the criminal FED was voted in by 2 bribed C/men 23rd Dec 1913 when all C/men went home for Xmas ue gov put up $20M to start the bank Fractinal banking means all banks can Loan 10X their assets them Criminals loaned themselfs $200M n Bought 90% in the fed with FA us Gov with $200 M 10% H Wilson Relised his Big Mistake n said this is tha start of the greatest deception in huiman History commited against my country my ppl the Reason us is "broke"
THE MONEY MASTERS a crime ganst america against all
The basic question is – Why should we pay a private bank interest when the treasury can issue the money, with the banks paying interest to use it? Very simply the world order can be one where the people of the world control the banks; that serve the progression of the human spirit.
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Scott Alvarez, a good whole-hearted christian man with nothing but morals is questioned by the evil Ron Paul... Why can't Ron Paul along with the majority of the american people just believe everything he hears Scott Alvarez say? The Federal Reserve is nothing but good sincere people that don't ever want to take a tax payers dollar or rob them...!
I implore anyone who have the time to watch 'The Money Fix' here on YT which illustrates the REAL root of the problem. The Fed are ONLY ONE INSTRUMENT of the problem. The real problem, in a nutshell, is the concept of an *interest-based economy*.
If you have an economy with $300 total, spread over only 3 people, and one of the three loans their $100 for a promised return of $120, instantly you have a money shortage. Now you NEED $320 in the market, but only $300 exists - and this is perpetual.
@YourBrainOnReligion That probably would not be that big of a problem but include that fact that in our system those 3 people could actually lend out $2700 because of the fractional reserve laws. They can loan out a multiple of what they have. Imagine that you could lend out money you don't have! you only need a percentage of it. The scenario you laid out does not work and the scenario we have is ten times worse! So those 3 lend out $300 but are owed back over $5k so they forclose on real wealth
@frankiegmh The point is that the system at its very core is corrupt. *JUST* looking at fractional reserve lending is not looking at the entire problem. And without looking at the entire problem, we will NEVER be able to come up with a solution. That is precisely why I said what I said to begin with. Do be sure to watch the documentary - it's clear you haven't.
I was actually agreeing with your concept, I was just pointing that not only is our economy based on intrest earning debt but it is based on a lot of debt. I don't need to watch the documentry because it is unluckly I would learn anything new about our economy, monetary policy or the world economy. The worst thing that courty could every do is move to a debt based monetary system and export our dollars every where because not only will we go down but we will take the rest of the world with us.
So, now that we have gotten that out of the way what do you think governemnt could or should do to try and correct this problem? Should usury or interst of any kind be out lawed like several hundred years ago and still is in muslim banks. Most people don't realize but most religions considered it to be a sin to force some one to pay interest to borrow money.
@frankiegmh Yes, the concept of interest itself needs to be removed from our system like a tumor is removed from a brain - carefully and thoroughly.
Religiously, it had nothing to do with paying interest, loaning money itself was barred because, in order for you to loan money, you must have had a bunch yourself. Jesus said a rich man would have an easier time going through the eye of a needle than through the doors of heaven (paraphrased). Religion has no relevance in this discussion tho.
@YourBrainOnReligion Do you feel that removing the coneept of intrest from our society will fix everything wrong with our monetary and economic problems? And if so what would be the best way to do that. Also I was not trying to bring religion into the descusion I was simply illasrtating how intrested was veiwed early on when banking began. It was concidred as evil as commiting murder or stealing, once again I was supporting your argument. In other word it is so bad that all religions agreed!
Yes I do feel that removing interest will cure many of our woes. However, it will be a painful transition because we're so deeply entrenched in our current system. I have long plagued my mind with that same question about 'how, *exactly*, would we even do such a thing?' That answer has not surfaced yet, I'm sad to report :( lol
Yeah that's a good point that it's so bad even religion agreed it was.... yet christians support republicans.. go figure!
Well a good way to start moving in that direction would be a return to the Gold standard or linking our money to some type of commodity and allowing people to use real money for exchange. Unfortunately I don't think you could competely eraticate it unless you could bring about the complete hate against it and thing that it is evil like there once was.
@frankiegmh An economy based on gold will not work, especially today. There isn't enough new gold discovered which leaves the economy tied down to a limited money supply which would create the same type of problems we have to day, only for different reasons. The first known currency in European history are called "tally sticks", and as the name suggests, they were nothing more than sticks of wood.
