Alla eseis Alvanoi min xereste, oso kathsterimenos einai o Neo-Ellinas einai kai o typikos Alvanos tou 2011, oute eseis exete anosia stin malakia distixos. Edo sta valkania kathomaste kai vrizomaste kai siga siga glistrame olo kai pio vathia stin tripa pou mas etoimasane oi Evropeoi. Andi na enothoume opos palia na dioksoume ksenous eisvoleis apo ta edafi kai tis tsepes mas virzomaste metaksi mas. Sta tetia mou omos, maresi opos einai to bourdelo mas, viva balkania re!!!
Kala, afto to video exei mazepis tou pio kathisterimenous Neo Ellines sto planiti. Kita to allon apo pano ton ultraviolet, vrizie kai den kseri kan ti leei, aplos petaei leksis pou exei akousi.
To provlima einai oti o Neo Ellinas den diavazei vivlia, kai etsi exei mono apopsis xoris na ipostirizonde apo kapia gegononda, simvanda, i plirofories, aplos pianei ta misa pou oti lene oi akoma pio kathisterimenoi politikoi mas kai nomizei oti mafta pou leei ipostirizi tin Ellada. Re pou bleksame.
Bravo Jani. You are very brave man. We know how difficult is in Greece to declare Albanian roots. But don't worry brother. The day is coming. ;) Do te bashkonemi.
Tema: Crack from the laughs when we say that language Arvanita = Albanian language, while arvanitas = Greek(face book) ,dhikimou protoboulia gia na apodhikso tin alithia oti ta arvanitika = albanika .Eos simera 34 post,kai tou laxiston 200 ksenoi episimones stirizoun afto pou leo .Tha pane kai 400-500 .Sas perimeno stin dhimosia sizitisi
greeks have no clue what he's saying hahahahahahagagagag its just funny how greeks what to make arvanites some kind of a "greek" tribe hahahah way to funny, beyond logikes
@unfukkkmee sorry to disappoint you pal but DNA studies suggest otherwise i.e. albanians have the oldest DNA in europe! read Cavallai-sforza's studies! if anybody is mixed modern gayreeks are the following: albanians/arvanites, slavs, avars, wallachians, arabs, persians and last but not least turks. northwestern greeks seem to be the true ancient helenes as they have identical DNA to albanians.
the rest of you dark skinned pakistani looking asians claiming ancient heritage lmao
albanians are not illyrians albanians are one bunch of turk-mongols
@hekoka burn in hell brit. ur crazy slavo-british propaganda u have no idea from history u sickest liar . the slavs are niggers(tatars) but they are mixed race with albanians and romanians and are whites
@unfukkkmee haha you monrel, you cocktail of a man. greek paranoia spews lies incessantly but genetic studies show different, thank god for the DNA haha
albanian DNA is in opposite spectrum of the slavic DNA let alone your brothers turks
if arvanites are greek then how come they speak albanian and how come theyre called arvaniti and the greeks cant comprehend a single word of arvanitika.
greeks are closer to turk mongols than any balkan nation will ever be! you even look like them you pakis
@unfukkkmee you are talking about ancient greeks mate, todays greeks are a cocktail of turk, slav, albanian, persian, avar, arab and ethiopian that is why many greeks look like mixed race and pakistani. you homosexual hahaha
@unfukkkmee hahaha lmao at your channel you fucking freak looking frankenstein you got so much hate in you that you hate your own mother. im gonna keep your channel as souvenir to show everybody what retarded people are out there. for a minute i thought you were joking hahahah ROFL
@unfukkkmee haha actually no shes not, my ex girlfriend was and i've been to albania, kosova and montenegro. i can also speak albo quite well. you little poor greek, it was the UK and western europe that bailed you out of your economic turmoil when you started destroying your own country. we spoonfeed you you little gypsy scum.
@ultravioleNt87 ισα ρε απογονε του περικλη και του λεωνιδα...αυτους στους οποιους ευχεσαι να ψοφησουν και ιδιαιτερα[αρβανιτες,βλαχοι]να ξερεις ειναι η ραχοκοκκαλια του εθνους που λεγεται ελλαδα....
@ultravioleNt87 alla xoris arbanites den tha eixes thn eleytheria poy exeis simera , giath polemisame genaia sto plai sas. kai katarxas yparxoune polla poy den ksereis. h arbanites kratisane thn orthodoksi pisti kai sfaksane gia xari sas toys mousoulmanous albanoys alla poy na ksereis esei paidi moy eisai entelos anthropos poy mila xoris na gnorizei istoria kai alithies . kai ama theleis brise me kane me alla ekei fainete pos esei den eisai ellinas giath h ellines htane logiki kai oxi malakes
@chrysabra οι αρβανιτες δεν εσφαξαν μονοι τους τους μουσουλμανους...αμαν αυτη η ιστορια.Δεν αμφιβαλλει κανεις για την συενεισφορα των αρβανιτων,αλλα μερικοι υπερβαλλετε.Κολοκοτρωνης,Καραισκακης,Κατσαντωνης,Διακος,Ανδρουτσος οι Ψαριανοι και οι Κασιωτες ναυτικοι,ο μπουρλοτιερης Καναρης,ο Μακρυγιαννης δεν ηταν αρβανιτες.Οποτε μην υπερβαλλετε μερικοι εδω περα
@ultravioleNt87 yati den pate na gamithite esis gamimeni pustes elines se oles tous eones, zita to pio pallio ethno stous balkanes, zita i megali ALBANIA, gamotin elada sas monopana elines
@ktm066 "southern land?where athena.???" central greece (including Athens) and peloponnese.
In 1814 there were no cameras and enslaved Greeks didn't use to pose for painters.
Fustanella is an italian word. Anyway. Residents of southern Balkans have always worn skirt-like clothes. See ancient Greeks (who made fun of Persians, for wearing trousers), see priests and monks, see Byzantine border-wariors who wore podea etc. There is no exclusivity in Balkan fashion.
"ALSO tell me why greeks killed arvanties rapped,stole,If they were greeks why would they do this?"
I've never heard about this. Which Arvanites? Cause in my village only Ottomans and Nazis have killed people massively during the last two centuries.
"why were you not allowed to speak your mother language in public?"The Arvanitis vice-president of the greek government, Pangalos, speaks in Arvanitic to his voters.
you are saying that many famous people in Greece were Arvanites!!
God bless them!!
- why you guys don't agree that greeks and arvanites are different nationalities - DIFFERENT BLOOD!
im having hard time understanding your position - -> here is a suggestion: why don't you guys just call yourselves ARVANITES - not greeks not albanians - you are who you are - just preserve your culture and your language that defines you!
you had a great past - I wish you a great future too!!
@tonyk524 "different nationalities - DIFFERENT BLOOD!"
History and genetists have never proved such a thing. That's totally your theory, which I respect but not accept...
We are definitely Arvanites and we did have a great past. But being Greek doesn't exclude being Arvanite or Vlach or Pontian or Cypriot or Macedonian or Cretan or Sarakatsanos or Tsakonian or Maniot etc. It's like saying that a Tosk should not call himself Albanian as well, but just Tosk.
@tonyk524 I'm very proud of who I am and very comfortable about it. I just have a different point of view. You apparently think that characteristics like common language and DNA make nations (what about Austrians-Germans, Bosniaks-Serbs, Pakistanis-Indians, Romanians-Moldavians etc.?). Personally, I've found out that ONLY common fights make nations. All Greek sub-groups have common fights against Turks, Bulgarians, Italians and Germans. That's what made them one nation.
@tonyk524 Of course, common Roman ancestry (Eastern Roman Empire, Romioi), common greek heritage (my grandfather's grandfather, born in 1850, was named Kimon-not a christian name-, after the famous Athenian general. I mean that even 160 years ago my ancestors thought they were descendants of ancient Hellenes), common religion and common church language made things easier for the formation of the modern greek nation. But if there were not all those fights, there wouldn't be any Greeks by now.
As far as fustanella is concerned, I can inform you that all residents of Southern mainland Greece used to wear it before 1821, even if they were not Arvanites. The first part of Greece to be independent was southern Greece and that's why the national greek costume is the fustanella. It's not about stealing. If I wear jeans, am I stealing American traditional costume? I don't think so. Also, greek fustanella is shorter than the Albanian...
@hekoka You should tell this to a greek bearing the fustanella and I'm sure that he'll exercise (fortunally for your ass) his homosexual insticts on you!
@soisodoeht no thanks for him to exercise his inborn homo instincts id have to be a fellow gayreek! the thing is that yes you are a greek just as much as a scottish man is british, a part of a union. you are greek but you dont descend from the helenes and this is a fact you just cant deny it. your heritage is like that of all albanian! do you know why? because you speak a language that a fellow greek understands as much as he does swedish! and albanians understand it perfectly, weird huh?
@hekoka First of all, when the Arvanites arrived in southern Greece, they didn't just settle in a deserted place, but they mixed with local population. Secondly, what makes you think that Arvanites are definitely not descendants of ancient Hellenes?Their origins are from northern Epirus where only Hellenes dwelt during the Antiquity, and, believe me, peoples and genes cannot disappear so easily as you may suppose.
Modern greek is the descendant of ancient attic greek,an ancient hellenic idiom.
@soisodoeht cast aside all wishful thinking, emotions and illusions! albanian and the greek language (modern at least) are two very different languages. of course they bear similarities just as all IE languages do! where your theory gets "obliterated" is in the fact that albanians can perfectly understand arvanitika. the name arvan/arban/arber/alban is technically the same thing.
greeks are nuts to think that the ancient macedonians and epirotans were helenes! they were different peoples
@hekoka Ancient Attic-greek authors thought that Eleans (greek tribe living around ancient Olympia, where all Hellenes would gather to do the Olympic games) spoke a "too barbaric" language to understand. Even then the Attic greek was quite different from Elean greek (which belonged to the NW greek dialect subgroup, like Epirotan Greek). Also, my hypothesis was not about the whole language but about common elements.
Ancient Macedonians and Epirotans were nuts enough to claim by themselves...
@hekoka ... that they were Hellenes! For example, Philip the second participated in ancient Olympic Games (only Hellenes would participate) claimed to be descendant of Hercules, while Olympias, his Epirotan wife, claimed to be descendant of Achilles, the chief of the ancient greek tribes of Myrmidones and Hellenes (!!! then refering only to specific greek tribe) during Trojan War. When Alexander the Great arrived to Troy, he kneed and kissed the land where his ancestor had been killed.
-arvanites cant be the direct descendants of ancient hellenes because arvanites speak albanian aka arvanitika aka shqip, albanese, arnaoutce etc while hellenes spoke/speak another language.
