I went for this in a BJJ tournament and the ref warned me of no spinal locks so I just took his back and got a RNC.. But would the banana split submission work from here..or would that be a leg lock?
@BrokenBon3sx what are face locks? ok how do I explain this... When a man and a woman love each other.. haha.. just kiddin.. theres no such thng as face locks
I read that spine locks are one of the most dangerous submissions. I'm just got my blue belt and do you guys think I'm ready to do this to someone during rolling? I don't wanna kill or paralyze anyone.
@scottyiscute hells yeah dude. spinal locks are fine as long as you are doing them with somebody else who is experienced as well, and they agree to them beforehand. same goes for neck cranks, face locks, leg locks and other "dangerous" submissions.
I like how the BJJ community thinks this is something new , when this is part of a whole Catch wrestling series of neck crank and spine attacks . Sorry I just had to look up this famous " Twister ". I do like Submissions 101 though , always clean well executed techniques.
I tried this today at my gym but the top leg was forward with the bottom leg being the one backwards. I couldn't get the leg triangle to transition to twister side control because of that.
it seems like the guy would have to be unaware of what you're doing for you to get this so if the guy is fairly skilled at the scarf hold he'll probably readjust and put his weight back on you when you try to hip out
some counter submission are fast, this one is obviously slow down greatly. Plus you need to be trained what is happening, IE: What counter is he doing. How many twisters have you seen in UFC/MMA? One? So I guess most people wouldn't be training for it, or know what it is, or how it's pulled off.
@daFBi yeah thats understandable alot of guys don't know about this position and i get alot of guys with a shoulder crank from the scarf hold i guess you'd have to have a fair amount of experience in bjj or have done judo to know how to defend againist this
"If you over rotate, your not going to get it" Bull shit. This is a folk style wrestling move called guillotine and you can get it if you "over rotate". If you do not "over rotate", the guy can very easily roll into you.
when setting up the twister postion, if the opponent isn't very jiu jitsu savvy, and they don't roll into you to give you that leg, how do you hook that leg to establish the lock down?
damn i like this move, ima judoka and the kesa gatame is always used on me but dunno a counter to it. dunno if my instructor would allow me to use this submission tho, dunno if its legal in judo since its a neckcrank
I'm wondering if at the last step before the submission is applied, whether the opponent could apply an armbar by placing his hand across the other face, his arm as the fulcrum, and then using his head as the counterweight. Right at 2:07
I think to get the elbow lock the opponent (black) would need to shift his head (as counterweight) onto Ari's (white) wrist so to create an optimal fulcrum at the elbow. Then, I think he could get it. That would mean black would have to create a certain degree of space between the two, so if Ari allowed it (or momentarily lost control) there might be potential.
Thank you so much for posting I've been rolling for around 2 months now and my usual sparring partner is stronger than so I can never sweep him from scarf. This technique is a must have for me and I will start drilling it asap. Also Ari congrats on the blue belt almost 2 hours of that and I wouldn't need to be choked to pass out. One last thing is there any other options to escaping scarf besides the traditional over the body sweep? Videos? Thank you guys
this is a leg entangling escape with a twister added on to it, you can also take the back easily like this. theres the classic bridge and roll. the uphill turn where you grab their arm yank it down tuck your chin scissor and spin into them hard. finally my favorite is coming over their shoulder and crossfacing them with the arm they dont control and then cathing their head with my legs, this can yeild a arm bar or at least roll them down your body, you'll likely end up with guard
if you can ever wind up at 1:05 then there is a nice submission called the electric chair. a lot less complicated. however if they are flexible they might not tap. but theyd have to be like a yoga master.
