Mormonism Exposed - September Dawn Highlights

[Dalessiokiller]

"The horrific way in which Brigham Young, a character presumed to be Apostle George A. Smith, pioneer John D. Lee and a fictional bishop are depicted is patently demonic. These characters could have come from nowhere other than the imagination of someone with an intense personal loathing of the Mormon Church and its leaders. Not since Adolf Hitler depicted Jews has Western cinema been used to so spitefully destroy the history and reputation of religious leaders."

[Dalessiokiller]

a bigoted hatchet job...This isn't a movie review so much as it is a warning. "September Dawn" is not a poorly made movie, it is an expertly crafted attack on the Mormon Church. It is an anti-Mormon sermon projected onto the silver screen, as replete with distortion and bigotry as any of the Web sites, pamphlets or books conjured up to vilify the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints since it was founded more than 175 years ago. - Bob Lonsberry, "Commentary," The Washington Times

[isthechurchtrue]

@IExposeMormonism

I don't see how it is a mistake to say "It's probably those Missourians, they hate him.." regardless of where the jail was. The people of Missouri could have traveled to Illinois or Arkansas to confront Joseph Smith. The jail guard was guessing who was outside based on Joseph Smith's history with Missouri. I don't think that there is historical evidence pointing to who exactly killed Joseph Smith or why they did it exactly. This leaves historians to speculate about who & why.

[IExposeMormonism]

@isthechurchtrue I meant to say Carthage Illinois. All the perps were bureaucrats in the state. (they were Freemasons, too) The Governor, sheriff, deputy, jailor, etc. The militia there had to be mostly or entirely Freemasons. All 5 tried for JS death were in Illinois militia, etc... I'm not clear on why Missourians are guilty of crimes in Illinois, but this is Mormonism.

[IExposeMormonism]

There is a big mistake at minute 4:43, someone says "It's probably those Missourians, they hate him.." But this is Carthage Jail, Arkansas. If you pay attention, at minute 5:54, he is stabbing the knife into the wood. With freshly severed testicles in place. This happened more than once.

[JediLDS]

"To this day the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has not apologized for their crimes."

The poster of this video is either completely out of touch with reality, or deliberately deceitful. The church has built a monument where the Mountain Meadows Massacre occurred, in remembrance for what happened there.

[QHealing]

Was there any Historical Evidence

[IExposeMormonism]

@QHealing Yes.

[awolLDSasap]

Brigham was too fat to travel. 

[FalseFlag369]

Recently visited the Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City, and asked one of the glassy eyed girls whatever happened to the gold tablets and spectacles Joseph Smith used to decipher them with. She stated they no longer existed and had been returned to Heaven. Any idea or person can be the basis for organizing a religion. Elvis Presley has a cult following, just as Napoleon, and Hitler. The cult of personality worship exists in Hollywood. Scientology has John Travolta and Tom Cruise as adherents.

[KoolestDudeNTheBlock]

@isthechurchtrue hello can you help me please i just joined the church what should i do?

[spartiataeos]

@KoolestDudeNTheBlock the church that thinks to have a monopoly over god's love and justice, just ins't worth the 2nd glance. By their fruits ye shall know them, said Christ. DOES this massacre, along with other atrocities, sound a good fruit to you?

[rabidfox1]

@KoolestDudeNTheBlock you should pray for God to guide you, and take a step back from this kind of contentious conversation. People here are highly offensive about the church, and have taken creative license about the past. If you want to know what you should do about befriending a person someone else says is a bad person, you go to the source -the person- not to the propaganda machine who hates that person. Learn more about the covenants you made, and pray for the Spirit to guide you.

[isthechurchtrue]

@rabidfox1

"you go to the source -the person- not to the propaganda machine who hates that person"

Would you believe everything a Ford Dealer says about a Ford car he is about to sell you?

All Mormons & Ex-Mormons have already heard the message of Mormonism. You think that they disagree with it because they are motivated by blind hate. Do you think that Grant Palmer & John Dehlin are motivated by blind hatred? They are both LDS & claim that the LDS Church is lying about it's history & beliefs.

[isthechurchtrue]

@rabidfox1

"you go to the source -the person- not to the propaganda machine who hates that person."

