There was a time when labor unions were necessary. For all the good they once did they now cause destruction of economic value for both their members and for the organizations they once organized.
You union thugs are welcome to my house anytime you please. When you get there, I'll invite you in, then, I will put you on the floor on your knees with a 357 to your fucking head til you shit your pants, then I'll let you go - the first time. The next time, if your that stupid, you'll leave my house in a body bag.
@mytubes1962 Thats exactly what will happen at my place. If you come on my property you will be deemed a physical threat and I will not hesitate to shoot your asses. I won't kill you, but I will maim you for life so that you will never forget your thug mentality!
you obviously do not understand anything about large corporations and what actually goes on. I read quite a few people spouting off at the mouth that have never "lived it".
fire those grenades from your moms comfy basement in suburbia. I can spot you from a mile away.
I can't believe people actually believe corporate weasels like this guy speaking.
NO ONE FORCES ANYONE TO GO UNION. UNIONS REPRESENT 10% OF AMERICAN JOBS. THERE ARE ANOTHER 90% OUT THERE, NO ONE IS FORCING ANYONE TO WORK IN A UNION ENVIRONMENT!!!
i cant beleive people are stupid enough to beleive this bullshit... unions are the only thing telling big corporations that they cant treat workers like slaves...
I just worked at a job and I'm non union but everyone else on the job was union and I was there 4 months and did not have any problems and was also very impressed with the quality and efficiency of the union workers, I have never worked union but with the way alot of employers treat workers I can see why there is a need for unions, most people that are against them have a love for the wealthy or have a money stake at bad mouthing unions. Unions are needed in some places.
Those people will more than likely be working long after your Union jobs are long gone .You dont negotiate you bully.Job banks are a good example ,and a good example of why you are running down and running out big business .Hell foreign companies are buying us up.That is wrong and that can be and will be laid at YOUR union feet.Just try to pull that shit on me you wont like it
Anyone who would put their trust in a company to "do the right thing" and give up the chance to negotiate wages and benefits..... Deserves what they get; lower wages, inferior benefits, and working without any security in your job. I'll never understand the mentality of these company ass kissers.
Awesome....... To see middle class workers campaigning for corporate greed, and cutting their own throat by giving up their ability to negotiate their wages ..... What idiots.
I wouldn't be so hard on the middle class. It's just that they tend to be so individualistic and from so many different cultural backgrounds, that organizing office workers is like trying to herd cats :-/
Down the road you will wish you had a union just like me when things start getting taken away from you, at one time I made better than the union as far as wages and benefits go but now in the last 5 years I have watched wages stay stagnant and benefits loosing ground while the union workers enjoy better wages and benefits than me, It's getting bad all over and it is a employers market right now.
@s46d45m17 BS...unions have done nothing for the people I know. Teamsters is corrupt and do nothing for TRUE workers and IBEW 135 lied to ALL it's due paying members when they shipped our jobs to Mexico;while retaining their union at the same building using the same equipment,doing the same jobs for BMG.
LIES and Intimidation.....the qualities of unions.
@linwooddeaton I used to be a member of IBEW. In the divisions I worked for(4 of them over the years), a diligent few picked up the slack for the rest. Laziness & ineptitude were rewarded with protection, while work ethic & competence were punished with the worst of projects. We never complained about getting the toughest jobs. We knew the reason: No one else was able.
I'm just glad to be out of that union mess where the worst are rewarded by being carried by the best & union reps cash in
@utube917 You are a loser, liar, and anti-American. Every DAY of the week Americans loose their jobs to immigrants. No matter what the occupation. Immigrants = lower wages. You act like the rest of humanity doesn't know this. What a jerk.
This video is a SHAM!!! "Right to Work" means lower wages, health care, retirement, etc. for workers while the "big shots" (CEO's, owners, stockholders, etc.) make all of the money!!!! How does one know that these people weren't paid to say what they did??!! Besides, the more money an American worker makes, the more taxes they'll GLADLY pay!!!! This video is a FAKE!! PERIOD.
They greatest trick devil worshipping Republican oligarchs ever came up with is getting these clearly poorly educated (and whipped) slave wage workers to support their own exploitation.
@timbosforporn Thanks for proving to all that Republicans are idiots by proving you never heard of the fact that a trade union called "Solidarity" was what freed Poland from Communism.
@SupernautG Thank you for pointing that out but did I say that all unions were communist. They just happen to be a breeding ground for 'workers of the world unite' totalitarianism.
@timbosforporn yes you and the GOP right wing idiots imply Unions are "commies" and "socialsts" when they are actually a defense against the power of the govt. That is why the Commies and the Nazis BANNED independed trade unions, you idiots.
@timbosforporn The Commies and Nazis forced trade unions to shut down and created a govt run trade union. Independent trade unions are a threat to totalitarian and authoritarian govts and that makes the Republican nuts that hate unions allies of totalitarians.
Very informative. Organized labor in the US is really nothing more than an outgrowth of one's right to freedom of assembly. So basically what the right wingnuts are saying is that the Constitution itself is communist, LOL.
@linwooddeaton "Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost." -- RONALD REAGAN See Reagan say it @ /watch?v=HsHXJr8tqP0&feature=p layer_embedded
"bad words" you poor sad clown. You really must be some kind of tragic living joke. All of your stupid worthless posts mumbling about immigints and unions. NO I DON'T GET THE PICTURE because you're a mindless incoherent dunce.
Your disgustingly ignorant and silly hysteria about unions is actually funny, you dull uneducated penniless simpleton.
osha doesnt do anything. that agency is a joke. only time you see them is when someone dies at work. right to work should be called right to be fired for what ever the company says. more unions=less unemployment
HEY UNION ASSHOLES GUESS WHO IS WINNING THIS FUCKING DEBATE: The right to work people, or the fucking unions that represent LESS THAN EIGHT FUCKING PERCENT OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
THere is a fucking reason so few people are in unions or want to be in unions.
Unions are run by thuggish assholes. Just look at the recent stories about a handicapped guy being beaten by SEIU thugs, or read about townhalls where union members have tried to intimidate people into silence. And everyone here has read countless stories about union corruption and organized crime being tied to unions. UNIONS ARE NOTHING BUT COLLECTIONS OF CORRUPT THUGS WHO WANT MORE PEOPLE TO PAY TAXES, OOPS I MEAN DUES, SO THEY CAN GET RICH.
@masanf These "town hall meetings" get paid opposition to disrupt them! LMAO You have to be among the most uninformed person I've run across. Union leaders are elected unlike the CEOs whose salaries have multiplied at an obscene rate compared to that of those who actually do the work. I know where every dime of my dues gets spent - can the same be said of the huge corporations (who support groups like NRTW) who got taxpayer bailout money?
@IWLocal8 pleas tell me, where does every cent of your dues get spent? oh and BTW the UAW got a tax payer bailout, remember? thats what the automakers needed to stay in business.
@superman7052 Come on over and look at the monthly readout that I get on every check that gets written and cashed. What did Ford get in the bailout? Who flew in the private jets to DC? Not Union reps, but the greedy execs. LOL
Your mother has a thuggish asshole. You are nothing, a waste of skin turning food into shit and boring the fuck out of the real people. Don't spout your lies again you fucking stupid pig.
Is there any organization in the United States more corrupt and willing to use intimidation, beatings and thuggery than unions? You can't turn on the TV or read a newspaper in a given month without seeing the story of union thugs beating people or union bosses being arrested and tried for corruption.
Unions are a fucking joke, and the asshole posters on here trying to force unions on people fucking prove it. If unions are so fucking great, let people vote for them with a secret ballot.
@masanf How about the US Government under Bush?How about the Republican'ts who outsource US jobs? How about the insurance companies who rape and pimp out US citizens - taking money to turn people down for medical care? Get a clue!
These unions have money running out of their ears. When are people going to get it that this is a racket. It was good once, until it became corrupted. It's as bad as our government.
That's great that people are out here talking about how they were victimized and some of you are insulting their appearance and making other vulgar comments. What proof do you have that ALL these random people are just making this up to be on youtube? How fulfilled their lives must be now that they are on the internet. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they are less than human. Apox on your houses!
almost two years ago i was escorted out of the building with a drum up charges, and fired,this happen at dana corp auburn hills,mi UAW LOCAL 771 after being employed by this company for over 40 yrs, sented complaints to mark mix never received a answer back just want donitions requests, a woman threaten me, attack a employee rip his shirt off this back, and stabbed him manys was allow to keep her job, what was the excuse by company having her arrested and put in jail, she will do it again !
Any indication that the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation is interested in anything BUT preventing unions from existing? If that is so, it would be no wonder that you got NO help from them.
Care to tell the world what you do for a living? Maybe some scabs can come in and do your job for half the money, because you don't have a contract in place to prevent this from happening.
