?" Same actor.
StarskySTARS 2 months ago
This is also why you mostly see cartridge conversions of these Cap 'n' Ball era guns in movies!
TheHeater90 3 months ago
good video
marcialrms 5 months ago
"Try this while under fire" XD
I've got a 52 Colt Navy; same principle applies here!
jonskowitz 6 months ago
Excellent! Thanks for posting this. I have a question but it is probably dumb since I haven't owned or shot a BP firearm (but am thinking of getting one.) You showed the charge measure but I didn't see you use it. How do you measure out the right charge using only the powder flask? I must have missed something.
ZoneIII 6 months ago
6:15 Was that a "double-fire" - I mean the chamber that has misfired before went off too?
r8wing 6 months ago
@r8wing
I think what you hear there is the cap first, and then the powder load, there is a miniscule delay sometimes, as you also hear on the shot before the misfire
gaunten 6 months ago
half cock put caps on then LOAD the cylinders with powder and ball.
last thing on are the CAPS unlessen you like holes in the head
fuckthissignoncrap 6 months ago
Gotta love the echo
CosmicDestroyer99 7 months ago
I don't know why, but I giggled every time you shot the 60 grain charges. I found quite amusing the fact that the ramrod keeps falling into the spent cylinders and the amount of noise and smoke that "old" revolver makes every time you shoot it. Would love to own one, but in my neck of the woods in Europe, it's almost impossible to own one.
Stuntman175 7 months ago
@ 9:00 SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!! I surrender!!!!!!!!!
spikemilliganfan 8 months ago
And yeah, i know i'm not risking much with that dead-horse-beating statement :)
OldDirtyRatbastard 8 months ago
I have wanted a colt walker ever sense I was a kid.
SCAREDBANANA 8 months ago
Three possible reasons for your measuring mistake : your cronographer is broken, or you didn't use a full power load, which shouldn't be tried in a non-replica gun, or you didn't use a cronographer and your target setup, ballistic jelly or whatever, somehow advantaged the .38spl and made it look more powerful than it actually is.
Pribor3B 8 months ago
i think being anywhere near the muzzle when that baby went off would stun a person pretty bad, if not give them a heart attack
busyhands94 9 months ago
God bless the cartidge invention.
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DS
DairoStug 9 months ago
Colt Walker, the original .44 magnum. this gun is probably the first "magnum" in the handgun world.
busyhands94 10 months ago
Is it possible to reload the Walker with a pre-loaded cylinder to save time, like the 1860 Colt Army? I know this isn't exactly the way the firearm is designed to be used, but it seemed to work fine for many period users.
HaNsWiDjAjA 10 months ago
@HaNsWiDjAjA Damn, this is a very popular question! I will be posting a new vid illustrating this issue soon.
albionsseed 10 months ago
@albionsseed have you posted that video yet? I would like to see myself if you could load the walker with a preloaded cylinder?
fishblade2 6 months ago
What do you do when you get a misfire? How do you remove the lead ball to emty the cylinder?
805Loncho 10 months ago
@805Loncho Usually a second cap will do the job. If not a very small quantity of very finely ground powder poured into the nipple along with a new cap will work.
albionsseed 10 months ago
how much powder did you load on the first rond you shot?
805Loncho 10 months ago
@805Loncho If I remember correctly the first six shots were only 30 grains.
albionsseed 10 months ago
amazing video keep it up good work
solider1986 10 months ago
whoa oh my god. its normal size for me
Outlaw1872 10 months ago
did you ever find out what was made it not fire? was the nipple pluged or worse? like to know, thanks so much.
glynamus 11 months ago
@glynamus That was the first time I had fired it. The factory protectant did not blow out as easily as an after cleaning wipe of oil. No problem, it was pretty damn cold when I shot the vid and wasn't up for any retakes.
albionsseed 11 months ago
I like to see people enjoy shooting black powder. I think most of the comments are very helpful and i wish i had access to them when i first started. wipe it down before reloading and take your time and have fun. they do have hang ups now and then but remember, you can send it to the factory and they will fix whats wrong with it. the worst i have found is some pistoles had not so good timing and need to be tuned. the other is a very tight wedge. otherwise they are good to go. =)
glynamus 11 months ago
im confused u ran only percusion caps threw it to make sure it was working but when u did one was clearly not working properly. Why do it if ur not gonna notice the error?
bobwatters 11 months ago
@bobwatters See the above posting
albionsseed 11 months ago
There is no safety of this revolver.
