Just goes to show that Palestinians are born evil. That's why they grow up to be suicide bombers and bus hijackers. Indeed, there has never been a race more deserving of genocide than Palestinians: it would serve them right for all the suffering those cowardly degenerates have caused.
@EvilCommunistMuslim5 Ohhhhhhhhhhhh............ i think i've heard that before.... when when.......? OH RIGHT!!!! NAZIS.... Nazis used to say Jews "deserved" genocide.... so now you're doing it with PALESTINIANS.... Ah, I see.... *Awww..........aren't you original Fake-Name-to-Pretend-Being-Someone-I'm-not*
I want to slap the living hell out of these little bastards. You dont fucking slap animals at the zoo, you pet them! Poor innocent animals trapped with these idiots! I want to rescue them!
Look at that stupid kid hit the donkey. I wanna punch that kid in the face. This zoo was also booby traped with explosives by Hamas later on. Hamas alo left the animals to starve to death. Im going to go to Gaza and im going to free those animals and kill anoyne who stops me.
WHAT u are talkign about... U will the kid to die?? Is that what u think.. Israel kill almost 800 kids and u support that also?? U call a baby a terrorist.. there is no terrorist but u
@daysofthenew24 hey, since you're comment is *obviously* SO CLEVER:.. why don't you make it into next Friday? You know, like Rebecca's Black song? :) I mean, it will go with the same IQ effort as you put in your comment!
Damn, the expression on that poor donkey's face while that kid is slapping him in the face just says, "god my life sucks".
That donkey should kick him in the head and turn him into a drooling retard, then they can paint him like a monkey and put him in a zoo so he can have his face slapped by brats all day.
@lauriecorona Well I mentioned nothing about anyone looking like anything. Any image you think is there is in your imagination. I have a good imagination too. For example, from your comment, I imagine that you're one of those people that goes to the vet and makes up a story to have her healthy dog put down because her new boyfriend (who will dump her in a week anyway) doesn't like dogs.
That makes you look despicable in my imagination. See how that works? Fun game.
You people saying that Israel has sealed off Gaza do realize that Egypt controls the border to the south right? And that through that border flow arms and bullets and materials to make rockets to fire at Israel, and that the resources wasted on those things could be diverted to food and medicine and that Israel allows hundreds of humanitarian aid trucks to go into Gaza daily and that Hamas confiscates the aid right?
Israel controls all borders with the Occupied Territories. You do understand that Gaza is Occupied? Right? There is a big wall around it turning it into the biggest open air prison and Israel has total control of any air land or sea access to Gaza.
The Gazans are an occupied people and are fully entitled under international law to resist that occupation.
rafiah isn't under israeli control ,am i right? there is not even one israeli in gaza and 8 years of rockets in southern israel even after they left the fucking gaza strip .just stop lying to the entire world. if gaza is a prison it's only because hamas
Rafah is under Egyptian control and Egypt gets lots of money from Israeli sugar daddy, the US. To maintain the flow of money from the US into Egypt, Egypt will do whatever is required of it by the US or Israel. You will note the Egypt used armed police to try to stop a peaceful convoy of humanitarian supplies reaching Gaza through Rafa.
Israel may have physically left Gaza but is still in breach of international law thanks to the wall it has built, and it is also stealing water from Gaza.
@edneom, you seem to concede - despite your own arguments to the contrary - that Gaza is a prison, and that this is the fault of Hamas. If Israel had stuck to the agreed peace accords by allowing an autonomous government to exist in West Bank and Gaza, Hamas would not be a problem. That Hamas was successful in free and fair elections is a reflection of the Palestinian population's frustration with the lack of agreement after over 60 years of struggle! Hamas was formed in 1987. You do the math
I hope every Gaza Palestinian who voted Hamas realizes that this is a direct result of their choice of Islamism and war over Democracy and peace... West Bank Palestinians don't have Zebra Donkeys.
I hope you understand that that Gaza Palestinians voted for Hamas because in over 40 years of 'peace negotiations' Israel has in fact increased control over Gaza, increased the amount of (illegal) settlements, increased the severity of the economic blockade, increased assassinations of political leaders, increased the destruction of public housing and even destroying police facilities whilst *at the same time* demanding that Palestinians secure the Gaza strip!
If you treat millions of people like animals for over 40 years, don't be surprised when they start acting like animals in order to fight back against illegal occupation and racist oppression.
West Bank Palestinians have to build the houses for the illegal settlers to live in because that is the only work available to them to do because Israel illegally withholds tax revenue from both Gaza and West Banks.
To think that West Bank Palestinians are somehow free of Israeli tyranny is laughable.
Meh. Rationalize it all you want, they made a choice and they pay a price, inflated as though as it may be. I agree that the Palestinians are victims of a reluctant and shifty Israeli policy towards peace, but more so, they are victims of their own culture of victimization. Refusal to accept responsibility to consequences is the worst enemy towards peace.
Way to water down history to a several-word sound byte that portray one side of the issue only. Jewish settlement in these areas existed before modern Israel, as far back as a few thousand years, therefore no one can claim 'ownership'. Further, The Palestinians chose the path of war rather than coexistence when Israel declared independence. They took a choice that led to grave consequences and they refuse to accept their part in it. That's what I mean when talking about culture of victimization.
BS, even if there was Jews there, they spoke Arabic, and were part of the Arabic culture in the so-called Holylands (which included Muslims, Christians and Jews, in that order), if Jews wanted to migrate there after the Holocaust, that's fine, but don't claim it was yours to begin with, form a state and arm its people so you can terrorise the original inhabitants, that's called 'ethnic-cleansing'. Palestinians had the right to refuse to recognise Israel, PERIOD.
So lemme get this straight. our stance is no dialog, no recognition of Israel, and in effect, ethnic cleansing (by eliminating the state of Israel you make 6 million people refugees), in return to ethnic cleansing, which was caused by ethnic cleansing. In other words, you support the cycle of violence. I recognize that the Palestinians need an urgent solution, and that Israeli Arabs have the right to remain in their homes, but your solution's price is horrendous.
What "solution"? i didn't propose a solution, so don't put words in my mouth. I said Palestinians "had" the right to refuse to recognise Israel in light of the events leading up to Israel's Formation; and as far as solutions go, it's Israel who's been giving the international community the middle finger; by turning Palestinians lives into a living a hell and refusing to halt settlements, Israel doesn't want peace, it has created a culture of constant war, and it seems quite comfortable with it.
No. My point is that the Palestinians are just as responsible for their grim situation as Israel is. The only right they have is to stop digging their own graves and start working towards constructive solutions. And even if that wasn't the case, I don't see how anything justifies sending young men to blow themselves up with men, women and children on buses or firing home made dirty rockets on homes and kindergartens; Just as much as Israel should definitely not be allowed to do so.
@InfectedTofu. you say that "the Palestinians are just as responsible for their grim situation as Israel is". This is incorrect. Israel is in breach of international law by illegally occupying Gaza and the West Bank. Israel, is therefore the only party responsible. Israel cannot take the moral high ground until it pulls out from illegal occupation.
As for "working towards constructive solutions". What has Israel *ever* conceded to the Palestinians in the constant "peace talks"?
Israel demands that Palestinians keep Gaza secure whilst *at the same time* bombing police stations and security infrastructure.
The Oslo Agreements between Palestinians and Israel were signed in 1993, why has Israel never adhered to them?
You are right, absolutely nothing justifies sending young men on suicide missions, but like it or not, this form of resistance is chosen because they don't own tanks, F-16s or Apache helicopters... unlike Israel.
For someone who _pretends_ to be even-handed you seem quite comfortable justifying Palestinians blight as "their own fault", as if they're the ones who keep bombing their own civilians in acts of collective punishment ("surgical strikes" my foot) or build Jewish extremists' settlements on their own land, burn their own farms, etc..