- your attempt to claim the ancient epirotans and macedonians as nuts is pathetic! it just shows how history can be altered as people wish. history = propaganda. youre nuts
-philip of macedon participated in the olympic games because he was the conquerer and owned the set, he did as he pleased!
@hekoka By the way Alexander the Great was so non-Hellene, that he'd always sleep with his favourite book, Homer's Iliad, under his head! You know Homer, the one who wrote in aeolic-ionic (minor asian) hellenic dialect...
- i have read the iliad and as a kid my father would always tell me the story to sleep
- there is a factor called "reality" which you and other arvanites like you obviously completely intentionally disregard because what you "really" are and what you "think" you are or what you wish to be are two different worlds.
- youre evidence is myths and fairy tales as told by grandmothers and not academic scholars who say the opposite of what you claim, read it yourself!
1) Did your father read the original text of Iliad in aeolic-ionic greek?
2)Everybody can be whateve they wanna be.
3)My evidence (not proof) is the myths that proved, according to Alexander's family, their noble greek ancestry. Most academic scholars use those myths for their research. For example, Schliemann discovered Troy, reading those kinda myths about Trojan war etc.
4)The only possibility for the Arvanites not to be related at all to the ancient Hellenes..
@hekoka ...is to be a non-indigenous, non-Balkanian people. Do you think so? I don't...
5)That's irony to your answer.
6)Philip II was not the first Macedonian king to participate in Olympic Games. That was Alexander I (150 years before Philip II, 504 BC, when Macedon was a minor kingdom).
@hekoka Spartans, Thebans, Epirotans, Arcadians etc. spoke different idioms that may have evolved differently. For example, Spartan has evolved in Tsakonian and Griko dialects. Attic in Koine, modern greek and Pontic Greek dialects etc. Maybe some elements of the Arvanit language (and the Albanian too) are evolved Epirotan greek elements. Also, languages don't make nationalities, but people do.
Btw, you don't have to be gay, so that an insulted fustanella-bearing Greek can "fuck" you!
@ktm066 The word Turk was used to describe muslims, the word Romios to describe orthodox christians, the word Frank to describe catholic christians etc. I don't accuse the ancestors of all modern Albanians of collaborating with Turks against Arvanites, but part of them. Why do you blame only Tosks? Do you have any evidence? Cause I know about Ali Pasha and his army, Laliotes of Peloponnese and generally muslim Albanians who fought Arvanites and Greeks, but don't know their actual origins.
@ktm066 I'd fight for anyone that is not nationalist and does not serve interests of imperialists.
My ancestors did not fight for greeks but with other greeks agianst Turks, Bulgarians, Nazis, fascist Italians etc.
Also, when a "brother" chooses to fight against his brother, he is no brother anymore. Killing him for his betrayal is the ultimate solution and was used, for instance, for the Cham (among others) collaborators of the Nazis-fascists in Epirus, Nenekos and his followers in 1826etc..
please understand that NO nation assimilates easily! It took years of harsh DISCRIMINATION from the Greeks to beat the Arvanites down to accepting the new greek identity!!!
You have to always remember how much your ancestors suffered before you swear on your greek tormentors and denounce the nationality of your grandfathers !!!!
But now they are starting to see the truth and stop being brainwashed by the greeks!
@papagamias@papagamias you illiterate greek shouvinist!! Don't try to reinvent history - JUST READ IT! See what the historians say - the world scientists who have done research on the matter and have FACTS to prove it!
ALBANIANS are the oldest inhabitants of the Balkans, being direct decendents of the ILLYRIANS !
- and ARVANITES are ALBANIAN!
Unfortunately, they are a typical case of the ASSIMILATED PEOPLE!!! Capisce???
We say Albanos and Arvanitis. So do we say Gallos & Gallitits? Agglos & Agglitis? Tourkos & Tourkitis? .... NO
Why? Because the nation of Albanians are called Albanoi. Arvanites are people that have a common thing wit Albanians but ARE NOT ALBANIANS. The common thing was the dialect. Arvanites were speakers of Greek and Turkish too.
The reason they had an Albanian-based (but half greek of course) dialect is that they worked in the Ottoman army and that was at 80% Albanian.
@papagamias you illiterate greek shouvinist!! Don't try to reinvent history - JUST READ IT! See what the historians say - the world scientists who have done research on the matter and have FACTS to prove it!
ALBANIANS are the oldest inhabitants of the Balcans, being direct decendents of the ILLYRIANS !
- and ARVANITES are ALBANIAN!
Unfortunately, they are a typical case of the ASSIMILATED PEOPLE!!! Capisce???
Poor albanians think they are going to win with their bullshit, they have become equally ridiculous with FYROMians.
First they tell the world they are Illyrians - there is not a single proof of that. Illyrians lived in Croatia-Bosnia-Montenegro, thus north of the lands they occupy now.Then they try to claim even Greek Epirots.
Then they claim Arvanites to be Albanians.
According to Albanians all English speaking Indians are Anglosaxons and all Russian speaking Chechens are Russian.
sto tepeleni milane ellenika ne re malaka milane afu exune 20 kronia dulevune stin elada milane elinika pjos to arniete esi arnithikate ola pusti elina
"Arvanitis a:, female. -itissa Albanian ethnicity or descent and resident of Albania. 2 Greek of Albanian origin living in Greece. 3 Joined. stubborn, obstinate, revengeful. 4 in Epirus, the north wind. "
"Arvanitaki the: Albanian kid. 2 Christian Arvanitis warrior. "
"Arvanitia the: The Albanian ethnic. 2 the land of the Albanians. 3 horde Albanian invaders
ΑΣ ΜΗΝ ΞΕΧΝΑΜΕ ΒΕΒΑΙΑ ΟΤΙ ΜΕΧΡΙ ΠΡΙΝ 15 ΧΡΟΝΙΑ Η ΣΥΝΤΡΙΠΤΙΚΗ ΠΛΕΙΟΨΗΦΙΑ ΤΟΥ ΠΛΗΘΥΣΜΟΥ ΜΕΤΑΞΥ ΚΑΚΑΒΙΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΕΠΕΛΕΝΙΟΥ ΜΙΛΟΥΣΕ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΑ !!! ΚΑΙ ΜΑΛΙΣΤΑ ΚΑΛΥΤΕΡΑ ΚΑΙ ΓΝΗΣΙΟΤΕΡΑ ΑΠΟ ΤΟΥΣ ΑΘΗΝΑΙΟΥΣ... ΑΣ ΟΨΕΤΑΙ Ο ΣΑΜΑΡΑΣ ΠΟΥ ΑΔΕΙΑΣΕ ΤΗΝ Β.ΗΠΕΙΡΟ...
ΦΙΛΕ ΚΟΡΟΙΔΟ ΑΡΒΑΝΙΤΗ ΠΟΥ ΑΝΕΒΑΣΕΣ ΤΟ ΒΙΝΤΕΟ ........ ΣΤΑ ΕΧΟΥΝ ΠΑΡΕΙ ΟΙ ΑΛΒΑΝΟΙ ΚΑΙ ΣΤΑ ΕΧΟΥΝ ΚΑΝΕΙ ΠΟΥΤΑΝΑ..... ΞΕΥΤΙΛΙΖΕΤΑΙ Η ΑΡΒΑΝΙΤΙΑ ΡΕ ΠΟΥΣΤΗ...
Fuck monkeydonya fyrom this fucking fyrom is a creature of Broz Tito comunist creature is even today with a population of 40% albanians 30% monkeydonians 10% bulgarians 10% greeks and 10% turks, serb,gypsies and others. This fucking communist creature country is trying to still and proclaim our famous people like Gjergj Kastrioti, Mother Teresa that is known in everywhere you go thaat she is albanian or Alexander the great of greece. Fuck this communist creature country with 45 years identity
it is normal in the suburbs of a nation with other nation people to speak both languages , or to have words taken from others vocabulary - this only shows that people are related eachother..... still i believe that arvanites maybe have albanian blood , i dont know . i am not nationalist and i say to modern day albos to take things easy cause also in south albania there are hellenic speakin people..... i think we should use mutual respect and i believe we are doing so
Very well said my friend. Greeks and Albanians we should both calm down. We have a lot of things in common and we can coexist very happily with each other.
αρβανιτες ελληνες καθαροι,ομηλουντες και τις δυο γλωσες,γραφοντες μονο την αρχαιζουσα ελληνικη και φεροντες ονοματα με αρχαια ελληνικη ριζα.αεπτιγμενο θρυσκευτικο αισθημα και φιλοτιμο(μπεσα)οπως ολι οι ελληνες.....
kështu kurë njerzit janë kanë trurin e larë "brainwasht", dhe për fe e lën gjuhëh dhe traditat për kishë/xhami e njëjta i ndodhi edhe në Delmeti ata sot nuk eksistojn. Sot i himariotët të cilit jan në rend.
A mund ta dime ku mund te gjenden CD te Aleko Dhimes?Dhe ju lutem te gjithe shqiptareve , mos i rendoni arvanitasit me fjale pse thone jane greke!Ka 200 vjete qe greket perpiqen t'i bejne per vete.U tregoni tituj librash historie e historianesh qe t'i shohin vete dhe deshmojuni vetem dashuri prej vellau.Te tjerat vijne vete,thirrja e gjakut do te zgjoje cdo dite e me shume arvanite.Le ta bejme edhe Shqiperine e Kosoven me te mira qe te ndjejne krenari e jo t'u vije turp.Gjaku dhe gjuha mbeten.
....(3) mi var n'litar se liri per me zgjedh cilit komb don mi perkat ok amo KURR JO ME PSHTY MBI KOMBET E TJER E SIDOMOS JO MBI KOMBIN QE KE LON PAS..
tradhetia (qfardo lloj tradhtie) osht kanceri i njerzimit, kta njerz nuk meritojn pik rrespekti..nonen e nones ku ta ken, pfft..
ahh mos t'harroj ni mszh per tradhetart e kombit tem: "O KRIJESA T'URUme DEGJONE DADUSHIN KNEJ, PERDORNI VAZELIN AMON SE ME SHIT BOQEN DHEM OH SA DHEM =D..