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You want to talk about intimidation. Come to Florida and work here in this right to work state and see how business management intimidates workers. You would not beleive it. I mean yuou really would not believe it if I told you.
I have been reading a fair amount regarding the EFCA and the exclusion or perceived exclusion of a secret ballot vote. The card based certification (card check) portion of the act is very similar to the Bill 144, amendment to the Labour Relations Act in place here in Ontario.
From what I am reading (and correct me if I am wrong), what the act does, is to allow an avenue to circumvent the secret ballot vote if "the board finds the majority of the employees in a unit appropriate for bargianing"
then the board will not direct an election, but will impose certification.
The key problem with this format is defining what the "unit appropriate for bargianing" is. Again, in the industry that I work in, that unit is: "the employees who are working on the day that the application if filed with the labour board".
basically, if my company of 50 employees is salted, and the applicatino is filed on Friday, when only 10 people are working, then only those employees are considered to be
the appropriate unit for bargianing. If the majority of those employees (excluding owners, managers & supervisors) have signed cards (5+) then the labour board can/will impose certification without the use of a secret ballot vote.
5 people can certify a company of 50 without the use of a vote.
That is where I feel people may be under the impression that they are losing the right to a democratic vote.
To any union members out there. For once, listen and refer to non-union, impartial sources about EFCA. Check out George McGovern, a supporter of union, and hear his reservations about EFCA and your loss of a democratic ballot and the inviting in of an arbitrator who k nows nothing about your work or the compay involved.
Union or corporate sources will only give you their slant, and many union members are so blinded by their loyalty tpo the "brotherhood" they're unwilling to hear the truth.
I was apparently right. Union members DO check their brains in at the door of the union hall, leaving them incapable of using their reasoning abilities to see ANY faults in unions.
They even ignore the advice of George McGovern speaking out against EFCA because, to them, their union can do no wrong. Plus, it's a "brotherhood", which sound more like the Mafia then workers capable of making independent decisions without the "nanny state" union holding their hand.
Question for you.How will the EFCA take away ANY minute portion of democracy when it is passed compared to today's process?
My reasoning for support of the EFCA is a result of the answer to the question. I know what the EFCA is and how the current process is flawed.Had you seriously wanted to discuss the effects of the EFCA you'd have done your homework.You haven't. All you want to do is whine and snivel about how horrible Unions are.
I can make TWO phone calls and on the following day, there will be a group of highly skilled workers (who may or may not have worked with each other before) ready to put up a building anywhere in North America.
I don't have any more time to waste on you.A Union paycheck raised you.Unions also kept you from working to help put food on the table so you could finish school.Union teachers taught you.Union Firefighters are the ones who will put the fire out, or, help you if you have a heart attack.
If you'd support someone coming to you in a political election with a ballot and telling you which way to vote, you'd obviously love EFCA.
It does away with the secret ballot, merely requiring a majority to check off for a union (no secret ballot involved), as well as requiring binding govt arbitration, using arbitrators knowing nothing about the business or unions involved.
Your support for EFCA is based on what the union tells you is "right: for you.
keep your job when you have a disagreement with management, get you raises, fair pay, not working 16 hours for 2 dollars a hour. if it wasnt for unions 12 year olds would be doing the work.
And the minimum wage would be $2.15/hr. Unions made this country great; look at the economy from, 1940-1973 and the economy since then. You pay people more and they will spend more.
honestly i am over paid for what i do. i happen to work for a machine shop that is in the same town. they employ over 500people and are expanding everyday. i have worked there for 4 years. anytime i have felt as though my supervisor has not done as needed the presidents office door is always open. they even give you his cell phone number when they hire you. and yes he even answers it at 3 in the morning. there was a time and place for unions. it just isnt now.
yes i was incorrect about the osha thing my appologies. but my original post was "what can a union do for me that i can not do for myself". i have not insulted anybody. i only asked to be sold on the idea of having a union where i work and i have not been given one bonus over a union. sure if a union was in there i "might" make more but i would end up payning it in dues.
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"It does away with the secret ballot"
Simpleton - there is NO secret ballot in place right now! With the EFCA, a secret ballot IS ADDED to the process after the percentage is present to vote on becoming Signatory ! Now go shuffle some papers! Good-bye
"Teachers actually DO something. They don't shuffle around papers that contain numbers showing OTHER peoples' work. "
This shows how isolated some unions are from the real world with real workers. They think they're the only ones doing all the work when in reality, unions only create a disincentive to be productive. When one works for a union and not a company, there's no loyalty to the company's product, only pleasing the union officers is what counts.
You obviously disagree with George McGovern. Or are discouraged that any liberal could find anything wrong with EFCA.
The union boat will eventually sink beneath the waves and everyone aboard will be linking arms singing "Happy Days are Here Again" or "Solidarity Forever", oblivious to their erroneous choices that brought them to that point.
I am proud that I'm able to work for a company that values desicion-making and doesn't have you turning the same wrench year after year.
Typical union mentality. Even when union friend George McGovern expresses concerns about EFCA, many union members band together and go down with the sinking ship (union-made, no doubt the reason it's sinking).
You know, a lot of union members work in government with "paper-pushing" jobs. Do construction workers look down their noses at them, too? Or does any union job require the use of one's brains?
It's obvious you have nothing constructive to say, or, debate. I hope your nonunion "Corporate stapling safety" courses are helpful.That kind of training is invaluable in the Global Economy. LMFAO
Carnaco-I honestly think you're full of BS. You won't share the name of this imaginary heaven where you supposedly push papers. My 1st comment to you was that I thought it was great to have an employer who looks after their workers. You just want to ramble on about how horrible you think Unions are and lie about the EFCA. Dishonesty doesn't impress me. Enjoy your paper pushing job. You really have nothing to argue and are a waste of time.
I find it interesting that you go on and on about the glories of those glorious union workers earning heavenly benefits and pay through the sweat of their brow, thanks to an endless supply of dues members will no longer see. You then ridicule me for using my brain at a job paying far more than a union drone's, as if one has to sweat to have the job count.
By that measure, union teachers are idiots to you.
You can carp about where I work. I'm just thankful that unions never got there 1st.
Union membership has given you free time to spell check posts, I see. What a waste of all the sweat that former union "brothers and sisters" put out, all for you.
Care to discuss "paper-shuffling" jobs that are union? Or are those reserved only for those with degrees and the freedom to make decisions on the job that won't somehow violate union rules?
No word on your thoughts on McGovern's comments about EFCA. Sure, he supports unions. Not EFCA.
Tell me how that's a monopoly, Archimedes. It shows an inability of nonunion contractors to be able to handle big jobs. Our Union has over 100 years of experience. Nobody's handcuffing nonunion employers to not put in a bid on big jobs. That's not a monopoly. Now go grab your crayons and finish your Dora the Explorer coloring book.
IWLocal8 --If you want to hear what liberal icon and friend of labor George McGovern has to say about card check, go to this video--"George McGovern on the Employee Free Choice Act".
The sad thing is, the union blinders you're wearing only obscure the truth about EFCA. By the time you find out the truth from unbiased sources, you'll have lost democracy in the workplace.
Thankfully, though, even the Democrats are showing 2nd thoughts about it. Now, to work for a Republican administration so more right-to-work laws are in place, offering people a true choice, good wages and not having to pay through the nose to the unions.
Actually Arlen Spector recently signed on.When Al Franken gets seated, that'll be another one. Momentum is on the good guys' side.Regardless of what you think, it does allow for secret ballots.
Maybe you should look up what the word monopoly means. Seeing as Unions make up only 12% of the US workforce, how can a 12% share hold a monopoly? Also, a monopoly dictates what the price will be. Our wages are negotiated with Management. You really have no clue and are pretty much a waste of time.
"There's no question that unions have done much good for this country. Their tenacious efforts have benefited millions of workers and helped build a strong middle class. They gave workers a new voice and pushed for laws that protect individuals from unfair treatment."
"The Employee Free Choice Act is still alive, and George McGovern still isn't fooled.
Kill it before it gets to be law, he pleaded the other day."
This was from the Pittsburgh Tribune Review on May 10. Pittsburg, I seem to recall, has had a little bit to do with steel and their unions in the past.
You might read more than just the union-printed handouts meant to get the troops fired up before they take away your right to a secret ballot.
Seeing as you don't really work, your opinion is down to zero. Let the people who actually DO the work decide whether or not they want a Union. The EFCA is all about democracy in action. Secret ballots ARE allowed. Brush up on the process and get your facts straight. Like I said - even Fox admitted it.
