Actually, comparing the two fights like that, the later fight seems to resemble more traditional eastern swordfighting. Jumping around and fancy twirls is more for show than anything.
i think the ROTS Anakin vs obi-wan fight was abit stupid,When they go into the control room,and then blast each other with Force push,i think that was just stupid,but apart from that,how its explained Anakin goin to the dark side,and gaining the black armor and breathing operator is pretty awesome...although they got the emperor and yoda fight wrong...cause tbf yoda woulda kicked the emperors ass,800years old and he can still take on the dark side thats what makes yoda awesome
Anekin is proud that he can defeat a 60 year old man living as a hermit for the last 20 years after he himself was made into a cyborg. Darth Vader used to be awesome, but when you bring the first 3 movies into context it really degrades his character.
@DarthNemeses Well think about it, Darth Vader and Obi Wan probably never had any light saber duels in the last 20 years. I'm pretty sure any skill anyone has had in that time frame would erode. Also, maybe their light sabers need new batteries lol
@fringelife nope Vader dueled Galen marek and his clone enough times plus he became the emperor's jedi hunter so im pretty sure his skills stayed within a level of satisfaction obi on the other hand he fought ashared hett on one ocasion on tatooine but considering he spent the rest of his life in exile on tattooine his skills probally did diminished
@oricalcross Well to be honest I haven't read any of the stories between Revenge of the Sith and New Hope, but still it's been a long time since people had light saber duels on a regular basis like they did in the first 3 episodes. Also, it can be said that Vader relied more on technology like the Death Star and his personal army of clones. Essentially what we get in the last 3 episodes is an old burn victim on portable life support, an even older man and a noob by the name of Luke.
@fringelife then i defo suggest you read them because you learn alot trust me vader kept in good practice although his natural power was siphoned after is little cock up on mustafar he was still a formidable swordsman
@oricalcross Well if Vader is as good as you say he his, then the explanation would be that Obi Wan's skills have eroded and Vader isn't trying his hardest. He's savouring his last fight with Obi Wan. So it can be explained without George Lucas editing Alec Guinness' face to look more like Ewan McGregor and redoing scenes with stunt doubles and CGI characters.
@fringelife go to star wars wikia look up Vader go to powers and abilities and read lightsaber training that will explain everything you need to know about his skill after he was put in the suit
@oricalcross I give you credit for your imagination, but the reality is David Prouse and Alec Guiness sucked at sword fighting. Bob Anderson fought as Vader in V/VI so that's why Vader got better. Count Dooku was old and yet still could fight pretty good for a human. Yet Obi-won fights like an old fart. The reality is they sucked at sword fighting in the 70's and a stunt master took over for Vader.
@shadowedge69 First off, Obi-Wan was an old man, age affects the skills of the best of men, it made sense he couldn't move as fast as he once could. Also, Guinness didn't use a stunt double, Lee had to
I find the fights of the originals better than the prequels, because they looked like people were actually fighting, they were affected by what the duelists were mentally going through, and they didn't drag on too long, they weren't performing a pre-planned stunt meant to look cool.
@pkt1tripe Obi-wan was old, I'll give you that, but so was Yoda when he fought Count Dooku and the Emperor. If you recall, Yoda was walking with a cane and then uses the Force to compensate for his old age. Lee had a stunt double because again I'm right on the money. The Force boosts the body's ability even though he was an old bastard. Sorry, but you're dead wrong. Alec G and Prowse sucked at fighting so that's why the scenes were weak.
@shadowedge69 Alec and Prowse were new to fencing, sure, and Ale was 56. But they're performances in that field here are more than admirable. I prefer them actually look like they're having a fight than a CGI creation jumping around the Emperor
And I'm right on the money when I say that the prequels SUCK. This scene is weak? I guess it is when you're looking from a popcorn action standpoint and not a character one
@pkt1tripe Why are you avoiding my points? You excused Obi-wan's pathetic fight in ep IV because he was "old" yet I proved you wrong by both Count Dooku(human) and Yoda who used the Force to compensate. Now if you want to argue that some of the fights in the prequel were fluff, I'll concede on that. Ray Parks Darth Maul was total bass ass though. I think the old thing cheap about that fight was how Obi-wan killed him.
@shadowedge69 Well first off I was getting to it, but I wanted that as my intro, you beat me to the next punch. I've seen parks do impressive work, I've got nothing against him, but Maul is practically not a character, he's an excuse to have a few duels in the movie
Also, that "pathetic fight", was interesting. Again, the fighting looks like actual sword fighting, the fighters are complex people
@pkt1tripe The entire fight with Vader and Obi-wan was unimpressive. The lightsabers looked poorly as Obi-wan's blade kept running out of power. The stances were so basic I could out duel both of them myself and I'm only a novice sword user by comparison to Ray Parks.You can say the chars had more substance to them, fine. But the fights themselves were much better in the prequels.
@shadowedge69 And on a separate note, is youtube asking you to fill in the words in the of the stylized text? Because I've been asked to do that twice so far
@pkt1tripe @ 1:58 and a few times before that Obi-wans light-saber craps out here and there. Yes because you and I posted too much they want to make sure it isn't spamming.
@shadowedge69 I really don't see it going out. At first I thought you meant all the way, as in it flash off for a moment, but from now what I think you're talking about, I don't really see it, I see the scene shot at an angle that alters the way we're looking at the blade
@shadowedge69 Also, Yoda had Luke exercise quite a bit, because he needs the actual physical prowess to take on future adversaries. Force training was more mental and spiritual. Obi-Wan taught Luke to use the force to aid him in battle, but in a much more realistic way than telling your old bones not to ache or crack because you're taking on a 6 and a half foot tall cyborg
@pkt1tripe Luke was the best fighter in the old trilogy. Vader was old and robotic which diminished his use of the Force to fight. That still doesn't explain Obi-wan's weak fight unless you admit it the limitations of the times. Like Star Trek's Klingons in the 60's, the Star Wars fights in IV-VI were weak sauce because of the lack of a good trainer.
