@IlluminatiOvIndiana Do have any knowledge about the vehicle of light ( merkeba ) through which you we can travel through the stratas ? The stratas seem to be guarded, do you have permission to pass through it ?
@IlluminatiOvIndiana Did you visit Mecca and saw the spiral vortex, I dont know how to explain it but it was completely out of this world. If you do have knowledge of the Mecca and whether there are extra dementional beings still guarding it could you tell me about its properties if you have knowledge of it.
@nabeelmerchant the kaaba for Thelemites is Boleskine. You need to go chat to a muslim, bubba. This is a Thelemic channel and as you know, abrahimic religions are the source of all devil worshipping. No matter if you are jewish, christian or muslim, they all bring up satan in all their work. Thelema is a zero based philosophy. There is NO god in Mecca (or anywhere) and only we see that. Muslims think there is and call us satan. There is NO god.
@IlluminatiOvIndiana Why does the geometry and symbolism tell a different story, when the followers of the system of Thelema proclaim themselves as athiest. The system of Thelema is derived from Crowlism. I do want to know what is the agenda without spilling out the beans to the public what the geometry and symbolism mean, I will just reserve that for those who seek for it. Could you message me the agenda perhaps, for all the secrecy, not that agenda of ruling over the your fellow man.
@nabeelmerchant no need to message you, everything you wish to know, truth as well as lies are easy to find on the internet. There is no recruitment, we never ask ppl to join or promote that Thelema is better than their ancient belief. To each his own, do what thou wilt.
Crowley was fixated on the symbolism of numerals. The vortex your in you previous question.?. is perhaps my zero. Zero is my God and the only true gift from Islam to the world.. not the stupid religion, but the number ZERO ..
@nabeelmerchant ..easy, to get laid...often.. and by a totally hot partner.. not some unpracticed virgin.. a real pro.. no... a Priestess of Bablon, queen of whores and mother of abominations, conjoined with as our Master, 666... during an eclipse... hua!.. and did I say often?... let me say it again...
How do I know this? My HGA and the ONe-EYEd are ONe and None, and when IT speaks there is life and therefore death to that life.
@nabeelmerchant the very best place to get them is to be the one digging them up, I'm pretty sure. Beyond that, you never really know if you are getting the real thing or just a bad translation by a biased publishing firm. I hope this helps you in your quest, but why ask me?
What i meant to say is Hi me again you said your an atheist atheist believes in nothing and you talk about unicorns they are called fags do the math atheist being dark no light and a FAG who chooses not to reproduce and I should believe in that NEVER good luck in life there ATHIEST
Hi me again yoh said your an atheist atheist believes in nothing and you talk snout unicorns they ard called fags do the math atheist being dark no light and a FAG who choose not to reproduce and I should believe in that NEVER goof luck in life there ATHIEST
Hi me again yoh said your an atheist atheist believes in nothing and you talk snout unicorns they ard called fags do the math atheist being dark no light and a FAG who choose not to reproduce and I should believe in that NEVER goof luck in life there ATHIEST
@0pteryx It has been my personal belief that Magickians, unlike mystics and priests, NEVER declare themselves to be what they are. Instead, they are restricted to what other people call them, for better or worse, its reputation. You are what others call you: wizard, magician, warlock, satanist, Initiate, etc. Anyone who declares himself to be one of these things... is a fraud, or a priest or a mystic.
I understand what you mean IlluminatiOvIndiana, but most people get lost in the details. I know you did a more dramatic re-enactment of the rite and not in correct form. Most people wouldn't know that it is not meant to be a real ritual.
In a bizzare twist Aliester Crowley got the rights to initiate members of his own Order into the Freemasonic body of Memphis-Misraim. Please let me know what you think of this and whether or not I am right about that. I have only seen this claim in one source.
@NegiSpringfieldof4ch The fly in the ointment is "Crowley got the rights to..." I steer away from legitimacy of lineage issues and instead concentrate on the oaths and design of the rituals themselves in order to contrast and compare BETWEEN different Rites, and then make up my own mind, rather than what some prefect told me to think, or adherence to dogma.
As a Freemason, I'm not all too sure just why any other Freemason wouldn't find these at least slightly interesting. I've had copies of some of these A&PRoM-M degree rituals for several decades, but I've never seen them worked.
Freemasonry is a system; it is not the body implementing its theories and methods. Just as it has borrowed from other systems, other systems have borrowed from it.
A word to the wise, do not take your scripts, make copies for your pals, do them, and video tape it and upload on youtube... you'll never hear the end of it!.. but I personally would love to watch, contrast and compare.
