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  • Can the film community lay off the Templars and go bash some other crusading order? I mean, this is getting ridiculous.

  • What film is this from? It's a weird and somewhat annoying scene; there's a lot of to-ing and fro-ing but what exactly are the Templars trying to accomplish? Not to mention the only way I could see Templars chasing through the English countryside like this would be if they went rogue.

  • @MrsNorris55 It's from an 80's tv series, not a film. You're rather looking at this out of context and would need to see the whole episode for an explanation. The knights were returning to their preceptory in Lincoln when their holy seal was stolen from their banner by a pickpocket. They were in Sherwood looking for the thief when they ran into Robin & his men, thus the attack. It was the first time Robin had come up against trained, superior knights.

  • @sonofherne Ah, okay, thank you. Context is everything indeed.

    :-)

  • If it wasn't for the Crusades/Templars, the West would have been under evil Islam for centuries and no USA or Modern Age would have dawned.

  • @GrandPrix55 Try again. For several centuries the Muslim countries were the centre of learning, at about the same time the West was staggering through the Dark Ages.

  • @MrsNorris55 This was true, no one has ever said they weren't very intelligent people, but as what seems to have happened, muslim religious fanantics were infiltrating in high places since the Middle Ages and caused the East-West division. That's how the crusades started. Why was it okay for the muslims to pour into Spain and take over for instance, same thing when crusades were called. You don't think the muslims were the originals in Turkey do you? What about Egypt? - Christian country too.

  • @sonofherne First, I wish we could get these shows on TV here in Canada -- dang.

    Second, as to the Muslim takeovers, I don't see it as any different than the Christian takeovers -- or attempted takeovers -- of other lands, usually by fire and sword in those times in an attempt to purge the much older 'heathen' pagan religions. There were raving fanatics on both sides, unfortunately.

  • That is so, however part of the muslim philosophy is to convert everyone to Islam, whilst at least the christians other than a few sects, are pretty liberal. Look how muslim sects kill each other over what is the same religion, There isn't a christian sect anywhere in the world who stones females to death still just as was done in the Middle Ages.

    If you look at the human rights in these countries, you have to give a little respect to the Crusaders & the West, raging barbarians or not.

  • @sonofherne You're an idiot. Go study history. Moron.

  • @rlinfinity Ha, nice comeback. The last resort of a desperate, uneducated cretin.

  • @sonofherne Your knowledge of history can fit on a pinhead. And as for uneducated, I bet you didn't even pass your A Levels.

  • @rlinfinity I am an archaeologist and anthropologist. You've submitted little actual fact yourself to prove you are my equal, but you have clearly displayed a contemptible and assumptive attitude that won't get you very far in life. Keep trolling You Tube because that's all you're good at.

  • @sonofherne Hahahahahhaha! Such easy fields for second-rate minds, and you still fail at history, which is a related discipline. I'm a mathematician, an engineer and a theoretical computer scientist -- REAL fields that would cause your brain to bleed if YOU attempted them. Compared to that, your anthropology/archaeology is for the brain dead morons. /pat pat... Next time think twice before calling someone uneducated. :) My, aren't you looking rather stupid now...

  • @sonofherne It's become quite obvious now. You're probably a garbage collector, or you work at McDonalds. At best, you're an office drone with no future. There's no way you could be this ethnocentric and ignorant if you were an educated man... Getting an BA (which I doubt you have) doesn't make you educated. ANYONE and EVERYONE can do a BA. It's an easy course. That's why they say, "Engineers ask. 'How does it work?' Humanities/Social Science graduates ask, 'Do you want fries with that?'" HAHA

  • @rlinfinity - Judging by your comments, you would rate your mathematics, engineering, and computer theory to be more relevant in an historical debate than the History qualifications of , say, David Starkey,or Simon Schama - mere Arts/ Humanities students/ lecturers?

    That Shakespeare was c**p too, he didn't know f**k all about engineering!

    Still, we're all really impressed with your qualifications and interests - well done!

  • @sonofherne "however part of the muslim philosophy is to convert everyone to Islam, whilst at least the christians other than a few sects, are pretty liberal... "

    YOU KNOW NO HISTORY, HAHAHA

    In the past Christians burned people at the stake for FAR less. And what of recent Protestant-Catholic conflict in Ireland? Really, I doubt you know any anthropology or archaeology. You're probably still in school. Your ignorance

    Again you've proven your ignorance. Your ignorance is staggering. HAHAHA IDIOT

  • youtube. com/watch?v=vzIisTqoZyg

  • there is actually evidence that robinhood was actually a knight templer hiding in the woods due to the pope declaring them outlaws etc. Robin would have looked very much out of place at the time, wearing robes with a hood etc.

  • Those helmets are hilarious

  • That was the SLICKEST move at the end! "Nasir...follow them." With the toss of the bow and the sword sheathing. EXCELLENT!!!!

  • When was this on TV. I just about remember this!

    Good stuff.

  • it started 1984 i think

  • Great piece from Robin of Sherwood showing the great templar skills in knight job

  • Thats Jack Meadows from The Bill.