The LDS Church is the one teaching it's members that they should believe everything it says & not even read opposing view points. That is like believing a Ford dealership 100% of the time about a Ford car over a consumer protection agency, etc. In fact according to the LDS, you should not even read the consumer protection agencies report because you already have a Ford car salesmen to talk to.

[JediLDS]

@isthechurchtrue claims: "The LDS Church is the one teaching it's members that they should believe everything it says & not even read opposing view points."

LOL...what an utter load of BS (bologna sandwiches)! I've been in the church probably longer than you've been alive, and no one has ever told me what I could and could not read. I visit and post on anti-Mormon sites on a daily basis. Sounds to me like you've been suckered by the anti-Mormon crowd's literature. Don't be so gullible, m'man.

[miltona635]

Of course it's IMPOSSIBLE for some White Dude to have been the Christ of Israel. Why do Mormons perpetuate the Lie of this White Guy with a Beard and Long Flowing Brown Hair as the Savior? Mormons are very intelligent people, but they are NOT HONEST. They KNOW that it's completely IMPOSSIBLE for some White Dude to have been Born and Raised in the Middle East to Semitic Parents and Heritage, to also be born as a White Child. Stop with this Lie of Jesus being a White Man, IT''S A Total LIE!!

[panzerkilla]

The Mormons telling the settlers to give up all their guns sounds an awful lot like Obama and our Government...

[IExposeMormonism]

@panzerkilla Yes it does. And there are more similarities to 911. Like, the perps are the lying false accusers and the very perpetrator's themselves. They lying false accusers control the land, the media, communication system and travel.

[panzerkilla]

Does this mean I shouldn't move to Utah? I'm a Christian not a LDS.

[ccconrad88]

@isthechurchtrue James 1:5. I give you that from the Bible :)

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88

James 1:5 proves that there never was a Great Apostasy as Mormonism teaches. At any point in time and at any place, a person can pray to God and God will answer their prayers. No matter what the situation, sincere people have the ability to communicate with God through prayer. Therefore at any given time there are people who have the truth of Jesus Christ. Since the coming of Christ there never has been a world wide Apostasy were the truth of Christ was taken away from the earth.

[ccconrad88]

@isthechurchtrue :/ You are just being a bully now. We have the answers, not me personally, because I have been a convert for a year. But I will have to make you feel stupid now and then I will stop messaging back. It is just a boring conversation now... :( Soo.. How do you find out a church is true? You prayer about the truthfulness to your Heavenly Father, right? I have done this and the Holy Ghost has manifested unto that it is in fact true. :) Life's little miracles. I assume you have

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88

Moroni's Promised (Moroni 10:3-5) is found throughout the dozens of Mormon sects (LDS, FLDS, Community of Christ, TLC, Strangites, Rigdonites, etc). All of them claim that by praying to Heavenly Father you can know that their sect is true. Every sect has members professing that they have received confirmation by the Holy Ghost that their sect of Mormonism is true, yet that is impossible. Obviously that method of finding "the true church" has not worked and is completely subjective.

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88

Mormonism wants people to base their belief on their feelings because they do not have anything else to appeal to. Peoples feelings can easily be misinterpreted as the Holy Ghost and those same feelings can be fickle and misleading. Mormon missionaries want you to pray about things you know nothing about. Before reading the entire Book of Mormon or having knowledge about Mormonism you are asked to pray to know if it is true. You cannot know it is true without knowing what it is.

[ccconrad88]

@isthechurchtrue And in that statement sir, you just denied a scripture in the Bible. Thank you for proving my point. BYE D: I don't want to message back anymore :(

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88

"I gave you answers"

Actually all you did was dodge a discussion with me about Mormonism then spew an enormous amount of nonsense in an attempt to distract people from the fact that your statements are completely devoid of substance and answers.

LDS Missionaries are trained to always bring tough questions back to basic gospel doctrine questions that they have a canned answer for. It is their way of avoiding the question. Just the same as you pretend to have answered my questions.

[ccconrad88]

For those who want the truth of our church, confront a missionary, member of our church, mormon.org, or lds.org. Until then, nothing can be said about us. We have all of your questions answered. You must be willing to soften your hearts and listen to it. :)

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88

"Until then, nothing can be said about us."