The rest of your arguments have effectively been destroyed by 'whypatcondellisntfun', so I won't keep beating the dead horse, have a nice day!
I don't understand, which choice did the Palestinians make? So far as I can see, the only choice they have is to either accept an illegal military occupation and let a foreign power steal their land and property, or to resist such an occupation.
Is there any people in the history of the world that have simply accepted military occupation and racist domination without a fight?
The main crossroads that I can recall are that in 48', they refused the two state solution. In 2000, they refused the Camp David accords, in 2005 they leveraged the Gaza pullout to escalate violence, and in 2006 they elected Hammas, that openly doesn't accept any solution that includes acceptance of Israel in any form.
I am not cleansing Israel's part in the issue, I am stating that the continuing use of terrorist methods end up hurting the Gazans more than anyone, as this sad video portrays.
Well, if you wish to go that far back, the main "crossroads" was November 29, 1947, in which, against the democratic wishes of the majority of the people living in Palestine, the UN passed General Assembly Resolution prescribing areas for a Jewish and Arab state.
The Israeli declaration of independence specifically mentions Resolution 181 as the legal basis for the existence of Israel but has refused to follow the terms of Resolution 181.
don't think slapping on the word 'democratic' automatically wins the argument. Sometimes the correct decision cant be reached through 'majority vote'. Indeed, the two state solution is the only practical solution. Not to mention of course these palestinian arabs supported hitler in wwii and usually when u support the losing side u dont get a say.
@cyklonb1989, your comment is riddled with inaccuracies.
Firstly, whilst a democratic solution might not always be the right one, I think in the case of the partition of Palestine, it might have saved 60 years of heartache. You appear to advocate throwing away democracy for certain decisions, that is called "dictatorship".
If the majority of a group voted to execute the weak minority of the group, should that minority accept 'democracy' as the basis of that decision? No, then why should the Jews at that time accept that also?
@cyklonb1989, we already agreed that a democratic solution might not always be the right one, but to ignore the wishes of a majority of people to have the right to decide on how their own land is treated is illegal and immoral. The Palestinians (Muslims, Christians and Jews included) should have been allowed to vote. As it was, the minority Jewish population was awarded the majority of the land in the Palestinian mandate and the most economically viable land at that. That was clearly wrong.
Actually you did deny the Palestian Arabs were involved in the war by saying it was the Ottoman Turks who fought for hitler. And of course you seem to 'forget' the region of Palestine was under British rule during WWII. To say 'f you live in Palestine at the time it means you are supporting hitler also' is just fucking stupid. The second reason why this is stupid is of course...
OTTOMAN EMPIRE NO LONGER EXIST IN WWII!!!! YOU FUCKING STUPID DUMBASS SHIT>
I must apologise. I did get my dates wrong. The Ottoman Empire fought with Hitler during WW1, but that is no reason to be rude about it. Though you appear to have understood exactly what I meant any way as you say "To say 'f [sic] you live in Palestine at the time it means you are supporting hitler also' is just fucking stupid". That was the point I was making.
Have you not heard of the Palestine Regiment in which Palestinians (Jews, Muslims, Christians, etc) fought together against Hitler?
If Palestinian Arabs and Jews fought together against Hitler during WWII in an official capacity in the British Army, why should all the Arabs have their land, property and dignity taken for supporting the wrong side.
You mention Amin al-Husseini. It seems to me he supported Hitler precisely because he feared that Palestinian land would be stolen by Zionists. He was not wrong. Though I thoroughly abhor his method of fighting against the outcome we see today, it is nonetheless ironic.
No you fucking troll, yes arabs did fight against the ottoman turks in WWI but that doesn't mean they did similar thing in WWII. The Jews and Arabs did not play an equal part in the war against Hitler. Thousands of Palestinian Jews rush to assist Britiain when the Axis were at the gates of Egypt despite initial British reluctance. Some act as scouts during advance to syria and lebanon. More worked in auxilary position. Eventually 25000 to 28000 palestinian jews served in british army
The palestinian arabs by sharp contrast did little to assist the war effort. There might be some who did but all in all the majority withheld their support. Proportionality wise there is absolutely no comparison between jewish and arab contribution. So quit trying muddle this up by saying 'If Palestinian Arabs and Jews fought together against Hitler during WWII'.
Not to mention of course al husseini, the popular and recognised leader of palestinian arabs actively supported hitler's genocide.
he e.g suggested in letter to the hungarian foreign minister to send the hundreds of jewish children to be sent to poland 'under german supervision.' And Palestinian Arabs' support for him actually increased after WWII. I repeat, there is no comparison. Jews and Arabs in Palestine did not unite against Hitler.
Instead though, the state of Israel, in 1980, introduced the Lehi Ribbon, an official military decoration awarded to members of the terrorist group Lehi for "for military service towards the establishment of the State of Israel". Yitzhak Shamir was part of the terrorist group Lehi, he authorised the assasination of Count Folke Bernadotte, by your logic, he should have not been given a say as he supported the wrong side in the War, but instead, he was made Prime Minister of Israel. Go figure.
If we are getting into nitpicking about who supported whom, it would be unfair not to mention that Palestinian Zionist group Lehi (AKA the "Stern Gang") *did* fight against Britain in WWII and wrote to Germany stating that it would "actively take part in the war on Germany's side" if Germany would support "the establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich."
In your logic, then, all members of the Lehi would have no say?
There is no need to be continually rude. It says more about your character than my own when you use foul language to make any point.
I did not deny that Palestinian Jews assisted Britain during WWII, that was partly because *some* of them had the long term aim of taking Palestine for themselves.
Equally, you now do not deny that Palestinian Arabs also fought on behalf of Britain. I'm not sure where you get your numbers from, perhaps you could disclose your sources?
Righteous Victim, Benny Morris. Now actually that is a good question you raised. Will YOU disclose your source about Palestinian assistance against hitler. Give me some figures.
Back to the main point. Kid, if you actually studied history or have an interest/ knowledge in politics you should realise decision made at a national level will not be precise science. Should germany not be punished because there are a few germans who were against the regime?
No of course not. We look at the big picture. the majority and the leader of germany did the wrong thing. And it will be impossible to issue precise punishment or reward to all those who deserve it. Equally, the majority of Palestinian did not make a deal with hitler. The stern gang was a fringe minority which had no more than a few hundred members.
Benny Morris has written a lot, which particular book or article was it and what were the exact statistics? If you Google "Why an Arab and a Jew fought Hitler, then each other, and died as friends", from The Independent, 11 November, 2003, you will find my source.
From your answer it still appears that you favour collectively punishing an entire population for actions of only some of them. This is not only immoral, but also illegal.
Another idiotic comment. I've already told you Righteous Victim. Can you read? And btw that source tells only the story of one arab. You want to conclude from that that Jews and Arabs played an equal part in wwii? how fucking absurd. And i've already you a figure. Go buy that book and read for once to find out yourself.
I'm not familiar with any Benny Morris books, I thought you were calling him a "Righteous Victim" not quoting the title. Thank you for the clarification. The source I quoted focuses on the story of one man who was part of the Palestine Regiment which consisted of both Arabs and Jews. Is it your position that a single Arab fought for the British? You quoted a figure of between 25-28000 Palestinian Jews in the British army, you must know how many Arabs fought to be able to say there were less?
The main point we were debating, the one you stated openly in your first comment to me, was about the democratic wishes of the majority.
The decision to partition Palestine was not made at the national level, but at the international level, so surely is *even less* of an imprecise science? But that's OK by you, because apparently the minority can rule the majority and steal their land and property according to a moral code you decide, rather than that which international law stipulates.
OK troll boy. I'm getting tired of your stupidity. 1)Tell me how many Palestinian Arabs fought against Hitler. I want precise exact figure. 2)The main point about Germany is not that stupid trash you said. The main point is that it isn't 'unjust' to punish Germany as a whole because we need to look at the big picture and the big picture is that as a whole the german people did wrong. That's the point.