@YourBrainOnReligion I completely understand the draw back of commodity money but your being short sighted it does not have to be gold. The otherside of the argument is you are adovcating for the ability to create money out of nothing, this is very dangerous because that is how you get inflation and worse hyperinflation. Now alot of Economist will say some inflation is good because it will grow the economy the way you can not do with gold but it is hard to control and when ot goes bad, forget it
@YourBrainOnReligion Ask the people in Zimbawe and Germany what they think of fiat. It ruined an entire countries economy and now think about the fed, they print the reserve currency of the world. Our econmoy here was so great that the other countries around the world inported our dollars. Now our economy doesn't look the way it once did nor do we know if it will ever return to that and if we do get higher inflation or hyperinflation it will not be just one country it will be the world economy
@frankiegmh You're confusing a fiat currency with a resource-based economy. They are entirely different concepts. Our economy here wasn't so great - and that's why everyone honored our dollars - we had more dollars than any other country in addition to our crazy levels of consumption. The result is US dollars all over the world. Those who do business with the US (most of the world) _has_ to have faith in that currency because it is [was due to Euro?] the only one so widely accepted.
@YourBrainOnReligion Are you calling our economy a resource-based economy and if so how do you come to that conclusion? The fed note is fiat it is not backed by anything. The fed is able to increase their blance sheet with a few key strokes. How do you come up with resource-based? Please explain.
@frankiegmh No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that there are more alternatives than just gold-based currency and fiat currency - hence my mentioning of resource-based currency. Frankie, this whole convo could have been avoided if you would have -- as I said in my original comment you replied to -- just watched the documentary I originally was imploring others to watch. :)
Just go check it out -- if you have Q's after that, I'm all ears.
@YourBrainOnReligion Once again I don't need to watch the video, I have heard of these resource based economy where there is no money and it is crazy. Most people who advocate for them want some type of socialism and I just can get behind something like that. Does it talk about the Venus Project? I was just looking to have an intelligent conversation I am not interested in the video.
I'd vote for Paul if he didnt want the Civil Rights Act repealed. Shame. He'll never win because he thinks bigots and racists need more rights and most Americans DEFINITELY dont agree with that ridiculous idea!
The real power and purpose of congress, the president, banks is to say "NO." A bill packed with pork and budget cuts VETO. Bad lending history and risky loans No FDIC status. Endless comprimise and using complex math to convince people to say "ok, because its so complicated I don't understand. I will take their word."
@therealaj123 -read his book. End the Fed. He knows a lot more than he goes into in his timeslot. He can't repeat his point over and over. This is just an opportunity to let THEM speak. Under OATH. Let them stand behind a crippled system and take the blame for it, on record.
@therealaj123 It's funny how our country is being destroyed from the inside-out, we're sending money all over the world and fighting in 4 wars. Our federal reserve continues to print money causing inflation and devaluing our dollar, while nobody knows anything about the Federal Reserve. So you laugh, and think it's funny? This guy that Ron Paul is questioning simply dances around issues acting as if everything is made public, while anything of importance isn't made public, but you laugh?
and can Clay pull his nose out of the *ss of the Obama admin and demTURDS long enough to do his job?? It's like listening to a sELECTION year commercial every time he opens his f*cking mouth.
1) The Federal Reserve is unnecessary. Why pay interest on loans when Congress has the authority to print money without interest paid to outside sources? It is unwanted by the people.
2) The Federal reserve is a private, for profit, banking institution whose only interest is to make a profit with our money.by loaning it back to us while providing free money to their banking partners.
3) Advise the Federal Reserve their services are no longer needed and end the business relationship.
End the Federal Reserve the Constitution would hold that only treasury may coin money. I think as written they would have included paper money dollars. Making the Congress action of creating the Federal Reserve Unconsitutional
the criminal FED was voted in by 2 bribed C/men 23rd Dec 1913 when all C/men went home for Xmas ue gov put up $20M to start the bank Fractinal banking means all banks can Loan 10X their assets them Criminals loaned themselfs $200M n Bought 90% in the fed with FA us Gov with $200 M 10% H Wilson Relised his Big Mistake n said this is tha start of the greatest deception in huiman History commited against my country my ppl the Reason us is "broke"
THE MONEY MASTERS a crime ganst america against all
polygamous1 8 months ago
The basic question is – Why should we pay a private bank interest when the treasury can issue the money, with the banks paying interest to use it? Very simply the world order can be one where the people of the world control the banks; that serve the progression of the human spirit.
tigerbutter360 8 months ago
AUSTRIAN ECONOMY = #WINNING
KEYNESIAN ECONOMY = #FAILING
njhth 8 months ago
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Becky0321 8 months ago
Thank you, MOXNEWS!
MishuTaste 8 months ago
Scott Alvarez, a good whole-hearted christian man with nothing but morals is questioned by the evil Ron Paul... Why can't Ron Paul along with the majority of the american people just believe everything he hears Scott Alvarez say? The Federal Reserve is nothing but good sincere people that don't ever want to take a tax payers dollar or rob them...!