So your saying that only members of the LDS Church are allowed to have an opinion about the LDS Church and that missionaries are the only valid source of info. You fail to realize that 60% of the LDS Church membership is inactive because the church is not what it claims to be. Also that most critics of the LDS Church are actually ex-members (aka ex-Mormons) who are well informed about the religion and have seen through the deception.

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88

"We have all of your questions answered."

I do not see Mormons answering the questions that I have posed on my YouTube Channel. I am sure if you had all the questions answered then the retention rate in the LDS Church would not be so low.

"You must be willing to soften your hearts and listen to it."

I guess by that you mean that the message can't be criticized like what Dallin Oaks tells the members - "It is wrong to criticize leaders of the church even if the criticism is true."

[ccconrad88]

@isthechurchtrue This is nothing I am willing to argue. I apologize. What you must understand is that you are looking much too deeply into this. It is simple. Joseph Smith was confused of the true church, he studied and pondered about it, on day he went into the woods and knelt down and prayed, the Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ appeared to him and told him what he had been asking for. You may want to argue, but I know this church is true. I've prayed about it and have been told. Thank you.

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88

"you are looking much too deeply into this. It is simple."

It figures that you go from having all the answers to just wanting to talk about glittering generalities. You leave out the details that tell the true story. For example Joseph Smith never published the first vision account until 1842 (22 years after it supposedly occurred). Yet in the account that you refer to he said that all the sects united to persecute him (Joseph Smith History 1:22) just a few days after it occurred.

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88

It is also strange that there weren't any written records of the bitter persecution he supposedly suffered for telling religious leaders about the first vision (JSH 1:22). None of his family or friends ever mentioned the persecution or the vision itself. It is even stranger that after he had the supposed first vision he would publish a revelation saying that no man can see the face of God and live (D&C 84:21-22) without the priesthood (which he did not have during the first vision).

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88

In order to believe the first vision account you would have to over look the contradictory accounts of the first vision including the ones handwritten by Joseph Smith, the doctrinal contradiction in D&C 84:21-22, the lack of persecution that Joseph said he encountered as a result of the first vision, that it took Joseph 22 years to publish the account, that there wasn't a revival in his hometown in 1820, and all other contradictory statements by leaders of the LDS Church about it.

[ccconrad88]

@isthechurchtrue You are looking too far into this... In other words, you are over thinking this. My testimony is all I can give to you.

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88

"You are looking too far into this... you are over thinking this."

So I am applying to much critical thinking to Mormonism. Apparently not much is required to see through the deception. In order to believe Mormonism you shouldn't think about it.

"My testimony is all I can give to you."

What ever happened to you having all the answers? You said "We have all of your questions answered" yet you have not provided a single answer to any of the questions posed in any of my videos.

[ccconrad88]

@isthechurchtrue Because it is, all I can give you. I have not answered any questions, because you will not listen if I do. If you have any questions, refer to LDS.org or Mormon.org. I'm done with this conversation.. I pray for you. You are jealous of an amazing group of people. Amazing families, friends, and morals. I'm sure you have felt the spirit and that is why you argue against it. Because you know it is true. Have a great day though.

[ccconrad88]

@isthechurchtrue And I have not denied any answer, nor have I avoided an answer. I answered your questions with a location where you can find the answers. Now Bye! :D

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88

I already know that the LDS Missionaries will only speak about basic beliefs. They have a set way of doing things based on their manual "Preach My Gospel" and they will not deviate from it.  Mormon.org is the same way. They say milk before meat, as if we were children.

Apparently you will not discuss the issues I have brought up on my channel either. You think by sending people on a wild goose chase for answers you will trick them into thinking that you actually have some.