1) The point I've been trying to make is that it does not matter how many Palestinian Arabs did or did not fight against Hitler, nothing gives anyone the right to steal land and property from them. Palestinians Jews and Arabs fought against Hitler. Palestinians Jews and Arabs also defended Hitler. You want to says that it is the majority that counts and we should not judge each person individually? Smacks of racism to me.
2) I understand what you are saying. The big picture was that Germany, as a *sovereign country* declared war and so should be punished as a country, which it was. Note that German land was not stolen and Germany was not divided by UN vote. The Palestinian Arabs and the Palestinian Jews were not a sovereign country and so it is wrong to collectively punish or reward the Jews or the Arabs, but the right thing, the legal thing, the moral thing to do would be to punish individuals.
Let's talk about one point at a time ok? This makes things less confusing. First quit trying to muddle things up by dragging it to the issue of 'racsim' or 'collective punishment'. The context here is completely different. When we are dealing with future of a region and all the population in it it is impractical to make decision precisely at an individual level. That's just stupid. It is impossible to access each and everyone's role in the war.
What exactly are you saying? That We should interview everyone and ask them to present proof about theri role? Get real this aint gonna happen. it's unfeasible. Is it unfair to some individuals? yes in the strictest. but if you abide by this principle then pretty much nothing can be done in international politics. You can say it is unjust america declared war on germany because not every single german support hitler.
or is it fair hitler stripped the jews of their human rights? yes by ur logic. because the 'majority voted him in power and supported him. You see the problem now? it's not that simple all the time. You need to understand this, kiddo. Things are not black and white.
It was not fair that Hitler stripped the Jews of their rights. Whilst locally he was voted in to power, at the international level, the majority saw that what he was doing was illegal and immoral and so other countries stepped in to stop his murdering actions.
Hitler's actions led to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which lays out the basic foundation of human rights globally. But, again, the irony is that Israel has been ignoring human rights since it declared independence.
Anyway, we are obviously not getting anywhere here. I'll leave it to the people reading our exchange to decide for themselves who and what they believe.
I have to admit, it is always difficult to keep up with the argument when the goalposts keep changing and you are dealing with a person who has no respect for the individual Palestinians affected by over 60 years of denial of their rights by a state which is illegally occupying land and a commits a systematic demonisation of their them and their lives, and the deliberate erasal of their culture from the land of Israel.
The victims have become the aggressor and so the cycle continues.
I'm not proposing that we interview anyone. I'm saying that there should have been a democratic vote at the level of the citizens of what was left of the Palestinian mandate to ask them what they wanted. That didn't happen, therefore, after Israel declared independence, it should have either allowed those Arabs who wanted to return to their homes to do so (the legal right of return!), or else recompense them for stealing their land.
3)Both the Jews and Arabs had equal claim to the future of that region. It is not the 'Arab's land'. The sovereignty belongs to British and later to the UN. The Jews should not have to accept decision made out of 'democracy'. I have said this ages ago. Unlike e.g. the US election. There was NO social contract that bound arab and jews into one unity that will be based on majority vote. The arabs want to vote the jewish people out. The Jews have no reason to accept that. It is unjust.
4)Israel is not the occupying of gaza or west bank. 5) The Goldstone Report is a complete joke. 6)Self-defense is not 'crime against humanity Just because there are innocent casualties in war (as in all war) doesn't mean it's a war crime.
4) According to international law and every country except Israel, Israel is in fact illegally occupying Gaza and the West Bank. To deny this is illogical.
5) The Goldstone Report was written by a Zionist Jew, it damns both Israel and Hamas for war crimes. If Israel has nothing to fear it will welcome further investigation.
6) Hamas is legally resisting an illegal occupation. Yes, Israel is defending itself, but Goldstone found that Israel deliberately targeted civilian infrastructure.
2) There are innocent civilians killed, yes. Unfortunate, yes. But that's the nature of war. Stop using biased language to allege Israel to DELIBERATELY kill those kids.
3) The starting point is that Arabs outnumbered Jews and legally owned more land than the Jews but were given a smaller proportion of the mandated Palestine for their own state which was the less economically viable land.
You say the Jews shouldn't have to accept democracy, but the declaration of independence shows they freely did.
The Arabs didn't want to 'vote the Jews out' they just didn't want the land split into two states. They wanted a single state with Muslims, Jews and Christians.
If you are so worried about what is just and unjust, support Palestinian refugees in either being given their legally owned land back and the exercise of the Right of Return, or else recompense from the State of Israel for their loss so that they may build a life elsewhere.
That would be the just thing for Israel to do. Rather than demolishing more houses in illegally occupied land to make way for "settlers" who have no legal right to settle.
You said "Should germany not be punished because there are a few germans who were against the regime?" Germany was punished, but it was not arbitrarily partitioned by the UN. Nor is it today demonstrably illegally occupying land which does not belong to it, or committing human rights abuses and crimes against humanity against people who are not it's citizens.
That is the main point you appear to be missing. But no matter, the Goldstone Report may go someway to redressing the injustice.
Previously, you said that "Not to mention of course these palestinian arabs supported hitler in wwii and usually when u support the losing side u dont get a say.". You now admit that, at the very least, *some* Palestinian Arabs fought against Hitler, according to your own logic then, those Arabs that fought against Hitler should have been entitled to a say in their own future. Were they given that say?
"The Ottoman Empire fought with Hitler during WW1, but that is no reason to be rude about it."
btw, WILL YOU PLEASE READ A BOOK. I can't believe twice in a row you have made such a stupid comment. Hitler was just a goddamn runner during WWI. Alright? And no, I don't know what you mean because your arguments (if I can really call them that) are based on nonsense and terrible ignorance.
Whilst I admit that I've got my facts about Hitler wrong, you will note that the underlying premise I'm making - that Palestinian Arabs deserved a democratic say in their own destiny - has not been disproved by your (unproven and illogical) arguments, which appear to rest on your belief that more Palestinian Jews than Palestinian Arabs fought against Hitler, therefore, all Palestinian Jews should take all the Palestinian Arab land and property without recompense?
As for Arabs fighting on the side of Hitler, well, that is true. But go do some research on Lawrence of Arabia who organised an Arab army of his own to fight against the Ottoman Turks who were supporting Hitler. What of those Arabs. Do they have no rights?
It was the Ottoman Empire that supported Hitler. The Jews of Palestine were part of that empire but they were not ethnically cleansed from Palestine, nor was their land and property stolen from them by the state of Israel.
hahaha oh really? well first I said Palestinian Arabs not all Arabs. Second, why don't you go do some research. Have you heard of haj amin al-husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem?
@cyklonb1989 - Why do you think the Palestinian people have adopted the flag of the Arab revolt? Could it be because it was meant to symbolise the hopes of an Arab nationalist cause designed to free Palestine from both Ottoman and British rule?
I did not deny that Palestinian Arabs were involved in the war, but my point was also that the Jews that were also living in that area at the time, as part of the Ottoman Empire, why should the non-Jews alone be punished for supporting the wrong side?
a ghetto of their own choosing and making. The less control Israel has in those areas, the worse off they are because they can't rule themselves. You can see it in Europe in places like Malmo. They burn buildings and throw rocks at the police and firemen. Islam equals poverty and tyranny.
Israel was created in 1948. The Arabs had done fine up until that point. Since Israel occupied Gaza and the West Bank in the 1960s the Palestinians and the Israelis have not been at war, the Palestinians have been resisting illegal occupation. The Israeli army is one of the most sophisticated in the world, using F-16s, Apache attack helicopters, tanks and armoured bulldozers to illegally destroy housing and raze economically crucial olive trees.
