Definitely one of your best videos on this topic. There is certainly a danger when scientists censor themselves... as well as danger in the focus on only one group. This is why I tend to not get involved in group based movements. There are very few issues which only impact one "group" of people.
I think you raised some excellent points. Particularly when you talked about scientists self-censoring. We select scientists based on intellect, we probably also need to consider a courage quotient.
@cero2515 Sure I can, I just did. Domestic violence has no relevance to feminism? I think you need to look into feminist theory particularly in regards to patriarchy and the nuclear family. Child abuse also most certainly has relevance to feminism especially in regards to abolitionist feminists and in regards to rape that also plays into the societal structure and gender roles.
Just because someone calls themselves a feminist- does not mean that they are. Secondly, the MRA movement, unfortunately from what I have found is not much more than a backlash. I had hoped for more for them because there are legitimate greviences that need to be addressed with men. Its sort of like the "anti racism is anti white" well, thats not true, but there ARE issues of double standards in anti racism that need to be addressed- does not make the white supremacists right, nor should they
its much easier to notice those kinds of feminists, and disregard others. When I brought to the table certain types of grassroot work we could do and organize online with, (such as in women self-improving, reclaiming the "feminine" that feminism had damaged, dating, day to day life, abuse, sexism, etc) I was labeled as anti-feminist. Truth of the matter is, Y'all don't know who the real "feminists" are. They can't identify themselves and neither can the folks on the outside.
@rosskay Who is a "real" feminist? Would you call Catharine MacKinnon a feminist? Would you do so without making a distinction of her abolitionist stance?
@rosskay Oh, I agree but I got the impression you knew as you said "kinds" and also said "Y'all don't know..." as if I'm missing something. There are kinds that I accept such as Marxist-feminist and Liberal-feminist, not to pigeonhole mind you but clearly there is a distinction there much like in Christianity or Islam i.e. Sunni(no line of visible representatives in the line of Muhammad)/Shi'a(descendants succeed as Caliphs).
@rosskay (Mainstream) Feminism is white woman centric ideology, this mean that third-world feminists can be useful debunking your bullshit.
Third-world feminists (who actually care for woman rights) like Maryam Namazie are being labeled "racists"... just because they DARE to say that greedy white women are not in that bad situation
@TwiztidcAsh Doh! Had to make it a class/race issue didn't ya? lol, that always spices things up. Usually that criticism comes by way of Marxist feminists in regards to the great sex debate in terms of the bourgeoisie and liberal feminism or sometimes in afrocentrism in regards to academia. I'll have to check out Maryam Namazie.
@DiwataMan Feminism is western woman centric. Fact.
Politics (including feminism) is not black and white issue... there are is actually Feminists who are willing to exposse the western hypocrisy (vilification of men, idolization/fetishization/sexualization of white women etc)
@TwiztidcAsh "sexulization of white women" I suppose you might believe in those theories that the moors breed and designed white women to be submissive slaves, hence them being the most sought for females. take note, that persual for these types of women and the sexualisation of white women (like most of them being in porn) is not due to feminism. The stuff you are talking about is exactly the kind of damange both feminism and whiteness theory did. Anti racists will ultimately fail because of it
@DiwataMan a lot of the issues around race, and what people are calling "afrocentrism" actually came from white academics pushing whiteness theory. Its reached a point where (no I don't agree anti racism/antiwhite) but that anti racism is not anti racist. Its outdated and they refuse to acknolwedge (my own peers on the left will say things like " whites don't experience racism" its bizzare.) I get it know what these whtie nationalists on the right say things like "brainwashed libtards" its true
Feminists, violent conservative immigrants, agressive third-world nationalists inside EU... all of them will eventually aid us. The behaviour of Feminists and Third-world racists will lead to the rise of Neo-Nationalists.
With the death of Capitalism - more and more westerners will become like Russians (racist, angry and white)
@TwiztidcAsh Lol, you assume what I have to say is bullshit before even hearing it- very critical thinking of you! and do you know my background? how do you know I'm not from a 3rd world country? hint: whites live in 3rd world countries too, and some are even within the minorities in america.
@TwiztidcAsh are you like a moaist 3rd worldist or something? because often those people are from 1st world themselves, calling white people the devil of the planet, and do not consider workers in the fist world as part of the proletariat. The thinking you do actually unravels all anti-racist efforts and is pollitiaclly ineffective. Smash all the white man's tv's and you got yourself a revolution with everyone down in the dumps, right?