....(2) prek fen dhe kombin beh shummmmmmm mir qe kto krijesa nuk ndihen shqiptar se pernryshe veq na flliqin rrace, gjo per te cilen nuk kemi hiq nevoj...si per fund degjoni keng arvanite se tonat jon, duani ata arvanit qe nuk mohoj origjinen e tyne (tek e fundit kur nuk don veten qysh tka fal Zoti beh sdi pse konsumon oksigjenin kot!!) por mos tentoni qdoher me bind ata arvanit qe veten e tyne e ndin grek se po m'shkoni nerva sa her po ju lexoj...jom dakord qe tradhtart duhet...VAZHDON 3
.....patetika gjithmon duke tentu me bind arvanitet qe jon shqiptar more amon!!un per veti besoj ne lirin e qdo krijese kshtu qe arvanitet le te ndihen qa te dojn amo n'momentin qe ja nisin me sha shqipen oh kuku be ja u puthsha varrin, grrrr..spo du me kritiku arvanitet se qka e tek ndihen nuk osht pun e jemja (tek e fundit mu jeta nuk me nryshon) por jon koxha si shum ata arvanit e shajn shqiptart, shum ma shum se vet greket, e mqs un e kom shum merzi rracizmin sidomos kur....VAZHDON 2
interesont qysh kjo fjala MUT osht e njejt per kejt shqipet anemban botes lol..nejse e vertet qe disa fjal kuptohen amo qysh po m'bon nervoz qe prsh po ndjeki muhabetin e bash n'momentin ma t'mir ja fusin noj fjal qe nuk kuptoj, m'plasen kejt =D..
interesont sa her hy n'video qe flasin per arvanitet gjej shqiptar qe tentojn me bind arvanite qe jemi vllezer e arvanitet ne tjeter ane qe perserisin e perserisin qe ndihen grek!!..o ju patriotat e mi po a nuk e nini vet pak patetika...VAZHDON
I speak Albanian with the Albanians, the Arbereshe, and some Arvanites.
Do you do the same thing with the Arvanites, Arbereshe, and the Albanians?
(BTW, your grandpa was one of THOSE "Arvanites"... more like middle eastern Cretan assassins, that have burned and pillaged our villages for the "freedom of Epirus")
borther, don't waste your youth trying to prove the lies of the church (which you probably don't know they are lies).
this is harsh talk and i apologize, but you have to ask some crucial questions. "Why did greece speak Arvanite up until 150 years ago, if these Arvanites wanted to be greek really bad?"... was it the xenophobic enver hoxha again that imposed such a language on them? 50 years ago, half of the arvanites didn't know greek language yet.
So now, I am a young, naiv "brother"... Well, I must be a "transformer", cause a couple of days ago I was a "spy"! I don't give a damn for any of your apologies. I only need respect, not as an Arvanit, but as a human, who has the right to self-identify, and that's what all the other people who don't agree with you, need.
as a human you get respect if you deserve it.and you can self identify as chinese you wont be one but you have that right.but when you drag an entire people and a name then thats where we come to blows.
Every human should be respected, whether he deserves it or not. There are no "ifs" in human rights. Also, you have not the right to judge if I have the right to talk about Arvanites. Who are you? (you say "we come to blows")
Arvanit wake up and start asking from the state that you fought for to respect you!
Ask for schools in Arvanite language
If the Greek government really appreciate what Arvanites did in Greece then they should allow them to speak their language, and open schools for the little Arvanite kids
Greeks just want that culture to die. They want that language to stop existing. They want those songs to be forgoten
This is not gonna happen as long as in their veins runs still Arvanite blood
Arvanite blood will always run in our veins and that's why we never think of Albanians as our "brothers". All the Arvanites are bilingual and our only written language was and is Greek. We and the rest of the Greeks wanna neither this culture to die nor our national conciousness and history to fade out.
U jam Arvanit! And real Arvanites call themselves Arvanites. Obviously, you have met fake ones or not the ones from southern Greece. I'm from a village near Thebes(a city near Livadia) and believe me the majority of people living near Livadia are not Arvanites. I have many friends from there who are not. Probably you have made a mistake.
You Greek gypsi dont even know how to spell ARVANIT, so go and fuck your self somewhere in those gey videos and dont come and speak here in the name of the Arvanites
Arvanites don't use the latin alphabet but the greek. Also, if I were a gypsy I'd be so proud to be one as I am now that I am Arnvanit. You have obviously just remembered the fascist past of your nation , when the "poor" Chams executed their greek Arvanit neighbnors of Epiros,just because the latter didn't want to cooperate with Mussolini and Hitler, as Albanians did. It's you that you have no right to speak on behalf of us. We need none to tell us the truth. We know it and we've experienced it.
The truth is that when the Arvanites fought for their rights and liberty, Albanians were always against them, cooperating deliberately and actively with all their enemies. Even now the Albanians are the best friends with the Turks, against whom both George Kastrioti and all the Arvanit heroes of the Greek Revolution fought. That's why we can be no brothers. It's not a matter of religion or ethnicity. We are just no brothers with tradors.
oh yes today we should ally with greek who want us all dead.yes i see your reasoning and i give you a dick for your forehead.put it there and stare because your brain is already fucked.
So, it's my imagination, that Greeks don't want Albanians all dead? So why don't we kill the Albanian immigrants in Greece to do a good start? why do we give them jobs? why didn't we veto Albania to become a NATO member? Why Greeks invest in Albania? We may be mean neighbors, but we're crazy too!
because simply you cant.you give them jobs?? no no they work with their own arms and sweat.you give them nothing so stop your bull.you couldnt veto it because one you didnt want to veto fyrom and albania because it would have a negative view upon you once again and two because greece is fearfull of usa and doesnt want to go aGainst one of its allies.all political has nothing to do with love and hate.greeks invest in albania for monetary gain not because they love albania.what are you delusional.
Sure we could. Also,we could be racists with Albanians, but we don't wanna. You see, there are plenty of non-Albanian immigrants in Greece to work for Greek employers. We vetoed FYROM and we "enjoy" the negative consequences from Bush government.We also cooperate with Russia,a fact USA doesn't like. Greeks invest in Albania for money but they could invest that amount of money in Bulgaria, in FYROM, in Turkey, in Serbia or wherever they want. Then less jobs in Albania. My point:We're not enemies.
no you couldnt.you give yourself too much credit.bulgaria doesnt like you fyrom hates you turkey would spit in your face.my point is we are enemies as long as arvanites do not have the rights to schools and other establishments to protect the identity.like we give their homos in albania even if they are so few.and we are not friends with the racists never will be.we will not bow down for these homos.who wishes for friendship does so with an extended hand not a hidden knife
Bulgaria does like us and Fyrom does need our investments. Turks pretend to be our friends,only when we talk about souvlaki, syrtaki, tzatziki (anything except for politics). Also, many greek companies have invested their money in Turkey.
I repeat that Arvanites don't need Albania to protect them. Either you underestimate us and that's insulting or you play political games in the name of the protection of Arvanites' rights. Also, the greeks in Albania are not so few and that's what hurts you.
yes surely you must be right ore palio nieri.that is why so many arvanite schools and concersts and singers are so famous in greece.
oh oh wait wait this was sarcasm by the way.you know the truth.the ones like you drink the blood of your brothers for a little comfort.what arvanite are you??? you are shit not arvanit
I am arvanit, whereas you are not. I am not like you, I'm quite glad about it and sorry to inform you but that that's how real Arvanites are. If we needed Arvanite schools, there would be, even if the "mean" greek state didn't let us. All Greeks are not obliged to attend arvanit concerts and to know Arvanit folk musicians.Personally, I don't know neither Cretan nor Pontic folk singers. Does it mean that those people are suppressed by the greek state or whatever?Please,let us be,as we let you be.
it seems aperent that you dont know what arvanit is.and yes i would be one in the correct terms.who is we??? you and a couple other snitches paid by the greek police???? carefull with the we dont throw it around as if you represent arvanites.you are just a snitch thats all.a real arvanite would not like to erase his identity and forget his real language.that is why our ancestors fought so that the ottomans didnt do this to us now you lick the greeks ass to do it.again carefull with the WE
I thought that "your" ancestors fought (only once though, then they compromised) for freedom and independence... Sorry for missunderstanding. My ancestors fought constantly for freedom and independence and not for a stupid nationalism. I should be very rich by now, if the greek police paid me. Should I, also, ask you to permit me to speak on behalf of my relatives and ancestors? You are being irrational. Truth is not a conspiracy though.
truth is what you accept.and you chose to accept faIRYTALES AND IGNORE THE PAST.without the past you can not build a future.and also try some honesty.
Without the past you can not build a future. You're right. Also, you can understand a person's character by his past deeds. Can you tell me one action that the Albanians did in favor of Arvanites during the last two centuries?
It's pretty clear. Have the Albanians ever helped actively the Arvanites? You say that we are brothers. Brotherhood is a dynamic relationship: you prove it in every difficult situation of your brother. Have you?
arvanites like the arvanites of italy.what have you done to preserve yourself???? albania has always had problems and the government is not really pro the people.but what are you doing to preserve the identity for your kids???
Of course we have: My ancestors fought for the freedom and independence of their children, sacrificing their life, multiple times the last two centuries. That's how they literally "preserved" Arvanites. As for Albanians, my ancestors helped them escape from the siege of Tripolitsa in 1821, but they didn't help us back. On the contrary, they did everything they could, so that the Revolution of Greeks (including Arvanites) would fail. If I have kids, I'll raise them to be proud of what they'll be.
the only thing you have done is step and spit on your past by being a lap dog and making your children forget their mother tongue and l;earn a diferent one.you are a discrace.you have not preserved arvanites people like you have helped in erasing the identity because your pockets get fatter that way.i guess the soul has a price for some.albanians did everything??? arvanite and albanian are synonimus bitch no mater how much you try to emphesize they are not.coward
If you wanna earn some money, come to Greece and we'll fill your pockets with lots of money. The only thing you gotta do is to sell your soul to greek-devils. After that we'll hang out brainwashing Arvanit children and making them cowards. We'll have a great time!
you're probably either really young to know half of how the Arvanites fought in their past for their rights, or you're a government spy hoping to discourage the new trend of psychological unification of the Arvanites (Arberors) and the Arberors proper.
let me tell you you will not be successful, so just drop it.
First my soul will leave my body and then I'll stop talking. You see, Arvanites have a revolutionary spirit: we don't obey to orders! (arvanitiko kefali=Arvanit head). I'm neither young (mid-twenties) nor spy. I'm human and I claim my human right to self-identify. I'm not addressing to other Arvanites. They know who they are and need no guidance. I'm addressing to Albanians who think that they can lead a greater Albania, including the Greek Arvanites. That's a summer-night dream!
again you dont represent arvanites and second you have a bitch spirit not arvanite one.arvanite are proud and dont comform for anyone.you can not even stand in the shadow of the ancestors.and no one is asking great albania for arvanites.nor lets break greece in half and make half albanian.arvanites are our people and we wont rights for them.i dont care what nationality or borders.borders can not divide blood.