Once u stop at the shoulder you can also try an upside down guilotine choke or something because you have control of his arm and his head is basically open for that choke but idk correct me if im wrong
@antistyler It's a spine lock... the lockdown stabilizes his lower back and when you crank you are applying lateral pressure to the top of the neck and spine... you don't want to get twistered... ever... it hurts like pain
@Xero555000 Thanks man, now I have an idea. No, sure I don't want to get caught in a Twister, but I might wanna apply it to someone else. And before I do I better know what it can do. Just like you shouldn't go for arm bars or leg locks before you don't know how much pressure is healthy for your training partner ;-)
@antistyler It's really fun to flow from rubber guard to twister side control to the twister, you get reps in for a whole bunch of really important positions
@antistyler it's kind of like an iliotibial band stretch taken to logical extremes. It stretches the spine and the neck. There's always a danger with an kind of joint manipulation. In the case of a twister gone wrong it may involve messing up disks and such. I don't think its common. If you have bad back problems it's probably not a great idea though.
but do u have a variation without using leg hold? Cuz if some1 gets u with scarf hold, he would definetely try to get a baby position and not let me get his leg...
lol this is alot like what i see in highschool wrestling, starting out he had a standard head and arm, and then you reversed it to a grapvine guillotine.
i don't think that this would be very valuable in highschool scenario the way it was shown here but if you slightly changed a few things you can get a pin with the guillotine you just have to watch youself being on your back
OH MY GOSH!! That's really nice. I got choked once by this but the next time it will happen I will try to do this escape. I learned alot from you guys. More power.
There's no way that left arm is going to get enough leverage from that position if he has the hold locked in to overpower the strength of his abs holding him in position unless he's giving you the reversal (such as in this example).
Look up the Guillotine videos for wrestling and you see that the "twister" is guillotine in wrestling (some modifications). You'll all see lots of wrestling guys get their necks cranked really badly from this move too. Wrestling doesn't use neck cranks as a move but they happen all the time from stuff like this (just like the full, half or 3/4 nelson jacks your neck too).
You guys are awesome, but I'm not sure that you could pull the aggressors shoulder down like that. As the defender, you're working against both his arms and probably body weight.. could you guys show a rolling clip with the aggressor doing his best to prevent his shoulder from being pulled?
Do you have any escapes from scarf where the opponent has the under hook on the opposite side? You just never see anyone move to scarf with a headlock like that... much easier to hip out and escape that way. Thanks.
@geneticman13 - Cranks arent allowed in judo tournaments, so I will only submit everbody in my judo academy with this. They will bitch at me saying, "cranks arent allowed!!", and ill say, "I know".
When you set it up the second time your lockdown is different. In my expierence this "variation" of the lockdown is ineffective... please tell me your thoughts about the lockdown.
The comment of you about both your shoulders on the ground while in twister backmount is good advise.
Thanks for your great & free instuctionals, keep up the good work.
hey great video as usual, i have a little bit of Tai fighting background and this is also used by Tai fighters. I'm just starting in Gracie Jiu Jitsu and all your videos are helping me. Thanks Ari!
I put up the simpler version (when the guy already has the underhook) a few months back. I was going to put this version up also since a few people had asked me about it, but now I don't have to. this will definitely come in handy :)
And if your in boxing this would be an illegal move cause you cant touch the guy when he's on the ground. Did I miss something? Did this video say wrestling techiniques?
i really like the little flexibility quirks from jui jitsu. it seems like common sense, but i liked how you grabbed on to your own leg left leg with your right hand.
Just being able to hook your legs around the opponent's leg breaks the technical kesa gatame-- very useful in a judo match where you can win by pressing your opponent for a certain amount of time.
sickk move, my friend always headlocks me like that. usually i move my body since his on it (leaning into my body) so he losing balance while i place my hands on his head pushing down so try and get a scissor choke.
Would this be even more effective if you were in modified scaf fold because you could go directly into the head crank? I think that is the hardest one to escape too.
yeah, I put up a video of that a few months ago if you want to check it out. it's basically the same thing, minus a few steps because you are already over his arm.
I noticed the second time your grapevine was wrapped differently does it make a difference. I am reading Eddie Bravo's new book and trying to learn these moves...
It can be done both ways. Some people don't even lock the leg (they just sqeeze it together in a typical half guard). The best lockdown is outside leg over first.
If the opponent is significantly heavier than you, is it difficult to wrench them via the shoulder to the mat? Or are you kind of posting them up onto your hips to avoid that?