@shadowedge69 Luke had the advantage of youth but he had little training. He had very little time with Yoda and even less with Obi-Wan he learned from the battlefield which Vader was dominating for years, which started from years of regimented trained. Luke was the underdog
The trainer was Bob Anderson, who you praised for making Vader a better fighter. He trained Mark, Alec and Prowse
@pkt1tripe The Force is why Jedi are good fighters in the first place. It gives them foresight in combat which is basically allowing them to know their opponents moves before it's executed. Luke's jump in Empire to dodge the carbonite chamber wasn't his 'training' with Yoda, but the Force latent ability to jump super high. Anyways, the original fight with Obi-wan was pathetic because Anderson wasn't the guy in the suit and Alec G. sucked at fighting in real life.
@shadowedge69 Luke, to me, could do a few force techniques because he practiced on his own. Basic stuff like pulling a lightsaber
I feel he gained more knowledge with his training and was able to hone his skills and concentration, allowing for him to tap in to what was needed to perform a force jump and call out to Leia telepathically. Ben calling to him in New Hope I saw as Luke's latent force but Ben's honed ability, seeing as the latter was doing it from beyond the grave
@pkt1tripe Are you implying that Luke was better than Anakin's ability? I'm asking this because from the Clone Wars series and the movies, Anakin is kick ass awesome. The Force techniques, the fighting skills, everything is better than Luke. I realize it's because Luke was trained late with no Jedi temple, but you seem to be wearing some funky rosey colored shades. Yoda was contacted by Jinn, I'm not giving Luke any credit for that either.
@shadowedge69 Ok, look. I've seen the prequels, at least twice each. I watched the 2003 Clones Wars, and I liked it ok, and 2 episodes of the one currently running on CN. i am aware of what happens in the videos games and the expanded universe comic books, but all that last stuff because of youtube and wookiepedia
@shadowedge69 Yeah, the force is a huge advantage over a non-force user, but each duelist could use it. That foresight would be minuscule due to the experience of Vader and Obi-Wan
Also, you gotta separate certain pieces of text or information from some book or comic because the original films played by their rules, the force was more mysterious back then, viewers could draw more from their own personal interpretations on what was possible and what wasn't
@pkt1tripe For the 1970's it wasn't a bad fight. It just hasn't aged well is all I'm saying. I'd prefer the ROTJ fight with Luke, but the sad truth is it was because the franchise had the time and money to flash out the combat. Dumping Prowse helped a lot. The char showdown was epic, but the fight scene itself was hokey with Alec G. I'm saying this as a swordsman myself.
@pkt1tripe Is it possible you aren't being objective enough? The importance of why they're fighting is debatable, but the mechanics aren't even close. Sure there were a few times in the prequels were they were just "looking cool" and not really fighting. But if you look at the fights overall, they were far better if you remove the plot element. I think you're biased because you love the old school char so much.
@shadowedge69 i am not looking through rose tinted classes, I see through the classes of a critic who's being fair
Also, it is debatable if objective criticism exists. One carries certain things they can't get rid of, their backgrounds and personal philosophies will still impact any decision or opinion we have in life.
@pkt1tripe I just think it's common sense why the Vader vs Obi-wan fight sucked the worst out of all 6 movies. I'm merely talking about the swordplay, not the char plot. Star Wars was created in 1977 with 2 guys that weren't trained using swords. As the sequels released and Prowse stepped down, the fight scenes got better. You don't seem to agree which makes me wonder about your objectivity. The ep III fight with Vader/Obi was far better even with all the CGI using the Force.
@shadowedge69 From that specific technical standpoint, sure, it is the weakest duel. I understand your argument on this scene's age. But I look at it from more than just that perspective, and even from a technical standpoint I do still enjoy this
That fight in 3 went on way too long. it started off cool, but it went on too long
I think the original fights seem more intense. I agree that the newer one's are more spectacular to look at. But the original sound effects were far better. That loud, ominous humming. It makes the weapons seem more powerful, more dangerous. You get emotionally involved in away that the acrobatic entertainment fails at.
They should NEVER remake the OT. Little changes are fine, like young Anakins ghost, the Yub Nub song being replaced, and that scene with Jabba being added, but they can never be remade. The cast cannot be bettered, the effects which seem crappy by today's standards are still awesome, and ANH, ESB and ROTJ are total movie classics. Never remake them (except Family Guy and Robot Chicken)!!!
Rather than change stupid stuff like Han shooting first, young Ani at the end of RotJ, etc..Lucas needs to pool 10 million into inserting 20 seconds of edited material to make this fight more dynamic to put them on the caliber of intensity as the prequels. Just do what they did with Christopher Lee and Ian McDiarmid. Get a a young martial artist that is maneuverable and can do a flip or 2.Digitally insert the Alec Guiness face in. Edit that footage and excite it up a bit. Keep the dialog!
you know what i just noticed? (And this is after thefter watching this qith the knowledge of the prequels) Darth Vader is pretty fucking calm about meeting the guy who cut off three of his limbs and letft him to die next to a lava flow. You'd think he would be outraged at the person wh doomed him to the suit but no he's just like: "oh hey Obi-wan im the master now prepare to die"
The trilogy should NOT be re-made, heck no! These are the classics, this was amazing back in the day and it is still amazing the kind of effects they had for this kind of movie during that time period to me today. This is what made Star Wars so cool. George Lucas is a genius, John Williams is the man, Star Wars kicks ass. Period.
they should TOTALLY remake the original trilogy. such wonderful story scraped by such bad movie making -_- this looks so.... fake! especially when his stick-looking lightsaber bands a little during the scene :/
it is actually kind of pathetic how much obi wan and anakin have slowed down in the time span of 20 years. they went from an epic battle with lightsabers swinging so fast all you see are blurs of blue. To an old cenile coot, fighting a robot at snails pace.
I realize that Obi-Wan is calling him Darth ("Only a Master of Evil Darth" for example) with those flashbacks in mind, don't you think that he would be calling him Anakin??
Flashbacks should fade in/out and be foggy around the edges. As it is, you've just got one fight interrupting another. Also, if you want it to happen after touching blades, do it at the pause. People don't wander down Memory Lane while parrying blows, otherwise they get decapitated.
Yeah, Star Wars is a great film, but the 2020 remake seems necessary after watching these slow OT fights. Say what you want about the PT's acting and writing but at least the lightsaber fights were done at a pace that will age much better then its PT counterparts. I mean they go from jumping up and around lava pits to barely being able to get to the other side of the room.