I represent myself. Arvanites don't need any representantive, but themselves. I agree with you that arvanites are proud and dont comform for anyone. You're also right: borders can not divide blood. Only blood can seperate brothers. And your ancestors poured the blood of my ancestors in the name of their interests. That cannot be forgotten. That's why Arvanites (or at least me, if you wish) and Albanians cannot be brothers. The best they can be is friends, if Albanians accept who we are.
Oh and the Greeks are your brothers, they suppress your national identity, dont recognize your langauge, you cant speak it in your schools. You get oppressed if you speak it in public. Real brothers man. You make me laugh. You forget that there were "Turkoarvanites" as well as "turkalbanians", Muslim converts who saw power and promise in the Ottomans, and fought for personal gain, thats on their heads, as individuals, not ours. Keep gagging on that Gypsy Greek dick, your ancestors are so proud.
arvanit kefali.... arnavut kafa.... that's all Turkish to me.
If you're Arvanit, you speak Arvanit.
AND, "arvanite" is a Greek term, not what they call themselves (or at least did before they were forced to forget).
The Arbereshe of Sicily and Calabria are also Arvanites... from Morea/Peloponisos. Please do take a look at the flags they carry. Listen to the songs they sing. And look up their past deeds (ex. their support in making testifying why Albania shoul be a different nation, early 1900)
The Arbereshe of Sicily and Calabria are indeed Arvanites and they were used by the kingdom of Italy for its geopolitical game in the Balkans. Italy was afraid of Greece's expansion and that's why it supported along with Austro-Hungarian Empire the creation of the muppet-country of Albania and promoted the Albanian nationalism.They knew that if Albanians would be incorporated in Greece,they'd become Greeks too and that was against Italy's interests for a series of reasons.Kefali is a greek word.
Well, it would get more powerfull if it controlled Otranto straits. Anyway, in 1940-1941 Greece won the Greco-italian war, although the greek army seemed to be less powerful than the italian and the albanian ones combined. Also, in southern Italy the populations were not so ethnically close with the northern Italians and a possible greater Greece would wake their sleeping nationalism up. So, according to the Italian government, the Albanian identity was less harmful for the italian interests.
there was no albanian army then get it right.the albanian partizans were fighting guerrilla war against italians and germans.i know because i am actually from there and didnt read greek government manuscripts.
but greek identity was strong??? a fake identity you mean am sure.
Both my grandfathers fought in Albania then and the Albanian soldiers helped Mussolini's army against the Greek soldiers (including the Arvanites one) who defended Greece.
Did I say greek identity? I said that northern and southern Italians have many differences (origins,culture) and the latter could join the Greeks-Albanians who are (still) closer to them.
Je i madh. Mos e rruj ca thon greket.
dopamine83 3 months ago
you rock man. Arvanite-arbereshe-albanians for ever
SuperAribu 4 months ago
Alla eseis Alvanoi min xereste, oso kathsterimenos einai o Neo-Ellinas einai kai o typikos Alvanos tou 2011, oute eseis exete anosia stin malakia distixos. Edo sta valkania kathomaste kai vrizomaste kai siga siga glistrame olo kai pio vathia stin tripa pou mas etoimasane oi Evropeoi. Andi na enothoume opos palia na dioksoume ksenous eisvoleis apo ta edafi kai tis tsepes mas virzomaste metaksi mas. Sta tetia mou omos, maresi opos einai to bourdelo mas, viva balkania re!!!
greekhop 7 months ago
Kala, afto to video exei mazepis tou pio kathisterimenous Neo Ellines sto planiti. Kita to allon apo pano ton ultraviolet, vrizie kai den kseri kan ti leei, aplos petaei leksis pou exei akousi.
To provlima einai oti o Neo Ellinas den diavazei vivlia, kai etsi exei mono apopsis xoris na ipostirizonde apo kapia gegononda, simvanda, i plirofories, aplos pianei ta misa pou oti lene oi akoma pio kathisterimenoi politikoi mas kai nomizei oti mafta pou leei ipostirizi tin Ellada. Re pou bleksame.
greekhop 7 months ago
Bravo Jani. You are very brave man. We know how difficult is in Greece to declare Albanian roots. But don't worry brother. The day is coming. ;) Do te bashkonemi.
sacrumillyricum 8 months ago
Tema: Crack from the laughs when we say that language Arvanita = Albanian language, while arvanitas = Greek(face book) ,dhikimou protoboulia gia na apodhikso tin alithia oti ta arvanitika = albanika .Eos simera 34 post,kai tou laxiston 200 ksenoi episimones stirizoun afto pou leo .Tha pane kai 400-500 .Sas perimeno stin dhimosia sizitisi
Adriano2214 9 months ago
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gamo thn alvania sas skatoarbanites.eiste geloioi ntrepeste na paradextite thn katagogh sas.na psofisoyn arbanites blaxoi pontioi slavosporoi. h ellada stous ellhnes.
ultravioleNt87
hajde kai gamisou
Adriano2214 9 months ago
Pershendetje JANI te uroj shendet je i pa pare............
labivl100 10 months ago
im from Macedonia and im Albanian, and i can understand him VERY WELL!
TheValmirZz 11 months ago
greeks have no clue what he's saying hahahahahahagagagag its just funny how greeks what to make arvanites some kind of a "greek" tribe hahahah way to funny, beyond logikes
korca8albania 1 year ago
Συμφωνώ ότι τα Αρβανίτικα έχουν αδικηθεί σαν γλώσσα αλλά από που και ως πού έπρεπε να είναι η επίσημη γλώσσας της Ελλάδας ρε φίλε; Με ποια λογική;
panarkas 1 year ago
ur mother is albanian only THE ARVANITES ARE GREEKS
EPIRUS IS GREEK
albanians are mixed race with turks and some slavs
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
@unfukkkmee sorry to disappoint you pal but DNA studies suggest otherwise i.e. albanians have the oldest DNA in europe! read Cavallai-sforza's studies! if anybody is mixed modern gayreeks are the following: albanians/arvanites, slavs, avars, wallachians, arabs, persians and last but not least turks. northwestern greeks seem to be the true ancient helenes as they have identical DNA to albanians.
the rest of you dark skinned pakistani looking asians claiming ancient heritage lmao
hekoka 1 year ago
THE GREEKS OF TODAY ARE FROM ANCIENT GREECE
ARVANITES ARE GREEKS
albanians are not illyrians albanians are one bunch of turk-mongols
@hekoka burn in hell brit. ur crazy slavo-british propaganda u have no idea from history u sickest liar . the slavs are niggers(tatars) but they are mixed race with albanians and romanians and are whites
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
@unfukkkmee haha you monrel, you cocktail of a man. greek paranoia spews lies incessantly but genetic studies show different, thank god for the DNA haha
albanian DNA is in opposite spectrum of the slavic DNA let alone your brothers turks
if arvanites are greek then how come they speak albanian and how come theyre called arvaniti and the greeks cant comprehend a single word of arvanitika.
greeks are closer to turk mongols than any balkan nation will ever be! you even look like them you pakis
hekoka 1 year ago
GREEKS ARE MOST SMART PERSONS EVER
WE GREEKS CREATED MOST THINGS OF EARTH LANGUAGE MUSIC POLITISM AND MANY MANY OTHERS
GREEKS OF TODAY ARE FROM ANCIENT GREECE
THE GREEK ARVANITES KILLED TURKALBANIANS IN 1821 FOR FREEDOM OF GREEKS
ARVANITES ARE GREEKS
THE ONLY TURKMONGOLS MIXED RACE WITH SLAVO-ALBANIANS ARE CROATIA AND BOSNIA
THE ONLY PARANOIA IN HERE IS BRITISH-paranoia ur paranoia ALL CRAZIES BRITISH ARE. U ARE ONE WORST BRIT YOURSELF-SPEAKER U HAS BIG PROBLEM IN UR BRAIN
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
@unfukkkmee you are talking about ancient greeks mate, todays greeks are a cocktail of turk, slav, albanian, persian, avar, arab and ethiopian that is why many greeks look like mixed race and pakistani. you homosexual hahaha
hekoka 1 year ago
@unfukkkmee hahaha lmao at your channel you fucking freak looking frankenstein you got so much hate in you that you hate your own mother. im gonna keep your channel as souvenir to show everybody what retarded people are out there. for a minute i thought you were joking hahahah ROFL
hekoka 1 year ago
ARVANITES ARE GREEKS
@hekoka FUCK UR UK UR MOTHER IS ALBO
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
@unfukkkmee haha actually no shes not, my ex girlfriend was and i've been to albania, kosova and montenegro. i can also speak albo quite well. you little poor greek, it was the UK and western europe that bailed you out of your economic turmoil when you started destroying your own country. we spoonfeed you you little gypsy scum.
hekoka 1 year ago
@hekoka @hekoka
GREEKS ARE MOST SMART PERSONS EVER
WE GREEKS CREATED MOST THINGS OF EARTH LANGUAGE MUSIC POLITISM AND MANY MANY OTHERS
GREEKS OF TODAY ARE FROM ANCIENT GREECE
WE GREEKS ARE WHITES ALL YEARS
ARVANITES ARE GREEKS
TURKMONGOLS ARE MIXED RACE WITH SLAVO-ALBANIANS ARE CROATIA AND BOSNIA ALBANIANS ARE TURKGYPSIES BULGARIANS ARE GYPSIES ROMANIANS ARE GYPSIES
THE ONLY PARANOIA IN HERE IS BRITISH-paranoia ur paranoia ALL CRAZIES BRITISH ARE.
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
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gamo thn alvania sas skatoarbanites.eiste geloioi ntrepeste na paradextite thn katagogh sas.na psofisoyn arbanites blaxoi pontioi slavosporoi. h ellada stous ellhnes.
ultravioleNt87 1 year ago
gamo thn alvania sas skatoarbanites.eiste geloioi ntrepeste na paradextite thn katagogh sas.na psofisoyn arbanites blaxoi pontioi slavosporoi. h ellada stous ellhnes.
ultravioleNt87 1 year ago
ahnte katoura ta podia sou... zagar!