To clarify a bit better: You could get the twister still but if you don't have a strong lock down, they can pull free. I find that keeping my shoulders on the mat after the initial roll keeps them 'spread out' well.
I went for this in a BJJ tournament and the ref warned me of no spinal locks so I just took his back and got a RNC.. But would the banana split submission work from here..or would that be a leg lock?
Wrestlefan1 1 day ago
Cant you also get his back from here??
BrokenBon3sx 2 weeks ago
@BrokenBon3sx what are face locks? ok how do I explain this... When a man and a woman love each other.. haha.. just kiddin.. theres no such thng as face locks
Wrestlefan1 1 day ago
one of my favorites.THE TWISTER!
MrBlakkswan 2 months ago
I read that spine locks are one of the most dangerous submissions. I'm just got my blue belt and do you guys think I'm ready to do this to someone during rolling? I don't wanna kill or paralyze anyone.
scottyiscute 3 months ago
@scottyiscute hells yeah dude. spinal locks are fine as long as you are doing them with somebody else who is experienced as well, and they agree to them beforehand. same goes for neck cranks, face locks, leg locks and other "dangerous" submissions.
luchador1764 1 month ago
@luchador1764 What are face locks?
Lrdvltr 1 month ago
I learn BJJ thanks to you and now i am a blue belt in France , thanks you very much Submission101!
abdoulshmit 3 months ago
where is your school?
jmperez920 6 months ago
I like how the BJJ community thinks this is something new , when this is part of a whole Catch wrestling series of neck crank and spine attacks . Sorry I just had to look up this famous " Twister ". I do like Submissions 101 though , always clean well executed techniques.
1madinjun 6 months ago
I tried this today at my gym but the top leg was forward with the bottom leg being the one backwards. I couldn't get the leg triangle to transition to twister side control because of that.
yohance 6 months ago in playlist Jiu Jitsu/Grappling
If anything this is a great escape from side control.
disasstah 7 months ago
@Submissions101 Is the Twister legal in most tournaments?
jahoppas 7 months ago
is that figure four reaping the knee?
blah347 9 months ago
it seems like the guy would have to be unaware of what you're doing for you to get this so if the guy is fairly skilled at the scarf hold he'll probably readjust and put his weight back on you when you try to hip out
i32504 9 months ago
@i32504
some counter submission are fast, this one is obviously slow down greatly. Plus you need to be trained what is happening, IE: What counter is he doing. How many twisters have you seen in UFC/MMA? One? So I guess most people wouldn't be training for it, or know what it is, or how it's pulled off.
daFBi 9 months ago
@daFBi yeah thats understandable alot of guys don't know about this position and i get alot of guys with a shoulder crank from the scarf hold i guess you'd have to have a fair amount of experience in bjj or have done judo to know how to defend againist this
i32504 9 months ago
"If you over rotate, your not going to get it" Bull shit. This is a folk style wrestling move called guillotine and you can get it if you "over rotate". If you do not "over rotate", the guy can very easily roll into you.
ms1454 9 months ago
@ms1454
Don't be ignorant: Check out this youtube video: youtube.com/watch?v=k-ELV8PjL6c
daFBi 9 months ago
@ms1454 Well said fellow wrestler .
1madinjun 6 months ago
Chan sung jung saw this clip and utilized it, He won submission of the night aswell!
baddamanben09 10 months ago
fuckin chan sung jung blew my mind, ive trained the peruvian neck tie and thought that was the best...was i wrong
fatmaggot7 11 months ago
never seen this until the chan sung jung. fuckin amazing
TheTruthHurts129 11 months ago
just watched this happen..had to see it again
TheDarthEversor 11 months ago
Mike Hes got 20 seconds.
Rogan hes got his back.
Wait. It looks like hes goin for a twister.
OH. THE TWISTER
He tapped
AND ITS ALL OVER!!!
Jung beasted it
nickepooh 11 months ago 16
Korean Zombie just used this to win a match, I had to look fo it on youtube to understand what it even is!
infoexcavator 11 months ago
when setting up the twister postion, if the opponent isn't very jiu jitsu savvy, and they don't roll into you to give you that leg, how do you hook that leg to establish the lock down?