"Be careful not to get any paper cuts - they can be pretty nasty. LMAO No wonder why you're anti-Union. You're afraid of work. "
Apparently, union people have been under the illusion for years that the only way people get their work done is by muscle power. Believe it or not, many workers actually use their brains more than their muscles to get their work done. But since union workers check their brains at the door of the union hall, they might not be clear on that.
Now you're really proving that you don't have a clue. You're just scared that the WORKERS will get better pay than someone who shuffles papers. You can also tell the teachers that because they belong to a Union, they aren't intelligent. LMAO
You've been the one pushing the benefits of union people sweating for their pay. Sadly, many teachers want nothing to do with a union but have no say in the matter. And even union members who might be having 2nd thoughts could well find their voice muted as a result of EFCA.
Union friend George McGovern has even said it's a bad law and needs to be put out of its misery;.
Your lack of class shows you're right where you belong. Maybe you should tell the hundreds on the waiting list to get in our Apprenticeship what a mistake they're making.
LOL You people will be out on your ass losing your job and THEN you would be LOVING to have a union. Good luck....But dont eb stupid..just SEE who is behind the National Right to Work Foundations...Thats all it takes to see why they are "defending" the workers. Dont be an idiot
And you work where? Don't worry, you can stop fortifying your warehouse. I just want to see what kind of info I can get on it and if there was one union warehouse that didn't perform. Time to check facts.
Not weak-minded. You join a union and pretty much lose any initiative or desire to help the company improve. It's all about making sure the union stays entrenched.
And I doubt even you would think there's just one company that had to close down a union warehouse due to poor performance. Non-union employees have more at stake in the company, not the union, and thus are more willing to see the company succeed through competent and happy workers.
Sorry - you're wrong. If we don't help EVERY contractor make money, they'll go out of business. There goes our paychecks. Maybe your dad had a bad attitude and didn't bust his ass, but, in our Union, the slugs don't work - especially when work is slow. You've been proven wrong about nonunion contractors being as capable as Union ones, now, how about sharing the name of this great nonunion company you work for? Don't you have pride about your employer? LMAO
Too bad you can't let non-union workers do the same too. But then, the union bosses need those dues money to live the lifestyle to which they've become accustomed. In addition to throwing cash at Democratic politicians who help them do away with secret ballot elections.
I'm proud that my company is non-union. And to keep it that way, I don't mention it in public postings where union leeches think they have one more place they can cause trouble.
We'll continue to work for our company, not a union, and continue to receive great wages and benefits, all without having to pay through the nose to a union.
And we also answer to the people we work for, discussing our progress and how we can help ourselves and the company, without 1st getting the ok from a union rep.
The right to work at a non-union is wonderful. What a pity so many are forced to work for unions.
Yeah, it's a pity that Union workers get 30% better wages than nonunion ones. It's also a shame that every nonunion worker doesn't appreciate the 40 hour work week that Unions got for them.
I'm one of the "Union bosses". I drive a 1999 Ford Taurus. I put in a 40 hour week like everybody else in our Union - on a job site busting my ass. You don't mention where you work because it's an imaginary place, or, you greatly exaggerate the conditions. Do some homework on EFCA - you're spreading lies.
IWLocal8--"I don't work for a corporation, and, I didn't get any help from one."
Is this the way union members feel? That they don't work for a corporation?
Perhaps if union members felt they had a vested interest in a corporation, not just a union to whom they pay dues, they might take a 2nd look at non-union workers in similar jobs with excellent benefits, able to cross-train and be rewarded for excellence, or punished for slacking. Cookie-cutter contracts give a false sense of security.
Sorry, our Union trains us to be the best at our Trade - period. "You're only as good as your last day of work". We fully realize that our livliehood depends on us making big money for our Contractor. We have to blow away any deadlines and make sure he gets the best product available so that we can continue to work. It's obvious you're just out to bash Unions without answering any questions. Enjoy life in your warehouse.
Obviously someone who's grown up beholden to the union, thinking that no corporation can provide the "quality" of training a corporation can.
Live in your dream world while others get to choose the job they love without paying to get in the door.
Talk about bashing unions. You have little good to say about corporations, seeming to think they're out to rip off the workers 1st and consumers 2nd and the only sanctimoniusly pure entity protecting everyone is the union. Hogwash!!!
Must make you proud to see democracy being removed from union organizations via the card check proposals. One would think that unions could convince people to joing a union based on its merits rather than using a system so obviously meant to increase union membership, which has thankfully been on the decline.
So much for what was once called one man one vote. If the unions can't get people to go their way with the secret ballot, get the Dems to fix it for them.
Actually, I do believe that (provided you're telling the truth) I had good things to say about where you worked. Nonunion contractors CAN'T provide the training that we get.
What's the neam of the company you work for? I'd think you'd be proud to share the name.
You being brainwashed by the unions into thinking they have nothing but the best intentions of workers at heart and corporations are filthy, dirty things that only want to suck poor working-class slobs to death, would know who's adept in that field.
And since our company has had its share of agitators trying to convince people that a union could give them more (it can't), you can wonder about my company.
Put it this way. Unions are NOT the answer for every single worker.
Your asking me about retractable roof stadiums is like me asking you about what company makes the best french fries. You expect everyone to know about retractable roof stadiums?
As for my company, thank you, but we've had our share of problems with agitators in the past who think all the world should be unionized.
We're an international company with very few union jobs, and doing extremely well as a result.
I'll tell you the answer. NO nonunion company has even the ability to put up a stadium, let alone one with a retractable roof. I'm not asking about the best anything. (which would be an opinion) I'm pointing out a FACT.
I work for Ironworkers' Local 8. I'm proud of it. Your answer tells me how you feel about where you work. Enjoy your warehouse. If work gets slow in Milwaukee, I can go work anywhere in the US. If your job gets cut, you're SOL.
I work in our company's headquarters and can be relocated anyplace in the world I choose.
I answer the way I do because I know the propensity of unions to think they need to push their way into every workplace, under the illusion that the workers would be unhappy without them.
Thank God for the many non-union companies that provide good jobs, wages and benefits. The Democrats are stuck with the unions. Their attempt to do away with workplace democracy is a chilling reminder of that.
Funny how in non union states, the rate of pay is lower, the rate of on the job injury is more and the cases of workplace discrimination are higher. LOL Yeah...Thank God. As for your "democracy", keep in mind that the elections to unionize are controlled by managment..they can delay the vote (by years in many places), they intimidate the members, and they even fire the ones who called for the election. Dont be an idiot...look into these things before you open your mouth
Yes...as we have seen over the past few years..the corporations are CERTAINLY not greddy filthy dirty things! LOL! When they fire you from your job with no just cause,..we will talk again
Unions have historically been a leading force for Democracy and Human Rights. The history on that, is crystal clear. That's exactly why such enormous efforts have been undertaken in the United States in a relentless and a self-conscious Class War to undermine and destroy them. The basic method of this successful Anti-Union War, was illegally firing thousands of workers for exercising their rights to organize. Management tried to undermine our rights under The Wagner Act, or Labor Relations Act.
twenty years ago unions represented 20% of working america now unions only represent a little over 7%. Coincidence i think not! the unions pit the employees against there employers and that is always a recipe for disaster. have'nt we learned anything from the Detroit auto industry look at how the unions had a part in screwing that up.
Who flies around in private jets, the Union workers? Look at how stagnant workers' wages have been the last few decades. Compare that to the execs' wages.(don't forget to add in bonuses and perks) Tell me who's screwing who. Also, Unions make up about 12%, not 7%.
Some execs are paid millions of dollars a year in an actual salary or through other benefits. That means their time is very valuable (expensive). Do you really want someone earning thousands of dollars an hour wasting his time sitting in an airport? As a shareholder, I don't, and the company exists to make money for the people who own it. Not to provide jobs for everyone.
LMAO You're too young to even have had to worry about feeding a family let alone try to talk about owning shares! Are you in the dorms, or, still under mommy and daddy's roof?
Actually, my degree is in finance and I do my own investing so I do know a thing or two about owning shares and how a company works. I'd go as far to say that I know a hell of a lot more about it than you. You can keep laughing though because I'm sure you know how to calculate a firms weighted cost of capital or read a balance sheet.
Of course if my previous post contained any information that wasn't true I'd love to hear about it.
You invest with your parents' money, or do you have a job at JimmyJohn's delivering subs? Having a BA in Business, I'd go so far as to say you're the one who should stay in school. If you think anyone is worth millions, you're in the wrong field.
Okay Mr. Finance. How much does it cost to operate/maintain a private jet? In this day and age, aren't there more cost effective ways to meet? I'm not against anyone making money, but, shouldn't those who actually do the work be allowed to take care of their families? (without needing to have 3 or 4 jobs)
It depends on weather the company actually owns the jet or they buy hours in a jet via fractional ownership. But yes, it is very expensive and in this sort of economic climate it's something that should be used VERY VERY sparingly.