@DirkXXVI Nothing wrong with the fights in the original trilogy. They're realistic, unlike the prequel fights. The original lightsaber fights were based on the style used by the Samurai. I don't know if you've ever fought with a katana before, but they're heavy as fuck and you can't swing them around like in the prequel trilogy. And given how lightsabers are supposed to have a gyroscopic effect that makes them hard to use...
Btw, remaking the original trilogy is a shitty idea.
@fluffyinuears Not quite like they did in the prequels. Luke fights faster and with more flexibility because he's in his prime, while Obi-Wan is old and Darth Vader has had his limbs cut off. However, unlike the Jedi in the prequels, Luke doesn't do an excessive amount of twirling, jumping, dancing, and waving his lightsaber around pointlessly behind his back without hitting anything (see the Mustafar fight in Episode 3).
@occultdude17 I think also that Luke Skywalker seemed to be the most normal Jedi fighter. He fought like normal humans do. Oh, and did you know that Ewan and Hayden fought at normal speed on "Mustafar". The duel wasn't sped-up.
@occultdude17 The fights in the prequel trilogy were done at normal speed. No one sped the duels up in the computer. Even the duel on Mustafar was shown on TV exactly the same speed as they really fought.
@DarthRushy I'm aware of that, it was still overly flamboyant and looked stupid. When you're facing off against a guy holding a plasma blade, you don't do fancy twirly shit.
I think it would be cool if jut before Vader strikes him down, there is a flashback of one of them saying "you are my brother" or whatever lovelies they used to say to each other in I - III !
@videogamester07 I know but the way he said it was with a detatchment as if they were aware of each other but didn't actually have a very close bond, Plus Obi-wan cut Anakins arms and legs off and left him to burn in lava inspite of 'loving him', and aren't sith supposed to be vengful??, you'd think Darth Vader would be more emotionally driven than he actually was in this fight. Not the originals fault at all, it's Lucas not making the prequels fully consistant with the first ones.
Wow these boys rly aught to think about retiring and hanging up the lightsabres, they've goten a bit slow on the old sword fighting ability. the yrs clearly havent been too kind!
The Dialog and emotional drives in A New Hope don't make sense in conjunction with Revenge of the Sith. Why would Vader say to Obi 'when I left you I was but the learner, now I am the Master' to someone who chopped both his arms and legs off and left him to burn to death, I thought Sith Dealt in revenge, and I know Vader killed Obi, but the dialog doesn't make sense, even the emotion is off, not the originals fault, Lucas's for the mess he made of the prequels.
I think it would have been dramatic if it kept flashing back and forth between battles and at the end right before Darth Vader strikes Obi Wan, when he looks at the camera it should have shown him striking down Anakin.
You should have had the flashback to where obi wan says anakin is going to be the death of him...that would be truly epic...maybe slap an "i told you so" moment in there
1 big fail in the movies... Not any1, Yoda, Obi-wan seems to recognise C3po and R2D2... and neither do the droids... example when c3po land at lukes house he doesnt recognise it but he has worked there for anakins mother.. big fail this is
@Jcarati So you're saying they are gonna recognize one of the million of products throughout the galaxy, and hope it coincidentically is the same bot they met 20 years ago? There were many 3PO-series droids out there, with same skin and programming, and people mostly see them as property rather than with emotional importance (you would probably not remember your PC you had back in 1990s if it returnd 20 years later, would you?)
I'm sorry but I had to laugh at this kind of. Its all like "We were young once..." shows a clip of them fighting amazingly when they were young. Goes back to now, they are old farts, fighting a lot slower and less fluently. Haha. Pretty good though.
You could put a flashback remembering how Anakin was a good friend to Obi-Wan like in The Phantom Menace you could have put the end scene where Obi-Wan puts his arm around young Anakin.
Did Obi-Wan let Darth Vader kill him cause he wanted Luke to complete is destiny? Or was it cause there was no jedi left in his mind and he knew Yoda would die; He wanted him to finish his training?
In the original trilogy, the point of the lightsaber duels wasn't to be intense, highly choreographed epic battles. They were about the emotions behind the two combatants, about what they were feeling. That's why I find this fight to be infinitely more interesting than any of the duels in the prequels.
@Skeletonpack George Lucas also said his original thought on the lightsabers was they had so much power they were very tough to handle for those using them, which is what the actors were trained to do in that first ever filmed duel.
@DoPlease - if it had been the very first time you ever saw a light saber duel you would have thought it was pretty cool...the prequels are good but the perspective of newer Star Wars fans will be a lot different with them watching them in order rather than watching 4-6 first. One thing that will be a lot less dramatic is the "I am your father" scene in Ep. 5 - everyone will already know it...whereas before, everyone would get blown away by that revelation.
Obi-Wan and Anakin would probably be active enough on Episode III, enough to jump up high and use their deadly techniques but now in Episode IV they are old and tired.
@KoriteZ Obi Wan, knew that he couldn't help Luke, while being alive. He become to weak, to fight the Emporer and Darth Vader. He also gave Luke and the others the only change to let them escape. He sacrified himself to help the good of the Galaxy. It was a Jedi way to go.
Actually, comparing the two fights like that, the later fight seems to resemble more traditional eastern swordfighting. Jumping around and fancy twirls is more for show than anything.
TrueImmortality 1 week ago
@TrueImmortality Or...Obi-Wan is too old and Anakin is a burnt to a crisp in a restricting life support suit...
mercucio61 1 day ago
The lightsaber sound effects sound by far better than any other Star Wars movie ever.
4thCaballero 3 weeks ago
Obi-Wan, best character 4 ever.
angels2online 4 weeks ago
Obi:If you strike me down i will just comeback and haunt your house
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i think the ROTS Anakin vs obi-wan fight was abit stupid,When they go into the control room,and then blast each other with Force push,i think that was just stupid,but apart from that,how its explained Anakin goin to the dark side,and gaining the black armor and breathing operator is pretty awesome...although they got the emperor and yoda fight wrong...cause tbf yoda woulda kicked the emperors ass,800years old and he can still take on the dark side thats what makes yoda awesome
Tube11ize 1 month ago
In my opinion, the choice of Obi-Wan defeated Anakin in ROTS was not a bad idea... The duel, was a good idea, but the end on Mustafar was not....