The half cock postion is only for loading.
The only safe way to carry this revolver is with the hammer down on an empty chamber.
This gun was made when the safety was between the shooters ears!
ekajeht 11 months ago
@ekajeht When I fully disassembled the firearm I found that the half cocked position was fully dogged as one would find in a side lock double gun. Perhaps the original did not share this feature. Thanks for the input I I will research it.
albionsseed 11 months ago
@albionsseed The Uberti is a faithful reproduction of the original down to the half cock notch.
But even though the sear is trapped in the 1/2 cock notch , if dropped on a hard surface hitting hammer first it will shear the sear off and fire the gun if a chamber is in line.
Later improved Colts had a hole in the hammer face that could be lowered onto a pin between the chambers on the cylinder to carry the gun safely with 6 rounds without fear of it going off if dropped.
ekajeht 11 months ago
@ekajeht wrong sorta, there is a very small nipple between the nipples. the cylinder is rotated half way and the hammer can rest perfectly on this very small nipple. a fully loaded pistol can then be safely carried.
glynamus 11 months ago
i keep tied a very small loop of string on my barrel so the loading lever wont fall down, just slip the string forward and reload. although your wasting powder when loading this revolver full throttle.
glynamus 11 months ago
you no why they don't go off all the time its because we've switched from fulminate of mercury to the new propellant that is safer but not as reliable because you need to hit it really hard and the springs cant always get it
ncktbs 1 year ago
@ncktbs It isn't that it is safer. That has nothing to do with it. What it had to do with was the fact that that mixture, like other later Cartridge Primer compounds were extremely corrosive to the barrel, chambers, and other misc. Gun parts. This was not solved until remington came out with their "Klean Bore" ammunition. Now, with such a large powder charge, what should be in use is the Magnum versions of the #11 cap to provide a slightly hotter flame.
TheFoundersWereRight 11 months ago
I think if I were looking for a colt cap and ball, I'd prefer a dragoon to aviod the loading lever drop problem..but if you want the original, there's only one...The walker colt...great vid.!
bigbluesparky 1 year ago
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Did anyone notice one chamber was "funny" when the caps were being fired?? It sounded like a nipple was plugged. A flattened cap also fell out? Maybe that was the hangfire.
madisonelectronic 1 year ago
Did anyone notice one cylinder was "funny" when the caps were being fired?? It sounded like a nipple was plugged. A flattened cap also fell out? Maybe that was the hangfire.
madisonelectronic 1 year ago
awesome video, very well done, i have 2 questions, 1, is that a cimarron revolver? and 2, do you have problems with the loading lever falling down while you are shooting? iv been trying to descide between the walker colt and the Whitneyville Dragoon, i like both but something that kinda worries me is that the 1847 walker doesnt have a locking loading lever. what are your thoughts? i really want a cap and ball revolver
Beamos12 1 year ago
wow great detailed vid, reminds me of clint
superfarful 1 year ago
What happens if you shoot somebody in the balls with this???
Kawp123 1 year ago
@Kawp123 That gun's equivalent to a very heavily loaded .357 magnum. So, no balls left.
Pribor3B 1 year ago
@Pribor3B my test show its more like a 38special in power when fully loaded.
glynamus 11 months ago
@glynamus Using Round balls, yes. A 44-45 caliber Round ball will only weigh around 150 gr. I forget the exact amount. However, Colt Revolver molds had two cavities, a ball, and bullet. The bullet mold cast a bullet weighing around 246 to 250 grs. Weight adds to the Power. With that combination The walker was Lethal on both man and horse to 200 yards. In fact, That 60gr Powder Charge is about the Same as was used in Civil War Muskets.