Hehe, when I first spoke to you about certain feminists here online, my word was taken with caution, but theirs was given benefit of the doubt. The truth of the matter is that most feminists are taking on issues with day to living (such as myself) and are not active online much. "Marxist feminism" is a misnomer for one, but besides that, these women are calling themselves feminist by their own personal issues, not even ideology (not to mention somehow in that twisted mix ideology triumphs truth)
Yes I have to agree with Johntheother here feminism says that they are for equality, it must be true because as john says they say it loudly I guess the louder they say it that means the more true their stand must be. If you can't see that then you are just abuseing me with your logic and not really considering my feelings here. ;'(
@FantasmaBAnco - I don't think there's any such thing as political left or right ( other than in theory ) the political actors identifying themselves on that scale are basically all salesmen and marketers for bankers now.
@johntheother That's why I'm saying a *revival* of the Left. A group that disassociates itself from the Establishment Left, that agitates for serious reform of the system (Ie publicly-funded election campaigns, heavily-taxed campaign contributions, making laws against lobbying for favour etc) while looking after the interests of the working class and the (increasingly poorer) middle class. A newly revived left would tax the rich in a heartbeat and bring pressure to bear on the Establishment.
@FantasmaBAnco The identical argument could be made for a revival of the right. I suspect though, that the left-right model of political philosophy is inadequate, but that it remains the public conception may prevent adoption of a useful system.
@johntheother I'd *love* to see a revival of the Right; the corporate whores in the Establishment Right have warped what being Conservative *means*.
Coupled with a revival of the Left would *have* to be a re-definition of the values of the Left. Would they lean more towards Libertarianism, or control? We need an honest assessment of the excesses of Leftist politics over the course of the last 100 years, so we can avoid the pitfalls, and deliver the most benefit to the greatest number.
@FantasmaBAnco unfortunately, I think the public barring a few exceptions are almost entirely anaesthetized by corporate media, the revival of actual political philosophies requires a few more people to be awake. Also, there's a pretty determined interest among the connected to disallow any such revival.
@FantasmaBAnco The New Left created monsters like "gabiotta".
Look at gabiotta: - He justify Palestinian Nationalists bombing Israeli civilians... but BNP and western nationalists for him are "demons" - He bitch about 'white women being oppressed"... and completelly ignore the suffering of brown muslim women living in WEST (honor-killings, forced burkas etc).
No thanks, the new left need to be attacked and mocked.
@TwiztidcAsh Patch isn't a monster... far from it. Why are you coming to *me* to bitch about Patch? If you've got a problem with Patch, take it to him.
re: "No thanks, the new left need to be attacked and mocked."
Oh bravo, clap clap. That'll solve the world's problems, won't it? Vilifying one whole half of the socio-political dialectic.
Conservative and Progressive are two *necessary* parts of the political process. Discard one or the other, and you have tyranny.
But Diwataman - OF COURSE feminism is a movement seeking equality for all. I know its true because the feminists say so, loudly, over and over until everybody agrees. Anyone who disagrees must obviously hate women.
@johntheother sad thing is your being sarcastic but they really are just looking for equality and not loudly and not trying to force anyone to agree like people blurting out against it like yourself not too subtly might i add.
@johntheother I figured it won't matter what I say but if your interested an example is the glass ceiling. Feminism is good to make sure women have been treated fairly not better or worse.
@cero2515 "glass ceiling" is catch phrase - but ill guess you mean that women with equal education, training, seniority and hours on the job are either passed over for advancement or pay increase. Unfortunately, you have to demonstrate that it's true. The Dept of labor, US congress, and Dr Warren Farrell have all demonstrated that such is not the case. Want to try again? and actually do your own homework rather than having me do it for you?
@johntheother feminism Is more to make sure we don't repeat the mistakes of the past of which their is more than enough proof (although i suspect their are some places that discriminate against either sex) , I don't want women to have an unfair advantage any more than you do.
@cero2515 - if a legally tilted society marginalizing men, elevating women and violating the basic human rights of men were demonstrated to you, and shown to be the direct outcome of 50 years of feminist lobbying and activism, what would you do about it.