As far as "average" workers are concerned I would say that their compensation should depend on the value of their labor. Guys like steel workers who are highly trained and experienced should rightfully demand a high wage.
It's in a firms best interest in most cases to hire and retain quality workers who will produce a quality product and make that firm a lot of money for its owners. This is what happens at well run companies.
I'm definitly not saying that no one should be in unions but I don't think it's fair to force workers to join. Everyone should be free to choose.
I agree. Nobody should be forced to join a Union. The Employee Free Choice Act is all about letting workers vote to decide. Whenever you hear "right to work" you're listening to groups supported by nonunion companies. In the case of the Trades, it's usually the ABC (associated building contracters - which ironically is the antiunion's union) Secret ballots ARE allowed. The EFCA is pure democracy.
Right to work means that regardless of what your fellow employees want you can decide for yourself weather or not you would like to join the union or not. Pure democracy is another name for mob rule. That's why our government is a republic.
"No..right to work in fact means that the union members pay for the negotiated benefits and the scabs get the same representation for free "
I'm with the scabs on that one. Better still, I'm with those at non-union firms who deal with management on their own and are rewarded or docked accordingly for work that's better or worse than others, rather than a one-size-fits-all contract.
Costs at union firms go up when the company can't warn & then fire non-productive workers.
"People call the current National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) election system a secret ballot election—but in fact it's not like any democratic election held anywhere else in our society. It's really a management-controlled election process because corporations have all the power. They control the information workers can receive and routinely poison the process by intimidating, harassing, coercing and even firing people who try to organize unions."(source afl-cio)
From what I read, the process starts with the card check process, and if they get a certain percent of the workers to sign cards management can elect to have an election (secret ballot) a few weeks later or recognize the union as is. If a majority of workers votes for the union, management is forced to recognize the union as the collective bargaining unit for the workers.
A corporation can't force you to do anything without the help of the government so they don't have all the power.
The past 8 years have been all about helping corporations by the government. When they run wild, we can see where it leads. We need to keep jobs in the US, and, see that those jobs are able to support our families.
What the EFCA act does is also speed up the vote on whether ot not to form a Union. Currently, the employer can drag his feet and stall if there's enough interest to organize. The best way to keep an unwanted Union out is to take care of the workers. Unions weren't created as a Social Club. People died for 40 hr weeks and safe working conditions.
well at dana corp auburn hills,mi,the plant ,manager and company reps told the employee's you join the UAW UNION you will pick up new work from the big three, the employee's was scare, so the union organizer's of UAW LOCAL 771 would tell them lieds about the unions, never would protected the good employee's just the lazy, thugs,goons, the union chairperson would threaten some employee's,regardless what you do you are guilty willn't be protected by the union president, and dana managerment,
EFCA would simply add a fourth choice for workers seeking to form a union. The legislation would require the NLRB to certify a union representative if a majority -- more than half -- of workers sign authorization cards in favor of the union.
It's pure democracy. It also keeps employers from dragging their feet and getting a vote taken. Most importantly, it keeps the workers from getting fired for trying to better their conditions.
3) By NLRB-ordered recognition: As a last resort, the NLRB can order an employer who has engaged in unfair labor practices that make a fair election unlikely to recognize a labor union if a majority of employees have signed authorization cards in favor of the union. EFCA does not change this process.
When wages in America are equal to those in Mexico and Haiti, the "Right To Work" thugs will have accomplished their mission.
GL0BEmaster 2 weeks ago
if unions were good for the people then they would not need card check!!
19independentminded6 2 months ago
There was a time when labor unions were necessary. For all the good they once did they now cause destruction of economic value for both their members and for the organizations they once organized.
The time of the union is past. Right to work!
SirKnightErrant 4 months ago in playlist Abusive Union Thugs 2
You union thugs are welcome to my house anytime you please. When you get there, I'll invite you in, then, I will put you on the floor on your knees with a 357 to your fucking head til you shit your pants, then I'll let you go - the first time. The next time, if your that stupid, you'll leave my house in a body bag.
mytubes1962 4 months ago
@mytubes1962 Thats exactly what will happen at my place. If you come on my property you will be deemed a physical threat and I will not hesitate to shoot your asses. I won't kill you, but I will maim you for life so that you will never forget your thug mentality!
Stiffroot 4 months ago
@utube917
you obviously do not understand anything about large corporations and what actually goes on. I read quite a few people spouting off at the mouth that have never "lived it".
fire those grenades from your moms comfy basement in suburbia. I can spot you from a mile away.
PositivelyBored 9 months ago
I can't believe people actually believe corporate weasels like this guy speaking.
NO ONE FORCES ANYONE TO GO UNION. UNIONS REPRESENT 10% OF AMERICAN JOBS. THERE ARE ANOTHER 90% OUT THERE, NO ONE IS FORCING ANYONE TO WORK IN A UNION ENVIRONMENT!!!
PositivelyBored 9 months ago
i cant beleive people are stupid enough to beleive this bullshit... unions are the only thing telling big corporations that they cant treat workers like slaves...
people need to wake the fuck up
MindzEnt 9 months ago
I just worked at a job and I'm non union but everyone else on the job was union and I was there 4 months and did not have any problems and was also very impressed with the quality and efficiency of the union workers, I have never worked union but with the way alot of employers treat workers I can see why there is a need for unions, most people that are against them have a love for the wealthy or have a money stake at bad mouthing unions. Unions are needed in some places.
s46d45m17 10 months ago
Those people will more than likely be working long after your Union jobs are long gone .You dont negotiate you bully.Job banks are a good example ,and a good example of why you are running down and running out big business .Hell foreign companies are buying us up.That is wrong and that can be and will be laid at YOUR union feet.Just try to pull that shit on me you wont like it
truckdawg43 11 months ago
Anyone who would put their trust in a company to "do the right thing" and give up the chance to negotiate wages and benefits..... Deserves what they get; lower wages, inferior benefits, and working without any security in your job. I'll never understand the mentality of these company ass kissers.
Mamoulian67 1 year ago
Awesome....... To see middle class workers campaigning for corporate greed, and cutting their own throat by giving up their ability to negotiate their wages ..... What idiots.
Mamoulian67 1 year ago
@Mamoulian67
I wouldn't be so hard on the middle class. It's just that they tend to be so individualistic and from so many different cultural backgrounds, that organizing office workers is like trying to herd cats :-/
logik316 11 months ago
Down the road you will wish you had a union just like me when things start getting taken away from you, at one time I made better than the union as far as wages and benefits go but now in the last 5 years I have watched wages stay stagnant and benefits loosing ground while the union workers enjoy better wages and benefits than me, It's getting bad all over and it is a employers market right now.
s46d45m17 1 year ago
@s46d45m17 BS...unions have done nothing for the people I know. Teamsters is corrupt and do nothing for TRUE workers and IBEW 135 lied to ALL it's due paying members when they shipped our jobs to Mexico;while retaining their union at the same building using the same equipment,doing the same jobs for BMG.
LIES and Intimidation.....the qualities of unions.
linwooddeaton 10 months ago
@linwooddeaton I used to be a member of IBEW. In the divisions I worked for(4 of them over the years), a diligent few picked up the slack for the rest. Laziness & ineptitude were rewarded with protection, while work ethic & competence were punished with the worst of projects. We never complained about getting the toughest jobs. We knew the reason: No one else was able.
I'm just glad to be out of that union mess where the worst are rewarded by being carried by the best & union reps cash in
shkunk1 6 months ago
The Islamo Stalinist union bosses feel well protected by the emperor in the White House
RobertRobls 1 year ago
Right to Work for minimum wage, ya that sounds sweet
Dwoodward47 1 year ago
@Dwoodward47 Get an education
mack083184 1 year ago
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@utube917 thank you i appreciate it
superman7052 1 year ago
@utube917 thank you i appreciate it
superman7052 1 year ago
@utube917 You are a loser, liar, and anti-American. Every DAY of the week Americans loose their jobs to immigrants. No matter what the occupation. Immigrants = lower wages. You act like the rest of humanity doesn't know this. What a jerk.
GREATWHITE2 1 year ago
This video is a SHAM!!! "Right to Work" means lower wages, health care, retirement, etc. for workers while the "big shots" (CEO's, owners, stockholders, etc.) make all of the money!!!! How does one know that these people weren't paid to say what they did??!! Besides, the more money an American worker makes, the more taxes they'll GLADLY pay!!!! This video is a FAKE!! PERIOD.
GREATWHITE2 1 year ago
They greatest trick devil worshipping Republican oligarchs ever came up with is getting these clearly poorly educated (and whipped) slave wage workers to support their own exploitation.