TheFoundersWereRight 11 months ago
@TheFoundersWereRight The heavier bullets have less energy than the lighter ones, since they are slower, but they have more momentum. Your statement that "Weight adds to the Power" is an opinion. But the pointed bullets certainly keep their power on longer ranges than the round ones.
Pribor3B 8 months ago
@Pribor3B Increasing the weight and momentum does yield a more powerful load. It is hard to explain because in many cases we cannot explain the major differences in real world on target performance, when the pre calculated paper balistics would suggest a different result. Due to length, I cannot cite the example I am thinking of reguarding a 358 winchester and a 300 Wthby, but if you like I will send it to you in a private message where the length restrictions would not apply.
TheFoundersWereRight 8 months ago
@Pribor3B It should also be noted that in many cases, the heavier bullet even though slower, has similar energy calculations to the lighter bullet, unless the lighter bullet is moving a heck of a lot faster. As an example, a 200gr 350 rem mag load at 2700fps, and a 250gr load at a hair over 2400 fps have similar energy. This is because energy calculations are based first on bullet weight at a certain velocity.
TheFoundersWereRight 8 months ago
@TheFoundersWereRight *tired of switching so i'll reply with this account* It depends, really. Usually, a round's kinetic energy peaks with a certain bullet weight and increasing or decreasing that mass without changing the power load only decreases kinetic energy. But factory bullets may be well over or under that ideal mass, leading to some rounds benefiting the most from either an increase in velocity or bullet mass. I'm quite sure 12g is the ideal weight for my 1858...
OldDirtyRatbastard 8 months ago
but that may be completely different for the Walker's 60 grains, and powder burn rate has an effect too. Anyway, from 10 to 20 g of lead, a Walker remains nearly 3 times as powerful as a .38. About what is better in practice, kinetic energy or momentum, let's not get into this debate or it'll never end, experts still do not agree on the question. Generally, a lighter bullet will require to fragment or expand because that's its only way of dumping energy into the target and not needling though.
OldDirtyRatbastard 8 months ago
@OldDirtyRatbastard Notching Bullets to increase early expansion or fragmentation was considered a dirty tactic at the time, but did happen. However, since black powder has a fixed burn rate, that does not come into effect here. Also, the formula for energy is based on a bullets weight at a given speed, not a powder's burn rate. I notice you made comment on "Energy dumping". This is another theory debate that as you say, "Will never end." I'll send you a email with why.
TheFoundersWereRight 8 months ago
@TheFoundersWereRight I meant that burn rate differs between powders, so 60grs in a Walker can work best with a bullet weight or another depending on powder composition and grinding thinness. And just to be a smartass, you can calculate the muzzle speed of a bullet knowing its mass, its friction coefficient with the barrel, the surface of the part of it that's exposed to the powder and that powder's volumic expansion rate in atmospheric pressure. But using a cronograph is indeed simpler.
OldDirtyRatbastard 8 months ago
@OldDirtyRatbastard indeed, but that is the interesting thing about black powder, it's burnrate is basically fixed fixed. Grind size can affect pressure, but I will state that 60 grs of powder will burn at the same rate as 40grs when it comes to black powder. That is why there is such a low velocity spread with it as compared to smokeless powder where you can see spreads as high as 50 feet a second or higher for the extremes. It is very stable.
TheFoundersWereRight 8 months ago
@TheFoundersWereRight Indeed, a 1858 holds about 44 grains instead of 60 but can reach nearly the same velocities than the walker, provided that the barrel isn't too short.
OldDirtyRatbastard 7 months ago
@OldDirtyRatbastard You also have to model pressure loss after the gap is jumped.
sukiari 7 months ago
@sukiari True that. On replica revolvers though, the assembly precision is quite good, the gap looks like it's around 0.1 or 0.2 mm, and can be adjusted by screwing the barrel. I've always thought that the pressure loss was negligible, kinda like what escapes through the chimney. Do you have an idea of what percentage of gas is lost that way ?