MusicOfEpirus 1 year ago 3
@MusicOfEpirus Hahahahahaha you like my dad when he was like 35. Weirddd
ItZzTaZ 7 months ago
@ultravioleNt87 ισα ρε απογονε του περικλη και του λεωνιδα...αυτους στους οποιους ευχεσαι να ψοφησουν και ιδιαιτερα[αρβανιτες,βλαχοι]να ξερεις ειναι η ραχοκοκκαλια του εθνους που λεγεται ελλαδα....
frustrated1985 1 year ago
@ultravioleNt87 alla xoris arbanites den tha eixes thn eleytheria poy exeis simera , giath polemisame genaia sto plai sas. kai katarxas yparxoune polla poy den ksereis. h arbanites kratisane thn orthodoksi pisti kai sfaksane gia xari sas toys mousoulmanous albanoys alla poy na ksereis esei paidi moy eisai entelos anthropos poy mila xoris na gnorizei istoria kai alithies . kai ama theleis brise me kane me alla ekei fainete pos esei den eisai ellinas giath h ellines htane logiki kai oxi malakes
chrysabra 8 months ago
@chrysabra οι αρβανιτες δεν εσφαξαν μονοι τους τους μουσουλμανους...αμαν αυτη η ιστορια.Δεν αμφιβαλλει κανεις για την συενεισφορα των αρβανιτων,αλλα μερικοι υπερβαλλετε.Κολοκοτρωνης,Καραισκακης,Κατσαντωνης,Διακος,Ανδρουτσος οι Ψαριανοι και οι Κασιωτες ναυτικοι,ο μπουρλοτιερης Καναρης,ο Μακρυγιαννης δεν ηταν αρβανιτες.Οποτε μην υπερβαλλετε μερικοι εδω περα
MrAbagaz 2 months ago
@ultravioleNt87 yati den pate na gamithite esis gamimeni pustes elines se oles tous eones, zita to pio pallio ethno stous balkanes, zita i megali ALBANIA, gamotin elada sas monopana elines
erionji 7 months ago
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@ktm066 "southern land?where athena.???" central greece (including Athens) and peloponnese.
In 1814 there were no cameras and enslaved Greeks didn't use to pose for painters.
Fustanella is an italian word. Anyway. Residents of southern Balkans have always worn skirt-like clothes. See ancient Greeks (who made fun of Persians, for wearing trousers), see priests and monks, see Byzantine border-wariors who wore podea etc. There is no exclusivity in Balkan fashion.
soisodoeht 1 year ago
@ktm066 ...and has about 400 pleats.
"ALSO tell me why greeks killed arvanties rapped,stole,If they were greeks why would they do this?"
I've never heard about this. Which Arvanites? Cause in my village only Ottomans and Nazis have killed people massively during the last two centuries.
"why were you not allowed to speak your mother language in public?"The Arvanitis vice-president of the greek government, Pangalos, speaks in Arvanitic to his voters.
soisodoeht 1 year ago
show us pangalos speaking in arvanitic...
MusicOfEpirus 1 year ago
@soisodoeht
you are saying that many famous people in Greece were Arvanites!!
God bless them!!
- why you guys don't agree that greeks and arvanites are different nationalities - DIFFERENT BLOOD!
im having hard time understanding your position - -> here is a suggestion: why don't you guys just call yourselves ARVANITES - not greeks not albanians - you are who you are - just preserve your culture and your language that defines you!
you had a great past - I wish you a great future too!!
tonyk524 1 year ago
@tonyk524 "different nationalities - DIFFERENT BLOOD!"
History and genetists have never proved such a thing. That's totally your theory, which I respect but not accept...
We are definitely Arvanites and we did have a great past. But being Greek doesn't exclude being Arvanite or Vlach or Pontian or Cypriot or Macedonian or Cretan or Sarakatsanos or Tsakonian or Maniot etc. It's like saying that a Tosk should not call himself Albanian as well, but just Tosk.
soisodoeht 1 year ago
@soisodoeht DUDE, you guys have a problem!!! it is called IDENTITY PROBLEM !
you aren't looking at history and etnografy but are making up STORIES!
you guys have same heritage as Albanians - you have greek citizenship but YOU ARE NOT GREEK - period!!!
grow up please ! don't be ashamed of your heritage ! only people with an identity problem try to hide their heritage
mature people are proud of who they are - because they are comfortable with themselves!
... and im done debating with you!
tonyk524 1 year ago
@tonyk524 I'm very proud of who I am and very comfortable about it. I just have a different point of view. You apparently think that characteristics like common language and DNA make nations (what about Austrians-Germans, Bosniaks-Serbs, Pakistanis-Indians, Romanians-Moldavians etc.?). Personally, I've found out that ONLY common fights make nations. All Greek sub-groups have common fights against Turks, Bulgarians, Italians and Germans. That's what made them one nation.
soisodoeht 1 year ago
@tonyk524 Of course, common Roman ancestry (Eastern Roman Empire, Romioi), common greek heritage (my grandfather's grandfather, born in 1850, was named Kimon-not a christian name-, after the famous Athenian general. I mean that even 160 years ago my ancestors thought they were descendants of ancient Hellenes), common religion and common church language made things easier for the formation of the modern greek nation. But if there were not all those fights, there wouldn't be any Greeks by now.
soisodoeht 1 year ago
@ktm066 Aren't Tosks and Ghegs the same nation?
As far as fustanella is concerned, I can inform you that all residents of Southern mainland Greece used to wear it before 1821, even if they were not Arvanites. The first part of Greece to be independent was southern Greece and that's why the national greek costume is the fustanella. It's not about stealing. If I wear jeans, am I stealing American traditional costume? I don't think so. Also, greek fustanella is shorter than the Albanian...
soisodoeht 1 year ago
@soisodoeht greek fustanella is shorter than albanians! thats why greeks are homosexuals lmao
hekoka 1 year ago
@hekoka You should tell this to a greek bearing the fustanella and I'm sure that he'll exercise (fortunally for your ass) his homosexual insticts on you!
soisodoeht 1 year ago
@soisodoeht no thanks for him to exercise his inborn homo instincts id have to be a fellow gayreek! the thing is that yes you are a greek just as much as a scottish man is british, a part of a union. you are greek but you dont descend from the helenes and this is a fact you just cant deny it. your heritage is like that of all albanian! do you know why? because you speak a language that a fellow greek understands as much as he does swedish! and albanians understand it perfectly, weird huh?
hekoka 1 year ago
@hekoka First of all, when the Arvanites arrived in southern Greece, they didn't just settle in a deserted place, but they mixed with local population. Secondly, what makes you think that Arvanites are definitely not descendants of ancient Hellenes?Their origins are from northern Epirus where only Hellenes dwelt during the Antiquity, and, believe me, peoples and genes cannot disappear so easily as you may suppose.
Modern greek is the descendant of ancient attic greek,an ancient hellenic idiom.
soisodoeht 1 year ago
@soisodoeht cast aside all wishful thinking, emotions and illusions! albanian and the greek language (modern at least) are two very different languages. of course they bear similarities just as all IE languages do! where your theory gets "obliterated" is in the fact that albanians can perfectly understand arvanitika. the name arvan/arban/arber/alban is technically the same thing.
greeks are nuts to think that the ancient macedonians and epirotans were helenes! they were different peoples
hekoka 1 year ago
@hekoka Ancient Attic-greek authors thought that Eleans (greek tribe living around ancient Olympia, where all Hellenes would gather to do the Olympic games) spoke a "too barbaric" language to understand. Even then the Attic greek was quite different from Elean greek (which belonged to the NW greek dialect subgroup, like Epirotan Greek). Also, my hypothesis was not about the whole language but about common elements.
Ancient Macedonians and Epirotans were nuts enough to claim by themselves...
soisodoeht 1 year ago
@hekoka ... that they were Hellenes! For example, Philip the second participated in ancient Olympic Games (only Hellenes would participate) claimed to be descendant of Hercules, while Olympias, his Epirotan wife, claimed to be descendant of Achilles, the chief of the ancient greek tribes of Myrmidones and Hellenes (!!! then refering only to specific greek tribe) during Trojan War. When Alexander the Great arrived to Troy, he kneed and kissed the land where his ancestor had been killed.
soisodoeht 1 year ago
@soisodoeht
-arvanites cant be the direct descendants of ancient hellenes because arvanites speak albanian aka arvanitika aka shqip, albanese, arnaoutce etc while hellenes spoke/speak another language.
- your attempt to claim the ancient epirotans and macedonians as nuts is pathetic! it just shows how history can be altered as people wish. history = propaganda. youre nuts
-philip of macedon participated in the olympic games because he was the conquerer and owned the set, he did as he pleased!
hekoka 1 year ago
@hekoka By the way Alexander the Great was so non-Hellene, that he'd always sleep with his favourite book, Homer's Iliad, under his head! You know Homer, the one who wrote in aeolic-ionic (minor asian) hellenic dialect...
soisodoeht 1 year ago
@soisodoeht ill make it quick:
- i have read the iliad and as a kid my father would always tell me the story to sleep
- there is a factor called "reality" which you and other arvanites like you obviously completely intentionally disregard because what you "really" are and what you "think" you are or what you wish to be are two different worlds.
- youre evidence is myths and fairy tales as told by grandmothers and not academic scholars who say the opposite of what you claim, read it yourself!
hekoka 1 year ago
@hekoka I'll make it short:
1) Did your father read the original text of Iliad in aeolic-ionic greek?
2)Everybody can be whateve they wanna be.
3)My evidence (not proof) is the myths that proved, according to Alexander's family, their noble greek ancestry. Most academic scholars use those myths for their research. For example, Schliemann discovered Troy, reading those kinda myths about Trojan war etc.
4)The only possibility for the Arvanites not to be related at all to the ancient Hellenes..
soisodoeht 1 year ago
@hekoka ...is to be a non-indigenous, non-Balkanian people. Do you think so? I don't...
5)That's irony to your answer.
6)Philip II was not the first Macedonian king to participate in Olympic Games. That was Alexander I (150 years before Philip II, 504 BC, when Macedon was a minor kingdom).
soisodoeht 1 year ago
@hekoka Spartans, Thebans, Epirotans, Arcadians etc. spoke different idioms that may have evolved differently. For example, Spartan has evolved in Tsakonian and Griko dialects. Attic in Koine, modern greek and Pontic Greek dialects etc. Maybe some elements of the Arvanit language (and the Albanian too) are evolved Epirotan greek elements. Also, languages don't make nationalities, but people do.
Btw, you don't have to be gay, so that an insulted fustanella-bearing Greek can "fuck" you!
soisodoeht 1 year ago
@ktm066 The word Turk was used to describe muslims, the word Romios to describe orthodox christians, the word Frank to describe catholic christians etc. I don't accuse the ancestors of all modern Albanians of collaborating with Turks against Arvanites, but part of them. Why do you blame only Tosks? Do you have any evidence? Cause I know about Ali Pasha and his army, Laliotes of Peloponnese and generally muslim Albanians who fought Arvanites and Greeks, but don't know their actual origins.
soisodoeht 1 year ago
@ktm066 I'd fight for anyone that is not nationalist and does not serve interests of imperialists.