  • Nawet Angole mieli swoich KRZYZAKOW hahahaha

  • Nie myl Krzyżaków i Templariuszy

  • Czleniu! templariusze a krzyzacy to jest to samo.

  • Chyba sie napiles czegos procentowego, najpierw ucz sie historii (pewnie Nowa Matura..) a potem pisz komentarze. Templariusze to Zakon Ubogich Rycerzy Chrystusa i Świątyni Salomona a Krzyżacy to popularna nazwa Zakonu Najświętszej Marii Panny Domu Niemieckiego, zwani także Teutonami a w Polsce Krzyżakami.

    Jedyna wspólna cecha to to że były to dwa zakony rycerskie. Wszystko pozostałe jest inne- i reguła, i symbol (inny kolor krzyża i kształt) inna organizacja struktur zakonnych,

  • nie bede sie z toba klocil!

  • no wlasnie, to jest dobra dowcipna przenosnia, a tu jak zwykle pare osob musi sie doczepic i popisac wiedza z podrecznika z 1 klasy liceum

  • Though I did like the series, the depiction of templers and "what they did in the Holy Land" was an early form of crapy PC (look what it has done to your country).

    Basically muslims were invading, plundering and devastating christian territory since the 7th century (read some articles about the spread of Islam)- killing or enslaving everyone who did stand up against them.

    And after some hundereds of years Christians fight a little back - how could they!

  • Okay Astuga, so why did the Crusaders kill 5000 Jews when they took Jerusalem (by forcing them into the Synagogue then burning it)? And why did they kill Coptic Christians? It wasn't "fighting back" it was a pretty brutal piece of expansionism.

  • They also killed Christians not to forget!

    Listen, I don`t say it was a good thing to do. I just say this events had its causes.

    And Muslim invaders didn`t act differently when killing the Inhabitants of Malta fe.

    You realy should look into the history of Islamic Expansion to understand how Europeans felt threatened at that time. After Centuries of retreat the crusades were their first counter strike.

  • Not ot forget that for the Muslims at that time the real threat were the Mongolians under Ghenhgis Kahn who destroyed the cultural and political center Baghdad.

    This link is not in English sorry for that but it may be of interest never the less:

    ad-nebeldeutsch. blogspot. com/2007/01/kreuzzge-und-islam­.html

  • Sorry I can't read that blog. Still I don't think there was anything "PC" about this and Friar Tuck's comments are actually pretty historically accurate. I'm not ignorant of Arab expansionism as I'm partly from one of the conquered countires (Iran).

  • Ok then.

    The Muslims just have killed, looted and conquered everywhere they could for more then 400 years, and then the evil Christian crusaders came and dared to fight back - more or less in the same manner that was common at that time in history.

    For more read Jihad in the West, by Paul Fergosi.

  • Neither I, nor the characters in this show implied that the Muslims acted impeccably, merely that the Templars had acted despicably. On entering Jerusalem 5th July 1099 they killed evry man woman and child in the city. The ideology of the Crusaders was probably pretty similar to modern Al Qaeda - Crusaders were taught that if they died they would go immediately to heaven absolved of all sin. Crusades were also launched against other religions such as the Albigenses who were utterly exterminated.

  • When the muslims conquered the Island of Malta centuries before the crusades they killed and enslaved the whole population, after that Malta stayed uninhabited for a long time - just one incident of many (or google for Cela Kula).

    Plus in contrast to Islamic teachings of the Quran and Hadith, one cannot find similar in the New Testament. Jesus didn`t fought a single battle or took any slaves, in contrast to Muhammed. And dont forget the concept of takfir and kufr:Sunni vs Shia, Bahai, Alevis

  • Jesus acted very differently from many so-called <christians. Slavery, slaughter and conversion by the sword was practiced by many "Christian" nations and the Templars was one example of a murderous bunch of bastards (who were later burned at the stake by the inquisition - oh the irony). Don't forget Catholic versus Protestant (not to mention Orthodox, Arian, Cathar and other "heresies")

  • Because he was in accord with his believes - just as Muhammed was, only that he had other, err believes.

    And thats the point: Humans act militant and violent, even worse then if they follow a religion who justifies it.

    Btw I am personaly an Atheist.

    From a muslim point of view what you say is no surprise, after all Christianity is a false religion, now think how bad this is when the "rightfull" Muslims behave like that or even worse - as they do!

  • Because he was in accord with his believes - just as Muhammed was.

    And thats the point: Humans act militant and violent, even worse then if they follow a religion who justifies it.

    Btw I am personaly an Atheist.

    From a muslim point of view what you say is no surprise, after all Christianity is a false religion, now think how bad this is when the "rightfull" Muslims behave like that or even worse - as they do!

  • @Astuga Don't be a fool. The Crusaders were the barbarians fighting the civilised and tolerant saracens of the Middle East for their own land.

  • @Astuga You moron. Talk about history fail.

  • @rlinfinity So what do you know about the al-Murabitun (Almoravids) and Almohads? Or about the killing and enslaving of the whole christian populations of Chios and Malta by the Muslims fe.?