The place is barricaded from all sides and completely cut off from the outside world. But they still manage to adapt and endure by doing innovative things like this. Kudos.
unfortunately Israel has american money backing its "DEFFENCE" , Palestine has what? rocks maybe to throw at israeli tanks, so what if they use animals better that then a small child (assuming they havent been run down by israeli forces)
this is retarded. cruelty to animals (including this happy scene where the kid is punching the animal 0:25), confusing to un-educated kids..and their just-as-retarded parents.
Wow..did you see the kids slapping the poor donkey? I think they should have put those kids in the cage with the tiger and let them slap her. Apparently, their parents never taught them to respect life. I guess that would be counter to the lessons they will be get in the next few years. If they were taught to be kind to animals...who knows how that might weaken their resolve at 16.
Lets get the facts: Gaza has a population of 1.5 million Palestinians in a area of 20miles by 5miles The colony of Israel has sanctions forcing Palestine not to even have the basic necessities to live. This news coverage is a complete replication of how Hitler dehumanized the true Jews before they were tossed in the fires. Whoever was the editor of this pices was a Zionist Jew.
Oh I see, let's think for a sec what you said. They don't 'even have the basic necessities to live.'......and yet they got a zoo. go take a look at real starving children in africa before you make this retarded claim. If these gaza kids dont have the basic necessity to live they will not be running around happily. Pls don't play the hitler analogy card, it's just cheap especially when it's a poor analogy.
YOU are the one bringing in another issue. I am not here to discuss WHY africa is in poverty. I am saying if you want to look at real starving kids who REALLY lack the basic necessities you should take a look at certain parts of the world. Why don't you take a look at ethiopian refugee camps? let's see if they have a fucking zoo there.
That's not a Zoo, it's a joke like the term "Israeli Democracy" when no Palestinian has the right to vote or have representation in Israeli government. This isn't a refugee camp, this is Palestine, this is THEIR country, which is under illegal occupation by Israelis, who continue to expand settlements. The whole world has asked them to stop, and yet they continue, unashamed. How you can come from one atrocity and commit it to another people is beyond me. End the occupation!
I mean seriously what are you talking about? What are you responding to? I am trying to understand. Just calm down, gather your thoughts and clarify yourself. Write it down step by step in coherent way to explain what's your point and why do you think it is RELATED to this video and what I have said, ok? start by telling me what you mean by "That's not a Zoo"
well that shut Dretske up
thejackattack2734 2 weeks ago
Just goes to show that Palestinians are born evil. That's why they grow up to be suicide bombers and bus hijackers. Indeed, there has never been a race more deserving of genocide than Palestinians: it would serve them right for all the suffering those cowardly degenerates have caused.
EvilCommunistMuslim5 8 months ago
@EvilCommunistMuslim5 Ohhhhhhhhhhhh............ i think i've heard that before.... when when.......? OH RIGHT!!!! NAZIS.... Nazis used to say Jews "deserved" genocide.... so now you're doing it with PALESTINIANS.... Ah, I see.... *Awww..........aren't you original Fake-Name-to-Pretend-Being-Someone-I'm-not*
lauriecorona 8 months ago
All zoos are just prisons.
AlexisCapri 11 months ago
Put the donkeys somewhere safe and run away and leave the kids who slap the donkey and let the lion loose!!!!
btrfan8312 11 months ago
That dumb kid is punching the donkey!Why won't anyone hit the kid or the donkey kicks the kid!
btrfan8312 11 months ago
I want to slap the living hell out of these little bastards. You dont fucking slap animals at the zoo, you pet them! Poor innocent animals trapped with these idiots! I want to rescue them!
TheMamadeira 1 year ago 2
Sad sad sad sad sad sad :(
likgiltigman 1 year ago
OMFG
Zm1z 1 year ago
Look at that stupid kid hit the donkey. I wanna punch that kid in the face. This zoo was also booby traped with explosives by Hamas later on. Hamas alo left the animals to starve to death. Im going to go to Gaza and im going to free those animals and kill anoyne who stops me.
IsraeliFighter 1 year ago
Y do they allows the children to hit the donkeys?
meminchii 1 year ago
Just when I thought I saw it all..
xGothimox 1 year ago
Oh And in case anyone's wondering what became of that "ageing Tigress" ....
youtube.com/watch?v=ZNHejoWT8lI
carlito184 1 year ago
Does anyone else think that the art work is amazing?
carlito184 1 year ago 3
I can't believe the zoo is letting those kids HIT the donkey! Wow! What kind of "zoo" is that???!
chevychase 1 year ago
that "aging tigress" is a female lion. So what are the monkeys?
sanni3003 1 year ago
put those people in a cage so i can watch them and spit at them...
SomeRandomDude00 2 years ago
fucking children hitting the donkey, If I was the donkey I would have at least taken a shit on them.
DACR6 2 years ago
yeah, perhaps, but if you were a zebra, you would have died of starvation. i'd more like to be a beaten donkey that a dead zebra :)))
XaraWhite 2 years ago
come in my country to see !! how the terrorist braveheart used to civils to protect them !!
come to see !
carrepok 2 years ago
poor donkeys
izzychaves 2 years ago
Actually the Isreali shot most of the animals at the zoo.. I saw a dead Camel was killed with an Isreali rocket
coolfire2 2 years ago
This is crazy... Why are the kids beatting the donkey?.... Poor beasts...
Tableuraz 2 years ago
במקום נשק החמאס חייב להשקיע בחינוך בעזה!!
מה זה חמור זברה !!!
bendj123 2 years ago
Can't wait to see what their "aquarium" would look like: "Mama, why do the dolphins have gills?"
One should not "kludge" an animal, it's just wrong, and worse, also kind of redneck-y.
mowgli2071 2 years ago
Paint donkeys to look like zebras then let kids beat on them......sweet idea.
gorzinplatz 2 years ago
Seeing how many thumbs up all the retarded terrorist comments gets is pretty disturbing. poor animals though.
MrCauthon2 2 years ago
it looks like all the kids have ADHD poor fukcing animals its worse then apartheid!
opaz79 2 years ago 4
this is just retarded
MrRoffe123 2 years ago 4
WTF, little baby terrorist hitting the "Zonkey"! Hope the little *BEEP* dies!
Yahoos2f 2 years ago
WHAT u are talkign about... U will the kid to die?? Is that what u think.. Israel kill almost 800 kids and u support that also?? U call a baby a terrorist.. there is no terrorist but u
coolfire2 2 years ago
Now, that doesnt have anything to do with that kid hitting a defenseless animal now does it?
Yahoos2f 2 years ago
@Yahoos2f
That donkey could knock the shit straight out of those kids. Sadly if it would have they would have killed it. =[
hagelt18 2 years ago
come here in my country to see !! how the braveheart palestiniens fighters used the civils to protectect them !! come to see ignorant !!
carrepok 2 years ago 2
It seems they also painted the tiger to look like a lion.
danselwyn 2 years ago 3
thats stupid
zebras have black manes
dogsbone07 2 years ago
To begin with this is animal abuse, probably the hair color is toxic, and since they killed the ones they had, why would these be any different.
Moreover, how much does a kassam rocket cost? They can't do without one rocket for a zebra.
Twisted fucks!
I hope the world sees just how the Palis treat their animals, their kids, and anything that has no voice.
abbienetvision 2 years ago
fucking kid in blue with the pink backpack was bitch slaping that donkbra jajaja
fuking futere terrorists
zague5 2 years ago
do you see the kids slaping that poor zebra? WTF???? :(
isbjornur 2 years ago 8
guys they are kids.. remember gaza lost 800 kids cause of the israeli bombing last year.... wake up
coolfire2 2 years ago
if i was the donkey i wud have kid the kids that slapped me until they cudnt get up
M7NerdMan 2 years ago 3
Poor animals...
canuckster24 2 years ago 5
Cute, they have now access to camouflage technology.
q965gh3239o0 2 years ago 4
LMAO!
Tigersmind87 2 years ago
Throw those kids that hit the animals, in the tiger cage and see if they will try to hit those.