My ancestors did not fight for greeks but with other greeks agianst Turks, Bulgarians, Nazis, fascist Italians etc.
Also, when a "brother" chooses to fight against his brother, he is no brother anymore. Killing him for his betrayal is the ultimate solution and was used, for instance, for the Cham (among others) collaborators of the Nazis-fascists in Epirus, Nenekos and his followers in 1826etc..
soisodoeht 1 year ago
@soisodoeht
please understand that NO nation assimilates easily! It took years of harsh DISCRIMINATION from the Greeks to beat the Arvanites down to accepting the new greek identity!!!
You have to always remember how much your ancestors suffered before you swear on your greek tormentors and denounce the nationality of your grandfathers !!!!
But now they are starting to see the truth and stop being brainwashed by the greeks!
God bless the Arvanites!
tonyk524 1 year ago
nice
TheGLAUK 1 year ago
jemi vellezer ore njerez shqipetar arvanit jane =1
SHQIPO11111 1 year ago
Arvanites, lived for Greece, breathed for Greece died for Greece and would kill you right on the moment you called them Albanians.
Modern Albanians should go tell in the face of Androutsos that he is Albanian - he would simply ass-fuck them to death.
Albanians are yet to bring ONE - just ONE proof of any of these leaders declaring being Albanian.
Bring us one proof of any of them declaring anything else than Romios (the 1821 appelation of Greeks). Just 1 proof.
They won't, there isn't any...
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tonyk524 1 year ago
@papagamias @papagamias you illiterate greek shouvinist!! Don't try to reinvent history - JUST READ IT! See what the historians say - the world scientists who have done research on the matter and have FACTS to prove it!
ALBANIANS are the oldest inhabitants of the Balkans, being direct decendents of the ILLYRIANS !
- and ARVANITES are ALBANIAN!
Unfortunately, they are a typical case of the ASSIMILATED PEOPLE!!! Capisce???
You greek idiota!
tonyk524 1 year ago
We say Albanos and Arvanitis. So do we say Gallos & Gallitits? Agglos & Agglitis? Tourkos & Tourkitis? .... NO
Why? Because the nation of Albanians are called Albanoi. Arvanites are people that have a common thing wit Albanians but ARE NOT ALBANIANS. The common thing was the dialect. Arvanites were speakers of Greek and Turkish too.
The reason they had an Albanian-based (but half greek of course) dialect is that they worked in the Ottoman army and that was at 80% Albanian.
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tonyk524 1 year ago
@papagamias you illiterate greek shouvinist!! Don't try to reinvent history - JUST READ IT! See what the historians say - the world scientists who have done research on the matter and have FACTS to prove it!
ALBANIANS are the oldest inhabitants of the Balcans, being direct decendents of the ILLYRIANS !
- and ARVANITES are ALBANIAN!
Unfortunately, they are a typical case of the ASSIMILATED PEOPLE!!! Capisce???
You greek idiota!
tonyk524 1 year ago
Poor albanians think they are going to win with their bullshit, they have become equally ridiculous with FYROMians.
First they tell the world they are Illyrians - there is not a single proof of that. Illyrians lived in Croatia-Bosnia-Montenegro, thus north of the lands they occupy now.Then they try to claim even Greek Epirots.
Then they claim Arvanites to be Albanians.
According to Albanians all English speaking Indians are Anglosaxons and all Russian speaking Chechens are Russian.
papagamias 1 year ago
Bravo re Jani je i Madh dhe te rrosh sa malet
Ke kurajon dhe e thua se car je.....
tonytace 1 year ago
ti lei autos oti o Karamanlis einai kakos kai Papandreou kalos? auto lei?
MAXIMILIANVS 2 years ago
sto tepeleni milane ellenika ne re malaka milane afu exune 20 kronia dulevune stin elada milane elinika pjos to arniete esi arnithikate ola pusti elina
labocam 2 years ago
you speaking Good my friend ,folni shum bukur shqip you must be a Camik Albanian,but dont forget never be a proud becoase you're Albanian Arvanit.
TheAriRezaku 2 years ago
fare=katholou
bouk=psomi
MHTSOPOuLOSSS 2 years ago
"DIMITRIU V. DIMITRAKU
Modernized 1970 '
"NEW ORTHOGRAPHIC INTERPRETATIVE DICTIONARY WHOLE OF THE GREEK LANGUAGE
"Compendium of the Great 9th volume Dictionary whole of the Greek Language"
"FIRST PRIZE ACADEMY OF ATHENS"
"Review, supplement and correct from
THISEOS TZANNETATU
Professor of classical literature at the University of Athens and group philologists "
ILIRIA11111111111111 2 years ago
Page 220
"Arvanitis a:, female. -itissa Albanian ethnicity or descent and resident of Albania. 2 Greek of Albanian origin living in Greece. 3 Joined. stubborn, obstinate, revengeful. 4 in Epirus, the north wind. "
"Arvanitaki the: Albanian kid. 2 Christian Arvanitis warrior. "
"Arvanitia the: The Albanian ethnic. 2 the land of the Albanians. 3 horde Albanian invaders
ILIRIA11111111111111 2 years ago
"Arvanitikos -i-o: the Albanian. 2 stubborn, vindictive. 3 for burning, excessive. noun
. Arvanitika of the Albanian language. adverb. -a.
"Arvanito-pulo the: Albanian kid."
"Arvanitouria the: the group of Albanians. 2 horde Albanian invaders. 3, the squalor. "
"Arvanito-horio the: village of Albanians or Albanian-speaking Greek village."
ILIRIA11111111111111 2 years ago
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"Alvanos -i on(Albanian): by the Albanians, Arvanite noun
. Albanian or, the Albanian, the Albanian language. adverb. a Alvanisti. "
ILIRIA11111111111111 2 years ago
ΑΣ ΜΗΝ ΞΕΧΝΑΜΕ ΒΕΒΑΙΑ ΟΤΙ ΜΕΧΡΙ ΠΡΙΝ 15 ΧΡΟΝΙΑ Η ΣΥΝΤΡΙΠΤΙΚΗ ΠΛΕΙΟΨΗΦΙΑ ΤΟΥ ΠΛΗΘΥΣΜΟΥ ΜΕΤΑΞΥ ΚΑΚΑΒΙΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΕΠΕΛΕΝΙΟΥ ΜΙΛΟΥΣΕ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΑ !!! ΚΑΙ ΜΑΛΙΣΤΑ ΚΑΛΥΤΕΡΑ ΚΑΙ ΓΝΗΣΙΟΤΕΡΑ ΑΠΟ ΤΟΥΣ ΑΘΗΝΑΙΟΥΣ... ΑΣ ΟΨΕΤΑΙ Ο ΣΑΜΑΡΑΣ ΠΟΥ ΑΔΕΙΑΣΕ ΤΗΝ Β.ΗΠΕΙΡΟ...
logonax65 2 years ago
gjuha letrare eshte teper me e bukur.........arvanitika eshte shume palidhje................
ardian91 2 years ago
ΦΙΛΕ ΚΟΡΟΙΔΟ ΑΡΒΑΝΙΤΗ ΠΟΥ ΑΝΕΒΑΣΕΣ ΤΟ ΒΙΝΤΕΟ ........ ΣΤΑ ΕΧΟΥΝ ΠΑΡΕΙ ΟΙ ΑΛΒΑΝΟΙ ΚΑΙ ΣΤΑ ΕΧΟΥΝ ΚΑΝΕΙ ΠΟΥΤΑΝΑ..... ΞΕΥΤΙΛΙΖΕΤΑΙ Η ΑΡΒΑΝΙΤΙΑ ΡΕ ΠΟΥΣΤΗ...
HellasPrideGR 2 years ago
viva albania ang greece ..fuck off u fucking sllavs ..go back on the mountine of russia ..fucking people ..
MrKurbini 2 years ago
Fuck monkeydonya fyrom this fucking fyrom is a creature of Broz Tito comunist creature is even today with a population of 40% albanians 30% monkeydonians 10% bulgarians 10% greeks and 10% turks, serb,gypsies and others. This fucking communist creature country is trying to still and proclaim our famous people like Gjergj Kastrioti, Mother Teresa that is known in everywhere you go thaat she is albanian or Alexander the great of greece. Fuck this communist creature country with 45 years identity
Ermal1984D 2 years ago 2
The statement that the arvanitika should be the official language of Greece is ridiculous.
Arvanitika is not a written language who would adopt it for official language, unless one plans
build an Albania, btw Albania didn't have a written language until the 20th century.
At this time there are les than 50000 people who use the arvanitika as a second language.
During liberation the majority spoke Turkish should Turkish have been the official language.
Know thyself
Evolvedprimate 2 years ago
Are you sure? There is proof of the Albanian language in the 12th century, they found it 2008, so zip it.
rufius89 2 years ago 2
is Albanian
DhiPshtinali1 2 years ago
o jano te qifsha robt edhe ty qe ke videon u bot ju te shani shqiptaret rob qira te qifsha edhe kurven qe ke me vete
julian1311988 2 years ago
ma merr mendja se as njeri e as tjetri nuk jan te mire per ne nese nuk jemi ne te mire per njeri tjetrin dhe kombin tone pershendetje
xenibucaj 2 years ago
Heheh... Bisedë e bukur :-))))
Shumë ëmbël e flisni shqipen!
rsaliasi 2 years ago
GRECCE 4 EVER!!!
NICKTHEDIG1989 2 years ago
Im albanian and i can only understand a few words but it still reminds me alot about the tosk dialect of the albanian language .
VitaNegern77 2 years ago 2
yeah, this is actually a dialect of the tosk dialect (dunno if that makes sense)
that's probably why you can't understand it. it had quite a bit of Greek in it though. that's also why
GREEKxISLANDxGAL 2 years ago
it is normal in the suburbs of a nation with other nation people to speak both languages , or to have words taken from others vocabulary - this only shows that people are related eachother..... still i believe that arvanites maybe have albanian blood , i dont know . i am not nationalist and i say to modern day albos to take things easy cause also in south albania there are hellenic speakin people..... i think we should use mutual respect and i believe we are doing so
hoggg11 2 years ago 3
Arvanites are Albanians who migrated to Greece during the middle ages. Arvanitika is a dialect of the Albanian language.
My grandfather can actually speak this language :)
GREEKxISLANDxGAL 2 years ago 5
Very well said my friend. Greeks and Albanians we should both calm down. We have a lot of things in common and we can coexist very happily with each other.
ydrohoos7 2 years ago 5
we will eventually... this is just a show.
if we don't hurt each other, arguing will only make us look harder into history to prove our points, only to finally realize the truth.
MusicOfEpirus 1 year ago
— Έι Γιάνο, σύ ε γνώμ και περ Καραμανλή?