BabaFett10 1 month ago
pretty cool
muclesmarinara 2 months ago
arthritis caught up with them...
pussiepie1470 2 months ago
Anekin is proud that he can defeat a 60 year old man living as a hermit for the last 20 years after he himself was made into a cyborg. Darth Vader used to be awesome, but when you bring the first 3 movies into context it really degrades his character.
xxGing 2 months ago
2:36
Obi is like: Fuck this im out
HittokiriBattousai17 2 months ago
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HittokiriBattousai17 2 months ago
they didn't pit any music like did in episode 3
Sheauleung 2 months ago
obi wan: if you strike me down now i shall become a bigger pile of laundry than your washing machine can handle
ThePk1976 2 months ago
OBI-WAN: Man. You've really slid downhill since I left you on Mustafar.
VADER: Like you've got room to talk. You're like Willie Nelson after he finishes a dime bag. Only with worse reflexes.
TheDarthEddie 3 months ago
Obi Wan: If you strike me down, I shall become a pile of laundry.
Rad630UYA 3 months ago 41
@Rad630UYA i lold
shadowanubis 1 month ago
@DarthNemeses Well think about it, Darth Vader and Obi Wan probably never had any light saber duels in the last 20 years. I'm pretty sure any skill anyone has had in that time frame would erode. Also, maybe their light sabers need new batteries lol
fringelife 3 months ago
@fringelife nope Vader dueled Galen marek and his clone enough times plus he became the emperor's jedi hunter so im pretty sure his skills stayed within a level of satisfaction obi on the other hand he fought ashared hett on one ocasion on tatooine but considering he spent the rest of his life in exile on tattooine his skills probally did diminished
oricalcross 2 months ago
@oricalcross Well to be honest I haven't read any of the stories between Revenge of the Sith and New Hope, but still it's been a long time since people had light saber duels on a regular basis like they did in the first 3 episodes. Also, it can be said that Vader relied more on technology like the Death Star and his personal army of clones. Essentially what we get in the last 3 episodes is an old burn victim on portable life support, an even older man and a noob by the name of Luke.
fringelife 2 months ago
@fringelife then i defo suggest you read them because you learn alot trust me vader kept in good practice although his natural power was siphoned after is little cock up on mustafar he was still a formidable swordsman
oricalcross 2 months ago
@oricalcross Well if Vader is as good as you say he his, then the explanation would be that Obi Wan's skills have eroded and Vader isn't trying his hardest. He's savouring his last fight with Obi Wan. So it can be explained without George Lucas editing Alec Guinness' face to look more like Ewan McGregor and redoing scenes with stunt doubles and CGI characters.
fringelife 2 months ago
@fringelife go to star wars wikia look up Vader go to powers and abilities and read lightsaber training that will explain everything you need to know about his skill after he was put in the suit
oricalcross 2 months ago
@oricalcross I give you credit for your imagination, but the reality is David Prouse and Alec Guiness sucked at sword fighting. Bob Anderson fought as Vader in V/VI so that's why Vader got better. Count Dooku was old and yet still could fight pretty good for a human. Yet Obi-won fights like an old fart. The reality is they sucked at sword fighting in the 70's and a stunt master took over for Vader.
shadowedge69 3 weeks ago
@shadowedge69 First off, Obi-Wan was an old man, age affects the skills of the best of men, it made sense he couldn't move as fast as he once could. Also, Guinness didn't use a stunt double, Lee had to
I find the fights of the originals better than the prequels, because they looked like people were actually fighting, they were affected by what the duelists were mentally going through, and they didn't drag on too long, they weren't performing a pre-planned stunt meant to look cool.
pkt1tripe 2 weeks ago
@pkt1tripe Obi-wan was old, I'll give you that, but so was Yoda when he fought Count Dooku and the Emperor. If you recall, Yoda was walking with a cane and then uses the Force to compensate for his old age. Lee had a stunt double because again I'm right on the money. The Force boosts the body's ability even though he was an old bastard. Sorry, but you're dead wrong. Alec G and Prowse sucked at fighting so that's why the scenes were weak.
shadowedge69 2 weeks ago
@shadowedge69 Alec and Prowse were new to fencing, sure, and Ale was 56. But they're performances in that field here are more than admirable. I prefer them actually look like they're having a fight than a CGI creation jumping around the Emperor
And I'm right on the money when I say that the prequels SUCK. This scene is weak? I guess it is when you're looking from a popcorn action standpoint and not a character one
pkt1tripe 2 weeks ago
@pkt1tripe Why are you avoiding my points? You excused Obi-wan's pathetic fight in ep IV because he was "old" yet I proved you wrong by both Count Dooku(human) and Yoda who used the Force to compensate. Now if you want to argue that some of the fights in the prequel were fluff, I'll concede on that. Ray Parks Darth Maul was total bass ass though. I think the old thing cheap about that fight was how Obi-wan killed him.
shadowedge69 2 weeks ago
@shadowedge69 Well first off I was getting to it, but I wanted that as my intro, you beat me to the next punch. I've seen parks do impressive work, I've got nothing against him, but Maul is practically not a character, he's an excuse to have a few duels in the movie
Also, that "pathetic fight", was interesting. Again, the fighting looks like actual sword fighting, the fighters are complex people
pkt1tripe 2 weeks ago
@pkt1tripe The entire fight with Vader and Obi-wan was unimpressive. The lightsabers looked poorly as Obi-wan's blade kept running out of power. The stances were so basic I could out duel both of them myself and I'm only a novice sword user by comparison to Ray Parks.You can say the chars had more substance to them, fine. But the fights themselves were much better in the prequels.
shadowedge69 2 weeks ago
@shadowedge69 Also, during the fight, when did Obi-wan's blade run out?
pkt1tripe 2 weeks ago
@shadowedge69 And on a separate note, is youtube asking you to fill in the words in the of the stylized text? Because I've been asked to do that twice so far
pkt1tripe 2 weeks ago
@pkt1tripe @ 1:58 and a few times before that Obi-wans light-saber craps out here and there. Yes because you and I posted too much they want to make sure it isn't spamming.