Gichnni 2 years ago 8
ofcourse not silly. the kids know that the tiger can easily kill them, while the donkey can't.
seungyoo86 2 years ago
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stupid sandniggers.
xlowpitch 2 years ago
I really want to see a donkey kick one of those kids into next Tuesday.
daysofthenew24 2 years ago 18
@daysofthenew24 hey, since you're comment is *obviously* SO CLEVER:.. why don't you make it into next Friday? You know, like Rebecca's Black song? :) I mean, it will go with the same IQ effort as you put in your comment!
lauriecorona 8 months ago
Damn, the expression on that poor donkey's face while that kid is slapping him in the face just says, "god my life sucks".
That donkey should kick him in the head and turn him into a drooling retard, then they can paint him like a monkey and put him in a zoo so he can have his face slapped by brats all day.
fireangel32 2 years ago 21
@fireangel32 wtfffff its a kid :S why are u backing up for the donkey?? are you related to donkeys ??
because i dont hear u feel pity for monkeys or little kids ... jezuss where is youre hearth , how could you wish something like that for the kid
shiyan1 1 year ago
@fireangel32 OMG *thank you* for telling us what YOUR MIRROR reflects every morning!!! :D
lauriecorona 8 months ago
@lauriecorona Well I mentioned nothing about anyone looking like anything. Any image you think is there is in your imagination. I have a good imagination too. For example, from your comment, I imagine that you're one of those people that goes to the vet and makes up a story to have her healthy dog put down because her new boyfriend (who will dump her in a week anyway) doesn't like dogs.
That makes you look despicable in my imagination. See how that works? Fun game.
fireangel32 7 months ago
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STOOPID NAGGERS
greenair00 2 years ago
resist palestine! resit!
epicusss 2 years ago
man i hope that donkey ends up kicking those kids in the face
DancingMonkey360 2 years ago 7
Zonkies(Donkies), good idea,
They have wogs(dogs), and Flamingles(Eagles) too.
haha
defiantass 2 years ago
BOYCOTT the criminal state of ISRAEL
godwash 2 years ago
every utube video about iraq isreal or something the comments are always politacal lol
2soon4u 2 years ago
yah, some are paid to do it though: guardian co uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media
godwash 2 years ago
Fucking kids! stop slapping that donkey! grr, I'd slap their faces out instead.
cloudani 2 years ago
You people saying that Israel has sealed off Gaza do realize that Egypt controls the border to the south right? And that through that border flow arms and bullets and materials to make rockets to fire at Israel, and that the resources wasted on those things could be diverted to food and medicine and that Israel allows hundreds of humanitarian aid trucks to go into Gaza daily and that Hamas confiscates the aid right?
trevormac77 2 years ago
Israel controls all borders with the Occupied Territories. You do understand that Gaza is Occupied? Right? There is a big wall around it turning it into the biggest open air prison and Israel has total control of any air land or sea access to Gaza.
The Gazans are an occupied people and are fully entitled under international law to resist that occupation.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
rafiah isn't under israeli control ,am i right? there is not even one israeli in gaza and 8 years of rockets in southern israel even after they left the fucking gaza strip .just stop lying to the entire world. if gaza is a prison it's only because hamas
edneom 2 years ago
Rafah is under Egyptian control and Egypt gets lots of money from Israeli sugar daddy, the US. To maintain the flow of money from the US into Egypt, Egypt will do whatever is required of it by the US or Israel. You will note the Egypt used armed police to try to stop a peaceful convoy of humanitarian supplies reaching Gaza through Rafa.
Israel may have physically left Gaza but is still in breach of international law thanks to the wall it has built, and it is also stealing water from Gaza.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
@edneom, you seem to concede - despite your own arguments to the contrary - that Gaza is a prison, and that this is the fault of Hamas. If Israel had stuck to the agreed peace accords by allowing an autonomous government to exist in West Bank and Gaza, Hamas would not be a problem. That Hamas was successful in free and fair elections is a reflection of the Palestinian population's frustration with the lack of agreement after over 60 years of struggle! Hamas was formed in 1987. You do the math
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
I hope every Gaza Palestinian who voted Hamas realizes that this is a direct result of their choice of Islamism and war over Democracy and peace... West Bank Palestinians don't have Zebra Donkeys.
InfectedTofu 2 years ago
I hope you understand that that Gaza Palestinians voted for Hamas because in over 40 years of 'peace negotiations' Israel has in fact increased control over Gaza, increased the amount of (illegal) settlements, increased the severity of the economic blockade, increased assassinations of political leaders, increased the destruction of public housing and even destroying police facilities whilst *at the same time* demanding that Palestinians secure the Gaza strip!
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
If you treat millions of people like animals for over 40 years, don't be surprised when they start acting like animals in order to fight back against illegal occupation and racist oppression.
West Bank Palestinians have to build the houses for the illegal settlers to live in because that is the only work available to them to do because Israel illegally withholds tax revenue from both Gaza and West Banks.
To think that West Bank Palestinians are somehow free of Israeli tyranny is laughable.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
Meh. Rationalize it all you want, they made a choice and they pay a price, inflated as though as it may be. I agree that the Palestinians are victims of a reluctant and shifty Israeli policy towards peace, but more so, they are victims of their own culture of victimization. Refusal to accept responsibility to consequences is the worst enemy towards peace.
InfectedTofu 2 years ago
when someone comes in, takes your land and claims it was theirs 2000 years ago, you have the right to be flippin' mad.
godwash 2 years ago
Way to water down history to a several-word sound byte that portray one side of the issue only. Jewish settlement in these areas existed before modern Israel, as far back as a few thousand years, therefore no one can claim 'ownership'. Further, The Palestinians chose the path of war rather than coexistence when Israel declared independence. They took a choice that led to grave consequences and they refuse to accept their part in it. That's what I mean when talking about culture of victimization.
InfectedTofu 2 years ago
"no one can claim 'ownership'"
BS, even if there was Jews there, they spoke Arabic, and were part of the Arabic culture in the so-called Holylands (which included Muslims, Christians and Jews, in that order), if Jews wanted to migrate there after the Holocaust, that's fine, but don't claim it was yours to begin with, form a state and arm its people so you can terrorise the original inhabitants, that's called 'ethnic-cleansing'. Palestinians had the right to refuse to recognise Israel, PERIOD.
godwash 2 years ago
So lemme get this straight. our stance is no dialog, no recognition of Israel, and in effect, ethnic cleansing (by eliminating the state of Israel you make 6 million people refugees), in return to ethnic cleansing, which was caused by ethnic cleansing. In other words, you support the cycle of violence. I recognize that the Palestinians need an urgent solution, and that Israeli Arabs have the right to remain in their homes, but your solution's price is horrendous.
InfectedTofu 2 years ago
What "solution"? i didn't propose a solution, so don't put words in my mouth. I said Palestinians "had" the right to refuse to recognise Israel in light of the events leading up to Israel's Formation; and as far as solutions go, it's Israel who's been giving the international community the middle finger; by turning Palestinians lives into a living a hell and refusing to halt settlements, Israel doesn't want peace, it has created a culture of constant war, and it seems quite comfortable with it.
godwash 2 years ago
No. My point is that the Palestinians are just as responsible for their grim situation as Israel is. The only right they have is to stop digging their own graves and start working towards constructive solutions. And even if that wasn't the case, I don't see how anything justifies sending young men to blow themselves up with men, women and children on buses or firing home made dirty rockets on homes and kindergartens; Just as much as Israel should definitely not be allowed to do so.
InfectedTofu 2 years ago
@InfectedTofu. you say that "the Palestinians are just as responsible for their grim situation as Israel is". This is incorrect. Israel is in breach of international law by illegally occupying Gaza and the West Bank. Israel, is therefore the only party responsible. Israel cannot take the moral high ground until it pulls out from illegal occupation.