StopTheCorruption1 8 months ago
i like how the fed talks about pride over its profitable operations. kill the fed.
FreedomAtRisk 8 months ago 2
I implore anyone who have the time to watch 'The Money Fix' here on YT which illustrates the REAL root of the problem. The Fed are ONLY ONE INSTRUMENT of the problem. The real problem, in a nutshell, is the concept of an *interest-based economy*.
If you have an economy with $300 total, spread over only 3 people, and one of the three loans their $100 for a promised return of $120, instantly you have a money shortage. Now you NEED $320 in the market, but only $300 exists - and this is perpetual.
YourBrainOnReligion 8 months ago
@YourBrainOnReligion That probably would not be that big of a problem but include that fact that in our system those 3 people could actually lend out $2700 because of the fractional reserve laws. They can loan out a multiple of what they have. Imagine that you could lend out money you don't have! you only need a percentage of it. The scenario you laid out does not work and the scenario we have is ten times worse! So those 3 lend out $300 but are owed back over $5k so they forclose on real wealth
frankiegmh 8 months ago
@frankiegmh The point is that the system at its very core is corrupt. *JUST* looking at fractional reserve lending is not looking at the entire problem. And without looking at the entire problem, we will NEVER be able to come up with a solution. That is precisely why I said what I said to begin with. Do be sure to watch the documentary - it's clear you haven't.
YourBrainOnReligion 8 months ago
I was actually agreeing with your concept, I was just pointing that not only is our economy based on intrest earning debt but it is based on a lot of debt. I don't need to watch the documentry because it is unluckly I would learn anything new about our economy, monetary policy or the world economy. The worst thing that courty could every do is move to a debt based monetary system and export our dollars every where because not only will we go down but we will take the rest of the world with us.
frankiegmh 8 months ago
So, now that we have gotten that out of the way what do you think governemnt could or should do to try and correct this problem? Should usury or interst of any kind be out lawed like several hundred years ago and still is in muslim banks. Most people don't realize but most religions considered it to be a sin to force some one to pay interest to borrow money.
frankiegmh 8 months ago
@frankiegmh Yes, the concept of interest itself needs to be removed from our system like a tumor is removed from a brain - carefully and thoroughly.
Religiously, it had nothing to do with paying interest, loaning money itself was barred because, in order for you to loan money, you must have had a bunch yourself. Jesus said a rich man would have an easier time going through the eye of a needle than through the doors of heaven (paraphrased). Religion has no relevance in this discussion tho.
YourBrainOnReligion 8 months ago
@YourBrainOnReligion Do you feel that removing the coneept of intrest from our society will fix everything wrong with our monetary and economic problems? And if so what would be the best way to do that. Also I was not trying to bring religion into the descusion I was simply illasrtating how intrested was veiwed early on when banking began. It was concidred as evil as commiting murder or stealing, once again I was supporting your argument. In other word it is so bad that all religions agreed!
frankiegmh 8 months ago
@frankiegmh That's cool, I understand.
Yes I do feel that removing interest will cure many of our woes. However, it will be a painful transition because we're so deeply entrenched in our current system. I have long plagued my mind with that same question about 'how, *exactly*, would we even do such a thing?' That answer has not surfaced yet, I'm sad to report :( lol
Yeah that's a good point that it's so bad even religion agreed it was.... yet christians support republicans.. go figure!
YourBrainOnReligion 8 months ago
Well a good way to start moving in that direction would be a return to the Gold standard or linking our money to some type of commodity and allowing people to use real money for exchange. Unfortunately I don't think you could competely eraticate it unless you could bring about the complete hate against it and thing that it is evil like there once was.
frankiegmh 8 months ago
@frankiegmh An economy based on gold will not work, especially today. There isn't enough new gold discovered which leaves the economy tied down to a limited money supply which would create the same type of problems we have to day, only for different reasons. The first known currency in European history are called "tally sticks", and as the name suggests, they were nothing more than sticks of wood.
YourBrainOnReligion 8 months ago
@YourBrainOnReligion I completely understand the draw back of commodity money but your being short sighted it does not have to be gold. The otherside of the argument is you are adovcating for the ability to create money out of nothing, this is very dangerous because that is how you get inflation and worse hyperinflation. Now alot of Economist will say some inflation is good because it will grow the economy the way you can not do with gold but it is hard to control and when ot goes bad, forget it
frankiegmh 8 months ago
@YourBrainOnReligion Ask the people in Zimbawe and Germany what they think of fiat. It ruined an entire countries economy and now think about the fed, they print the reserve currency of the world. Our econmoy here was so great that the other countries around the world inported our dollars. Now our economy doesn't look the way it once did nor do we know if it will ever return to that and if we do get higher inflation or hyperinflation it will not be just one country it will be the world economy
frankiegmh 8 months ago
@frankiegmh You're confusing a fiat currency with a resource-based economy. They are entirely different concepts. Our economy here wasn't so great - and that's why everyone honored our dollars - we had more dollars than any other country in addition to our crazy levels of consumption. The result is US dollars all over the world. Those who do business with the US (most of the world) _has_ to have faith in that currency because it is [was due to Euro?] the only one so widely accepted.