[ccconrad88]

@isthechurchtrue Do you now? The missionaries transfer out every 6 weeks :) Which means!... NEW MISSIONARIES! WOOH! So, you can always try again. The learn the basics from Preach My Gospel, but they learn deep doctorine in the MTC as well. Trust me, I'm preparing for a mission. Therefore, they will answer your questions. You are just making excuses :( No excuses! ;D I also gave you LDS.org, try that. I think you are just being a bum and too lazy to do deep research :/

[ccconrad88]

@isthechurchtrue I think that'd be a weird thing to bring up in the MTC when they say "Hey, if they ask questions about the church, send them to different places so they will give up." Haha ;) It is actually more like "Here's the answer! Go teach it! Hooray!" :D And then we are sent to teach you guys the True Church, because that's a missionary's job! How awesome is that? I'll tell you... Awesome. Haha. Please, stop messaging back. I gave you answers and locations of answers.

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88

Mormons have been dodging questions for so long they even have names for their techniques.

They have “Answering the question that should have been asked”

They have “Changing the topic”

They have “Milk before meat”

But these are new ones: Pretend the answer is somewhere else & Pretend that incoherent babel counts as the answer. At least you are innovating new ways of dodging the question. You are going to need it if you serve a mission in the First World (like USA or Europe).

[ccconrad88]

@ccconrad88 I assume you have been so busy finding out why it can't be true that you forgot the true way to find out how it is true. I'm sure yo uhave classes at your church that teach against Islamic and Mormon beliefs, but we've never had that. We've accepted everyone since the begining, as Jesus Christ would. I apologize that yo ucan't accept us and that you are too stubborn to search for our answers more in depth. You must learn to be more Christ-Like, that's our goal. Bye now. :) Seriously

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88

"I'm sure yo uhave classes at your church that teach against Islamic and Mormon beliefs" No, I do not. I learned about Mormonism by reading Mormon publications like the Book of Mormon, D&C, Pearl of Great Price, Journal of Discourses, JST, The Bible dictionary notes and commentary inserted into the KJV, Encyclopedia of Mormonism, Jesus The Christ, Articles of Faith, LDS.org, Mormon.org, etc. and talking with Mormons and with their critics. I have done a lot of personal research.

[IExposeMormonism]

@ccconrad88 How can you say Mormonism accepted everyone from the beginning when JS made so many distinctions between M'ism and Christianity. His first vision called all denominations 'anathema". His polygamy revelation nullified all non Mormon marriages and contracts. The blood atonement embedded in it contributed directly to the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Mormon Jesus is a polygamist and so is his dad. M' "god" was once a man. Christian God created the universe and IS before the universe

[ccconrad88]

@IExposeMormonism You've got the wrong Mormon. I'm a Latter-Day Saint. A non-polygamist. Jesus Christ and the Heavenly Father came down to tell us of the wrong churches, because of the Great Apostasy. Something you should look up, it is an interesting fact. We did polygamy for a few years to expand the church as the Heavenly Father asked us to do. We believe in the Bible. We know God created the Universe. So. CALM DOWN. Haha. ;) Again... Mormon.org and LDS.org for answers D: We do accept all.

[IExposeMormonism]

@ccconrad88 First, LDS were in Nauvoo and practicing polygamy long before the "revelation". They packed polygamy in their prairie schooners and practiced it in SLC. with gusto. At least 25%. Christianity is not polygamous. Judaism is. It's legal in Israel today. And in Mormonism, your 'god' was born into a universe of pre existing matter. He became a god thru works, he is one of zillions of gods. Not Christian beliefs. So, I'd find out what your religion really believes. polygamy&polytheism.

[ccconrad88]

@IExposeMormonism Believe it or not. We believe in one God. If you read throughout the Book of Mormon and the Bible and the Doctorine and Convenants, it clearly explains that we believe in one God. Polygamy was started after revelation, your information was received by a biased source, because there are a lot of people out to get us. We have all of the correct info on our beliefs on Mormon.org and LDS.org. Our church does not teach against other churches. So, stop please. Christians accept all.

[IExposeMormonism]

@ccconrad88 I quote Mormon sources like "The Nauvoo Endowment Ceremonies, a Documentary History" and "Sacred Loneliness". I have your D&C, including originals, original church histories, and other books. J.S. first vision called all Christianity "anathema". You can't have a polygamous and monogamous Jesus, nor a polytheistic and monotheistic Jesus/God. They don't reconcile. Something is wrong and I'm going with Thousands of years of Christianity, not Joe's B.S.