shadowedge69 2 weeks ago
@shadowedge69 I really don't see it going out. At first I thought you meant all the way, as in it flash off for a moment, but from now what I think you're talking about, I don't really see it, I see the scene shot at an angle that alters the way we're looking at the blade
pkt1tripe 2 weeks ago
@shadowedge69 Also, Yoda had Luke exercise quite a bit, because he needs the actual physical prowess to take on future adversaries. Force training was more mental and spiritual. Obi-Wan taught Luke to use the force to aid him in battle, but in a much more realistic way than telling your old bones not to ache or crack because you're taking on a 6 and a half foot tall cyborg
pkt1tripe 2 weeks ago
@pkt1tripe Luke was the best fighter in the old trilogy. Vader was old and robotic which diminished his use of the Force to fight. That still doesn't explain Obi-wan's weak fight unless you admit it the limitations of the times. Like Star Trek's Klingons in the 60's, the Star Wars fights in IV-VI were weak sauce because of the lack of a good trainer.
shadowedge69 2 weeks ago
@shadowedge69 Luke had the advantage of youth but he had little training. He had very little time with Yoda and even less with Obi-Wan he learned from the battlefield which Vader was dominating for years, which started from years of regimented trained. Luke was the underdog
The trainer was Bob Anderson, who you praised for making Vader a better fighter. He trained Mark, Alec and Prowse
pkt1tripe 2 weeks ago
@pkt1tripe The Force is why Jedi are good fighters in the first place. It gives them foresight in combat which is basically allowing them to know their opponents moves before it's executed. Luke's jump in Empire to dodge the carbonite chamber wasn't his 'training' with Yoda, but the Force latent ability to jump super high. Anyways, the original fight with Obi-wan was pathetic because Anderson wasn't the guy in the suit and Alec G. sucked at fighting in real life.
shadowedge69 2 weeks ago
@shadowedge69 Luke, to me, could do a few force techniques because he practiced on his own. Basic stuff like pulling a lightsaber
I feel he gained more knowledge with his training and was able to hone his skills and concentration, allowing for him to tap in to what was needed to perform a force jump and call out to Leia telepathically. Ben calling to him in New Hope I saw as Luke's latent force but Ben's honed ability, seeing as the latter was doing it from beyond the grave
pkt1tripe 2 weeks ago
@pkt1tripe Are you implying that Luke was better than Anakin's ability? I'm asking this because from the Clone Wars series and the movies, Anakin is kick ass awesome. The Force techniques, the fighting skills, everything is better than Luke. I realize it's because Luke was trained late with no Jedi temple, but you seem to be wearing some funky rosey colored shades. Yoda was contacted by Jinn, I'm not giving Luke any credit for that either.
shadowedge69 2 weeks ago
@shadowedge69 Ok, look. I've seen the prequels, at least twice each. I watched the 2003 Clones Wars, and I liked it ok, and 2 episodes of the one currently running on CN. i am aware of what happens in the videos games and the expanded universe comic books, but all that last stuff because of youtube and wookiepedia
pkt1tripe 2 weeks ago
@shadowedge69 Note, I'm using the word basic loosely, but not extremely loose
pkt1tripe 2 weeks ago
@shadowedge69 Yeah, the force is a huge advantage over a non-force user, but each duelist could use it. That foresight would be minuscule due to the experience of Vader and Obi-Wan
Also, you gotta separate certain pieces of text or information from some book or comic because the original films played by their rules, the force was more mysterious back then, viewers could draw more from their own personal interpretations on what was possible and what wasn't
pkt1tripe 2 weeks ago
@shadowedge69 And neither of us is backing down on Guinness or this fight, so no point in either of us fighting a stalemate
pkt1tripe 2 weeks ago
@pkt1tripe For the 1970's it wasn't a bad fight. It just hasn't aged well is all I'm saying. I'd prefer the ROTJ fight with Luke, but the sad truth is it was because the franchise had the time and money to flash out the combat. Dumping Prowse helped a lot. The char showdown was epic, but the fight scene itself was hokey with Alec G. I'm saying this as a swordsman myself.
shadowedge69 2 weeks ago
@shadowedge69 What was the last thing I wrote on this topic?
pkt1tripe 2 weeks ago
@pkt1tripe You don't want to argue anymore?
shadowedge69 2 weeks ago
@shadowedge69 I can go all night, but I have work to do.
pkt1tripe 2 weeks ago
@pkt1tripe Is it possible you aren't being objective enough? The importance of why they're fighting is debatable, but the mechanics aren't even close. Sure there were a few times in the prequels were they were just "looking cool" and not really fighting. But if you look at the fights overall, they were far better if you remove the plot element. I think you're biased because you love the old school char so much.
shadowedge69 2 weeks ago
@shadowedge69 i am not looking through rose tinted classes, I see through the classes of a critic who's being fair
Also, it is debatable if objective criticism exists. One carries certain things they can't get rid of, their backgrounds and personal philosophies will still impact any decision or opinion we have in life.
pkt1tripe 2 weeks ago
@pkt1tripe I just think it's common sense why the Vader vs Obi-wan fight sucked the worst out of all 6 movies. I'm merely talking about the swordplay, not the char plot. Star Wars was created in 1977 with 2 guys that weren't trained using swords. As the sequels released and Prowse stepped down, the fight scenes got better. You don't seem to agree which makes me wonder about your objectivity. The ep III fight with Vader/Obi was far better even with all the CGI using the Force.
shadowedge69 2 weeks ago
@shadowedge69 From that specific technical standpoint, sure, it is the weakest duel. I understand your argument on this scene's age. But I look at it from more than just that perspective, and even from a technical standpoint I do still enjoy this
That fight in 3 went on way too long. it started off cool, but it went on too long
pkt1tripe 2 weeks ago
@fringelife Yeah and besides, Vader was half-machine and Obi Wan was pretty aged up.
HittokiriBattousai17 2 months ago
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Norway604 4 months ago
Type in: "Obi wan vader intense". I think Lucas should speed up the lightsaber battles to somewhat coincide with the prequels.
zardcat1111 4 months ago
Boy Ben and Annie got lazy these past 20 years!
liamstarwatcher 4 months ago 10
I think the original fights seem more intense. I agree that the newer one's are more spectacular to look at. But the original sound effects were far better. That loud, ominous humming. It makes the weapons seem more powerful, more dangerous. You get emotionally involved in away that the acrobatic entertainment fails at.
fraskydingy 4 months ago 4
Only-one Conali vs. Darth Tater!!!