@peregrinusnoctis as a Thelemite, I can't understand why Freemasons who are not Thelemites would even bother leaving a comment. I can fully appreciate why Thelemites would be interested in these Rites, and why we did/posted them. Like sports fans whining about which is better: cricket or baseball.. useless absurdity.
??? Like Shahate said "intolerant of differing viewpoint" could also be attributed to the boring ranter.. it doesn't prove that all Freemasons and the order itself are therefore like the OTO.
If OTO was created by and emulates to this day, regular Freemasony; then one can assume it continues to respect certain aspects, and rejects others that don't comply with its other esoteric values.
There is no rant here agaist Freemasony but the anger shown resembles fanatic deism ie. antifreemasonic.
OTO even has members that were DeMolay and "red lodge" initiators, hard-core Freemasons. Not to belittle Shriners' (esp Jokers) excellent work, unlike regular Freemasons, OTO actually practices Universal Brotherhood even towards women and negros, one can see here how that Brotherhood is a tad one-sided. The only place I've ever seen masonic friction is in fact here and you can read what SOME Hiramics think of AlHallajists.
OTO, for me, was primarily a lesson in esoteric tolerance.
As much as I can see where you are coming from, I do have to politely disagree.
Although all inclusive in many ways, the Caliphate is incredibly intolerant of differing viewpoints. They practice far less fraternity than Freemasonry, in my experience, although they do pretend that everybody can join in...on the HB worship. ;)
Ah Touche', point well taken on the intolerance. I'm an example, no longer a member. But its True of any exclusive system, esp Hiramic/Jewish/"Chozen People" cults. Freemason's history is nothing but social contribution.. OTO merely emulates that same liberal ideal. Its the Degree of Elitism hair that we split. LOL OTO's got Black, Girls and Queers.
You know, I find it hard to believe that people couldn't realise this to begin with!
Besides, in most jurisdictions the Ancient and Primitive Rite Memphis/Misraim is considered irregular anyway...so what are regular Masons doing being concerned with it?!
MOST Excellent! The sad fact is: Initiation by no means guarantees enlightenment, in any school. It is easier to turn silver into gold, then trying to turn lead or worse into it. One wonders the reaction if OTO did not have its own Rites and just used the Blue Lodge Rites spuriously instead. Holy Chao!
I assume its like a tattoo. Once you wear it, you kinda have to believe your's is the best and everyone else's is degenerate, LOL
To be honest, i doubt there would be any difference at all in the reaction. OTO is already considered clandestine - not least of which because it blatantly uses Masonic ritual in so many parts, but also because of the oath taken on a VSL, as well as the confirmation of recognised degrees within the Masonic system.
Each to their own really, but i think it is impossible to deny that the OTO system has gained much from Masonic ritual structure and added little of real value that is original.
Well, OTO got everything from Masonry. It was formed by German Freemasons who studies eastern sex Rites and then later adopted Crowley's Rituals as their own. BTW, Crowley is generally recognized as the premiere Ritualist of his day, and perhaps our era. I think the replacement of Abif with AlHallaj was brilliant, and Saladin took me totally by surprise re Templar Initiation. Freemasons I've Initiated find it totally exilirating and adds to their experiance.
Oh for crying out loud, I assume you just read music and never try it out on an insturment, or just read Shakespeare but never perform, much less recite... Nobody is pretending. Its not like these guys ever rehersed, it states it is the very first read through.. What is your boat floating in?
I am a freemason and a student of esoteric occult gnosis. What do u feel would be the best topics to study first?
MrFenianbastard 5 months ago
@MrFenianbastard the stuff you don't know and are interested in..
IlluminatiOvIndiana 5 months ago
@MrFenianbastard Best topic . . . in my opinion, is the FUCK YOU, YOU PUSSY. I'd love to meet a freak like you face to face.
conan0869 2 months ago
Have you read the Quran ? Ayat ul Qursi.
nabeelmerchant 8 months ago
@nabeelmerchant yes, yawn.
IlluminatiOvIndiana 8 months ago
@IlluminatiOvIndiana Do have any knowledge about the vehicle of light ( merkeba ) through which you we can travel through the stratas ? The stratas seem to be guarded, do you have permission to pass through it ?
nabeelmerchant 8 months ago
@nabeelmerchant been there, done that. Merkaba is the name of the Temple in SF, or at least it was last time I was there 2 decades ago.