[ccconrad88]

@IExposeMormonism You contradict though... If you are a Christian and follow Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ accepts all and asks all to come unto him. He is an amazing man. Being Christ-like means accepting all and inviting all unto Him. Soo.... You are not accepting "Mormons". :/ You are bullying us for our truth that you will not accept. It does not have to be your truth, but all we ask is for you to accept us.

[IExposeMormonism]

@ccconrad88 Polygamy and polytheism are not reconcilable with monogamy and monotheism. Thus the separation. Leave Mormonism, it's not Christian. It's Mormon.

[ccconrad88]

@IExposeMormonism Thus comes the name, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. And your churches name? :/

[ccconrad88]

@IExposeMormonism Actually, I apologize for that last post. Uncalled for. Nevertheless, I'm done arguing. No more posts from me :/ I end these posts with concluding that Mormon is just a nickname given to us because of the Book of Mormon. It has been said in the past two general Conferences and a few before them that say we are to refer to ourselves as Latter-Day Saints or Christians, because we are. But also, that again, I know this church is true. I have been told of its truthfulness.

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88

You are the perfect example of Mormon thinking. Your "concluding" post has absolutely nothing to do with the previous statements & is a non sequitur. First you tell people to go to Mormon.org to get information about the LDS, then say "we are to refer to ourselves as Latter-Day Saints or Christians" and that Mormon is a nickname that should not be used. Really? Then why does the LDS Church have an official webpage called Mormon.org & publish books with titles like "Mormon Doctrine"

[IExposeMormonism]

@ccconrad88 No apology necessary. "Mormon" has been used by Mormons from the beginning. It's not just a nickname, I have some 300+ books on the subject and it's used early on by M'. Don't let anyone "Tell' you of its truthfulness. Research it on your own and you'll have an eye opening experience.

[ccconrad88]

@IExposeMormonism The Holy Ghost told me.

[IExposeMormonism]

@ccconrad88 Well, if he told you baby Jesus is a polygamist and a polytheist it was the wrong ghost. Might have Casper Ghost or some one else. Sticking your head into an old white hat with your pet rock is not a sign of divinity. I posted a letter of Emma Smith to a NY newspaper. c1845

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88

you said "The Holy Ghost told me."

Not all spirits are of God

1 Tim. 4:1 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits,and doctrines of devils;"

2 Co. 11:13-15 "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.And no marvel;for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed..."

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88 you said "The Holy Ghost told me."

Not all spirits are of God

1 Tim. 4:1 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits,and doctrines of devils;"

2 Co. 11:13-15 "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.And no marvel;for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed..."

[ccconrad88]

@isthechurchtrue Yes, but Ezekiel 37:16-17. Predicting the Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ coming unto Joseph Smith. That is all though. I'm done arguing :( There is no point.

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88

There is a point to studying the scriptures so that you can understand them. Ezekiel 37:16-17 does not talk about the Book of Mormon & the Bible.Those verses talk about the division that was in Israel at the time and how the 2 groups would be united again.Emphraim and Judah are 2 of the 12 tribes of Israel. You should read more of the Bible so that you understand what it is saying.You need to verify Mormon claims before you believe them.Verses 18-22 explains what verses 16-17 mean.

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88

Ezekiel 37:18-20

"And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes."

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88

Ezekiel 37:21-22

"And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all."

It is talking about a King uniting Israel.

[isthechurchtrue]

@ccconrad88

"We believe in one God. If you read throughout the Book of Mormon and the Bible and the Doctorine and Convenants, it clearly explains that we believe in one God."

Sure if you skip-D&C 132:18-20 & 37 / D&C 121:32 which all speak of the "Gods"

Plus once you read other Mormon Scripture like the Book of Abraham Chapters 4 & 5 you will see that Mormonism believes in Polytheism.On top of that you can read Teachings of the Prophets Joseph Smith & others about how there are more than one God

[ccconrad88]

@ccconrad88 I don't want to make you look stupid anymore :/

[rabidfox1]

@isthechurchtrue "...the retention rate in the LDS Church would not be so low."

What are they in comparison to say your church? Most Christian denominations probably do not keep records as the LDS church does, so our retention rates actually show. A random person in some Christian denomination might not have been baptized by that particular sect, if they leave, they might go to another church which they still count as "active". Most denominations go by attendance, so new people mask the lost.