MrZipitup69 4 months ago
Obiwan: you know, we used to fight much better 20 years ago.
Vader: I know
HEC01 4 months ago
@HEC01 hey bro way to copy off the top comment TROLL
MrZipitup69 4 months ago
@MrZipitup69 hey bro I didnt know the top was similar to mine, TROLL
HEC01 4 months ago
A fight between Obi-Wan and Darth Vader..
Expectation: Episode III, Mustafar.
Reality: Episode IV, Death Star.
Tenacityful 5 months ago
They should NEVER remake the OT. Little changes are fine, like young Anakins ghost, the Yub Nub song being replaced, and that scene with Jabba being added, but they can never be remade. The cast cannot be bettered, the effects which seem crappy by today's standards are still awesome, and ANH, ESB and ROTJ are total movie classics. Never remake them (except Family Guy and Robot Chicken)!!!
AcrossTheStars97 5 months ago
Rather than change stupid stuff like Han shooting first, young Ani at the end of RotJ, etc..Lucas needs to pool 10 million into inserting 20 seconds of edited material to make this fight more dynamic to put them on the caliber of intensity as the prequels. Just do what they did with Christopher Lee and Ian McDiarmid. Get a a young martial artist that is maneuverable and can do a flip or 2.Digitally insert the Alec Guiness face in. Edit that footage and excite it up a bit. Keep the dialog!
Wookiestick 5 months ago
you know what i just noticed? (And this is after thefter watching this qith the knowledge of the prequels) Darth Vader is pretty fucking calm about meeting the guy who cut off three of his limbs and letft him to die next to a lava flow. You'd think he would be outraged at the person wh doomed him to the suit but no he's just like: "oh hey Obi-wan im the master now prepare to die"
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ramjet94 5 months ago
These motherfucking jedi got old and slow!!!!
DecollationsHD 5 months ago
The trilogy should NOT be re-made, heck no! These are the classics, this was amazing back in the day and it is still amazing the kind of effects they had for this kind of movie during that time period to me today. This is what made Star Wars so cool. George Lucas is a genius, John Williams is the man, Star Wars kicks ass. Period.
SingerofSongs91 6 months ago
at 2:40 anyone notice the light saber getting longer?
MrIlovegamez 6 months ago
Ok, Maybe I just have a dirty mind, But 1:35 makes me giggle :)
LiveLaughRock10 6 months ago
I like the classic fights better...they make more sense....
bobthecrushr 6 months ago
they should TOTALLY remake the original trilogy. such wonderful story scraped by such bad movie making -_- this looks so.... fake! especially when his stick-looking lightsaber bands a little during the scene :/
that NEEDS to be re-made, seriously!
KingOfShadows1500 6 months ago
obi wan hey
darth yes its come over here so i can kill you
luke ben
obi wan just kiil me now i cant deal with him
darth ok
ggfuss 6 months ago
the episode 3 fight was the best
this fight was slow oh well
shadowblade9100 7 months ago
@shadowblade9100 Yea, becouse this film is so old. I hope, that they do re-make.
minato07121995 6 months ago
I used to think this fight was awesome until Episode III came out lol.
HayHay513 7 months ago 3
the old fight scene sucks
T33JAY31 7 months ago
Nice but u should've interspersed the "past" duel throughout the "present" one instead of just one insertion in the present.
roybrevard 7 months ago
"When I left you, I was but the leaner; now I am the master."
"Only a masturbater, Darth."
Statalyzer 7 months ago
@CommentaryX Yes I know I shouldn't comment so much, but...
Obi-Wan:Maybe you shouldn't have let Luke go to Vader.
Yoda:Maybe cut in half for no reason, you should not have, hm?
DarthRushy 7 months ago 2
@DarthRushy hishh :)
laurenssius 7 months ago
Compare this to how Vader and Galen Marek fought in the Force Unleashed. Vader hasn't lost almost any speed there. So how come he lost it here.
DarthRushy 7 months ago
it is actually kind of pathetic how much obi wan and anakin have slowed down in the time span of 20 years. they went from an epic battle with lightsabers swinging so fast all you see are blurs of blue. To an old cenile coot, fighting a robot at snails pace.
AveDaBrave 7 months ago 3
omg this movie is soooooooooo old, the fight is so boring lol
OOHSLAX25 7 months ago
@OOHSLAX25 its to old guys fighting
stervthetank 7 months ago
I realize that Obi-Wan is calling him Darth ("Only a Master of Evil Darth" for example) with those flashbacks in mind, don't you think that he would be calling him Anakin??
TheKaceman92 7 months ago
this is a cool vido. But it woulda been better if there were a few more flashbacks to their fight on Mustafar.
krapslappy 7 months ago
It would work better if the flashback music carried over to the current fight.
maxharleyrogerson 8 months ago
Darth Vader: Now i am the Master
Obi-Wan: Anybody who has the high-Ground can defeat you Vader
Darth Vader: Oh come on with that shit
Obi-Wan: It's True, this is the Basic-Training with the Rebellions
Darth Vader: You son of a.....
Obi-Wan: Slave? Naaah, that was you
Darth Vader "kills" Obi-Wan
Arvestotia 8 months ago 60
@Arvestotia lmfao!
dillon10597 6 months ago
@Arvestotia obviously Anakin learned that cuz in ROTJ he just throws his weapon instead.
hulkmeister23 5 months ago
wateva happened 2 Ben's sabre?
227060 9 months ago
Flashbacks should fade in/out and be foggy around the edges. As it is, you've just got one fight interrupting another. Also, if you want it to happen after touching blades, do it at the pause. People don't wander down Memory Lane while parrying blows, otherwise they get decapitated.
occultdude17 9 months ago
Yeah, Star Wars is a great film, but the 2020 remake seems necessary after watching these slow OT fights. Say what you want about the PT's acting and writing but at least the lightsaber fights were done at a pace that will age much better then its PT counterparts. I mean they go from jumping up and around lava pits to barely being able to get to the other side of the room.