@johntheother I would think that there would need to be a equivalent male version of feminism to make sure men are not treated as less than the opposite sex.
@cero2515 - My answer is to dismantle the doctrine of violence and hate in the same way I'd attack an established, entrenched and funded institution of racism or racial supremacy. Feminism is a supremacist doctrine built on lies, violence and hatred. The fact that it's mainstream is why most people's understanding of it are based on the produced marketing from feminist apologists themselves, rather than an understanding of produced outcomes and goals
men often instinctively jump to the defence of women that trait ironically keeps feminism from being properly scrutinised .I see a lot of this on you tube Garry for example is in my opinion just doing the alpha male thing IE: shouting down men and protecting women, it's all very predictable .
I was "molested" by a woman and I enjoyed it. I never told anyone because I was hoping she would do it again.
fringeelements 3 weeks ago
Definitely one of your best videos on this topic. There is certainly a danger when scientists censor themselves... as well as danger in the focus on only one group. This is why I tend to not get involved in group based movements. There are very few issues which only impact one "group" of people.
tattooskin72 1 month ago
I think you raised some excellent points. Particularly when you talked about scientists self-censoring. We select scientists based on intellect, we probably also need to consider a courage quotient.
MensRifleAssociation 1 month ago
child abusive and domestic abuse is bad no doubt but it has no relevance to feminism, you can't use that as an argument against an unrelated topic.
cero2515 1 month ago
@cero2515 Sure I can, I just did. Domestic violence has no relevance to feminism? I think you need to look into feminist theory particularly in regards to patriarchy and the nuclear family. Child abuse also most certainly has relevance to feminism especially in regards to abolitionist feminists and in regards to rape that also plays into the societal structure and gender roles.
DiwataMan 1 month ago
Just because someone calls themselves a feminist- does not mean that they are. Secondly, the MRA movement, unfortunately from what I have found is not much more than a backlash. I had hoped for more for them because there are legitimate greviences that need to be addressed with men. Its sort of like the "anti racism is anti white" well, thats not true, but there ARE issues of double standards in anti racism that need to be addressed- does not make the white supremacists right, nor should they
rosskay 1 month ago
@rosskay be the only ones taking on these issues- left needs to wake up fast. I'm going to be making a video/article on this issue.
rosskay 1 month ago
its much easier to notice those kinds of feminists, and disregard others. When I brought to the table certain types of grassroot work we could do and organize online with, (such as in women self-improving, reclaiming the "feminine" that feminism had damaged, dating, day to day life, abuse, sexism, etc) I was labeled as anti-feminist. Truth of the matter is, Y'all don't know who the real "feminists" are. They can't identify themselves and neither can the folks on the outside.
rosskay 1 month ago
@rosskay Who is a "real" feminist? Would you call Catharine MacKinnon a feminist? Would you do so without making a distinction of her abolitionist stance?
DiwataMan 1 month ago
@DiwataMan in other words diwataman, people are getting caught up on the labels all the time. it just matters what they do.
rosskay 1 month ago
@rosskay Oh, I agree but I got the impression you knew as you said "kinds" and also said "Y'all don't know..." as if I'm missing something. There are kinds that I accept such as Marxist-feminist and Liberal-feminist, not to pigeonhole mind you but clearly there is a distinction there much like in Christianity or Islam i.e. Sunni(no line of visible representatives in the line of Muhammad)/Shi'a(descendants succeed as Caliphs).
DiwataMan 1 month ago
@rosskay And you will adress the Men right issue... via promoting more feminism?
No thanks.
TwiztidcAsh 1 month ago
@rosskay (Mainstream) Feminism is white woman centric ideology, this mean that third-world feminists can be useful debunking your bullshit.
Third-world feminists (who actually care for woman rights) like Maryam Namazie are being labeled "racists"... just because they DARE to say that greedy white women are not in that bad situation
TwiztidcAsh 1 month ago
@TwiztidcAsh Doh! Had to make it a class/race issue didn't ya? lol, that always spices things up. Usually that criticism comes by way of Marxist feminists in regards to the great sex debate in terms of the bourgeoisie and liberal feminism or sometimes in afrocentrism in regards to academia. I'll have to check out Maryam Namazie.
DiwataMan 1 month ago
@DiwataMan Feminism is western woman centric. Fact.