OldDirtyRatbastard 7 months ago
@glynamus A round lead .44 bullet weighs 11-12g, 60 grains of BP push it to approx. 370 m/s. Kinetic energy=0.5*mass*speed²=0.5*0.011*370²=753 Joules, a similarly long barreled .357 magnum revolver shoots at 770 Joules, a 38 special at a comparatively weak 250J.
I've made chronograph tests on a similar BP gun (12 inches remington 1858) and a 12g lead bullet does attain 370m/s.
Pribor3B 8 months ago
do they make a cylinder for cartridges?
i dont like black powder but i do like this gun.
kreigsmann 1 year ago
Paper Cartridges would speed up the reload considerably, which allows 2 or 3 Whole Cylinders to be fired in a minute by a skilled User, Tho even with paper cartridges, I can imagine that being quite hard to achieve under fire. It's a marked advantage over the 2-3 shots/min a Springfield Rifled Musket can manage and It's nearly as powerful.
Detoyato 1 year ago
Sir - you say 'cylinders' when you mean chambers.
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tacfoley 1 year ago
You have a great voice
illosion 1 year ago
thats like a sawed off rifle
nunvikingsofthesea 1 year ago
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I use the pre-cut wads between the powder and the ball when I press it down. That grease you are using is expensive. Some use vasoline or axel grease. Do you think the pre cut wads are good or bad to use between the powder charge and the ball?
knightingalesaid 1 year ago
I use the pre-cut wads between the powder and the ball when I press it down. That grease you are using is expensive. Some use vasoline or axel grease. Do you think the pre cut wads are good or bad to use between the powder charge and the ball?
knightingalesaid 1 year ago
honestly the mustache is more intimidating.
y3k23k 1 year ago 2
if your shooting real black powder or other, you should carry a cloth soaked in borebutter. give the gun a wipe or two before each reloading. Caps do fall into the cavity between where the hammer and frame are. Best to point the pistol up and cock to make sure this doesnt happen. some gun ranges will not let you do this! so check and ask first. the loading lever will flop down on you if you use a stout load. you can use a small rubber band. dont push the wedge past the frame, flush only!
glynamus 1 year ago
Precioso el Colt Walker, y muy interesante el video.
aquaesextae 1 year ago
The Walker is such a behemoth among all other BP revolvers. I can see why it was aptly suited for taking down horses
SpiroHrvoje1989 1 year ago
put enough of a charge in it
survival101ne 1 year ago
Thats not a pistol; it's a cannon.
gentlemenjocard 1 year ago
Lovely gun, what length is it?
getfitdit 1 year ago
You know, making paper cartiridges speeds things up AND promotes consistency between shots. 8^) I do this for my 1851 navy (Navy arms 44cal)
GrigoriZhukov 1 year ago
That's cool, man. I'd hate to be a circa 1850s US Soldier lol
NormanMatchem 1 year ago
wow thats alot of work to shoot i had no idea cool gun i want one that has a conversion
gamerguy1991 1 year ago
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21343 1 year ago
i like the brass frames-- i know some people complain that they can stretch but thats only if you're an idiot who fires max loads and dont take care of it
1x93cm 1 year ago
Dude?!?! Watch the barrel at 5:55! What was that thing?
mrmikerotch 1 year ago
@mrmikerotch Thats just errant smoke from the recently fired cylinder.
Detoyato 1 year ago
@Detoyato I know, but the way it whipped up was awesome. Looked like a snake.
mrmikerotch 1 year ago
For those who want an extra measure of safety, you can put a wonder seal over the ball. (different product than wonder wad).Also purchase cap guards which is slide over cap and nipple. Best invetion ever made! Stops cap from falling into action and also prevents chain fires which have been proven by slow motion video to occur at the nipple. Cap guards are at october country. Have fun guys
duckboya5 1 year ago
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Great video albionseed. Been reading all the posts and just wanted to add something that might help some shooters. I use triple seven in my gun and it is MUCH cleaner and cleans up easier with water. It is more expensive though. Also if you load a wonder wad over the powder you can skip the grease.