— άι γιά μούτ, να κα πείρρε γκιάκουν, νούκου γιά έστ' περ νεύε φτοχόιβε.
— Δόσε, δόσε...
— Γιάμ μέ ατά τσε καν παρά! Καθίκι να πίου γκιάκουν.
— Γιώργο Παπανδρέου?
derrkuci 2 years ago
— άι γιά μά ι μίρε νιερί. Γιέπε εδέ μπούκε τε χαϊε νιετρί. Καραμανλήου νούκου γιέπ φάρε.
— Σύ Παπάρηγα?
— Έδ άιο, αλλα... na kus qe ta loja, qe ta loja tora, etsi... Κετού γιέμι
γιάστε γκα Λειβαδία!
— Γκα Λειβαδία?
— Εε...
— Γκα Λειβαδία!
derrkuci 2 years ago
τι μαλακιες ειναι αυτες ρε μιλατε την ελληνικη γλωσσα....
ploiarxosanton 2 years ago
— Ej Jano, si e gnom qe për Karamanlí?
— Aj a mut, na ka pirrë gjakun, nuk ja ësht për neve ftohonjve.
— Dhóse, dhóse...
— Jam me ata çë kanë pará. Kathíqi na piu gjakun.
derrkuci 2 years ago
— Jorgo Papandreu ?
— Aj a më i mirë njerí. Jepë edhe bukë të hajë njetri. Karamanliu nuk u jep fare.
— Si Papáriga?
— Edh ájo, alla... na kus qe ta loja, qe ta loja tora, etsi... Këtu jemi jashtë ga Livadhía!
— Ga Livadhía?
— Eee...
— Ga Livadhía!
derrkuci 2 years ago
και΄.φανεροτατες βιολογικες διαφορες μ εταξυ αρβανιτων και αλβανων.............
(με σεβασμο προς ολους..xxntavelisxx)
xxntavelisxx 3 years ago
αρβανιτες ελληνες καθαροι,ομηλουντες και τις δυο γλωσες,γραφοντες μονο την αρχαιζουσα ελληνικη και φεροντες ονοματα με αρχαια ελληνικη ριζα.αεπτιγμενο θρυσκευτικο αισθημα και φιλοτιμο(μπεσα)οπως ολι οι ελληνες.....
xxntavelisxx 3 years ago
προπαγανδα,προπαγανδα,προπαγανδα......
xxntavelisxx 3 years ago
aftoi oi anthropi ine ellines... ta gitones sas pithanos. etsi, den einai propaganda!
MusicOfEpirus 3 years ago
kështu kurë njerzit janë kanë trurin e larë "brainwasht", dhe për fe e lën gjuhëh dhe traditat për kishë/xhami e njëjta i ndodhi edhe në Delmeti ata sot nuk eksistojn. Sot i himariotët të cilit jan në rend.
Selacii 3 years ago
Malaka archidi Nikopolidi xD
Zagorakis89 3 years ago
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A mund ta dime ku mund te gjenden CD te Aleko Dhimes?Dhe ju lutem te gjithe shqiptareve , mos i rendoni arvanitasit me fjale pse thone jane greke!Ka 200 vjete qe greket perpiqen t'i bejne per vete.U tregoni tituj librash historie e historianesh qe t'i shohin vete dhe deshmojuni vetem dashuri prej vellau.Te tjerat vijne vete,thirrja e gjakut do te zgjoje cdo dite e me shume arvanite.Le ta bejme edhe Shqiperine e Kosoven me te mira qe te ndjejne krenari e jo t'u vije turp.Gjaku dhe gjuha mbeten.
Desaret2600 3 years ago
arbereshe e arvanites vllezera ,vete nje zemer
shenmitrot 3 years ago 5
....(3) mi var n'litar se liri per me zgjedh cilit komb don mi perkat ok amo KURR JO ME PSHTY MBI KOMBET E TJER E SIDOMOS JO MBI KOMBIN QE KE LON PAS..
tradhetia (qfardo lloj tradhtie) osht kanceri i njerzimit, kta njerz nuk meritojn pik rrespekti..nonen e nones ku ta ken, pfft..
ahh mos t'harroj ni mszh per tradhetart e kombit tem: "O KRIJESA T'URUme DEGJONE DADUSHIN KNEJ, PERDORNI VAZELIN AMON SE ME SHIT BOQEN DHEM OH SA DHEM =D..
shiHanny 3 years ago 2
....(2) prek fen dhe kombin beh shummmmmmm mir qe kto krijesa nuk ndihen shqiptar se pernryshe veq na flliqin rrace, gjo per te cilen nuk kemi hiq nevoj...si per fund degjoni keng arvanite se tonat jon, duani ata arvanit qe nuk mohoj origjinen e tyne (tek e fundit kur nuk don veten qysh tka fal Zoti beh sdi pse konsumon oksigjenin kot!!) por mos tentoni qdoher me bind ata arvanit qe veten e tyne e ndin grek se po m'shkoni nerva sa her po ju lexoj...jom dakord qe tradhtart duhet...VAZHDON 3
shiHanny 3 years ago 3
.....patetika gjithmon duke tentu me bind arvanitet qe jon shqiptar more amon!!un per veti besoj ne lirin e qdo krijese kshtu qe arvanitet le te ndihen qa te dojn amo n'momentin qe ja nisin me sha shqipen oh kuku be ja u puthsha varrin, grrrr..spo du me kritiku arvanitet se qka e tek ndihen nuk osht pun e jemja (tek e fundit mu jeta nuk me nryshon) por jon koxha si shum ata arvanit e shajn shqiptart, shum ma shum se vet greket, e mqs un e kom shum merzi rracizmin sidomos kur....VAZHDON 2
shiHanny 3 years ago 2
interesont qysh kjo fjala MUT osht e njejt per kejt shqipet anemban botes lol..nejse e vertet qe disa fjal kuptohen amo qysh po m'bon nervoz qe prsh po ndjeki muhabetin e bash n'momentin ma t'mir ja fusin noj fjal qe nuk kuptoj, m'plasen kejt =D..
interesont sa her hy n'video qe flasin per arvanitet gjej shqiptar qe tentojn me bind arvanite qe jemi vllezer e arvanitet ne tjeter ane qe perserisin e perserisin qe ndihen grek!!..o ju patriotat e mi po a nuk e nini vet pak patetika...VAZHDON
shiHanny 3 years ago 2
GREEK MALAKAAAA
PAOISMYLIFE13 3 years ago
soisodoeht.... if you're Arvanite, why don't you speak Arvanite?
That's all i got to say.
MusicOfEpirus 3 years ago
If you're Albanian, why don't you speak Albanian? That's all I got to answer.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
I speak Albanian with the Albanians, the Arbereshe, and some Arvanites.
Do you do the same thing with the Arvanites, Arbereshe, and the Albanians?
(BTW, your grandpa was one of THOSE "Arvanites"... more like middle eastern Cretan assassins, that have burned and pillaged our villages for the "freedom of Epirus")
MusicOfEpirus 3 years ago
Should I?
(Really??? Thanks for the information! I'll let him know too... If it weren't you, we'd still live in the "dark"...)
hana mun, MusicOfBythepirus! (I don't know the right spelling though, but that's enough for you).
soisodoeht 3 years ago
pse ore tu ham mun?
i thuhet vellaut ashtu?
ne nuk iu thomi gje... po folet gliuhen Arvanite.
MusicOfEpirus 3 years ago
borther, don't waste your youth trying to prove the lies of the church (which you probably don't know they are lies).
this is harsh talk and i apologize, but you have to ask some crucial questions. "Why did greece speak Arvanite up until 150 years ago, if these Arvanites wanted to be greek really bad?"... was it the xenophobic enver hoxha again that imposed such a language on them? 50 years ago, half of the arvanites didn't know greek language yet.
is this just an act?
it truly is not right...
MusicOfEpirus 3 years ago
So now, I am a young, naiv "brother"... Well, I must be a "transformer", cause a couple of days ago I was a "spy"! I don't give a damn for any of your apologies. I only need respect, not as an Arvanit, but as a human, who has the right to self-identify, and that's what all the other people who don't agree with you, need.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
as a human you get respect if you deserve it.and you can self identify as chinese you wont be one but you have that right.but when you drag an entire people and a name then thats where we come to blows.
bylysi 3 years ago
Every human should be respected, whether he deserves it or not. There are no "ifs" in human rights. Also, you have not the right to judge if I have the right to talk about Arvanites. Who are you? (you say "we come to blows")
soisodoeht 3 years ago
O TE LUMT GOJA O PLAKO
Se me knaqe zemren
RROFT SHQIPERIA ETNIKE
prishtinali4life 3 years ago
Te lumte goja more Arvanit. Mesoja edhe Janit gjuhen e te pareve se Jani qenka edhe i zgjuar
Jani mundohet ta ngacmoje plakun qe te flasi Arerisht :)
kingbardhuli 3 years ago
Shqipe e e vjeter dhe shume e kuptueshme.Askush smund ta mohoje qe ka akoma arvanitas qe kane ruajtur gjuhen dhe gjakun e tyre.
albanishkoder 3 years ago 5
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Arvanit wake up and start asking from the state that you fought for to respect you!
Ask for schools in Arvanite language
If the Greek government really appreciate what Arvanites did in Greece then they should allow them to speak their language, and open schools for the little Arvanite kids
Greeks just want that culture to die. They want that language to stop existing. They want those songs to be forgoten
This is not gonna happen as long as in their veins runs still Arvanite blood
NYPD44 3 years ago
Arvanite blood will always run in our veins and that's why we never think of Albanians as our "brothers". All the Arvanites are bilingual and our only written language was and is Greek. We and the rest of the Greeks wanna neither this culture to die nor our national conciousness and history to fade out.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Di te flasesh gliuhen Arvanite?
Po nuku di, nuku je Arvanit.
Real Arvanites call themselves Arberor, exactly what Albanians call themselves.
MusicOfEpirus 3 years ago
U jam Arvanit! And real Arvanites call themselves Arvanites. Obviously, you have met fake ones or not the ones from southern Greece. I'm from a village near Thebes(a city near Livadia) and believe me the majority of people living near Livadia are not Arvanites. I have many friends from there who are not. Probably you have made a mistake.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
You Greek gypsi dont even know how to spell ARVANIT, so go and fuck your self somewhere in those gey videos and dont come and speak here in the name of the Arvanites
NYPD44 3 years ago
Arvanites don't use the latin alphabet but the greek. Also, if I were a gypsy I'd be so proud to be one as I am now that I am Arnvanit. You have obviously just remembered the fascist past of your nation , when the "poor" Chams executed their greek Arvanit neighbnors of Epiros,just because the latter didn't want to cooperate with Mussolini and Hitler, as Albanians did. It's you that you have no right to speak on behalf of us. We need none to tell us the truth. We know it and we've experienced it.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
The truth is that when the Arvanites fought for their rights and liberty, Albanians were always against them, cooperating deliberately and actively with all their enemies. Even now the Albanians are the best friends with the Turks, against whom both George Kastrioti and all the Arvanit heroes of the Greek Revolution fought. That's why we can be no brothers. It's not a matter of religion or ethnicity. We are just no brothers with tradors.
