why do you guys think graffiti is bad as a christian, we have been taught not to follow the law of this world but the law of Christs spirit, and if his message is spread than God will probably forgive them, but this is coming from a christian who practices graffiti.
Ick, they think that Jesus is coming soon so they are free to destroy whatever they want? I think Jesus is waiting until these folks are caught and spend a LONG time in jail.
@1994kman Jesus is awesome but not god. He was a great thinker, a philosopher, a teacher. Do you know that for a few hundred years the great Greek philosopher Plato was worshiped as a god? The Universal Church and the ensuing Christianity hijacked the "Jesus" brand and completely distorted his teachings. Today's church is actually an anti-Jesus' message institution.
verry interesting! would you be able to tell me a little more about this and not being distrustful but maybey if you can some proof. (not being sarcastic honestly interested)
@1994kman You will find more about this in The Jesus Mysteries, an amazing book by T. Freke and P. Gandy. Their main point, supported with overwhelming evidence, is that nothing in Christianity is Christian as the bishops hijacked all other pagan traditions, called them Christian and made Jesus into a pagan god. Their conclusion is that Jesus never existed. My take, Jesus invented by the church never existed. The real Jesus and its real message were buried under the current Christian dogma.
thanks (: ive always been a strong believer jesuses teachings but been against most church beliefs and their ways of "worship" with their "popes" and "bishops" for me taking away the teaching of every1 being equal in gods eyes. anyway thanks again
@sorellman That is bull crap because of the original text written by the followers of Jesus. Unless you are saying that those writers made up Jesus. Most translations in English came straight for the documents written by those writers. I may could agree with you, but even the best Archeologist say that the documents such as the dead seas scrolls are legit.
There is no doubt about the fact that this is a "Christian" message. Only Christians believe in the second coming of the one they hold to be some kind of god. Islam embraces Jesus as a prophet, not as god. Islam, however, is an offshoot of Arianism, a Christian "heresy" banned by the church. The Quran says Jesus never died on the cross and was never resurrected, hence the ideological war between the religious leaders turned into a real war with people dying in the streets for no good reason.
I think it would be kindof strange it it wasnt a Christian, Muslims and Jewish people dont usually write anything about Jesus. Although Jesus was a Jew, maybe he was resorected again and wrote his own name.
I live in Florida but was Born and raised in Suffern, in the shadow of that awesome peak, I first hiked to the Torne from my Grandfather's Sloatsburg home in 1978 as a 6 year old boy, Hiked and camped out on that very rock easily 2 dozen times and last hiked there less then a year ago last March and witnessed this new graffiti in person. What a crappy thing to have to look at after a decade's absence and an exhilerating hour long vertical hike. Thanks Tom and Monica!
Hundreds of years ago, this was a West point revolutionary war lookout point. Torne Sentrys could see British ships masts enter NY harbor, consequently, a rider on horseback could easily ride through what is now Harriman State Park to West Point faster then a ship could sail up the Hudson, So the fort was always prepared and was never taken. Soldiers w/ days of spare time carved their names and dates in the granite, still visible if you look closely, spray paint wasnt invented till later.
Now any yahoo with a rattlecan paint can deface nature and leave their mark. I plan to spend $20 at walmart next time I am in town on earth toned spray paint and paint over that crap as close to the rocks natural color as possible, hopefully, it wont be as bad, Ive seen it done in other parks, and while not perfect, you would almost have to know it was once there to notice it. Im looking forward to the task, just hope I dont get arrested like these idiots should have!!!
Ill tell you who these idiots wereyoung moronic city people who discovered God but are not enlightened enough to know that looking over a valley from the top of a mountain without ruining it for everyone else is what any God would want. They can drive up from the ghetto but they cant help but bring some of it with them, and they always manage to leave some behind.............Thanks CHRISTIAN VANDELS!
No you cant. Its a State park. That means you take only pictures, leave only footprints. What you CAN do is purchase your own land, and do upon it what you please. I'm willing to bet Tom and Monica (Who signed their names in paint) have not grafittied their residence like this.
People tend to only say something can't be done after something has occurred. Which is retarded because it never stops the previous event and never stops future events. People are always going to do whatever the hell they want because control and law is mostly an illusion.
@Tekka What about self-control, and how do we get to behave in accordance with the laws of harmony behind the universe? The answer is knowledge. Know the laws of the universe, and then know yourself.
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What planet are you from dum dum. First of all its in parkland so its illegal to vandalize anything there. Even if its not illegal...they do not have the right to write and mold jack Sh@#. Iv been going there all my life and now its ruin bc of one person. You Tekka are one unintelligent human being!
Blah blah blah, it's a bunch of rocks and dirt and plants. People are always going to screw around with that sort of thing. It doesn't matter if a group of people or government says you can't.
With all of that said, your arguments against me are full of fail. You not only go on a personal attack, but you can't use proper grammar or punctuation. The only one who looks stupid is you. You're projecting your own intellectual inadequacies. Grow up and look into getting a GED.