SupernautG 1 year ago
@SupernautG No the greatest trick was unions convincing American that they weren't communist.
timbosforporn 1 year ago
@timbosforporn Thanks for proving to all that Republicans are idiots by proving you never heard of the fact that a trade union called "Solidarity" was what freed Poland from Communism.
SupernautG 1 year ago
@SupernautG Thank you for pointing that out but did I say that all unions were communist. They just happen to be a breeding ground for 'workers of the world unite' totalitarianism.
timbosforporn 1 year ago
@timbosforporn yes you and the GOP right wing idiots imply Unions are "commies" and "socialsts" when they are actually a defense against the power of the govt. That is why the Commies and the Nazis BANNED independed trade unions, you idiots.
SupernautG 1 year ago 2
@SupernautG They actually banned everything or did you not read that part?
timbosforporn 1 year ago 3
@timbosforporn The Commies and Nazis forced trade unions to shut down and created a govt run trade union. Independent trade unions are a threat to totalitarian and authoritarian govts and that makes the Republican nuts that hate unions allies of totalitarians.
SupernautG 1 year ago
@SupernautG
Very informative. Organized labor in the US is really nothing more than an outgrowth of one's right to freedom of assembly. So basically what the right wingnuts are saying is that the Constitution itself is communist, LOL.
logik316 11 months ago
@logik316 Unions embody freedom of assembly, freedom of association, freedom of speech, the right to petition for redresses.
SupernautG 11 months ago
@SupernautG You can do that without paying someone....That's true freedom...
linwooddeaton 10 months ago
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@linwooddeaton "Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost." -- RONALD REAGAN See Reagan say it @ /watch?v=HsHXJr8tqP0&feature=p layer_embedded
SupernautG 10 months ago
"bad words" you poor sad clown. You really must be some kind of tragic living joke. All of your stupid worthless posts mumbling about immigints and unions. NO I DON'T GET THE PICTURE because you're a mindless incoherent dunce.
Your disgustingly ignorant and silly hysteria about unions is actually funny, you dull uneducated penniless simpleton.
nilbud 2 years ago
osha doesnt do anything. that agency is a joke. only time you see them is when someone dies at work. right to work should be called right to be fired for what ever the company says. more unions=less unemployment
morrowshere 2 years ago
HEY UNION ASSHOLES GUESS WHO IS WINNING THIS FUCKING DEBATE: The right to work people, or the fucking unions that represent LESS THAN EIGHT FUCKING PERCENT OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
THere is a fucking reason so few people are in unions or want to be in unions.
masanf 2 years ago
@masanf Then why are people like yourself so afraid of the EFCA? LOL
IWLocal8 2 years ago
Because they're fucking morons like you, you penniless cunt.
nilbud 2 years ago
Unions are run by thuggish assholes. Just look at the recent stories about a handicapped guy being beaten by SEIU thugs, or read about townhalls where union members have tried to intimidate people into silence. And everyone here has read countless stories about union corruption and organized crime being tied to unions. UNIONS ARE NOTHING BUT COLLECTIONS OF CORRUPT THUGS WHO WANT MORE PEOPLE TO PAY TAXES, OOPS I MEAN DUES, SO THEY CAN GET RICH.
masanf 2 years ago
@masanf These "town hall meetings" get paid opposition to disrupt them! LMAO You have to be among the most uninformed person I've run across. Union leaders are elected unlike the CEOs whose salaries have multiplied at an obscene rate compared to that of those who actually do the work. I know where every dime of my dues gets spent - can the same be said of the huge corporations (who support groups like NRTW) who got taxpayer bailout money?
IWLocal8 2 years ago
@IWLocal8 pleas tell me, where does every cent of your dues get spent? oh and BTW the UAW got a tax payer bailout, remember? thats what the automakers needed to stay in business.
superman7052 1 year ago
@superman7052 Come on over and look at the monthly readout that I get on every check that gets written and cashed. What did Ford get in the bailout? Who flew in the private jets to DC? Not Union reps, but the greedy execs. LOL
IWLocal8 1 year ago
@IWLocal8 An exclusivity deal with the GSA where the GSA bought Ford's Mazda6 hybrids built in Mexico.
WhiteHatBobby 1 year ago
Your mother has a thuggish asshole. You are nothing, a waste of skin turning food into shit and boring the fuck out of the real people. Don't spout your lies again you fucking stupid pig.
nilbud 2 years ago
Is there any organization in the United States more corrupt and willing to use intimidation, beatings and thuggery than unions? You can't turn on the TV or read a newspaper in a given month without seeing the story of union thugs beating people or union bosses being arrested and tried for corruption.
Unions are a fucking joke, and the asshole posters on here trying to force unions on people fucking prove it. If unions are so fucking great, let people vote for them with a secret ballot.
masanf 2 years ago 2
@masanf How about the US Government under Bush?How about the Republican'ts who outsource US jobs? How about the insurance companies who rape and pimp out US citizens - taking money to turn people down for medical care? Get a clue!
IWLocal8 2 years ago
These unions have money running out of their ears. When are people going to get it that this is a racket. It was good once, until it became corrupted. It's as bad as our government.
judysims 2 years ago 12
That's great that people are out here talking about how they were victimized and some of you are insulting their appearance and making other vulgar comments. What proof do you have that ALL these random people are just making this up to be on youtube? How fulfilled their lives must be now that they are on the internet. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they are less than human. Apox on your houses!
slackergirl22 2 years ago
hey Mix go fuck yourself
rickbar123 2 years ago
almost two years ago i was escorted out of the building with a drum up charges, and fired,this happen at dana corp auburn hills,mi UAW LOCAL 771 after being employed by this company for over 40 yrs, sented complaints to mark mix never received a answer back just want donitions requests, a woman threaten me, attack a employee rip his shirt off this back, and stabbed him manys was allow to keep her job, what was the excuse by company having her arrested and put in jail, she will do it again !
immagyar 2 years ago
Any indication that the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation is interested in anything BUT preventing unions from existing? If that is so, it would be no wonder that you got NO help from them.
richardhutnik 2 years ago
wow ... i want my 4;11 seconds back.. this guy will grab anybody that has some hair ,,,he should give some combs to these people !!!
focker009 2 years ago
If you don't vote Union, Tony and Vinny will suggest that you and your family reconsider your opposition to the Union.
Ingenue001 2 years ago 2
Care to tell the world what you do for a living? Maybe some scabs can come in and do your job for half the money, because you don't have a contract in place to prevent this from happening.
richardhutnik 2 years ago
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You want to talk about intimidation. Come to Florida and work here in this right to work state and see how business management intimidates workers. You would not beleive it. I mean yuou really would not believe it if I told you.
just4funzees 2 years ago
I have been reading a fair amount regarding the EFCA and the exclusion or perceived exclusion of a secret ballot vote. The card based certification (card check) portion of the act is very similar to the Bill 144, amendment to the Labour Relations Act in place here in Ontario.
From what I am reading (and correct me if I am wrong), what the act does, is to allow an avenue to circumvent the secret ballot vote if "the board finds the majority of the employees in a unit appropriate for bargianing"
thompsfloyd 2 years ago
con't
then the board will not direct an election, but will impose certification.
The key problem with this format is defining what the "unit appropriate for bargianing" is. Again, in the industry that I work in, that unit is: "the employees who are working on the day that the application if filed with the labour board".
basically, if my company of 50 employees is salted, and the applicatino is filed on Friday, when only 10 people are working, then only those employees are considered to be
thompsfloyd 2 years ago
the appropriate unit for bargianing. If the majority of those employees (excluding owners, managers & supervisors) have signed cards (5+) then the labour board can/will impose certification without the use of a secret ballot vote.
5 people can certify a company of 50 without the use of a vote.
That is where I feel people may be under the impression that they are losing the right to a democratic vote.
thompsfloyd 2 years ago
To any union members out there. For once, listen and refer to non-union, impartial sources about EFCA. Check out George McGovern, a supporter of union, and hear his reservations about EFCA and your loss of a democratic ballot and the inviting in of an arbitrator who k nows nothing about your work or the compay involved.
Union or corporate sources will only give you their slant, and many union members are so blinded by their loyalty tpo the "brotherhood" they're unwilling to hear the truth.
carnaco2 2 years ago
I was apparently right. Union members DO check their brains in at the door of the union hall, leaving them incapable of using their reasoning abilities to see ANY faults in unions.
They even ignore the advice of George McGovern speaking out against EFCA because, to them, their union can do no wrong. Plus, it's a "brotherhood", which sound more like the Mafia then workers capable of making independent decisions without the "nanny state" union holding their hand.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Question for you.How will the EFCA take away ANY minute portion of democracy when it is passed compared to today's process?