As for "working towards constructive solutions". What has Israel *ever* conceded to the Palestinians in the constant "peace talks"?
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
@InfectedTofu
Israel demands that Palestinians keep Gaza secure whilst *at the same time* bombing police stations and security infrastructure.
The Oslo Agreements between Palestinians and Israel were signed in 1993, why has Israel never adhered to them?
You are right, absolutely nothing justifies sending young men on suicide missions, but like it or not, this form of resistance is chosen because they don't own tanks, F-16s or Apache helicopters... unlike Israel.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
For someone who _pretends_ to be even-handed you seem quite comfortable justifying Palestinians blight as "their own fault", as if they're the ones who keep bombing their own civilians in acts of collective punishment ("surgical strikes" my foot) or build Jewish extremists' settlements on their own land, burn their own farms, etc..
The rest of your arguments have effectively been destroyed by 'whypatcondellisntfun', so I won't keep beating the dead horse, have a nice day!
godwash 2 years ago 2
@InfectedTofu
I don't understand, which choice did the Palestinians make? So far as I can see, the only choice they have is to either accept an illegal military occupation and let a foreign power steal their land and property, or to resist such an occupation.
Is there any people in the history of the world that have simply accepted military occupation and racist domination without a fight?
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago 2
The main crossroads that I can recall are that in 48', they refused the two state solution. In 2000, they refused the Camp David accords, in 2005 they leveraged the Gaza pullout to escalate violence, and in 2006 they elected Hammas, that openly doesn't accept any solution that includes acceptance of Israel in any form.
I am not cleansing Israel's part in the issue, I am stating that the continuing use of terrorist methods end up hurting the Gazans more than anyone, as this sad video portrays.
InfectedTofu 2 years ago
Well, if you wish to go that far back, the main "crossroads" was November 29, 1947, in which, against the democratic wishes of the majority of the people living in Palestine, the UN passed General Assembly Resolution prescribing areas for a Jewish and Arab state.
The Israeli declaration of independence specifically mentions Resolution 181 as the legal basis for the existence of Israel but has refused to follow the terms of Resolution 181.
The Palestinians had no choice then, nor any now
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago 2
don't think slapping on the word 'democratic' automatically wins the argument. Sometimes the correct decision cant be reached through 'majority vote'. Indeed, the two state solution is the only practical solution. Not to mention of course these palestinian arabs supported hitler in wwii and usually when u support the losing side u dont get a say.
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
@cyklonb1989, your comment is riddled with inaccuracies.
Firstly, whilst a democratic solution might not always be the right one, I think in the case of the partition of Palestine, it might have saved 60 years of heartache. You appear to advocate throwing away democracy for certain decisions, that is called "dictatorship".
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
If the majority of a group voted to execute the weak minority of the group, should that minority accept 'democracy' as the basis of that decision? No, then why should the Jews at that time accept that also?
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
@cyklonb1989, we already agreed that a democratic solution might not always be the right one, but to ignore the wishes of a majority of people to have the right to decide on how their own land is treated is illegal and immoral. The Palestinians (Muslims, Christians and Jews included) should have been allowed to vote. As it was, the minority Jewish population was awarded the majority of the land in the Palestinian mandate and the most economically viable land at that. That was clearly wrong.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
Actually you did deny the Palestian Arabs were involved in the war by saying it was the Ottoman Turks who fought for hitler. And of course you seem to 'forget' the region of Palestine was under British rule during WWII. To say 'f you live in Palestine at the time it means you are supporting hitler also' is just fucking stupid. The second reason why this is stupid is of course...
OTTOMAN EMPIRE NO LONGER EXIST IN WWII!!!! YOU FUCKING STUPID DUMBASS SHIT>
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
I must apologise. I did get my dates wrong. The Ottoman Empire fought with Hitler during WW1, but that is no reason to be rude about it. Though you appear to have understood exactly what I meant any way as you say "To say 'f [sic] you live in Palestine at the time it means you are supporting hitler also' is just fucking stupid". That was the point I was making.
Have you not heard of the Palestine Regiment in which Palestinians (Jews, Muslims, Christians, etc) fought together against Hitler?
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
If Palestinian Arabs and Jews fought together against Hitler during WWII in an official capacity in the British Army, why should all the Arabs have their land, property and dignity taken for supporting the wrong side.
You mention Amin al-Husseini. It seems to me he supported Hitler precisely because he feared that Palestinian land would be stolen by Zionists. He was not wrong. Though I thoroughly abhor his method of fighting against the outcome we see today, it is nonetheless ironic.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
No you fucking troll, yes arabs did fight against the ottoman turks in WWI but that doesn't mean they did similar thing in WWII. The Jews and Arabs did not play an equal part in the war against Hitler. Thousands of Palestinian Jews rush to assist Britiain when the Axis were at the gates of Egypt despite initial British reluctance. Some act as scouts during advance to syria and lebanon. More worked in auxilary position. Eventually 25000 to 28000 palestinian jews served in british army
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
The palestinian arabs by sharp contrast did little to assist the war effort. There might be some who did but all in all the majority withheld their support. Proportionality wise there is absolutely no comparison between jewish and arab contribution. So quit trying muddle this up by saying 'If Palestinian Arabs and Jews fought together against Hitler during WWII'.
Not to mention of course al husseini, the popular and recognised leader of palestinian arabs actively supported hitler's genocide.
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
he e.g suggested in letter to the hungarian foreign minister to send the hundreds of jewish children to be sent to poland 'under german supervision.' And Palestinian Arabs' support for him actually increased after WWII. I repeat, there is no comparison. Jews and Arabs in Palestine did not unite against Hitler.
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
Instead though, the state of Israel, in 1980, introduced the Lehi Ribbon, an official military decoration awarded to members of the terrorist group Lehi for "for military service towards the establishment of the State of Israel". Yitzhak Shamir was part of the terrorist group Lehi, he authorised the assasination of Count Folke Bernadotte, by your logic, he should have not been given a say as he supported the wrong side in the War, but instead, he was made Prime Minister of Israel. Go figure.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
If we are getting into nitpicking about who supported whom, it would be unfair not to mention that Palestinian Zionist group Lehi (AKA the "Stern Gang") *did* fight against Britain in WWII and wrote to Germany stating that it would "actively take part in the war on Germany's side" if Germany would support "the establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich."
In your logic, then, all members of the Lehi would have no say?
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
There is no need to be continually rude. It says more about your character than my own when you use foul language to make any point.
I did not deny that Palestinian Jews assisted Britain during WWII, that was partly because *some* of them had the long term aim of taking Palestine for themselves.
Equally, you now do not deny that Palestinian Arabs also fought on behalf of Britain. I'm not sure where you get your numbers from, perhaps you could disclose your sources?
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
Righteous Victim, Benny Morris. Now actually that is a good question you raised. Will YOU disclose your source about Palestinian assistance against hitler. Give me some figures.
Back to the main point. Kid, if you actually studied history or have an interest/ knowledge in politics you should realise decision made at a national level will not be precise science. Should germany not be punished because there are a few germans who were against the regime?
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
No of course not. We look at the big picture. the majority and the leader of germany did the wrong thing. And it will be impossible to issue precise punishment or reward to all those who deserve it. Equally, the majority of Palestinian did not make a deal with hitler. The stern gang was a fringe minority which had no more than a few hundred members.
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
Benny Morris has written a lot, which particular book or article was it and what were the exact statistics? If you Google "Why an Arab and a Jew fought Hitler, then each other, and died as friends", from The Independent, 11 November, 2003, you will find my source.
From your answer it still appears that you favour collectively punishing an entire population for actions of only some of them. This is not only immoral, but also illegal.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
Another idiotic comment. I've already told you Righteous Victim. Can you read? And btw that source tells only the story of one arab. You want to conclude from that that Jews and Arabs played an equal part in wwii? how fucking absurd. And i've already you a figure. Go buy that book and read for once to find out yourself.