    Not much I would say.

  • What a helmets!?!?! Lol! Real darkness!

  • 2.03 bad move

  • wow! The truth doesn't change.

  • Read ya history, they were warped and demmented.

  • Maybe some, they ran the spectrum. Alot of it was just made up to discredit them. These guys got too powerful and had kings of Europeowing money to them. How best to wipe the debt and curb their power by accusing good knights of being devil worshippers. No doubt their faith was more unorthodox as they were obsessed with the quest, which took them into dark territory of eastern mysticism. People still continue to warp the truth of the bible now and hide the evidence. The templars were scapegoats.

  • @sonofherne They were cut down by the supposedly Christian king of France (ironically named 'Philip the Fair') when he wanted yet another loan from them for yet another war (with England this time). They refused and from what I can gather, for him that was the last straw, as he wanted to be an 'absolute' monarch who could do whatever he liked with no hindrance from anybody. Research since has suggested that the vast majority of accusations against them were pure fiction.

  • @sonofherne You're quite the joke. Idiot. Now go kill yourself. :)

  • I'd say for Nasir, this was very personal. I'm sure he would have been happy to cut all those Templars down completely.

  • The Templars always were looking for more knowledge. It is even said that they secretly worked together with factions of the muslims during the crusades. To that time the muslims were much more cultivated (in education, medicine and combat)than the early Europeans.

  • What do you mean by early Europeans?

    And may I remind you about Byzantine, a part of Europa If I remember geography and culture right.

    Or look at the cathedrals that were build at that time, they the work of savages or stupid folk?

    Google for a pic of the "Reiter von Bamberg"

  • The Templars never were heretics. There only "crime" was that they only accepted one superior - god himself..not the pope!! The catholic church wanted their money and legendary treasures (which never were found)so the inquisition hunted them down and killed most of them. Though it was a horrible massacre it was just one of the unspeakable crimes by the church in history.

  • It was one of the worse scene i've ever seen...

    Oh, by the way. The Templars were not heretics, it was false accusations made against them. They were amongst the religious orders who took the mission to protect the Christians pilgrims and posessions in the Holy Lands. They followed a rule inspired by Bernard de Clairveaux, a leading figure of the medieval church and abbot of Cluny, if I remember well. In fact they were much like the Hospitallers and the Teutonics knights.

  • Siward is also DCI Jack Meadows now in The Bill... How times change!!!! Robin Of Sherwood always will be a Classic...

  • They were evil, gaylords and heretics, not Christian.

  • Robin Hoods real name was robert Hood.He was from wakefield in Yorkshire.He was part of the lancaster revolt against King edward the 2nd.The revolt failed and all those rebels like robert hood were made outlaws.over the centuries other myths and stories have been added onto the legend.

  • That was the same King Edward the 2nd who outlawed the Templars in England after a request from King Phillip of france.The King Phillip who executed the Templars in France.

  • The Crusades were started by Muslims.

    Muslim empire expansion into Europe meant Christians had to defend themselves via crusades.The Templars were guiding the routes for pilgrims to the holy land.

  • The Templars were not evil heretics you muslim lover.The allegations against the Templars were through jealousy from King phillip.

  • Pope Benedict XVI has exhonerated the Templars.

    They aren't heretics any more and most of the propaganda about them has been disproved.

  • the templar were not evil, they showed more boldness, chivalry, and faith in god than any medieval knight back then. Grow up and learn to read better.

    P.S. your insult was lame, it barely stirred a single cell in me

  • catholic idiot.buhaha

  • bullshit! the sarecens did none of the barbarism you talk about. read the damn history books ya thick fuck.

  • Brilliant!!

  • I hate the way today, Templars are either seen as Christian fanatics and slaughterers or in other case seen as the Da Vinci code bull. Templars did the same as other Crusaders and did quite frankly, Saracens did worse things, more gruesome and bloody.Disgraceful how they are presented nowadays.

  • I have seen this when I was a kid, in the 80's.

    These knights give some challenge to Robin's men :)

  • The way the templar monks are presented is wrong, biassed, historically incorrect.

    The Templars defended the pelgrims in the Holy Land against Saracen attacks and invasions.

    They were the good guys!

  • Finally someone who has actually read about the Templars.

    They were defenders of the pilgrim routes to the

    Holy land.

  • "Poor? I'd hate to see the good ones!" Ha! Classic Wil Scarlett. That guy reminds me of Jason Statham.

  • It WAS in fact Pope Innocent III whom issued an order to be set among the Knight's Templar to find the holy grail and return it back to him. It was a long war, yes. But for many ancient foes did it then bore a traumatic fight between saints and heretics. It was an awaful period in the crusades, for sure:)

  • Thanks for clearing that up.

  • My only gripe is those long bows would have shot an arrow straight through that armour. Especially at that range. Other-wise, great scene.

  • These were Not Longbows. A Longbow is larger than a man and can not be fired like that. These were skirmisher bows (short bows) and they are no threat to an armored knight.

  • excelent, I loved that chapter, very intense, stressing,.. please put some more of this one: the templars. hello from mexico

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