[rabidfox1]

@isthechurchtrue "...the retention rate in the LDS Church would not be so low."

Also, retention rates are so low because the devil and his angels are furious at those who join this church, and so there is more opposition, and they do what they can to deceive the scriptures say the very elect can be deceived. That is why people go less active. How does it feel to be part of that cause? Most non LDS Christians push a plastic Jesus on the world, and it is harder to be a true saint. Sheep get lost.

[isthechurchtrue]

@rabidfox1

"Christians push a plastic Jesus on the world"

I don't know what you mean by a plastic Jesus, but I do know what Mormonism teaches about Jesus.

According to Mormonism: Jesus Christ was created in the pre-existence by celestial sex, then incarnated through physical sex between God the Father & Mary. Therefore Jesus Christ is not the God of the universe, did not create all things, was not conceived by the Holy Ghost, & not born of a virgin. This is Mormonism's idea of Jesus Christ.

[JediLDS]

@isthechurchtrue Wrong again, m'man. Jesus IS the God of the universe who created all things (under direction of God the Father), and he was conceived by the Holy Ghost. The birth of Jesus was indeed a virgin birth, according to Mormon doctrine. I certainly believe it.

[Exodus314IAM]

@JediLDS So then who was Brigham Young? a prophet? what is the Journal of Discourses is it reliable? "Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost," or "The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the RESULT of natural action..." hmm there is a problem here, either a false prophet or false writings? maybe both?

[Exodus314IAM]

@JediLDS What about Bruce McConkie a member of the Quorum of the "Twelve Apostles"? and what about Mormon Doctrine written by him? "And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events..." who can you trust in the "church"?

[JediLDS]

@Exodus314IAM McConkie's "Mormon Doctrine" isn't. That's not to say that his book is worthless, because it's not. BUT...it is not official doctrine. Even apostles have a right to personal opinion. Many apostles have written book expressing opinions on various topics.

Happy New Year!

[Exodus314IAM]

@JediLDS Ok not trying to sound belittling but if your LDS leader is writing things called "Mormon Doctrine" and you cannot trust it to be accurate then?? what the heck are you still doing with them? I would be running sorry to say! That would be enough to make someone an athiest in itself.

I hope you have/had a great and safe New Years also!

[Shazoolo]

Have had this video in my favourites for a good while now and just watched it. Great highlights but very disturbing. Actually makes you quite angry at how people can be manipulated into such great evil. God will judge those who thought they got away with this atrocity. I recognized a lot of factual Mormon quotations about blood atonement in this film. Chilling and blasphemous.

[JediLDS]

@Shazoolo There is a reason that the movie tanked when it came out. Over 11 million dollars to produce and made about 1 million (if that) at the box office. The producers were hoping that the church would raise a stink about it, thus creating controversy and generating more viewers. Didn't happen. Most reviewers saw the movie for what it was: blatant twisting of the facts. Did MMM happen? No question. But Brigham Young never ordered it. Rogue LDS members in that area were responsible.

[IExposeMormonism]

I like this version better than the original. It captures the essence and leaves out the sloppy romantic stuff. And any errors in this movie only go to ameliorate the sins of Brigham and the Mormon Church, which is responsible for this massacre

[JediLDS]

@IExposeMormonism Now you are being dishonest. Surely you know about the existence of the letter Brigham Young sent telling the saints in that area to let the wagon train through, don't you? If so, why the dishonesty?

[IExposeMormonism]

@JediLDS Oh, you mean the note in between the 2 martial law edicts of Aug 5 Sept 14? Why would Mormons need to ask for permission Not to slaughter a wagon train? Haslams ride was cheap CYA. Why did Dimmick Huntington write in his journal that B.Young "gave all the cattle to the Indians"? real humans own the cattle.James Gammel states he heard B.Young say he would kill the train. Why did BY send GA Smith south in front of the train spewing lies concerning them. Evidence says Guilty.

[JediLDS]

@IExposeMormonism "James Gammel states he heard B.Young say he would kill the train."