HomasterX 1 year ago
@HomasterX
That's when you go for a different move.
SirKickz 11 months ago
Awesome move.
Halfredneck001 1 year ago
the principle of doing the right scarf hold is by not allowing your opponent's leg to reach your leg
23bilog23 1 year ago
this is in his book Mastering the Twister. In the book its called Judo Twister. Awesome move!
stinkypete14 1 year ago
I use to do head lock Kesa, but after 1 too many escape and he jump on my back, I started to use underhook kesa, much better.
95ellington 1 year ago
how do you defend it?
I've been looking all over youtube but I can't find any videos.
Legend666Uri 1 year ago
@Legend666Uri dont let him get a hold of your leg lol
PrnvR 1 year ago
@Legend666Uri
There's a few ways to "get out" of it, but my preference would be the toe hold when "the red guy" hooks your leg.
XereZz 1 year ago
is the twister invented by eddie bravo? or modified from a judo technique? if it is then from what technique?
DikkiSeamen 1 year ago
@DikkiSeamen Nothing was invented by eddie bravo.
Blindingraven 1 year ago
ari you never mentioned you need the right elbow on the mat so he doesn't just walk away from you
newerest1 1 year ago
damn i like this move, ima judoka and the kesa gatame is always used on me but dunno a counter to it. dunno if my instructor would allow me to use this submission tho, dunno if its legal in judo since its a neckcrank
f9hunter 1 year ago
@f9hunter I use this all the time but without putting on the twister(no neckcranks). Its quite easy to take your oponents back.
SamFischer1000 1 year ago
would it hurt -yes- haahaa good answer that did make me laugh yes you aint wrong fella
davetherave6724 1 year ago
how do you keep the guy from rolling all the way over himself? it seems very hard to stop the leg from rotating w/ just a triangle. is this just me?
Islandinthesun87 1 year ago
I love it;
Jahfari1 1 year ago
woww, i like this!!!
THX submissions101!!!
submissions101 4ever
seloci 1 year ago
This is a great counter, but quite hard to hit live rolling, especially when your opponent is ready for it. Still a good trick to have up your sleeve
getthetapjj 1 year ago
hey thanks i do wrestling and this really helps a lot
gavinkincaid 1 year ago
the wrestling guillotine doesnt figure four the leg
gavinkincaid 1 year ago
other than the difference between a pin and a submission, what is the difference between the twister and the wrestling guillotine?
drseth00789 1 year ago
this can be a pretty good way to reverse someone when your put in to a head and arm in wrestling
jayw3rms 2 years ago
I'm wondering if at the last step before the submission is applied, whether the opponent could apply an armbar by placing his hand across the other face, his arm as the fulcrum, and then using his head as the counterweight. Right at 2:07
seanpetrash 2 years ago
Good eye.
I think to get the elbow lock the opponent (black) would need to shift his head (as counterweight) onto Ari's (white) wrist so to create an optimal fulcrum at the elbow. Then, I think he could get it. That would mean black would have to create a certain degree of space between the two, so if Ari allowed it (or momentarily lost control) there might be potential.
hidarikikica 2 years ago
@seanpetrash Explain that again? by opponent, you mean the guy in black? cause their legs are rapped up, so i dont get what you're saying.
TheGilzam 2 years ago
That looks like an abdominal stretch.
masterofice 2 years ago
@masterofice Actually it just messes up your back... it's a spine lock... its a real highlight reel submission
Xero555000 1 year ago
submissions 101 4ever...