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
I'm not familiar with any Benny Morris books, I thought you were calling him a "Righteous Victim" not quoting the title. Thank you for the clarification. The source I quoted focuses on the story of one man who was part of the Palestine Regiment which consisted of both Arabs and Jews. Is it your position that a single Arab fought for the British? You quoted a figure of between 25-28000 Palestinian Jews in the British army, you must know how many Arabs fought to be able to say there were less?
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
The main point we were debating, the one you stated openly in your first comment to me, was about the democratic wishes of the majority.
The decision to partition Palestine was not made at the national level, but at the international level, so surely is *even less* of an imprecise science? But that's OK by you, because apparently the minority can rule the majority and steal their land and property according to a moral code you decide, rather than that which international law stipulates.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
OK troll boy. I'm getting tired of your stupidity. 1)Tell me how many Palestinian Arabs fought against Hitler. I want precise exact figure. 2)The main point about Germany is not that stupid trash you said. The main point is that it isn't 'unjust' to punish Germany as a whole because we need to look at the big picture and the big picture is that as a whole the german people did wrong. That's the point.
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
1) The point I've been trying to make is that it does not matter how many Palestinian Arabs did or did not fight against Hitler, nothing gives anyone the right to steal land and property from them. Palestinians Jews and Arabs fought against Hitler. Palestinians Jews and Arabs also defended Hitler. You want to says that it is the majority that counts and we should not judge each person individually? Smacks of racism to me.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
2) I understand what you are saying. The big picture was that Germany, as a *sovereign country* declared war and so should be punished as a country, which it was. Note that German land was not stolen and Germany was not divided by UN vote. The Palestinian Arabs and the Palestinian Jews were not a sovereign country and so it is wrong to collectively punish or reward the Jews or the Arabs, but the right thing, the legal thing, the moral thing to do would be to punish individuals.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
Let's talk about one point at a time ok? This makes things less confusing. First quit trying to muddle things up by dragging it to the issue of 'racsim' or 'collective punishment'. The context here is completely different. When we are dealing with future of a region and all the population in it it is impractical to make decision precisely at an individual level. That's just stupid. It is impossible to access each and everyone's role in the war.
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
What exactly are you saying? That We should interview everyone and ask them to present proof about theri role? Get real this aint gonna happen. it's unfeasible. Is it unfair to some individuals? yes in the strictest. but if you abide by this principle then pretty much nothing can be done in international politics. You can say it is unjust america declared war on germany because not every single german support hitler.
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
or is it fair hitler stripped the jews of their human rights? yes by ur logic. because the 'majority voted him in power and supported him. You see the problem now? it's not that simple all the time. You need to understand this, kiddo. Things are not black and white.
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
It was not fair that Hitler stripped the Jews of their rights. Whilst locally he was voted in to power, at the international level, the majority saw that what he was doing was illegal and immoral and so other countries stepped in to stop his murdering actions.
Hitler's actions led to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which lays out the basic foundation of human rights globally. But, again, the irony is that Israel has been ignoring human rights since it declared independence.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
Anyway, we are obviously not getting anywhere here. I'll leave it to the people reading our exchange to decide for themselves who and what they believe.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
Good, I cannot debate with someone who just can't keep up with the argument and whose historical knowledge is so lacking.
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
I have to admit, it is always difficult to keep up with the argument when the goalposts keep changing and you are dealing with a person who has no respect for the individual Palestinians affected by over 60 years of denial of their rights by a state which is illegally occupying land and a commits a systematic demonisation of their them and their lives, and the deliberate erasal of their culture from the land of Israel.
The victims have become the aggressor and so the cycle continues.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
I'm not proposing that we interview anyone. I'm saying that there should have been a democratic vote at the level of the citizens of what was left of the Palestinian mandate to ask them what they wanted. That didn't happen, therefore, after Israel declared independence, it should have either allowed those Arabs who wanted to return to their homes to do so (the legal right of return!), or else recompense them for stealing their land.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
You were the one who started numbering multiple points. I just did what you did.
It is not "muddling things up" by talking about racism and collective punishment on the part of Israel against Palestinian Arabs.
Tearing down houses and built by Arabs on land that you illegally occupy to make way for illegal Jewish settlers is racist.
Indiscriminately bombing schools, hospitals, and UN facilities with white phosphorous is collective punishment.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
3)Both the Jews and Arabs had equal claim to the future of that region. It is not the 'Arab's land'. The sovereignty belongs to British and later to the UN. The Jews should not have to accept decision made out of 'democracy'. I have said this ages ago. Unlike e.g. the US election. There was NO social contract that bound arab and jews into one unity that will be based on majority vote. The arabs want to vote the jewish people out. The Jews have no reason to accept that. It is unjust.
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
4)Israel is not the occupying of gaza or west bank. 5) The Goldstone Report is a complete joke. 6)Self-defense is not 'crime against humanity Just because there are innocent casualties in war (as in all war) doesn't mean it's a war crime.
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
4) According to international law and every country except Israel, Israel is in fact illegally occupying Gaza and the West Bank. To deny this is illogical.
5) The Goldstone Report was written by a Zionist Jew, it damns both Israel and Hamas for war crimes. If Israel has nothing to fear it will welcome further investigation.
6) Hamas is legally resisting an illegal occupation. Yes, Israel is defending itself, but Goldstone found that Israel deliberately targeted civilian infrastructure.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
plus goldston is jewish
coolfire2 2 years ago
self defense by killing more than 800 kids??
coolfire2 2 years ago
1) where's the 800 kids figure come from?
2) There are innocent civilians killed, yes. Unfortunate, yes. But that's the nature of war. Stop using biased language to allege Israel to DELIBERATELY kill those kids.
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
3) The starting point is that Arabs outnumbered Jews and legally owned more land than the Jews but were given a smaller proportion of the mandated Palestine for their own state which was the less economically viable land.
You say the Jews shouldn't have to accept democracy, but the declaration of independence shows they freely did.
The Arabs didn't want to 'vote the Jews out' they just didn't want the land split into two states. They wanted a single state with Muslims, Jews and Christians.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
If you are so worried about what is just and unjust, support Palestinian refugees in either being given their legally owned land back and the exercise of the Right of Return, or else recompense from the State of Israel for their loss so that they may build a life elsewhere.
That would be the just thing for Israel to do. Rather than demolishing more houses in illegally occupied land to make way for "settlers" who have no legal right to settle.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
You said "Should germany not be punished because there are a few germans who were against the regime?" Germany was punished, but it was not arbitrarily partitioned by the UN. Nor is it today demonstrably illegally occupying land which does not belong to it, or committing human rights abuses and crimes against humanity against people who are not it's citizens.
That is the main point you appear to be missing. But no matter, the Goldstone Report may go someway to redressing the injustice.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
Previously, you said that "Not to mention of course these palestinian arabs supported hitler in wwii and usually when u support the losing side u dont get a say.". You now admit that, at the very least, *some* Palestinian Arabs fought against Hitler, according to your own logic then, those Arabs that fought against Hitler should have been entitled to a say in their own future. Were they given that say?
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
"The Ottoman Empire fought with Hitler during WW1, but that is no reason to be rude about it."
btw, WILL YOU PLEASE READ A BOOK. I can't believe twice in a row you have made such a stupid comment. Hitler was just a goddamn runner during WWI. Alright? And no, I don't know what you mean because your arguments (if I can really call them that) are based on nonsense and terrible ignorance.
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
Whilst I admit that I've got my facts about Hitler wrong, you will note that the underlying premise I'm making - that Palestinian Arabs deserved a democratic say in their own destiny - has not been disproved by your (unproven and illogical) arguments, which appear to rest on your belief that more Palestinian Jews than Palestinian Arabs fought against Hitler, therefore, all Palestinian Jews should take all the Palestinian Arab land and property without recompense?