So in your world I guess the Grand Canyon would be covered in Spray paint and garbage? Have you ever heard of leave only footprints or carry in carry out? The Torne is an historical landmark. Dum Dum is the nicest word I can think of for an ignorant moron like yourself. Plus I thought the simple spelling would help you out. Punctuation can be left out of a You Tube comment lady, obviously the point was understood; look at the rest of the comments genius.
"Blah blah blah, it's a bunch of rocks and dirt and plants." Anyone with this attitude should be beaten within an inch of his or her lives on at least a weekly basis. Talk about a worthless human being, WOW!
@Tekka You write: "your arguments against me are full of fail." Then you call him "stupid". Your response seems to be full of vile. The government in this country is of the people and by the people. The reason the government has established certain rules is because the majority of the people wanted to protect nature from vandalism. In an ideal world we would not need rules, we would just behave civil. These "Christians" have broken the rule of the people and their behavior was uncivil.
I cant help but comment on this again. This is the most ridiculous and ignorant statement I have heard in a while. Not only is this person ok with this but they are encouraging others to join in. Kindof funny but mostly sad that an adult in this country would think this way.
if this were in another country yea maybe, but this is in the United States, I think it would be foolish to think someone who wasnt a christian did this....
I see your point! But then again, about 80% of people who live in the states claim they are christian but do not attend church or follow any of the life a "Christian" should!! They aren't true christians I guess is what Im trying to say! They could do some of the worst things and still call themselves christian. Trust me, I've met my share of hipocritic religious people! It bugs me! It gives others who are real christians a bad rep!
why do you guys think graffiti is bad as a christian, we have been taught not to follow the law of this world but the law of Christs spirit, and if his message is spread than God will probably forgive them, but this is coming from a christian who practices graffiti.
robotpersonguy 10 months ago
Ick, they think that Jesus is coming soon so they are free to destroy whatever they want? I think Jesus is waiting until these folks are caught and spend a LONG time in jail.
ByronBTB 11 months ago
i didnt pay much attention to the vid buuuuut jesus iis awsome so is god :D
1994kman 2 years ago
@1994kman Jesus is awesome but not god. He was a great thinker, a philosopher, a teacher. Do you know that for a few hundred years the great Greek philosopher Plato was worshiped as a god? The Universal Church and the ensuing Christianity hijacked the "Jesus" brand and completely distorted his teachings. Today's church is actually an anti-Jesus' message institution.
sorellman 2 years ago
verry interesting! would you be able to tell me a little more about this and not being distrustful but maybey if you can some proof. (not being sarcastic honestly interested)
1994kman 2 years ago
@1994kman You will find more about this in The Jesus Mysteries, an amazing book by T. Freke and P. Gandy. Their main point, supported with overwhelming evidence, is that nothing in Christianity is Christian as the bishops hijacked all other pagan traditions, called them Christian and made Jesus into a pagan god. Their conclusion is that Jesus never existed. My take, Jesus invented by the church never existed. The real Jesus and its real message were buried under the current Christian dogma.
sorellman 2 years ago
thanks (: ive always been a strong believer jesuses teachings but been against most church beliefs and their ways of "worship" with their "popes" and "bishops" for me taking away the teaching of every1 being equal in gods eyes. anyway thanks again
1994kman 2 years ago
@sorellman That is bull crap because of the original text written by the followers of Jesus. Unless you are saying that those writers made up Jesus. Most translations in English came straight for the documents written by those writers. I may could agree with you, but even the best Archeologist say that the documents such as the dead seas scrolls are legit.
TCatBRproductions 1 year ago
so if us christians are preaching anti-jesus teachings, then what d you quality as "pro-jesus" teachings?
and its not like nature gives a crap that there are some white scribbles on a rock. life goes on.
garachomper737 1 year ago
There is no doubt about the fact that this is a "Christian" message. Only Christians believe in the second coming of the one they hold to be some kind of god. Islam embraces Jesus as a prophet, not as god. Islam, however, is an offshoot of Arianism, a Christian "heresy" banned by the church. The Quran says Jesus never died on the cross and was never resurrected, hence the ideological war between the religious leaders turned into a real war with people dying in the streets for no good reason.
sorellman 2 years ago
I think it would be kindof strange it it wasnt a Christian, Muslims and Jewish people dont usually write anything about Jesus. Although Jesus was a Jew, maybe he was resorected again and wrote his own name.
Rileydog78 2 years ago
o_O Resurrected again? He's out of the grave and still alive.
Tekka 2 years ago
I live in Florida but was Born and raised in Suffern, in the shadow of that awesome peak, I first hiked to the Torne from my Grandfather's Sloatsburg home in 1978 as a 6 year old boy, Hiked and camped out on that very rock easily 2 dozen times and last hiked there less then a year ago last March and witnessed this new graffiti in person. What a crappy thing to have to look at after a decade's absence and an exhilerating hour long vertical hike. Thanks Tom and Monica!