P.S.:Cursing me reveals your lack in arguments.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
oh yes today we should ally with greek who want us all dead.yes i see your reasoning and i give you a dick for your forehead.put it there and stare because your brain is already fucked.
bylysi 3 years ago
You have a really "wild" imagination.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
no i dont.aperently you do.
bylysi 3 years ago
So, it's my imagination, that Greeks don't want Albanians all dead? So why don't we kill the Albanian immigrants in Greece to do a good start? why do we give them jobs? why didn't we veto Albania to become a NATO member? Why Greeks invest in Albania? We may be mean neighbors, but we're crazy too!
soisodoeht 3 years ago
because simply you cant.you give them jobs?? no no they work with their own arms and sweat.you give them nothing so stop your bull.you couldnt veto it because one you didnt want to veto fyrom and albania because it would have a negative view upon you once again and two because greece is fearfull of usa and doesnt want to go aGainst one of its allies.all political has nothing to do with love and hate.greeks invest in albania for monetary gain not because they love albania.what are you delusional.
bylysi 3 years ago
Sure we could. Also,we could be racists with Albanians, but we don't wanna. You see, there are plenty of non-Albanian immigrants in Greece to work for Greek employers. We vetoed FYROM and we "enjoy" the negative consequences from Bush government.We also cooperate with Russia,a fact USA doesn't like. Greeks invest in Albania for money but they could invest that amount of money in Bulgaria, in FYROM, in Turkey, in Serbia or wherever they want. Then less jobs in Albania. My point:We're not enemies.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
no you couldnt.you give yourself too much credit.bulgaria doesnt like you fyrom hates you turkey would spit in your face.my point is we are enemies as long as arvanites do not have the rights to schools and other establishments to protect the identity.like we give their homos in albania even if they are so few.and we are not friends with the racists never will be.we will not bow down for these homos.who wishes for friendship does so with an extended hand not a hidden knife
bylysi 3 years ago
Bulgaria does like us and Fyrom does need our investments. Turks pretend to be our friends,only when we talk about souvlaki, syrtaki, tzatziki (anything except for politics). Also, many greek companies have invested their money in Turkey.
I repeat that Arvanites don't need Albania to protect them. Either you underestimate us and that's insulting or you play political games in the name of the protection of Arvanites' rights. Also, the greeks in Albania are not so few and that's what hurts you.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
yes surely you must be right ore palio nieri.that is why so many arvanite schools and concersts and singers are so famous in greece.
oh oh wait wait this was sarcasm by the way.you know the truth.the ones like you drink the blood of your brothers for a little comfort.what arvanite are you??? you are shit not arvanit
bylysi 3 years ago
I am arvanit, whereas you are not. I am not like you, I'm quite glad about it and sorry to inform you but that that's how real Arvanites are. If we needed Arvanite schools, there would be, even if the "mean" greek state didn't let us. All Greeks are not obliged to attend arvanit concerts and to know Arvanit folk musicians.Personally, I don't know neither Cretan nor Pontic folk singers. Does it mean that those people are suppressed by the greek state or whatever?Please,let us be,as we let you be.
soisodoeht 3 years ago 2
it seems aperent that you dont know what arvanit is.and yes i would be one in the correct terms.who is we??? you and a couple other snitches paid by the greek police???? carefull with the we dont throw it around as if you represent arvanites.you are just a snitch thats all.a real arvanite would not like to erase his identity and forget his real language.that is why our ancestors fought so that the ottomans didnt do this to us now you lick the greeks ass to do it.again carefull with the WE
bylysi 3 years ago
I thought that "your" ancestors fought (only once though, then they compromised) for freedom and independence... Sorry for missunderstanding. My ancestors fought constantly for freedom and independence and not for a stupid nationalism. I should be very rich by now, if the greek police paid me. Should I, also, ask you to permit me to speak on behalf of my relatives and ancestors? You are being irrational. Truth is not a conspiracy though.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
truth is what you accept.and you chose to accept faIRYTALES AND IGNORE THE PAST.without the past you can not build a future.and also try some honesty.
bylysi 3 years ago
Without the past you can not build a future. You're right. Also, you can understand a person's character by his past deeds. Can you tell me one action that the Albanians did in favor of Arvanites during the last two centuries?
soisodoeht 3 years ago
are you speaking of government or what???
or are you saying people?
bylysi 3 years ago
Whatever...
soisodoeht 3 years ago
no dont whatever.explain yourself.i sincerly do not understand what you try to say.
bylysi 3 years ago
It's pretty clear. Have the Albanians ever helped actively the Arvanites? You say that we are brothers. Brotherhood is a dynamic relationship: you prove it in every difficult situation of your brother. Have you?
soisodoeht 3 years ago
have you???
arvanites like the arvanites of italy.what have you done to preserve yourself???? albania has always had problems and the government is not really pro the people.but what are you doing to preserve the identity for your kids???
oh yes you try to make them greek
bylysi 3 years ago
Of course we have: My ancestors fought for the freedom and independence of their children, sacrificing their life, multiple times the last two centuries. That's how they literally "preserved" Arvanites. As for Albanians, my ancestors helped them escape from the siege of Tripolitsa in 1821, but they didn't help us back. On the contrary, they did everything they could, so that the Revolution of Greeks (including Arvanites) would fail. If I have kids, I'll raise them to be proud of what they'll be.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
of course you have??
the only thing you have done is step and spit on your past by being a lap dog and making your children forget their mother tongue and l;earn a diferent one.you are a discrace.you have not preserved arvanites people like you have helped in erasing the identity because your pockets get fatter that way.i guess the soul has a price for some.albanians did everything??? arvanite and albanian are synonimus bitch no mater how much you try to emphesize they are not.coward
bylysi 3 years ago
If you wanna earn some money, come to Greece and we'll fill your pockets with lots of money. The only thing you gotta do is to sell your soul to greek-devils. After that we'll hang out brainwashing Arvanit children and making them cowards. We'll have a great time!
soisodoeht 3 years ago
dude... stop talking.
we already know what's going on.
you're probably either really young to know half of how the Arvanites fought in their past for their rights, or you're a government spy hoping to discourage the new trend of psychological unification of the Arvanites (Arberors) and the Arberors proper.
let me tell you you will not be successful, so just drop it.
MusicOfEpirus 3 years ago
First my soul will leave my body and then I'll stop talking. You see, Arvanites have a revolutionary spirit: we don't obey to orders! (arvanitiko kefali=Arvanit head). I'm neither young (mid-twenties) nor spy. I'm human and I claim my human right to self-identify. I'm not addressing to other Arvanites. They know who they are and need no guidance. I'm addressing to Albanians who think that they can lead a greater Albania, including the Greek Arvanites. That's a summer-night dream!
soisodoeht 3 years ago 2
again you dont represent arvanites and second you have a bitch spirit not arvanite one.arvanite are proud and dont comform for anyone.you can not even stand in the shadow of the ancestors.and no one is asking great albania for arvanites.nor lets break greece in half and make half albanian.arvanites are our people and we wont rights for them.i dont care what nationality or borders.borders can not divide blood.
bylysi 3 years ago
I represent myself. Arvanites don't need any representantive, but themselves. I agree with you that arvanites are proud and dont comform for anyone. You're also right: borders can not divide blood. Only blood can seperate brothers. And your ancestors poured the blood of my ancestors in the name of their interests. That cannot be forgotten. That's why Arvanites (or at least me, if you wish) and Albanians cannot be brothers. The best they can be is friends, if Albanians accept who we are.
soisodoeht 3 years ago 3
Oh and the Greeks are your brothers, they suppress your national identity, dont recognize your langauge, you cant speak it in your schools. You get oppressed if you speak it in public. Real brothers man. You make me laugh. You forget that there were "Turkoarvanites" as well as "turkalbanians", Muslim converts who saw power and promise in the Ottomans, and fought for personal gain, thats on their heads, as individuals, not ours. Keep gagging on that Gypsy Greek dick, your ancestors are so proud.
DustyWtf 2 years ago
arvanit kefali.... arnavut kafa.... that's all Turkish to me.
If you're Arvanit, you speak Arvanit.
AND, "arvanite" is a Greek term, not what they call themselves (or at least did before they were forced to forget).
The Arbereshe of Sicily and Calabria are also Arvanites... from Morea/Peloponisos. Please do take a look at the flags they carry. Listen to the songs they sing. And look up their past deeds (ex. their support in making testifying why Albania shoul be a different nation, early 1900)
MusicOfEpirus 3 years ago
The Arbereshe of Sicily and Calabria are indeed Arvanites and they were used by the kingdom of Italy for its geopolitical game in the Balkans. Italy was afraid of Greece's expansion and that's why it supported along with Austro-Hungarian Empire the creation of the muppet-country of Albania and promoted the Albanian nationalism.They knew that if Albanians would be incorporated in Greece,they'd become Greeks too and that was against Italy's interests for a series of reasons.Kefali is a greek word.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
sure greece is so powerfull that italy was afrad.lol you kook.
they escaped to not fall under the ottomans and one day strike back at the ottoman hordes.
bylysi 3 years ago
Well, it would get more powerfull if it controlled Otranto straits. Anyway, in 1940-1941 Greece won the Greco-italian war, although the greek army seemed to be less powerful than the italian and the albanian ones combined. Also, in southern Italy the populations were not so ethnically close with the northern Italians and a possible greater Greece would wake their sleeping nationalism up. So, according to the Italian government, the Albanian identity was less harmful for the italian interests.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
there was no albanian army then get it right.the albanian partizans were fighting guerrilla war against italians and germans.i know because i am actually from there and didnt read greek government manuscripts.
but greek identity was strong??? a fake identity you mean am sure.
bylysi 3 years ago
Both my grandfathers fought in Albania then and the Albanian soldiers helped Mussolini's army against the Greek soldiers (including the Arvanites one) who defended Greece.
Did I say greek identity? I said that northern and southern Italians have many differences (origins,culture) and the latter could join the Greeks-Albanians who are (still) closer to them.
soisodoeht 3 years ago