YourBrainOnReligion 8 months ago
@YourBrainOnReligion Are you calling our economy a resource-based economy and if so how do you come to that conclusion? The fed note is fiat it is not backed by anything. The fed is able to increase their blance sheet with a few key strokes. How do you come up with resource-based? Please explain.
frankiegmh 8 months ago
@frankiegmh No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that there are more alternatives than just gold-based currency and fiat currency - hence my mentioning of resource-based currency. Frankie, this whole convo could have been avoided if you would have -- as I said in my original comment you replied to -- just watched the documentary I originally was imploring others to watch. :)
Just go check it out -- if you have Q's after that, I'm all ears.
YourBrainOnReligion 8 months ago
@YourBrainOnReligion Once again I don't need to watch the video, I have heard of these resource based economy where there is no money and it is crazy. Most people who advocate for them want some type of socialism and I just can get behind something like that. Does it talk about the Venus Project? I was just looking to have an intelligent conversation I am not interested in the video.
frankiegmh 8 months ago
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I'd vote for Paul if he didnt want the Civil Rights Act repealed. Shame. He'll never win because he thinks bigots and racists need more rights and most Americans DEFINITELY dont agree with that ridiculous idea!
ViciousOneWon 8 months ago
The real power and purpose of congress, the president, banks is to say "NO." A bill packed with pork and budget cuts VETO. Bad lending history and risky loans No FDIC status. Endless comprimise and using complex math to convince people to say "ok, because its so complicated I don't understand. I will take their word."
NickThomas1983 8 months ago
@therealaj123 -read his book. End the Fed. He knows a lot more than he goes into in his timeslot. He can't repeat his point over and over. This is just an opportunity to let THEM speak. Under OATH. Let them stand behind a crippled system and take the blame for it, on record.
NickThomas1983 8 months ago
Hahaha, it's obvious from this video that Ron Paul has no idea how the Fed actually works =)
therealaj123 8 months ago
@therealaj123 It's funny how our country is being destroyed from the inside-out, we're sending money all over the world and fighting in 4 wars. Our federal reserve continues to print money causing inflation and devaluing our dollar, while nobody knows anything about the Federal Reserve. So you laugh, and think it's funny? This guy that Ron Paul is questioning simply dances around issues acting as if everything is made public, while anything of importance isn't made public, but you laugh?
StopTheCorruption1 8 months ago
central scumbags!
slayer236071 8 months ago
How do you know what to ask for in a document if you never seen the document, what a damned joke...
The Fed is a Criminal Org and needs to be got rid of... The Fed is our biggest scam in America...
2xtream 8 months ago
Jews and their bullshit always finding ways to make money. Screw goldman sachs!
dragnet53 8 months ago
@dragnet53 Screw you, jew hater =)
therealaj123 8 months ago
and can Clay pull his nose out of the *ss of the Obama admin and demTURDS long enough to do his job?? It's like listening to a sELECTION year commercial every time he opens his f*cking mouth.
I see more NO "change" ahead.
IronRangeSurvival 8 months ago
The U.S. CORPORATION, see all the "gov/dept" CAFR REPORTS, has a contract with the "Fed Reserve" corp until Dec2012.....something will break by then.
IronRangeSurvival 8 months ago
cant you just give us everything lol
stonevrscx 8 months ago
1) The Federal Reserve is unnecessary. Why pay interest on loans when Congress has the authority to print money without interest paid to outside sources? It is unwanted by the people.
2) The Federal reserve is a private, for profit, banking institution whose only interest is to make a profit with our money.by loaning it back to us while providing free money to their banking partners.
3) Advise the Federal Reserve their services are no longer needed and end the business relationship.
OkieJohn1950 8 months ago
scum
KeepYourFreedoms 8 months ago
End the Federal Reserve the Constitution would hold that only treasury may coin money. I think as written they would have included paper money dollars. Making the Congress action of creating the Federal Reserve Unconsitutional
sx200ser 8 months ago
Ron Paul 2012 #FTW
iTellYouNoLie 8 months ago 14
END THE FED!!! THEY ARE THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL!!!
drieey 8 months ago 13