duckboya5 1 year ago
Great video albionseed. Been reading all the posts and just wanted to add something that might help some shooters. I use triple seven in my gun and it is MUCH cleaner and cleans up easier with water. It is more expensive though. Also if you load a wonder wad over the powder you can skip the grease.
duckboya5 1 year ago
Great video albionseed. Been reading all the posts and just wanted to add something that might help some shooters. I use triple seven in my gun and it is MUCH cleaner and cleans up easier with water. It is more expensive though. Also if you load a wonder wad over the powder you can skip the grease.
duckboya5 1 year ago
Personally,I use 90 grain round ball and always use a wad (Wonder Wad). I was not pleased with Borebutter at all opting instead for bullet lube or prelubed ball. I also use American Pioneer FFFG Powder making the gun much easier to clean. I you use a Wonder Wad, Borebutter is unessessary.
samuelgordonelliott 1 year ago
How easy is it to take the cylinder out?
ShroudedKiller 1 year ago
Not much of a project while sitting at the work bench, in the field and under fire, well that's a different story. I will be posting a vid on this subject soon since it is a popular question.
albionsseed 1 year ago
What was that warbling noise?
Nice video by the way! 5/5
itachi1303 1 year ago
Thanks I wanted to know more about this Walker revolver after reading about it in McCarthy's Blood Meridian.
Garciamrcool 2 years ago
Great Video!
joel349EX 2 years ago
Great Video! Makes me want to run out and buy one!
314299 2 years ago
the looading lever drops after firing because it isdesigned to take only 50grains
northportoldies 2 years ago
All the historical information I have read says that the gun was intended to take 60 grains. Due to inconsistencies with the metallurgy at the time the chambers did sometimes rupture with the intended 60 grain loads. The lever falling was also a problem in the original. Only about 1,000 Walkers were made. Samuel Colt used the knowledge gained from the Walker to design the 1848 Dragoon. That has a smaller cylinder and was designed for 50 grains. Also has a lever latch near the front.
tsafa1 2 years ago
The replica is made with modern day metallurgy consistency and has been proven time and time again to be able to handle the 60 grain loads. I have remedied the falling lever with a thin leather sleeve that slides over the barrel and lever.
tsafa1 2 years ago
@tsafa1 The Walker's intended charge was 50 grains under a 220 grain conical bullet; a round ball is shorter, so a charge of 60 grains can be loaded.
Eli Whitney made the Walkers for Colt's military contract, and by mistake made the cylinders from iron rather than steel. The iron Walker cylinder could stand a full charge of FFg musket powder, but would often rupture using fine-grained FFFg rifle powder.
The Colt Dragoon replacing the Walker had a steel cylinder safe with heavy FFFg loads.
glnelson1956 1 year ago
Cont: The Walker's service loading of 50 grain charge under 220 grain conical was a duplication of the loading for the .54 Musketoon carried by Mounted Infantry (Dragoons), which used a 55 grain charge under a patched .530 ball weighing 220 grains. The .450" Walker chambers could duplicate the .530" ball weight only by using a conical bullet.
Uberti Dragoon replicas are very powerful, chronographing at 1100+ fps with 40 grains Swiss BP FFFg under a 220 grain conical bullet.
glnelson1956 1 year ago
I have a question on shooting conicals. I only shoot ball. Is the conical shaved the same way the ball is when you ram it in? I thought the purpose of the conical is that was easy to ram because it was smaller then the bore but would expand on firing to grip the rifling. I don't see what advantage it gives over a lead ball in a revolver.
tsafa1 1 year ago
Based on what I read in Percussion Pistols and Revolvers by Bate & Cumpston, none of the Colt Ball and Cap revolvers shipped with recommended loads. There are no documented recommendation from Colt. That was left up to the user to decide. We know that they often used 60 grain loads in the Walkers and that the cylinders often ruptured for the reason you said, Soft Iron. If they were made of steel, they would have been able to handle the 60 grain loads. Pity that for the factory error.
tsafa1 1 year ago
The book also attributed the ruptures to user error as well. The rangers initially did not lube the chambers and this caused multiple discharges, stressing the cylinder. Also, the book says that many rangers loaded the conicals backwards, thinking that the point was to ease loading into the chamber. The book says this was the major source of explosions. Unfortunately, it does not have a footnote as to their source of information. Thanks for posting the info you did.
tsafa1 1 year ago
tsfa1, For safety against chain fires, any C&B revolver bullet/ball must be oversize by a minimum of .004". Uberti accurately duplicates original Colt .44 chamber dimensions at .450", so the minimum ball/bullet diameter must be .454". Original Colt moulds often cast balls and conicals at .456" or larger.