My reasoning for support of the EFCA is a result of the answer to the question. I know what the EFCA is and how the current process is flawed.Had you seriously wanted to discuss the effects of the EFCA you'd have done your homework.You haven't. All you want to do is whine and snivel about how horrible Unions are.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
I can make TWO phone calls and on the following day, there will be a group of highly skilled workers (who may or may not have worked with each other before) ready to put up a building anywhere in North America.
I don't have any more time to waste on you.A Union paycheck raised you.Unions also kept you from working to help put food on the table so you could finish school.Union teachers taught you.Union Firefighters are the ones who will put the fire out, or, help you if you have a heart attack.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
If you'd support someone coming to you in a political election with a ballot and telling you which way to vote, you'd obviously love EFCA.
It does away with the secret ballot, merely requiring a majority to check off for a union (no secret ballot involved), as well as requiring binding govt arbitration, using arbitrators knowing nothing about the business or unions involved.
Your support for EFCA is based on what the union tells you is "right: for you.
carnaco2 2 years ago
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Question for you.How will the EFCA take away ANY minute portion of democracy when it is passed compared to today's process?
IWLocal8 2 years ago
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Funny how a simple question is found to be so offensive. LMAO
IWLocal8 2 years ago
i have a question for you. what can a union do for me that i cant do for myself?
superman7052 2 years ago 2
keep your job when you have a disagreement with management, get you raises, fair pay, not working 16 hours for 2 dollars a hour. if it wasnt for unions 12 year olds would be doing the work.
morrowshere 2 years ago
doesnt osha take care of a lot of that. and oh i dont have to pay osha a dime.
superman7052 2 years ago
And the minimum wage would be $2.15/hr. Unions made this country great; look at the economy from, 1940-1973 and the economy since then. You pay people more and they will spend more.
wmichswingers 2 years ago
It can stop your boss from firing you after you train in your illegal Mexican replacement. You fucking ignorant dunce.
nilbud 2 years ago
honestly i am over paid for what i do. i happen to work for a machine shop that is in the same town. they employ over 500people and are expanding everyday. i have worked there for 4 years. anytime i have felt as though my supervisor has not done as needed the presidents office door is always open. they even give you his cell phone number when they hire you. and yes he even answers it at 3 in the morning. there was a time and place for unions. it just isnt now.
superman7052 2 years ago
yes i was incorrect about the osha thing my appologies. but my original post was "what can a union do for me that i can not do for myself". i have not insulted anybody. i only asked to be sold on the idea of having a union where i work and i have not been given one bonus over a union. sure if a union was in there i "might" make more but i would end up payning it in dues.
superman7052 2 years ago
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"It does away with the secret ballot"
Simpleton - there is NO secret ballot in place right now! With the EFCA, a secret ballot IS ADDED to the process after the percentage is present to vote on becoming Signatory ! Now go shuffle some papers! Good-bye
IWLocal8 2 years ago
"Teachers actually DO something. They don't shuffle around papers that contain numbers showing OTHER peoples' work. "
This shows how isolated some unions are from the real world with real workers. They think they're the only ones doing all the work when in reality, unions only create a disincentive to be productive. When one works for a union and not a company, there's no loyalty to the company's product, only pleasing the union officers is what counts.
carnaco2 2 years ago
You obviously have no pride in what you do. Your refusal to share a company name means you have no pride in your company.Sad.
Question for you.How will the EFCA take away ANY minute portion of democracy when it is passed compared to today's process?
IWLocal8 2 years ago
You obviously disagree with George McGovern. Or are discouraged that any liberal could find anything wrong with EFCA.
The union boat will eventually sink beneath the waves and everyone aboard will be linking arms singing "Happy Days are Here Again" or "Solidarity Forever", oblivious to their erroneous choices that brought them to that point.
I am proud that I'm able to work for a company that values desicion-making and doesn't have you turning the same wrench year after year.
carnaco2 2 years ago
I didn't think you had any reply...
Enjoy your paper pushing gig.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
Typical union mentality. Even when union friend George McGovern expresses concerns about EFCA, many union members band together and go down with the sinking ship (union-made, no doubt the reason it's sinking).
You know, a lot of union members work in government with "paper-pushing" jobs. Do construction workers look down their noses at them, too? Or does any union job require the use of one's brains?
carnaco2 2 years ago
...and...still no answers. LOL
It's obvious you have nothing constructive to say, or, debate. I hope your nonunion "Corporate stapling safety" courses are helpful.That kind of training is invaluable in the Global Economy. LMFAO
Ciao
IWLocal8 2 years ago
Carnaco-I honestly think you're full of BS. You won't share the name of this imaginary heaven where you supposedly push papers. My 1st comment to you was that I thought it was great to have an employer who looks after their workers. You just want to ramble on about how horrible you think Unions are and lie about the EFCA. Dishonesty doesn't impress me. Enjoy your paper pushing job. You really have nothing to argue and are a waste of time.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
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carnaco2 2 years ago
I find it interesting that you go on and on about the glories of those glorious union workers earning heavenly benefits and pay through the sweat of their brow, thanks to an endless supply of dues members will no longer see. You then ridicule me for using my brain at a job paying far more than a union drone's, as if one has to sweat to have the job count.
By that measure, union teachers are idiots to you.
You can carp about where I work. I'm just thankful that unions never got there 1st.
carnaco2 2 years ago
I'd bet pushing papers doesn't pay as well as building skyscrapers...
You won't even share a website of where you work. That shows a lot of pride./sarcasm
IWLocal8 2 years ago
So you DO think teacers are idiots. Sad.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Never said that - my sister is a PROUD Union teacher. I also brought up the fact that teachers were mostly Unionized.
And um, teacHers has the "h" in it. LMFAO
IWLocal8 2 years ago
"And um, teacHers has the "h" in it. LMFAO."
Union membership has given you free time to spell check posts, I see. What a waste of all the sweat that former union "brothers and sisters" put out, all for you.
Care to discuss "paper-shuffling" jobs that are union? Or are those reserved only for those with degrees and the freedom to make decisions on the job that won't somehow violate union rules?
No word on your thoughts on McGovern's comments about EFCA. Sure, he supports unions. Not EFCA.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Teachers actually DO something. They don't shuffle around papers that contain numbers showing OTHER peoples' work.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
Tell me how that's a monopoly, Archimedes. It shows an inability of nonunion contractors to be able to handle big jobs. Our Union has over 100 years of experience. Nobody's handcuffing nonunion employers to not put in a bid on big jobs. That's not a monopoly. Now go grab your crayons and finish your Dora the Explorer coloring book.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
IWLocal8 --If you want to hear what liberal icon and friend of labor George McGovern has to say about card check, go to this video--"George McGovern on the Employee Free Choice Act".
Doesn't paint a nice picture of the immoral law.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Immoral law? LMAO It's as immoral as Democracy itself!
Check out:
" Right-wing talking points on Free Choice Act crumble like an old cookie " on YouTube
IWLocal8 2 years ago
The sad thing is, the union blinders you're wearing only obscure the truth about EFCA. By the time you find out the truth from unbiased sources, you'll have lost democracy in the workplace.
Thankfully, though, even the Democrats are showing 2nd thoughts about it. Now, to work for a Republican administration so more right-to-work laws are in place, offering people a true choice, good wages and not having to pay through the nose to the unions.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Actually Arlen Spector recently signed on.When Al Franken gets seated, that'll be another one. Momentum is on the good guys' side.Regardless of what you think, it does allow for secret ballots.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
Down with Big government AND BIG UNIONS.
dyne313 2 years ago
Maybe you should look up what the word monopoly means. Seeing as Unions make up only 12% of the US workforce, how can a 12% share hold a monopoly? Also, a monopoly dictates what the price will be. Our wages are negotiated with Management. You really have no clue and are pretty much a waste of time.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
"Do some homework on EFCA - you're spreading lies."
I see where the Dems are having second thoughts on what it'll look like for them to sanction the removal of secret ballot elections.
As I've said, even union friend George McGovern has expressed reservations.
Sadly, unions feel they can't get anyone to support them unless they're forced to do it in an undemocratic fashion.
carnaco2 2 years ago
"There's no question that unions have done much good for this country. Their tenacious efforts have benefited millions of workers and helped build a strong middle class. They gave workers a new voice and pushed for laws that protect individuals from unfair treatment."
-George McGovern
IWLocal8 2 years ago
"The Employee Free Choice Act is still alive, and George McGovern still isn't fooled.
Kill it before it gets to be law, he pleaded the other day."
This was from the Pittsburgh Tribune Review on May 10. Pittsburg, I seem to recall, has had a little bit to do with steel and their unions in the past.