seronepk 2 years ago 16
Thank you so much for posting I've been rolling for around 2 months now and my usual sparring partner is stronger than so I can never sweep him from scarf. This technique is a must have for me and I will start drilling it asap. Also Ari congrats on the blue belt almost 2 hours of that and I wouldn't need to be choked to pass out. One last thing is there any other options to escaping scarf besides the traditional over the body sweep? Videos? Thank you guys
gr00ms1 2 years ago
this is a leg entangling escape with a twister added on to it, you can also take the back easily like this. theres the classic bridge and roll. the uphill turn where you grab their arm yank it down tuck your chin scissor and spin into them hard. finally my favorite is coming over their shoulder and crossfacing them with the arm they dont control and then cathing their head with my legs, this can yeild a arm bar or at least roll them down your body, you'll likely end up with guard
MrFuckyoueddie 2 years ago
pro-wrestling calls this the abdominal stretch
rwills999 2 years ago
real wrestling calls this a Guillotine the move does not real do anything to the abbs mostly the knne and neck
AlexAbatecola1 2 years ago
if you can ever wind up at 1:05 then there is a nice submission called the electric chair. a lot less complicated. however if they are flexible they might not tap. but theyd have to be like a yoga master.
razorsazors 2 years ago
or take any sort of striking martial art, and if they aren't that flexible then ide seriously question the gym they came from.
KarZyTheSocialist 2 years ago
great technique, gotta try this 1.....thanks.
cygnus108 2 years ago
It's also a folkstyle wrestling move called the Guillotine
kjkent17 2 years ago 2
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OctoBox 2 years ago
all your techniques have scary names
JokXiu 2 years ago
Once u stop at the shoulder you can also try an upside down guilotine choke or something because you have control of his arm and his head is basically open for that choke but idk correct me if im wrong
baticubukcu 2 years ago
if he is stronger than me i cant do it
EUAGELISTRIA 2 years ago
i worry that i may hurt someone with this move. kind of like heelhooks, they may not tap until it's to late...
yusufforever 2 years ago 2
If you are rolling with a buddy ask him how it feels. If he is uncomfortable but refuses to tap just move on to something else.
jiujitsulover 2 years ago
this is actually a real good mat wrestling counter
not including the submission lol
jetsfanx777x 2 years ago
hahah thats some fancy shit. Im impressed.
stu106 2 years ago
What makes the guy tap? I´ve never been in a twister. Is it the rotation pressure on his spine?
And what would happen if he didn´t tap? What would get hurt?
antistyler 2 years ago 2
yes
Submissions101 2 years ago 10
haha, nice.
Gerbilmeister 2 years ago
It's a cervical vert lock- hurts a ton! It breaks the neck if he/she doesn't tap. Nasty shit.
whipdick 1 year ago
@Submissions101 lawl
wati1992 1 year ago
@antistyler once you get in one you will find out
Turokman123 1 year ago
@antistyler oh its gnarly, does not feel good at all. and very effective. check out bravo/gracie on you tube
hadley365 1 year ago
@antistyler It's a spine lock... the lockdown stabilizes his lower back and when you crank you are applying lateral pressure to the top of the neck and spine... you don't want to get twistered... ever... it hurts like pain
Xero555000 1 year ago
@Xero555000 Thanks man, now I have an idea. No, sure I don't want to get caught in a Twister, but I might wanna apply it to someone else. And before I do I better know what it can do. Just like you shouldn't go for arm bars or leg locks before you don't know how much pressure is healthy for your training partner ;-)
antistyler 1 year ago
@antistyler It's really fun to flow from rubber guard to twister side control to the twister, you get reps in for a whole bunch of really important positions
Xero555000 1 year ago
@Xero555000 How do you flow from rubbér guard to twister side? Sure you can sweep, but rubber guard isn't exactly a set-up for a twister, right?
antistyler 1 year ago
@antistyler after you get into jiu claw you let them roll and then you fall into twister side control
Xero555000 1 year ago
@antistyler I think it's technically a neck crank, right? It hurts like crap everywhere, though.
tricksterjwk 1 year ago
@antistyler it's kind of like an iliotibial band stretch taken to logical extremes. It stretches the spine and the neck. There's always a danger with an kind of joint manipulation. In the case of a twister gone wrong it may involve messing up disks and such. I don't think its common. If you have bad back problems it's probably not a great idea though.
DProbot14 10 months ago
@antistyler SImple his spine would brake as a consequence of rotation.And he would be in chair rest of his life...