The Lee 450-200-1R conical mould I own casts 200 grain bullets that mike .455" at the largest diameter. Lee designed that bullet specifically for original-dimensioned C&B revolvers.
Cont:
glnelson1956 1 year ago
Cont:
The under-size bullet expanding to engage rifling is the minie-bullet for .54 and .58 muzzle loading rifles of the Civil War Era and would not be safe in C&B revolvers.
The conical bullet gives the C&B revolver greater accurate range and much greater penetration and striking force over a round ball. The .454 round ball loses over 30% of its velocity at 100yds. The .454 conical bullet will only lose 8% velocity at 100 yds due to better aerodynamics and greater sectional density.
glnelson1956 1 year ago
Cont:
I have a reproduction Colt Factory Broadsheet dated Jan 1, 1858. The Dragoon conical is listed as "32 to the pound" or 219 grains, and the "Directions for Loading" section lists the following loads:
1 dram(28grs), 1.25 dram(34 grs)' 1.375 drams (39 grs), "The best fine grain powder"; "N.B. It will be safe to use all the Powder the chambers will hold, when loading with the flask, leaving room for the ball, whether the Powder be strong or weak".
"Ball" = round/conical in the 1850's.
glnelson1956 1 year ago
Final:
I also have Rapine mould # 452215. It casts a 216 gr single-grease-groove conical, .458" diameter that was duplicated from an original 6-cavity arsenal revolver gang mould circa 1859. The bullet has a 1.25D Tangent ogive nose to a point, and a .433" rebated base meant for attaching paper powder envelopes in the making of the revolver combustible cartridges common to the 1850's to 1870's period.
The bullet surprised me by being extremely accurate from my Uberti Remington Army.
glnelson1956 1 year ago
Awesome gun!
nextexhale 2 years ago
Must have been a right pig to shoot under pressure with that loading lever dropping down every shot!
Pogglefrog 2 years ago
I need some advice now. I shot my Walker for the first time. After the 6 rounds the cylinder became very hard to rotate. I have not experienced this with my other BP revolvers. I have no misfires until after about 24 rounds. Then it acted as if the hammer was not hitting the caps. I never experience this with any other BP revolvers either. What do you think?
tsafa1 2 years ago
I had that problem with my 1851 Navy. Pull it apart and GREASE the cylinder pin, lightly. I went to a #11 nipple as well, cut down on the crud between the cylinder and the face of the frame. Caps would fragment and create all kinds of havoc as well. You may have a weak Main Spring too. I replaced the guts in mine, works great now. Try Dixie Gunworks for a parts kit. Cabelas has kits, but not for the Walker that I've seen. Dixies s/h cost is high. Cost me $8 s/h for a $3 part.
sjstewart1 2 years ago
Also make sure to pick your nipples every few loads. As I'm sure you know, Blackpowder is really dirty. Pyro is a little cleaner, but keep those nipples cleaned out. They gum up pretty quick. I would also imagine with the heavier loads of the Walker, it is going to generate more heat causing things to expand, i.e. the cylinder vs. the breach of the barrel and other areas as well. Good Luck and enjoy.
sjstewart1 2 years ago
Thanks!
Seems like there was a spent cap mangled in the hammer action. The powder residue did not allow me to see it. I was advise to point the gun down as I cock so that the spent caps don't fall into the action.
tsafa1 2 years ago
Actually, you might want to try pointing it up then cock it. That way if the cap did fragment, when you pull the hammer it will fall out, instead of in. I had to completely disassemble my 1851 once because pieces of the cap wound up falling into the slot for the arm that rotates the cylinder. They are fun though huh?
sjstewart1 2 years ago
I see. You mean way up so the spent caps fall back.