Politics (including feminism) is not black and white issue... there are is actually Feminists who are willing to exposse the western hypocrisy (vilification of men, idolization/fetishization/sexualization of white women etc)
TwiztidcAsh 1 month ago
@TwiztidcAsh "sexulization of white women" I suppose you might believe in those theories that the moors breed and designed white women to be submissive slaves, hence them being the most sought for females. take note, that persual for these types of women and the sexualisation of white women (like most of them being in porn) is not due to feminism. The stuff you are talking about is exactly the kind of damange both feminism and whiteness theory did. Anti racists will ultimately fail because of it
rosskay 1 month ago
@DiwataMan a lot of the issues around race, and what people are calling "afrocentrism" actually came from white academics pushing whiteness theory. Its reached a point where (no I don't agree anti racism/antiwhite) but that anti racism is not anti racist. Its outdated and they refuse to acknolwedge (my own peers on the left will say things like " whites don't experience racism" its bizzare.) I get it know what these whtie nationalists on the right say things like "brainwashed libtards" its true
rosskay 1 month ago
@rosskay No, i am not Maoist Third-worldist.
I am Nationalist (love my nation)
Feminists, violent conservative immigrants, agressive third-world nationalists inside EU... all of them will eventually aid us. The behaviour of Feminists and Third-world racists will lead to the rise of Neo-Nationalists.
With the death of Capitalism - more and more westerners will become like Russians (racist, angry and white)
"Capitalism make the people - passive"
Dr Pierce (White Separatist)
TwiztidcAsh 4 weeks ago
@TwiztidcAsh what country are you from?
rosskay 4 weeks ago
@rosskay secret, but it's from Eastern ex-communist ones
TwiztidcAsh 4 weeks ago
@TwiztidcAsh ukie.
rosskay 4 weeks ago
@TwiztidcAsh Lol, you assume what I have to say is bullshit before even hearing it- very critical thinking of you! and do you know my background? how do you know I'm not from a 3rd world country? hint: whites live in 3rd world countries too, and some are even within the minorities in america.
rosskay 1 month ago
@TwiztidcAsh are you like a moaist 3rd worldist or something? because often those people are from 1st world themselves, calling white people the devil of the planet, and do not consider workers in the fist world as part of the proletariat. The thinking you do actually unravels all anti-racist efforts and is pollitiaclly ineffective. Smash all the white man's tv's and you got yourself a revolution with everyone down in the dumps, right?
rosskay 1 month ago
Hehe, when I first spoke to you about certain feminists here online, my word was taken with caution, but theirs was given benefit of the doubt. The truth of the matter is that most feminists are taking on issues with day to living (such as myself) and are not active online much. "Marxist feminism" is a misnomer for one, but besides that, these women are calling themselves feminist by their own personal issues, not even ideology (not to mention somehow in that twisted mix ideology triumphs truth)
rosskay 1 month ago
Yes I have to agree with Johntheother here feminism says that they are for equality, it must be true because as john says they say it loudly I guess the louder they say it that means the more true their stand must be. If you can't see that then you are just abuseing me with your logic and not really considering my feelings here. ;'(
mraNewfoundland 1 month ago 5
I think that what's needed is a revival of the Left.
FantasmaBAnco 1 month ago
@FantasmaBAnco - commie!
johntheother 1 month ago
@FantasmaBAnco - I don't think there's any such thing as political left or right ( other than in theory ) the political actors identifying themselves on that scale are basically all salesmen and marketers for bankers now.
johntheother 1 month ago
@johntheother That's why I'm saying a *revival* of the Left. A group that disassociates itself from the Establishment Left, that agitates for serious reform of the system (Ie publicly-funded election campaigns, heavily-taxed campaign contributions, making laws against lobbying for favour etc) while looking after the interests of the working class and the (increasingly poorer) middle class. A newly revived left would tax the rich in a heartbeat and bring pressure to bear on the Establishment.
FantasmaBAnco 1 month ago
@FantasmaBAnco The identical argument could be made for a revival of the right. I suspect though, that the left-right model of political philosophy is inadequate, but that it remains the public conception may prevent adoption of a useful system.
johntheother 1 month ago
@johntheother I'd *love* to see a revival of the Right; the corporate whores in the Establishment Right have warped what being Conservative *means*.