SSSSRB1N 6 months ago
haha finished a judo guy with this in the last class. great work sub 1on1 !
abcjuju312 2 years ago
I get the same satisfaction from tapping judokas too.lol
fomiz 2 years ago
nice move, really.
but do u have a variation without using leg hold? Cuz if some1 gets u with scarf hold, he would definetely try to get a baby position and not let me get his leg...
galdornenharme 2 years ago
This stuff is necessary at the ground.
Percussions are OK but JJ helps a lot.
redled82 2 years ago
nice
wswhatever 2 years ago
Very good use of the postion and your opp. fed the arm tie up to get to the twister. Good stuff and thanks for sharing your ideas.
rickskicks1967 2 years ago
awesome
pavarchin 2 years ago
Love your vids!:)
elementkossa 2 years ago
lol this is alot like what i see in highschool wrestling, starting out he had a standard head and arm, and then you reversed it to a grapvine guillotine.
i don't think that this would be very valuable in highschool scenario the way it was shown here but if you slightly changed a few things you can get a pin with the guillotine you just have to watch youself being on your back
fire000365 2 years ago
I learned this in wrestling. Good move.
redsoxfanatic2007 2 years ago
OH MY GOSH!! That's really nice. I got choked once by this but the next time it will happen I will try to do this escape. I learned alot from you guys. More power.
BoUnC3r 2 years ago
really enjoy learning all the new ju jitsu moves
laird86 2 years ago
There's no way that left arm is going to get enough leverage from that position if he has the hold locked in to overpower the strength of his abs holding him in position unless he's giving you the reversal (such as in this example).
TheStaffmiester 2 years ago
nice ari
MasterHatfield 3 years ago
Thats similar to a wrestling move called the gillotine. Which is one of the coolest pinning combonations.
cheebahawk21 3 years ago
Lol this looks nothing like a Guillotine...and wrestling doesn't use neck cranks....
TKMSeznam12 3 years ago
Look up the Guillotine videos for wrestling and you see that the "twister" is guillotine in wrestling (some modifications). You'll all see lots of wrestling guys get their necks cranked really badly from this move too. Wrestling doesn't use neck cranks as a move but they happen all the time from stuff like this (just like the full, half or 3/4 nelson jacks your neck too).
Submissions101 3 years ago
You guys are awesome, but I'm not sure that you could pull the aggressors shoulder down like that. As the defender, you're working against both his arms and probably body weight.. could you guys show a rolling clip with the aggressor doing his best to prevent his shoulder from being pulled?
PureSymmetry 3 years ago
Once you had the leg, it would be easy to pull the shoulder down. The trick would be to get the leg against a semi-decent guy.
jagmd 3 years ago 2
Yeah, catching the leg loads his weight onto you, which is the hard part about escaping kesa gatame anyway.
JinsukeHP 2 years ago
ok but what if the kesa gatame was tighter so that you couldnt grab your own arm. From my experience it is much harder to get out of a pin like that.
kingkong792 3 years ago
It's actually much easier to achieve the twister from Kuzure-Kesa-Gatame (the modified scarf hold).
gojuryu3 3 years ago
cool.. keep up the good work. Lot's of good videos.
splitcann 3 years ago
Do you have any escapes from scarf where the opponent has the under hook on the opposite side? You just never see anyone move to scarf with a headlock like that... much easier to hip out and escape that way. Thanks.
splitcann 3 years ago
You are talking about modified Scarf Hold (Kuzure-Kesa-Gatame). We don't have any yet but will makes some ;-)
Submissions101 3 years ago
Cool i like submissions from Scarf Hold, once i pulled a cruxifix from there... can you do a video of it submissions 101, plz? thx
MindInsider 3 years ago
are you not in any danger of a move I have seen a couple of times called the acordion?
someguy00002 3 years ago
WOW!!!!! that was great! great clip!
traphiccc 3 years ago
judokas beware !
geneticman13 3 years ago 5
@geneticman13 - Cranks arent allowed in judo tournaments, so I will only submit everbody in my judo academy with this. They will bitch at me saying, "cranks arent allowed!!", and ill say, "I know".