DirkXXVI 9 months ago
@DirkXXVI Nothing wrong with the fights in the original trilogy. They're realistic, unlike the prequel fights. The original lightsaber fights were based on the style used by the Samurai. I don't know if you've ever fought with a katana before, but they're heavy as fuck and you can't swing them around like in the prequel trilogy. And given how lightsabers are supposed to have a gyroscopic effect that makes them hard to use...
Btw, remaking the original trilogy is a shitty idea.
occultdude17 9 months ago
@occultdude17 Oh really, I didn't know that! :O
I thought they were fighting like that because they were...well old. Because looking at Luke fight, he fights like they did in the prequels... >_>
fluffyinuears 8 months ago
@fluffyinuears Not quite like they did in the prequels. Luke fights faster and with more flexibility because he's in his prime, while Obi-Wan is old and Darth Vader has had his limbs cut off. However, unlike the Jedi in the prequels, Luke doesn't do an excessive amount of twirling, jumping, dancing, and waving his lightsaber around pointlessly behind his back without hitting anything (see the Mustafar fight in Episode 3).
occultdude17 8 months ago
@occultdude17 I think also that Luke Skywalker seemed to be the most normal Jedi fighter. He fought like normal humans do. Oh, and did you know that Ewan and Hayden fought at normal speed on "Mustafar". The duel wasn't sped-up.
DarthRushy 7 months ago
@occultdude17 The fights in the prequel trilogy were done at normal speed. No one sped the duels up in the computer. Even the duel on Mustafar was shown on TV exactly the same speed as they really fought.
DarthRushy 7 months ago
@DarthRushy I'm aware of that, it was still overly flamboyant and looked stupid. When you're facing off against a guy holding a plasma blade, you don't do fancy twirly shit.
occultdude17 7 months ago
He's probably thinking "dam we fought so bad ass back then"
Alejoperal 9 months ago
There both old and raggerd in the 2nd fight
WhitneyElizabethH 9 months ago
Obi-1 We were alot faster back in the day..
Vader (wheezes) Yeah i know...
batmanlooksgood 10 months ago 4
I think it would be cool if jut before Vader strikes him down, there is a flashback of one of them saying "you are my brother" or whatever lovelies they used to say to each other in I - III !
lillylotus 10 months ago
since i think its canon the last lightsaber duel vader had was with starkiller and that wasnt to long ago from this movie
jcarr507 10 months ago
this is nooby battle i prefer the first fight cause this is old ppl -_-"
MrOngiron 10 months ago
sorry but i think this is amazingly slow and nooby battle vs to the flashback
IIIgGeeksIII 10 months ago
Obi-Wan Kenobi:We used to be way more faster and awesomer.
Darth Vader:Indeed.
DarkDeltaZero 11 months ago 88
@DarkDeltaZero No way! They may have been faster... but they're awesomer as old guys.
Bisbeatle 4 months ago
@DarkDeltaZero But now were old and we can't do all that unnecessary twirling of our light-sabers, flips and a bunch of other nonsense
panthersfan1997 3 months ago
People seem to forget that in the 20 years since Anakin and Obi-Wan fought.
Niether of them had any proper lightsaber combat , obviously they would be rusty!
colotron 1 year ago
@colotron Vader did, he killed jedi and stuff but obi-wan didnt do much
Jamesthealienfreak 11 months ago
man..obi-wan's technique got rustyyy. still cool though
ChinAMAPutatoDragun 1 year ago
notice the complexity of the saber coreography in both scenes, it will make you laugh
thatgodlessguy 1 year ago
Well - Qui Gon was much more agile than old Obi Wan!!^^ And he was nearly the same age (in the plot)
Mandalander 1 year ago
@Mandalander He was also Liam Neeson. Liam Neeson is awesome at everything.
haloguy145 11 months ago
They are not that old in ep.4, Vader is only in his mid forties, and Obi Wan in mid fifties
Danik0301987 1 year ago
@Danik0301987 true but theyre not as strong as they were when they were younger
chrisnygonzo121809 1 year ago
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Liliana2525 1 year ago
The episode iv fight is the best. It's like two Kendo masters dueling. Like a game of chess with the force thrown in for good measure.
1eagleeyez 1 year ago
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1eagleeyez 1 year ago
I agree. The first battle was SOOOOO epic! lol I guess it was like 20 years later though. they are super old now
mazazing1 1 year ago
this duel is ridiculous after you ve seen revenge of the sith... the same guys fighting as if they were in a parody :P
DBOEvilCondomn 1 year ago 3
Ep III's fight was blazing fast compared to Ep IV
ExiledKraken 1 year ago
@videogamester07 I know but the way he said it was with a detatchment as if they were aware of each other but didn't actually have a very close bond, Plus Obi-wan cut Anakins arms and legs off and left him to burn in lava inspite of 'loving him', and aren't sith supposed to be vengful??, you'd think Darth Vader would be more emotionally driven than he actually was in this fight. Not the originals fault at all, it's Lucas not making the prequels fully consistant with the first ones.
Timelord6661 1 year ago
Wow these boys rly aught to think about retiring and hanging up the lightsabres, they've goten a bit slow on the old sword fighting ability. the yrs clearly havent been too kind!
Simonluton9 1 year ago
they should remake these
Splatt1010 1 year ago
Leia pokies. :(((
Anakin53Padme 1 year ago
The Dialog and emotional drives in A New Hope don't make sense in conjunction with Revenge of the Sith. Why would Vader say to Obi 'when I left you I was but the learner, now I am the Master' to someone who chopped both his arms and legs off and left him to burn to death, I thought Sith Dealt in revenge, and I know Vader killed Obi, but the dialog doesn't make sense, even the emotion is off, not the originals fault, Lucas's for the mess he made of the prequels.
Timelord6661 1 year ago
I think it would have been dramatic if it kept flashing back and forth between battles and at the end right before Darth Vader strikes Obi Wan, when he looks at the camera it should have shown him striking down Anakin.
mikenike123454 1 year ago
You should have had the flashback to where obi wan says anakin is going to be the death of him...that would be truly epic...maybe slap an "i told you so" moment in there
DJCertitude 1 year ago
@DJCertitude LOL
leetbarker 1 year ago
1 big fail in the movies... Not any1, Yoda, Obi-wan seems to recognise C3po and R2D2... and neither do the droids... example when c3po land at lukes house he doesnt recognise it but he has worked there for anakins mother.. big fail this is
Jcarati 1 year ago
@Jcarati C3PO's memory was completely erased after episode III
Stormorbiter 1 year ago
@Jcarati So you're saying they are gonna recognize one of the million of products throughout the galaxy, and hope it coincidentically is the same bot they met 20 years ago? There were many 3PO-series droids out there, with same skin and programming, and people mostly see them as property rather than with emotional importance (you would probably not remember your PC you had back in 1990s if it returnd 20 years later, would you?)