That's not evidence, that's hearsay. So is the bit about BY giving all the cattle to the indians.

Gotta do better than that.

[IExposeMormonism]

@JediLDS Gammel's statements are evidence. It's what he said he heard. Hearsay, as you mean it, is when, for example, someone says Gammel told them B.Y. said he would kill them. People,believe it or not, often give testimony on what they heard. For instance, Leon Panetta gave testimony that he heard VP Cheney say "Have you heard any different?" when an officer said "It's still coming, do the orders stand?". He asked that at the Pentagon on 911. See how WORDS and HEARING effect reality?

[IExposeMormonism]

@JediLDS Dimmick Huntington wrote in his diary what he heard Brggy say to the Indians in DH"s presence. If neither Huntington nor Gammel have any merit with you how the hell do you read the BofM, Abe Papyrus and other assorted Easily Disproved Lies? DH is Briggy's Right Hand Man and Gammel was a devote Mormon. He went to Texas and brought back many a Morg on Briggy's orders. Both were devoted polygamists in good standing Just what do you believe and based on What??

[isthechurchtrue]

@rabidfox1

"Sometime after Henry and Zina were married, Joseph told Dimick Huntington, Zina's brother,the story... and asked that Dimick tell the story to Zina... 'Tell Zina I have put it off and put it off until an angel with a drawn sword has stood before me and told me if I did not establish that principle [plurality of wives] and live it, I would lose my position and my life and the Church could progress no further.'"

You are the one that is tossing around a bunch of non-sense.

[isthechurchtrue]

@rabidfox1

"There was no divorce from Henry; Zina was still married to him prior to the sealing, was pregnant with Henry's first child at the time of the sealing, and continued to live as Henry's wife after the sealing. Joseph obviously felt that it was permissible to marry an already married woman, else he would not have been sealed to Zina"

[isthechurchtrue]

@rabidfox1

FAIR admits that polyandry was practiced by early Mormons and Joseph Smith himself was involved in it. Joseph Smith asked married women to marry him as well. These quotes come from a FAIR article entitled "Zina and Her Men: An Examination of the Changing Marital State of Zina Diantha Huntington Jacobs Smith Young"

[rabidfox1]

there is no proof of any polyandry, and the highest figures for polygamy were 3% of the church. There is so much BS flying around in the anti-mormon propaganda machine, it's a wonder its cogs stay lubed. The movie is no exception, being so loosely based on real events, to make it fiction. Inglorious Bastards is based on real events too. Many a movie are based on real events, yet are still fictional. Many of the characters were made up, and the ones who weren't were not portrayed realistically.

[IExposeMormonism]

@rabidfox1 Being ignorant of your own religion is understandable, the Hierarchy is good at obfuscation and slight of hand with the truth. Any woman with 2 husbands is polyandry. Many Mormon women had 2 or more husbands. And a good 25% of Utah Mormons practiced polygamy. Most of the 60 Mormon men at the MMM were polygamists and all were under the Mormon Endowment Ceremony Oaths, and its violent idolatrous words. Most Mormons fleeing Nauvoo for Utah had polygamy packed in their pampers.

[rabidfox1]

@IExposeMormonism

being ignorant in a general sense is something that happens easily when you have blind hate. It is fact that the polygamy in the LDS church never rose above 3%, and you still have not given any proof of any of your other claims. You merely restated them as if they were facts, which bores me. Great joke at the end of your post though.

[IExposeMormonism]

@rabidfox1 3% polygamy is beyond your being ignorant, it's denial. In fact polygamy was 25%. To get up to speed find "The Nauvoo Endowment Ceremonies a Documentary History..." By Mormons for Mormons. Even Nauvoo was over 20%. You'll discover Joe being married After he was dead. They did pack polygamy in their pampers and prairie schooners. Brigham publicly pronounced polygamy in 1852 in Utah, they went at it with gusto. 3%! you're funny.