DAMIEN7667 2 years ago
Hundreds of years ago, this was a West point revolutionary war lookout point. Torne Sentrys could see British ships masts enter NY harbor, consequently, a rider on horseback could easily ride through what is now Harriman State Park to West Point faster then a ship could sail up the Hudson, So the fort was always prepared and was never taken. Soldiers w/ days of spare time carved their names and dates in the granite, still visible if you look closely, spray paint wasnt invented till later.
DAMIEN7667 2 years ago
Now any yahoo with a rattlecan paint can deface nature and leave their mark. I plan to spend $20 at walmart next time I am in town on earth toned spray paint and paint over that crap as close to the rocks natural color as possible, hopefully, it wont be as bad, Ive seen it done in other parks, and while not perfect, you would almost have to know it was once there to notice it. Im looking forward to the task, just hope I dont get arrested like these idiots should have!!!
DAMIEN7667 2 years ago
Ill tell you who these idiots wereyoung moronic city people who discovered God but are not enlightened enough to know that looking over a valley from the top of a mountain without ruining it for everyone else is what any God would want. They can drive up from the ghetto but they cant help but bring some of it with them, and they always manage to leave some behind.............Thanks CHRISTIAN VANDELS!
btepper 2 years ago
Christians always have to put their garbage right in other people's faces...
tabanorama 2 years ago
It's their country too, they can write and mold the land and nature as much as they want. You can do the same.
Tekka 2 years ago
No you cant. Its a State park. That means you take only pictures, leave only footprints. What you CAN do is purchase your own land, and do upon it what you please. I'm willing to bet Tom and Monica (Who signed their names in paint) have not grafittied their residence like this.
DAMIEN7667 2 years ago
People tend to only say something can't be done after something has occurred. Which is retarded because it never stops the previous event and never stops future events. People are always going to do whatever the hell they want because control and law is mostly an illusion.
Tekka 2 years ago
I hate to tell you but Jesus, Santa, the tooth fairy and Freddy Kruger all live in the same universe...Imagination Land.
Rileydog78 2 years ago 2
@Tekka What about self-control, and how do we get to behave in accordance with the laws of harmony behind the universe? The answer is knowledge. Know the laws of the universe, and then know yourself.
sorellman 2 years ago
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What planet are you from dum dum. First of all its in parkland so its illegal to vandalize anything there. Even if its not illegal...they do not have the right to write and mold jack Sh@#. Iv been going there all my life and now its ruin bc of one person. You Tekka are one unintelligent human being!
Rileydog78 2 years ago
Blah blah blah, it's a bunch of rocks and dirt and plants. People are always going to screw around with that sort of thing. It doesn't matter if a group of people or government says you can't.
With all of that said, your arguments against me are full of fail. You not only go on a personal attack, but you can't use proper grammar or punctuation. The only one who looks stupid is you. You're projecting your own intellectual inadequacies. Grow up and look into getting a GED.
Tekka 2 years ago
So in your world I guess the Grand Canyon would be covered in Spray paint and garbage? Have you ever heard of leave only footprints or carry in carry out? The Torne is an historical landmark. Dum Dum is the nicest word I can think of for an ignorant moron like yourself. Plus I thought the simple spelling would help you out. Punctuation can be left out of a You Tube comment lady, obviously the point was understood; look at the rest of the comments genius.
Rileydog78 2 years ago
"Blah blah blah, it's a bunch of rocks and dirt and plants." Anyone with this attitude should be beaten within an inch of his or her lives on at least a weekly basis. Talk about a worthless human being, WOW!
Rileydog78 2 years ago
@Tekka You write: "your arguments against me are full of fail." Then you call him "stupid". Your response seems to be full of vile. The government in this country is of the people and by the people. The reason the government has established certain rules is because the majority of the people wanted to protect nature from vandalism. In an ideal world we would not need rules, we would just behave civil. These "Christians" have broken the rule of the people and their behavior was uncivil.
sorellman 2 years ago
I cant help but comment on this again. This is the most ridiculous and ignorant statement I have heard in a while. Not only is this person ok with this but they are encouraging others to join in. Kindof funny but mostly sad that an adult in this country would think this way.
Rileydog78 2 years ago
ignorant christians. good job sorellman.
ninjafatballz 2 years ago
How did you know that the people who did this were Christians?
rebelskeptic 2 years ago
kind of obvious dont you think?!
ninjafatballz 2 years ago
Not really, many religions worship God!! or have Jesus in their religion!!
I don't condone this, but I still think that putting the blame on christians without having proof that it was is kind of ignorant!!
cobalt87 2 years ago
if this were in another country yea maybe, but this is in the United States, I think it would be foolish to think someone who wasnt a christian did this....
ninjafatballz 2 years ago
I see your point! But then again, about 80% of people who live in the states claim they are christian but do not attend church or follow any of the life a "Christian" should!! They aren't true christians I guess is what Im trying to say! They could do some of the worst things and still call themselves christian. Trust me, I've met my share of hipocritic religious people! It bugs me! It gives others who are real christians a bad rep!
cobalt87 2 years ago
what ass holes!!!!!!
xsyounggun 3 years ago