You might read more than just the union-printed handouts meant to get the troops fired up before they take away your right to a secret ballot.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Seeing as you don't really work, your opinion is down to zero. Let the people who actually DO the work decide whether or not they want a Union. The EFCA is all about democracy in action. Secret ballots ARE allowed. Brush up on the process and get your facts straight. Like I said - even Fox admitted it.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
" It's also a shame that every nonunion worker doesn't appreciate the 40 hour work week that Unions got for them. "
I'm quite satisfied with the 8 weeks yearly vacation granted me through no help of any union.
And a 40-hour work week doing the same repititive job year in year out doesn't compare with the variety in my job.
Thankfully, we don't have rules that prevent cross-training, so we aren't stuck in one routine constantly.
carnaco2 2 years ago
"So, you're a paper pusher? LMFAO"
Unions have apparently been told the only jobs they can aspire to require the sweat of their brows. Except for union bosses, that's probably true.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Be careful not to get any paper cuts - they can be pretty nasty. LMAO No wonder why you're anti-Union. You're afraid of work.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
"Be careful not to get any paper cuts - they can be pretty nasty. LMAO No wonder why you're anti-Union. You're afraid of work. "
Apparently, union people have been under the illusion for years that the only way people get their work done is by muscle power. Believe it or not, many workers actually use their brains more than their muscles to get their work done. But since union workers check their brains at the door of the union hall, they might not be clear on that.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Now you're really proving that you don't have a clue. You're just scared that the WORKERS will get better pay than someone who shuffles papers. You can also tell the teachers that because they belong to a Union, they aren't intelligent. LMAO
IWLocal8 2 years ago
You've been the one pushing the benefits of union people sweating for their pay. Sadly, many teachers want nothing to do with a union but have no say in the matter. And even union members who might be having 2nd thoughts could well find their voice muted as a result of EFCA.
Union friend George McGovern has even said it's a bad law and needs to be put out of its misery;.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Your lack of class shows you're right where you belong. Maybe you should tell the hundreds on the waiting list to get in our Apprenticeship what a mistake they're making.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
LOL You people will be out on your ass losing your job and THEN you would be LOVING to have a union. Good luck....But dont eb stupid..just SEE who is behind the National Right to Work Foundations...Thats all it takes to see why they are "defending" the workers. Dont be an idiot
FPiccioli 2 years ago
"LOL You people will be out on your ass losing your job and THEN you would be LOVING to have a union."
It would be a cold day in hell before I'd sign my soul over to a union, which is probably where they originate.
I'm thankful we have some right to work states where people don't have to pay a union to allow them to work for the company of their choice.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Thankfully, many workers are given a choice of working for a union or non-union company. Others, sadly, have no choice.
And dressing card check issues up as something to benefit the workers only works to give unions and the democrats a black eye.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Card check = vote - just like we elect a President. The EFCA is all written out - it's easy to see that you're spreading lies.
NOW,HOW ABOUT A COUPLE OF NAMES OF COMPANIES?
As proud as you are of the warehouse you work in, I'd think you'd be gushing with enthusiasm to tell the world! LOL
IWLocal8 2 years ago
You might try card check = NO SECRET BALLOT, and you'd be a bit more intellectually honest.
All you need is a majority of employers to sign for a union. BUT, they lose the right to a secret ballot elevction to vote the union in or out.
Even George McGovern, a staunch union supporter, has expressed serious reservations.
I doubt you'd want your right to a secret ballot for president of the U.S. taken away from you.
Unions obviously turn members into mindless drones.
carnaco2 2 years ago
"Unions obviously turn members into mindless drones." Just because your dad turned into one, (meaning it's in your DNA) doesn't make it so.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
It wasn't in dad's DNA. It was with the union's help.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Is your dad weak minded?
And you work where? Don't worry, you can stop fortifying your warehouse. I just want to see what kind of info I can get on it and if there was one union warehouse that didn't perform. Time to check facts.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
Not weak-minded. You join a union and pretty much lose any initiative or desire to help the company improve. It's all about making sure the union stays entrenched.
And I doubt even you would think there's just one company that had to close down a union warehouse due to poor performance. Non-union employees have more at stake in the company, not the union, and thus are more willing to see the company succeed through competent and happy workers.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Sorry - you're wrong. If we don't help EVERY contractor make money, they'll go out of business. There goes our paychecks. Maybe your dad had a bad attitude and didn't bust his ass, but, in our Union, the slugs don't work - especially when work is slow. You've been proven wrong about nonunion contractors being as capable as Union ones, now, how about sharing the name of this great nonunion company you work for? Don't you have pride about your employer? LMAO
IWLocal8 2 years ago
Too bad you can't let non-union workers do the same too. But then, the union bosses need those dues money to live the lifestyle to which they've become accustomed. In addition to throwing cash at Democratic politicians who help them do away with secret ballot elections.
I'm proud that my company is non-union. And to keep it that way, I don't mention it in public postings where union leeches think they have one more place they can cause trouble.
carnaco2 2 years ago
We'll continue to work for our company, not a union, and continue to receive great wages and benefits, all without having to pay through the nose to a union.
And we also answer to the people we work for, discussing our progress and how we can help ourselves and the company, without 1st getting the ok from a union rep.
The right to work at a non-union is wonderful. What a pity so many are forced to work for unions.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Yeah, it's a pity that Union workers get 30% better wages than nonunion ones. It's also a shame that every nonunion worker doesn't appreciate the 40 hour work week that Unions got for them.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
I'm one of the "Union bosses". I drive a 1999 Ford Taurus. I put in a 40 hour week like everybody else in our Union - on a job site busting my ass. You don't mention where you work because it's an imaginary place, or, you greatly exaggerate the conditions. Do some homework on EFCA - you're spreading lies.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
Hey People!Let's shut them down and take the 3rd party beggers to India.
MVL900 2 years ago
Who appointed the Labor Secretary who was married to an anti-Labor member of Congress?
I don't work for a corporation, and, I didn't get any help from one.
Now you can finish your Dora coloring book.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
IWLocal8--"I don't work for a corporation, and, I didn't get any help from one."
Is this the way union members feel? That they don't work for a corporation?
Perhaps if union members felt they had a vested interest in a corporation, not just a union to whom they pay dues, they might take a 2nd look at non-union workers in similar jobs with excellent benefits, able to cross-train and be rewarded for excellence, or punished for slacking. Cookie-cutter contracts give a false sense of security.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Sorry, our Union trains us to be the best at our Trade - period. "You're only as good as your last day of work". We fully realize that our livliehood depends on us making big money for our Contractor. We have to blow away any deadlines and make sure he gets the best product available so that we can continue to work. It's obvious you're just out to bash Unions without answering any questions. Enjoy life in your warehouse.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
Obviously someone who's grown up beholden to the union, thinking that no corporation can provide the "quality" of training a corporation can.
Live in your dream world while others get to choose the job they love without paying to get in the door.
Talk about bashing unions. You have little good to say about corporations, seeming to think they're out to rip off the workers 1st and consumers 2nd and the only sanctimoniusly pure entity protecting everyone is the union. Hogwash!!!
carnaco2 2 years ago
Must make you proud to see democracy being removed from union organizations via the card check proposals. One would think that unions could convince people to joing a union based on its merits rather than using a system so obviously meant to increase union membership, which has thankfully been on the decline.
So much for what was once called one man one vote. If the unions can't get people to go their way with the secret ballot, get the Dems to fix it for them.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Sorry, you're helping to spread a lie. The EFCA fully allows for a secret vote. Please get your facts straight.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
Actually, I do believe that (provided you're telling the truth) I had good things to say about where you worked. Nonunion contractors CAN'T provide the training that we get.
What's the neam of the company you work for? I'd think you'd be proud to share the name.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
" Nonunion contractors CAN'T provide the training that we get."
Unions love to think this, but it just isn't true. Anything to win the votes of the people so that unions can be certified.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Okay, name ONE nonunion contractor that can train it's workers to put up a retractable roof stadium.
What did you say the name of the company you work for is?
IWLocal8 2 years ago
You being brainwashed by the unions into thinking they have nothing but the best intentions of workers at heart and corporations are filthy, dirty things that only want to suck poor working-class slobs to death, would know who's adept in that field.
And since our company has had its share of agitators trying to convince people that a union could give them more (it can't), you can wonder about my company.
Put it this way. Unions are NOT the answer for every single worker.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Scroll back and read my replies. Is there some reason why you can't answer my questions?
Name one company that can train it's workers to safely build a retractable roof stadium.
What nonunion company do you work for, or, (as I suspect) are you making this all up?
IWLocal8 2 years ago
Your asking me about retractable roof stadiums is like me asking you about what company makes the best french fries. You expect everyone to know about retractable roof stadiums?
As for my company, thank you, but we've had our share of problems with agitators in the past who think all the world should be unionized.