[IExposeMormonism]

The opening tells us "Inspired by Real events". Right out of the gate, This movie, for any faults, is more accurate than any Book of Mormon or any Mormon's version of the Real truth of that 911day. Any Mormon in c1857 dare telling the truth fled Mormonism, many did. Fled for their lives, literally. Because the BofM is not inspired by the truth but inspired through theft and plagiarism we have reasonable cause to dismiss it as fraud..... to which the congregation said dumdumdum

[akg771959]

@IExposeMormonism Agreed! Perhaps the best read is the online download "Ann Eliza Young...The 19th Wife" I would be far more persuaded to believe the words of somebody that actually lived during this time rather than some church historian. The writings of Brigham Young's 19th wife is much in line with much of the information in this movie...imagine that!

[isthechurchtrue]

@rabidfox

"Or if he came and said, "I want your wife?" "O yes," he would say, "here she is, there are plenty more.""

"If such a man of God should come to me and say, "I want your gold and silver, or your wives," I should say, "Here they are, I wish I had more to give you, take all I have got." A man who has got the Spirit of God, and the light of eternity in him, has no trouble about such matters."

Journal of Discourses 2:14, Jedediah M. Grant, February 19, 1854

[isthechurchtrue]

@rabidfox

Even if the scene about the "apostle" taking another man's wife was fictional, it is based on a well documented practice of early Mormons. Joseph Smith (for example) married several men's wives while those women were still married to them. This is called polyandry and no amount of twisting the scriptures can justify it. Parley P. Pratt (an apostle) married Hector McLean's wife while he was still married to her. This is well documented because Hector killed Pratt over the affair.

[Shazoolo]

I tried to get this film here in the UK a while back but kept drawing a blank so thanks for this.

[akg771959]

Typical mormonism...deny, deny, deny.

[rabidfox1]

@akg771959 The film is loosely based on actual events, and the creators took their creative license to the fullest extent. Never once has an "apostle" stolen the wife of a member. At its maximum, 3% of the church were practicing polygamy, and the way it is portrayed here is not factual or based on any documentation, it is imagined to be this way by people who hate the church. The film was a joke, and should not be taken as an accurate history lesson.

[akg771959]

@rabidfox1 I would trust that you have investigated BOTH mormon AND "anti" mormon materials before making this response. I have already investigated both and have come to my own conclusion...thank you very much.

[rabidfox1]

@akg771959 Yes, I have. I used to be highly anti-Mormon myself. Having read lots of literature, and watched all the propaganda against the church, I began to see a superfluousness to it all. I began to question it, and have found more holes in the propaganda than I ever thought I saw in the religion itself. Legally the film makers had to state it was 'based on actual events", and not "based on a true story", so they could use a little more creative license and embellish the hell out of it.

[akg771959]

@rabidfox1 I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I am of the opposite end of the spectrum. I was a mormon for 25 years...until I came to know the Lord as my personal Savior.

[IExposeMormonism]

@rabidfox1 The joke is in the stolen plagiarized BofM. Any errors here only go to mitigate in favor of the Mormon. The clearer the truth the more Mormons will flee Mormonism. Way more than 3% were polygamists. more like 25%. "The Nauvoo Endowment Ceremonies, a Documentary History..." by Mormons for Mormons, shows how extensive the obscene stench of polygamy pervaded Mormonism. Why is it necessary to "nullify all non Mormon marriages and contracts" in order for Mormons to practice polygamy?

[IExposeMormonism]

@rabidfox1 The joke is in the stolen plagiarized BofM. Any errors here only go to mitigate in favor of the Mormon. The clearer the truth the more Mormons will flee Mormonism. Way more than 3% were polygamists. more like 25%. "The Nauvoo Endowment Ceremonies, a Documentary History..." by Mormons for Mormons, shows how extensive the obscene stench of polygamy pervaded Mormonism. Why is it necessary to "nullify all non Mormon marriages and contracts" in order for Mormons to practice polygamy?

[IExposeMormonism]

@rabidfox1 The joke is in the stolen plagiarized BofM. Any errors here only go to mitigate in favor of the Mormon. The clearer the truth the more Mormons will flee Mormonism. Way more than 3% were polygamists. more like 25%. "The Nauvoo Endowment Ceremonies, a Documentary History..." by Mormons for Mormons, shows how extensive the obscene stench of polygamy pervaded Mormonism. Why is it necessary to "nullify all non Mormon marriages and contracts" in order for Mormons to practice polygamy?