Nintendoggy 1 year ago
you notice in the flashback, that they fight look young, pro jedi knights, in the present they fight like old men
Protoalex1again 1 year ago
Star wars 3: best duel, fast paced and emotional. star wars 4: slow fake and dull.
TheEnergyFlows 1 year ago
Genuine human combat, polished CGI bullshit, genuine human combat, polished CGI bullshit, genuine human combat...
MarkArandjus 1 year ago
Kenobi pauses and let's vader win because he's sacrificing himself for the cause.
summer20105707 1 year ago
Obi wan: Ow ma back
Darth Vader: Foolish man *CLICK*
Darth vaders life support system: Simulising back ache
Darth: OW MY BACK
THESOCKSRCOOL 1 year ago
I like that the first ever and last ever lightsaber fight shown in the movies is Obi-Wan vs Darth Vader. It really shows how far Star Wars has come.
TukaihaHithlec 1 year ago
NOOB!Vader won the
one in episode 4!
Darthvader2573 1 year ago
"Damn we got old"
Writersblock39 1 year ago 2
one of the best fights in the star wars trilogy
1Avoider 1 year ago
I'm sorry but I had to laugh at this kind of. Its all like "We were young once..." shows a clip of them fighting amazingly when they were young. Goes back to now, they are old farts, fighting a lot slower and less fluently. Haha. Pretty good though.
DarthNecros215 1 year ago
"now i am..the master"
petersrg2 1 year ago
a flashback is not a full minute of a better fight scene from the prequels! =P
you definitely shouldn't use the normal speed either, cuz it only highlights how slow the ANH fight is.
jfett69 1 year ago
You could put a flashback remembering how Anakin was a good friend to Obi-Wan like in The Phantom Menace you could have put the end scene where Obi-Wan puts his arm around young Anakin.
ninja9899cp 1 year ago
Did Obi-Wan let Darth Vader kill him cause he wanted Luke to complete is destiny? Or was it cause there was no jedi left in his mind and he knew Yoda would die; He wanted him to finish his training?
mrlego1234 1 year ago
The best lightsaber sound effects of any of the movies.
ridethelapras 1 year ago
Even jedi should retire at some point.. lol this fight is so dull
DoPlease 1 year ago
@DoPlease
In the original trilogy, the point of the lightsaber duels wasn't to be intense, highly choreographed epic battles. They were about the emotions behind the two combatants, about what they were feeling. That's why I find this fight to be infinitely more interesting than any of the duels in the prequels.
Skeletonpack 1 year ago
@Skeletonpack George Lucas also said his original thought on the lightsabers was they had so much power they were very tough to handle for those using them, which is what the actors were trained to do in that first ever filmed duel.
ReuWil 1 year ago
@ReuWil
That's right! I had forgotten about that! I remember hearing that somewhere... where was it?
Skeletonpack 1 year ago
@DoPlease - if it had been the very first time you ever saw a light saber duel you would have thought it was pretty cool...the prequels are good but the perspective of newer Star Wars fans will be a lot different with them watching them in order rather than watching 4-6 first. One thing that will be a lot less dramatic is the "I am your father" scene in Ep. 5 - everyone will already know it...whereas before, everyone would get blown away by that revelation.
ReuWil 1 year ago
@ReuWil Actually it was the first one I've seen. And, it was pretty exciting when i first saw it, lol :)
DoPlease 1 year ago
luke says NNNOOOO!!! tooo much .
TheMonkeybannana123 1 year ago
im thinking that obi wan is thinking
"this is alot more slower then it used to be"
*.*
pumpkinjeste 1 year ago
I never understood that part of episode IV.
Luke calls his name
Obi-wan looks a vader and smiles...and then lets vader kill him.
What was the whole smile for?
MrReview4you 1 year ago
I have to say, I love to watch this fight. It feels real unlike the prequel ones. It just is too awesome. Imagine seeing that in 1976
MrWWFattitudefan 1 year ago
ohhh! its got new style saber blades!
TheBlaziken437 1 year ago
good fighter whene he was a learner and fighting his master
shockazulo 1 year ago
This was amazing!
pcjordan23 1 year ago
haha...look at the difference in pace between the fights on mustafar and the Death Star
RORYgaff 1 year ago
LOL.. Vader is a ~weebit~ apperhensive at getting to close to Obi-Wan's Lightsaber..
statesrights01 1 year ago
it s a big difference between the fight in episode IV and episode III !!!
sporealanw 1 year ago
Obi-Wan and Anakin would probably be active enough on Episode III, enough to jump up high and use their deadly techniques but now in Episode IV they are old and tired.
thehalowarthog 1 year ago
just be he killed obi wan there should have been a flash back when obi wan almost killed him
TheDragonman415 1 year ago
Never did understand why obi just let him kill him...
KoriteZ 1 year ago 2
@KoriteZ Obi Wan, knew that he couldn't help Luke, while being alive. He become to weak, to fight the Emporer and Darth Vader. He also gave Luke and the others the only change to let them escape. He sacrified himself to help the good of the Galaxy. It was a Jedi way to go.
Denhalen79 1 year ago
at :50 serious chills
piensedomani 1 year ago
The clip ends just before that great music comes in........LAME.
BasementChampions 1 year ago
"with Darth Vader theres a swing with every step and a step with every swing"
blaze2fury 1 year ago
Editing could have been a little better.
ThePRPD2 1 year ago
it is not really the first fight between Obi Wan and Anakin, it's the second, but the first you have ever seen^^
PropaGandalf90 2 years ago 2
1:05 in episode 3 obi wan must have found mace windus lightsaber youll know what i mean
bl00demon97 2 years ago
whats that song on 00:39 ?
Babitzin666 2 years ago