Coupled with a revival of the Left would *have* to be a re-definition of the values of the Left. Would they lean more towards Libertarianism, or control? We need an honest assessment of the excesses of Leftist politics over the course of the last 100 years, so we can avoid the pitfalls, and deliver the most benefit to the greatest number.
FantasmaBAnco 1 month ago
@FantasmaBAnco unfortunately, I think the public barring a few exceptions are almost entirely anaesthetized by corporate media, the revival of actual political philosophies requires a few more people to be awake. Also, there's a pretty determined interest among the connected to disallow any such revival.
johntheother 1 month ago
@johntheother this, of course means its up to relatively few alert individuals to remove such obstacles as exist
johntheother 1 month ago
@FantasmaBAnco The New Left created monsters like "gabiotta".
Look at gabiotta: - He justify Palestinian Nationalists bombing Israeli civilians... but BNP and western nationalists for him are "demons" - He bitch about 'white women being oppressed"... and completelly ignore the suffering of brown muslim women living in WEST (honor-killings, forced burkas etc).
No thanks, the new left need to be attacked and mocked.
TwiztidcAsh 4 weeks ago
@TwiztidcAsh Patch isn't a monster... far from it. Why are you coming to *me* to bitch about Patch? If you've got a problem with Patch, take it to him.
re: "No thanks, the new left need to be attacked and mocked."
Oh bravo, clap clap. That'll solve the world's problems, won't it? Vilifying one whole half of the socio-political dialectic.
Conservative and Progressive are two *necessary* parts of the political process. Discard one or the other, and you have tyranny.
FantasmaBAnco 4 weeks ago
@FantasmaBAnco - of course, Im sure you understand that when I called you a commie, that was obviously a euphemism
johntheother 4 weeks ago
But Diwataman - OF COURSE feminism is a movement seeking equality for all. I know its true because the feminists say so, loudly, over and over until everybody agrees. Anyone who disagrees must obviously hate women.
johntheother 1 month ago 15
@johntheother sad thing is your being sarcastic but they really are just looking for equality and not loudly and not trying to force anyone to agree like people blurting out against it like yourself not too subtly might i add.
cero2515 1 month ago
@cero2515 - can you name one area in which women in the western world are legally or socially in a position of disadvantaged inequality? Just one.
johntheother 1 month ago
@cero2515 24 hours later and still no answer. It was a simple question, one example.
johntheother 4 weeks ago
@johntheother I figured it won't matter what I say but if your interested an example is the glass ceiling. Feminism is good to make sure women have been treated fairly not better or worse.
cero2515 4 weeks ago
@cero2515 "glass ceiling" is catch phrase - but ill guess you mean that women with equal education, training, seniority and hours on the job are either passed over for advancement or pay increase. Unfortunately, you have to demonstrate that it's true. The Dept of labor, US congress, and Dr Warren Farrell have all demonstrated that such is not the case. Want to try again? and actually do your own homework rather than having me do it for you?
johntheother 4 weeks ago
@johntheother feminism Is more to make sure we don't repeat the mistakes of the past of which their is more than enough proof (although i suspect their are some places that discriminate against either sex) , I don't want women to have an unfair advantage any more than you do.
cero2515 4 weeks ago
@cero2515 - if a legally tilted society marginalizing men, elevating women and violating the basic human rights of men were demonstrated to you, and shown to be the direct outcome of 50 years of feminist lobbying and activism, what would you do about it.
johntheother 4 weeks ago
@johntheother I would think that there would need to be a equivalent male version of feminism to make sure men are not treated as less than the opposite sex.
cero2515 4 weeks ago
@cero2515 - My answer is to dismantle the doctrine of violence and hate in the same way I'd attack an established, entrenched and funded institution of racism or racial supremacy. Feminism is a supremacist doctrine built on lies, violence and hatred. The fact that it's mainstream is why most people's understanding of it are based on the produced marketing from feminist apologists themselves, rather than an understanding of produced outcomes and goals
johntheother 4 weeks ago
men often instinctively jump to the defence of women that trait ironically keeps feminism from being properly scrutinised .I see a lot of this on you tube Garry for example is in my opinion just doing the alpha male thing IE: shouting down men and protecting women, it's all very predictable .
sausage4mash 1 month ago