This things a blast to shoot. More fun the modern guns and cheaper.
tsafa1 2 years ago
Kind of like you would see in the movies. Apparently that's what the Cavalry soldiers actually did after firing. Shook things out and allowed them to keep going. But I don't think you'll need to reach for the sky though, just enough to be above your head.
sjstewart1 2 years ago
Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. It sounds like a cap may have fallen down into the hammer recess or possibly gotten wedged between the back of the cylinder and the frame.
albionsseed 2 years ago
yep, that is exactly what happened. I saw it when I went to clean the gun. Thanks.
tsafa1 2 years ago
Nice video. I just ordered the Walker from Cabela's. I should have it in a week.
tsafa1 2 years ago
I want one.
My 1860 army hang fires as well, not very reliable at all. Doesn't matter how well you place the cap, pack the charge etc, there's still a chance that it can hang fire.
It's fun shooting the classics, I've always had a thing for them. It's either a walker or a cartridge conversion on my next to buy list.
Do you have any cartridge conversion 1858's in 45LC?
brentnowell 2 years ago
I never have had a handfire with my 1858's (.32 & .44). What caps are you guys using. I use #10 Remmington. I tried #11 but that would get stuck on the nipples after firing.
tsafa1 2 years ago
i dont know shit about guns but that just looks bad ass.
Xerxes371 2 years ago
NOT exactly something you`d bring to battle takes about half hour to reload awsome stuff thow
citydriver 2 years ago
Maybe someone has said this before but if you use real black powder like goex you will not have hang fires provided you clean your revolver and you dont get your powder wet. Pyrodex has has a much higher flash point than the real stuff and because of that goex will ignite alot faster than pyrodex or any other synthetic black powder. I shoot cap and ball all the time and I have had less hangfires in my life than you have had in you video.
ian45662 2 years ago
That is not a real 1847 if it was I would not be firing it. This is an Italian replica. At $1,000,000 a piece that is not something a collector would fire. Pyrodex, FFFg etc are black powder substitutes. Only 1000 were made for the Army 100 for civilian and other buyers. The 44 Magnum and 357 Mag surpasses it in energy and power easily. Walker colt 140 Conical at 1200 fps=448 fpe. 45 colt BP load 450fpe 357 mag=580fpe.
deusimperator 2 years ago
You should show the general public the firing of a Walker using 50 grs. REAL black powder fffg...and not the substitute. BTW, 60 grs. is a waste because you can't burn all 60 grs. in a 9-1/2 inch barrel...whereas 50grs. will combust more thoroughly. REAL black powder produces a very loud, low pitched boom, and about 6X the amount of smoke your Pyrodex(tm) does! Make a comparison video showing BP and pyrodex side by side!!!
paolichert 2 years ago
Wow, 60gr, I'm limited to half that in my 1858 New Army Remington
viperboost931 2 years ago
I take my 1858 up to 40 grains sometimes. Very strong recoil. I like big booms and a lot of power. I wish they would make a hybrid 1858 in the size of a walker. It's easier to clean and does not drop the ramrod.
tsafa1 2 years ago
Very nice, thanks for sharing.
CarryA1911 2 years ago
i got a SAN MARCO and i works well ...
I use him for Competition ..
GpunktHartman 2 years ago
do you know where to buy one of these and around how much they sell for?
flipendaniel 2 years ago
Mine was manufactured by Uberti, an Italian firm. Your local gun shop should be able to hook you up with one. I bought this one about four years ago for roughly $400.00. Considering the quality, it is a rael deal.
albionsseed 2 years ago
Did they ever convert the walker colt to take brass cartriages like the did with other cap and ball revolvers beacause it looks like a pain in the arse to load and it misfires.