We're an international company with very few union jobs, and doing extremely well as a result.
carnaco2 2 years ago
I'll tell you the answer. NO nonunion company has even the ability to put up a stadium, let alone one with a retractable roof. I'm not asking about the best anything. (which would be an opinion) I'm pointing out a FACT.
I work for Ironworkers' Local 8. I'm proud of it. Your answer tells me how you feel about where you work. Enjoy your warehouse. If work gets slow in Milwaukee, I can go work anywhere in the US. If your job gets cut, you're SOL.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
I work in our company's headquarters and can be relocated anyplace in the world I choose.
I answer the way I do because I know the propensity of unions to think they need to push their way into every workplace, under the illusion that the workers would be unhappy without them.
Thank God for the many non-union companies that provide good jobs, wages and benefits. The Democrats are stuck with the unions. Their attempt to do away with workplace democracy is a chilling reminder of that.
carnaco2 2 years ago
So, you're a paper pusher? LMFAO
IWLocal8 2 years ago
Funny how in non union states, the rate of pay is lower, the rate of on the job injury is more and the cases of workplace discrimination are higher. LOL Yeah...Thank God. As for your "democracy", keep in mind that the elections to unionize are controlled by managment..they can delay the vote (by years in many places), they intimidate the members, and they even fire the ones who called for the election. Dont be an idiot...look into these things before you open your mouth
FPiccioli 2 years ago
"Thank God. As for your "democracy", keep in mind that the elections to unionize are controlled by managment"
So the answer, of course, is to trash secret ballots? But that's union democracy, of course.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Yes...as we have seen over the past few years..the corporations are CERTAINLY not greddy filthy dirty things! LOL! When they fire you from your job with no just cause,..we will talk again
FPiccioli 2 years ago
Eat dog food then! Or follow the guy (wimp) with the thousand dollar suit who narrated this video. Does he represent the middle class?
Please!
LisaGlow 2 years ago
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Unions have historically been a leading force for Democracy and Human Rights. The history on that, is crystal clear. That's exactly why such enormous efforts have been undertaken in the United States in a relentless and a self-conscious Class War to undermine and destroy them. The basic method of this successful Anti-Union War, was illegally firing thousands of workers for exercising their rights to organize. Management tried to undermine our rights under The Wagner Act, or Labor Relations Act.
CosmicFork 2 years ago
twenty years ago unions represented 20% of working america now unions only represent a little over 7%. Coincidence i think not! the unions pit the employees against there employers and that is always a recipe for disaster. have'nt we learned anything from the Detroit auto industry look at how the unions had a part in screwing that up.
hbgd 2 years ago
Who flies around in private jets, the Union workers? Look at how stagnant workers' wages have been the last few decades. Compare that to the execs' wages.(don't forget to add in bonuses and perks) Tell me who's screwing who. Also, Unions make up about 12%, not 7%.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
Some execs are paid millions of dollars a year in an actual salary or through other benefits. That means their time is very valuable (expensive). Do you really want someone earning thousands of dollars an hour wasting his time sitting in an airport? As a shareholder, I don't, and the company exists to make money for the people who own it. Not to provide jobs for everyone.
forestgump18 2 years ago
LMAO You're too young to even have had to worry about feeding a family let alone try to talk about owning shares! Are you in the dorms, or, still under mommy and daddy's roof?
IWLocal8 2 years ago
Actually, my degree is in finance and I do my own investing so I do know a thing or two about owning shares and how a company works. I'd go as far to say that I know a hell of a lot more about it than you. You can keep laughing though because I'm sure you know how to calculate a firms weighted cost of capital or read a balance sheet.
Of course if my previous post contained any information that wasn't true I'd love to hear about it.
forestgump18 2 years ago
You invest with your parents' money, or do you have a job at JimmyJohn's delivering subs? Having a BA in Business, I'd go so far as to say you're the one who should stay in school. If you think anyone is worth millions, you're in the wrong field.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
Could you please point out what was wrong about executives needing to use their time wisely and shareholders owning a company.
forestgump18 2 years ago
Okay Mr. Finance. How much does it cost to operate/maintain a private jet? In this day and age, aren't there more cost effective ways to meet? I'm not against anyone making money, but, shouldn't those who actually do the work be allowed to take care of their families? (without needing to have 3 or 4 jobs)
IWLocal8 2 years ago
It depends on weather the company actually owns the jet or they buy hours in a jet via fractional ownership. But yes, it is very expensive and in this sort of economic climate it's something that should be used VERY VERY sparingly.
As far as "average" workers are concerned I would say that their compensation should depend on the value of their labor. Guys like steel workers who are highly trained and experienced should rightfully demand a high wage.
forestgump18 2 years ago
It's in a firms best interest in most cases to hire and retain quality workers who will produce a quality product and make that firm a lot of money for its owners. This is what happens at well run companies.
I'm definitly not saying that no one should be in unions but I don't think it's fair to force workers to join. Everyone should be free to choose.
forestgump18 2 years ago
I agree. Nobody should be forced to join a Union. The Employee Free Choice Act is all about letting workers vote to decide. Whenever you hear "right to work" you're listening to groups supported by nonunion companies. In the case of the Trades, it's usually the ABC (associated building contracters - which ironically is the antiunion's union) Secret ballots ARE allowed. The EFCA is pure democracy.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
Right to work means that regardless of what your fellow employees want you can decide for yourself weather or not you would like to join the union or not. Pure democracy is another name for mob rule. That's why our government is a republic.
forestgump18 2 years ago
Actually, our government is a Representative Democracy.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
A republic is a representative democracy.
forestgump18 2 years ago
You're absolutely right - don't know what I was reading.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
You are an illiterate moron.
LisaGlow 2 years ago
What an enlightened reply.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
No..right to work in fact means that the union members pay for the negotiated benefits and the scabs get the same representation for free
FPiccioli 2 years ago
"No..right to work in fact means that the union members pay for the negotiated benefits and the scabs get the same representation for free "
I'm with the scabs on that one. Better still, I'm with those at non-union firms who deal with management on their own and are rewarded or docked accordingly for work that's better or worse than others, rather than a one-size-fits-all contract.
Costs at union firms go up when the company can't warn & then fire non-productive workers.
carnaco2 2 years ago
Wasn't the change to a non secret ballot the whole point of EFCA? If it isn't, what would it be changing?
forestgump18 2 years ago
"People call the current National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) election system a secret ballot election—but in fact it's not like any democratic election held anywhere else in our society. It's really a management-controlled election process because corporations have all the power. They control the information workers can receive and routinely poison the process by intimidating, harassing, coercing and even firing people who try to organize unions."(source afl-cio)
IWLocal8 2 years ago
From what I read, the process starts with the card check process, and if they get a certain percent of the workers to sign cards management can elect to have an election (secret ballot) a few weeks later or recognize the union as is. If a majority of workers votes for the union, management is forced to recognize the union as the collective bargaining unit for the workers.
A corporation can't force you to do anything without the help of the government so they don't have all the power.
forestgump18 2 years ago
The past 8 years have been all about helping corporations by the government. When they run wild, we can see where it leads. We need to keep jobs in the US, and, see that those jobs are able to support our families.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
What the EFCA act does is also speed up the vote on whether ot not to form a Union. Currently, the employer can drag his feet and stall if there's enough interest to organize. The best way to keep an unwanted Union out is to take care of the workers. Unions weren't created as a Social Club. People died for 40 hr weeks and safe working conditions.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
well at dana corp auburn hills,mi,the plant ,manager and company reps told the employee's you join the UAW UNION you will pick up new work from the big three, the employee's was scare, so the union organizer's of UAW LOCAL 771 would tell them lieds about the unions, never would protected the good employee's just the lazy, thugs,goons, the union chairperson would threaten some employee's,regardless what you do you are guilty willn't be protected by the union president, and dana managerment,
immagyar 2 years ago
Did the Jesuits teach you anything at Marquette?
At least we can agree that the Bears really do suck.
forestgump18 2 years ago
LMFAO
IWLocal8 2 years ago
The Jesuits would support a union
FPiccioli 2 years ago
EFCA would simply add a fourth choice for workers seeking to form a union. The legislation would require the NLRB to certify a union representative if a majority -- more than half -- of workers sign authorization cards in favor of the union.
FluxCapacitor2008 2 years ago
It's pure democracy. It also keeps employers from dragging their feet and getting a vote taken. Most importantly, it keeps the workers from getting fired for trying to better their conditions.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
3) By NLRB-ordered recognition: As a last resort, the NLRB can order an employer who has engaged in unfair labor practices that make a fair election unlikely to recognize a labor union if a majority of employees have signed authorization cards in favor of the union. EFCA does not change this process.
FluxCapacitor2008 2 years ago