Mr4433 11 months ago
wow dood from someones dominant position. Nice
invalid1210 3 years ago
nice! one guy at my academy is a judo blue belt and he always the kesa gatame!!
jebcbjj 3 years ago
When you set it up the second time your lockdown is different. In my expierence this "variation" of the lockdown is ineffective... please tell me your thoughts about the lockdown.
The comment of you about both your shoulders on the ground while in twister backmount is good advise.
Thanks for your great & free instuctionals, keep up the good work.
tgwctg 3 years ago
Is It Vital To Do Lockdown In The Twister Or Is It Just For More Control?
Joshua8118 4 years ago
It makes it more secure but not set in stone.
Submissions101 4 years ago
hey great video as usual, i have a little bit of Tai fighting background and this is also used by Tai fighters. I'm just starting in Gracie Jiu Jitsu and all your videos are helping me. Thanks Ari!
SeDgE2007 4 years ago
Glad they are helping SeDq!
Submissions101 4 years ago
nice
brujeria18 4 years ago
Good job, first time I've seen the twister used as a counter on youtube, you've got some great stuff, thanks:)
wankyj 4 years ago
ha ha, Good post!
I put up the simpler version (when the guy already has the underhook) a few months back. I was going to put this version up also since a few people had asked me about it, but now I don't have to. this will definitely come in handy :)
MikeyTriangles 4 years ago
Hey Mike:
I remember seeing your version with the underhook..good one too!
cheers
Ari
Submissions101 4 years ago
bad ass thanks
matman17 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
yeah but when ur in wrestling and u do that u CANT have both shoulders on the ground... that would be a pin
DaFiShYAzN 4 years ago
uh...then it's probably a good thing that this isn't freestyle wrestling...it's submission wrestling/bjj
sirzig 4 years ago 5
And if your in boxing this would be an illegal move cause you cant touch the guy when he's on the ground. Did I miss something? Did this video say wrestling techiniques?
owenation81 4 years ago 2
By the way, this is a great wrestling move, just don't pin yourself! Oh, and you shouldn't be giving up the back points in the first place.
krowtalus 4 years ago
i really like the little flexibility quirks from jui jitsu. it seems like common sense, but i liked how you grabbed on to your own leg left leg with your right hand.
Just being able to hook your legs around the opponent's leg breaks the technical kesa gatame-- very useful in a judo match where you can win by pressing your opponent for a certain amount of time.
great post!
VinceThaStampede 4 years ago
sickk move, my friend always headlocks me like that. usually i move my body since his on it (leaning into my body) so he losing balance while i place my hands on his head pushing down so try and get a scissor choke.
archronosx 4 years ago
Would this be even more effective if you were in modified scaf fold because you could go directly into the head crank? I think that is the hardest one to escape too.
matrix1951 4 years ago
yeah, I put up a video of that a few months ago if you want to check it out. it's basically the same thing, minus a few steps because you are already over his arm.
MikeyTriangles 4 years ago
cool move, it looks like it takes some practice to work, because it is an intricate move
djchangsta 4 years ago
I noticed the second time your grapevine was wrapped differently does it make a difference. I am reading Eddie Bravo's new book and trying to learn these moves...
matrix1951 4 years ago
Good eye Matrix:
It can be done both ways. Some people don't even lock the leg (they just sqeeze it together in a typical half guard). The best lockdown is outside leg over first.
Submissions101 4 years ago
Very slick, thanks!
If the opponent is significantly heavier than you, is it difficult to wrench them via the shoulder to the mat? Or are you kind of posting them up onto your hips to avoid that?
I look forward to trying it out!
ononorthey 4 years ago
I like to keep them on my hips. If they fall and their butt is touching the mat, the twisting is much less on their body.
Submissions101 4 years ago
nice.
groundnpound702 4 years ago
Why don't you get the twister if you overrotate?
Demonstormlord 4 years ago
Demon:
To clarify a bit better: You could get the twister still but if you don't have a strong lock down, they can pull free. I find that keeping my shoulders on the mat after the initial roll keeps them 'spread out' well.
Submissions101 4 years ago
superb as usual
razzsupermccool 4 years ago