BlahBlah2277700 2 years ago
Ive always heard the colt walker was more powerful then even a 44 magnum.
gruntspy44 2 years ago
ballistic and chronograph measurments show it to equal a 357 mag.
dbrinkm1 2 years ago
Equal to 357 at standard 50 grain load. You can go 60 grains for sure and I think 70 grains too. At that point I think Its going to equal a modern .44 mag.
tsafa1 2 years ago
I'm in love all over again, I just hate the loading lever dropping, now if they made Walker Colts with loading lever catches.....
SeriosProductions 2 years ago
At home you would not even have to load it cause as soon as the scumbag burglar saw the size of the muzzle he would take off.
madisonelectronic 2 years ago
Actually these hand loaded revolvers weren't issues to the military but instead of using flasks n stuff they had ice cream cone shaped charges they would put down the cylinder, then they ram rod it the paper will break and its nitrated
ThePurcy 2 years ago
do you need the caps
jaydyn2002 2 years ago
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of course you do
ThePurcy 2 years ago
This gun is so 1337! :D
MetalGhost360 2 years ago
Nah, actually it's 1847.
*scnr*
fredmachine 2 years ago
well. duh
MetalGhost360 2 years ago
If there is any gun i want so bad that is it =)
phillitupp 2 years ago
tht gun is so awesome
dunlopmega 2 years ago
I'm confused. If he's going to use neither the in-line capper nor the charge measure, why did he bring them? Loading straight from the flask full of powder?? Really??
bsard170 2 years ago
Neat gun though, always wanted one...
AmericanMale1953 2 years ago
Great Video!
I have a few black powder revolvers my self, and I would suggest using wads on top of the charge instead of bore butter for a sealant on the top, I find it to be less messy.
Just a suggestion! :)
Classicalguy12 2 years ago
That was great! Makes me want one!
maskedhobo 2 years ago
do you have any brass cartridge pistols like a colt navy conversion i'd love to see one of those in action.
gundog39 2 years ago
that thing is fucking enormous!
itwontcomeout5678 2 years ago
thats what she said
cake43217 2 years ago
damn the gun is BADASS
gapanlilio33 2 years ago
how is the precision at close range? Worser?
TerminatorFRA 2 years ago
is that even a word? worser
ninjaman576 2 years ago
I own an Armi San Marco Walker that I bought in 1981. I have never seen any of the other replicas except the Colt factory reproduction. Naturally the fit and finish isn't as nice as the Colt, but it is a good reliable shooter. I paid $100.00 for it at the time.
paulgra 2 years ago
Hi, albionsseed
Nice vid, thanks for sharing.
Do you know anything about the quality of Walker replicas made by Armi San Marco?
SharpsShootist 2 years ago
Thanks, trying to find the time for a follow up vid. Sorry to say that I am not able to comment on the Armi San Marco replicas as I have not handled one as yet.
albionsseed 2 years ago
Ok, i asked cause someone offered me a Asm Walker.
If your new vid is ready please contact me.
SharpsShootist 2 years ago
I have an Armi San Marco Walker that I've owned for many years so I guess I can comment. The fit and finish are OK but not great. The machining inside the cylinder on mine is rough and it can be an adventure seating a ball over a load. It isn't a bad gun but given the choice I'd rather spend a little more and buy a Uberti.
katpalm 2 years ago
why cant you re use caps?
Bouzoukiellas 2 years ago
I love the little smoke it does after firing like at 5:57
Madmachine73 2 years ago
hey albion, can you please tell me whre you purchased this pistol?
OutlawJoseyWales44 2 years ago
Do a Google search for Uberti dealers, that should head you in the right direction. BTW the Uberti website rocks.
albionsseed 2 years ago
whats with the weird noise in the background
smoof60 2 years ago
love the looks peopel give you when it goes ping ..nothin happens:) 1858 remminton .44,,,, 2 squirrles,,,,one duck,,, and a ton of 2by 4s good shooter:)
dozerdriver1962 2 years ago
This is the first time 've seen the Walker in action, very impressive!
TheAngryBum 2 years ago
Thanks Man !!! very informative !!!
picard81 2 years ago
you should do one of a colt dragoon
angusstan 2 years ago