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
@cyklonb1989
As for Arabs fighting on the side of Hitler, well, that is true. But go do some research on Lawrence of Arabia who organised an Arab army of his own to fight against the Ottoman Turks who were supporting Hitler. What of those Arabs. Do they have no rights?
It was the Ottoman Empire that supported Hitler. The Jews of Palestine were part of that empire but they were not ethnically cleansed from Palestine, nor was their land and property stolen from them by the state of Israel.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
hahaha oh really? well first I said Palestinian Arabs not all Arabs. Second, why don't you go do some research. Have you heard of haj amin al-husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem?
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
@cyklonb1989 - Why do you think the Palestinian people have adopted the flag of the Arab revolt? Could it be because it was meant to symbolise the hopes of an Arab nationalist cause designed to free Palestine from both Ottoman and British rule?
I did not deny that Palestinian Arabs were involved in the war, but my point was also that the Jews that were also living in that area at the time, as part of the Ottoman Empire, why should the non-Jews alone be punished for supporting the wrong side?
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
Gaza = Warsaw Ghetto x 10
cymer00 2 years ago
a ghetto of their own choosing and making. The less control Israel has in those areas, the worse off they are because they can't rule themselves. You can see it in Europe in places like Malmo. They burn buildings and throw rocks at the police and firemen. Islam equals poverty and tyranny.
trevormac77 2 years ago
Israel was created in 1948. The Arabs had done fine up until that point. Since Israel occupied Gaza and the West Bank in the 1960s the Palestinians and the Israelis have not been at war, the Palestinians have been resisting illegal occupation. The Israeli army is one of the most sophisticated in the world, using F-16s, Apache attack helicopters, tanks and armoured bulldozers to illegally destroy housing and raze economically crucial olive trees.
And you worry about kids throwing rocks?
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
The place is barricaded from all sides and completely cut off from the outside world. But they still manage to adapt and endure by doing innovative things like this. Kudos.
cymer00 2 years ago
Zoo looks familiar...is it booby-trapped?
drakosha2 2 years ago
Message to all those waging war against their enemy: DO NOT USE ANY ANIMALS TO CARRY YOUR WEAPONS, do it yourself.
A warplane drops a bomb=military strike. A man carries a bombs and detonates=a terrorist. SO WHAT
JUST DO NOT USE ANIMALS IN YOUR SICK WARFARE!
13triki 2 years ago
unfortunately Israel has american money backing its "DEFFENCE" , Palestine has what? rocks maybe to throw at israeli tanks, so what if they use animals better that then a small child (assuming they havent been run down by israeli forces)
onelegacy 2 years ago
PETA!!!
apmathai 2 years ago 4
A pita sounds good right now. So does a gyro or a torta.
KingAssmar 2 years ago
that is animal cruelty
olTOml24 2 years ago 3
this is retarded. cruelty to animals (including this happy scene where the kid is punching the animal 0:25), confusing to un-educated kids..and their just-as-retarded parents.
WeskJago 2 years ago 7
Abusing Donkeys is News? First you Paint them, then you let Bad ass Little Kids B**ch Slap'em. Good Job AP, your Reporting Acumen is Astonishing!
macks3123 2 years ago 3
people have been doing this for years in Mexico and it never made the news....
Edgrr 2 years ago
America has petting zoos. Gaza has punching zoos.
Kirbymcbadass 2 years ago 6
poor zebras
IrishJayLG 2 years ago
Arabs are liars threw and threw.
Jewishfan 2 years ago
Yeah, threw and threw.
RobinDeCradle 2 years ago
Stop the aggression than you'll stop seeing the "lies".
walk4redress 2 years ago
What kind of drugs are you taking?
swordofisis 2 years ago
It's "through and through" you fucking moron.
KingAssmar 2 years ago
i didnt write that you prick!
swordofisis 2 years ago
Man thats sad.
clnmike 2 years ago 2
Wow..did you see the kids slapping the poor donkey? I think they should have put those kids in the cage with the tiger and let them slap her. Apparently, their parents never taught them to respect life. I guess that would be counter to the lessons they will be get in the next few years. If they were taught to be kind to animals...who knows how that might weaken their resolve at 16.
wideawake123 2 years ago
Good thing the zoo isn't in the US because it would be sued for racism to the donkeys...
Bishop0313 2 years ago
It's a good thing donkeys can't talk otherwise they might be saying, "It burns! It burns!!!" Referring to both the harsh Gaza sun and the oil paint.
BinkieMcFartnuggets 2 years ago
LOL that's a pretty funny joke.
monalisasmiles4you 2 years ago
facepalm
CheezyBallsTrippa 2 years ago
Ghetto in the Gaza, lol !
Nenendude 2 years ago
Lets get the facts: Gaza has a population of 1.5 million Palestinians in a area of 20miles by 5miles The colony of Israel has sanctions forcing Palestine not to even have the basic necessities to live. This news coverage is a complete replication of how Hitler dehumanized the true Jews before they were tossed in the fires. Whoever was the editor of this pices was a Zionist Jew.
walk4redress 2 years ago
Oh I see, let's think for a sec what you said. They don't 'even have the basic necessities to live.'......and yet they got a zoo. go take a look at real starving children in africa before you make this retarded claim. If these gaza kids dont have the basic necessity to live they will not be running around happily. Pls don't play the hitler analogy card, it's just cheap especially when it's a poor analogy.
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
DO you even know why Africa is starving? /watch?v=l0W5oBYtrog
Africans were better off before Europeans invaded
Don't bring in one issue and make the other not look bad.
walk4redress 2 years ago
YOU are the one bringing in another issue. I am not here to discuss WHY africa is in poverty. I am saying if you want to look at real starving kids who REALLY lack the basic necessities you should take a look at certain parts of the world. Why don't you take a look at ethiopian refugee camps? let's see if they have a fucking zoo there.
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
That's not a Zoo, it's a joke like the term "Israeli Democracy" when no Palestinian has the right to vote or have representation in Israeli government. This isn't a refugee camp, this is Palestine, this is THEIR country, which is under illegal occupation by Israelis, who continue to expand settlements. The whole world has asked them to stop, and yet they continue, unashamed. How you can come from one atrocity and commit it to another people is beyond me. End the occupation!
KingAssmar 2 years ago
Exactly what are you rambling about? This is a zoo. It has cages in it with animals. Have you been to a zoo before?
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
I mean seriously what are you talking about? What are you responding to? I am trying to understand. Just calm down, gather your thoughts and clarify yourself. Write it down step by step in coherent way to explain what's your point and why do you think it is RELATED to this video and what I have said, ok? start by telling me what you mean by "That's not a Zoo"
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
Yes, last time I went to visit your mother.
KingAssmar 2 years ago
wow wow woah, why the hostility? You sound like a confused fella and I just want to offer some assistance.
cyklonb1989 2 years ago
you are a talking rhetorical head. high five dudemeister!
FundedByTheMob 2 years ago
piece
walk4redress 2 years ago
if they dont have necessities to live then how come theyre still alive? why dont you go over there and volunteer since youre such a humanitarian?
swordofisis 2 years ago
I take it you dont know what happens if you try to bring aid to the gazza?
walk4redress 2 years ago
I take it you don't know what happens when you try to use proper grammar.
RobinDeCradle 2 years ago
I'll take the understanding how the world is infected by monsters than understanding proper grammar. Sheep
walk4redress 2 years ago
When did I imply that I was unaware of the hilariously ironic situation in Gaza?
I guess that if someone doesn't share in your pity for the world, they must be utterly uneducated in terms of it's evil goings-on.
You should try either activism or nihilism. I recommend the easier and happier latter option.
Go write a song or spray-paint something about it, douchebag.
RobinDeCradle 2 years ago
I dont care what happens to enemies of the Jews. They proably get what they deserve.
swordofisis 2 years ago