IlluminatiOvIndiana 8 months ago
@IlluminatiOvIndiana Did you visit Mecca and saw the spiral vortex, I dont know how to explain it but it was completely out of this world. If you do have knowledge of the Mecca and whether there are extra dementional beings still guarding it could you tell me about its properties if you have knowledge of it.
nabeelmerchant 8 months ago
@nabeelmerchant the kaaba for Thelemites is Boleskine. You need to go chat to a muslim, bubba. This is a Thelemic channel and as you know, abrahimic religions are the source of all devil worshipping. No matter if you are jewish, christian or muslim, they all bring up satan in all their work. Thelema is a zero based philosophy. There is NO god in Mecca (or anywhere) and only we see that. Muslims think there is and call us satan. There is NO god.
IlluminatiOvIndiana 8 months ago
@IlluminatiOvIndiana Why does the geometry and symbolism tell a different story, when the followers of the system of Thelema proclaim themselves as athiest. The system of Thelema is derived from Crowlism. I do want to know what is the agenda without spilling out the beans to the public what the geometry and symbolism mean, I will just reserve that for those who seek for it. Could you message me the agenda perhaps, for all the secrecy, not that agenda of ruling over the your fellow man.
nabeelmerchant 8 months ago
@nabeelmerchant no need to message you, everything you wish to know, truth as well as lies are easy to find on the internet. There is no recruitment, we never ask ppl to join or promote that Thelema is better than their ancient belief. To each his own, do what thou wilt.
Crowley was fixated on the symbolism of numerals. The vortex your in you previous question.?. is perhaps my zero. Zero is my God and the only true gift from Islam to the world.. not the stupid religion, but the number ZERO ..
IlluminatiOvIndiana 8 months ago
@IlluminatiOvIndiana I just want to know the agenda of the One eyed Archect, master of all the systems.
nabeelmerchant 8 months ago
@nabeelmerchant ..easy, to get laid...often.. and by a totally hot partner.. not some unpracticed virgin.. a real pro.. no... a Priestess of Bablon, queen of whores and mother of abominations, conjoined with as our Master, 666... during an eclipse... hua!.. and did I say often?... let me say it again...
How do I know this? My HGA and the ONe-EYEd are ONe and None, and when IT speaks there is life and therefore death to that life.
IlluminatiOvIndiana 8 months ago
@IlluminatiOvIndiana Also, do you know where to get the books which are being excavated under Solomon's Temple ?
nabeelmerchant 8 months ago
@nabeelmerchant the very best place to get them is to be the one digging them up, I'm pretty sure. Beyond that, you never really know if you are getting the real thing or just a bad translation by a biased publishing firm. I hope this helps you in your quest, but why ask me?
IlluminatiOvIndiana 8 months ago
@IlluminatiOvIndiana I asked you because of your age and experience, and perhaps of my inexperience in life as I am still green as a pickle.
nabeelmerchant 8 months ago
What i meant to say is Hi me again you said your an atheist atheist believes in nothing and you talk about unicorns they are called fags do the math atheist being dark no light and a FAG who chooses not to reproduce and I should believe in that NEVER good luck in life there ATHIEST
ardee1978 8 months ago
Hi me again yoh said your an atheist atheist believes in nothing and you talk snout unicorns they ard called fags do the math atheist being dark no light and a FAG who choose not to reproduce and I should believe in that NEVER goof luck in life there ATHIEST
ardee1978 8 months ago
Are you a Wizard ??? Can you grant me 3 wishes
ardee1978 8 months ago
Hi me again yoh said your an atheist atheist believes in nothing and you talk snout unicorns they ard called fags do the math atheist being dark no light and a FAG who choose not to reproduce and I should believe in that NEVER goof luck in life there ATHIEST
ardee1978 8 months ago
@ardee1978 Is that even English?
NegiSpringfieldof4ch 8 months ago
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psikyc 1 year ago
i think its very interesting stuff. just absolutely groovy.
a11ace 1 year ago
i think its very interesting stuff. just absolutely groovy.
a11ace 1 year ago
Are you a wizard?
0pteryx 1 year ago
@0pteryx It has been my personal belief that Magickians, unlike mystics and priests, NEVER declare themselves to be what they are. Instead, they are restricted to what other people call them, for better or worse, its reputation. You are what others call you: wizard, magician, warlock, satanist, Initiate, etc. Anyone who declares himself to be one of these things... is a fraud, or a priest or a mystic.
IlluminatiOvIndiana 1 year ago
I understand what you mean IlluminatiOvIndiana, but most people get lost in the details. I know you did a more dramatic re-enactment of the rite and not in correct form. Most people wouldn't know that it is not meant to be a real ritual.
In a bizzare twist Aliester Crowley got the rights to initiate members of his own Order into the Freemasonic body of Memphis-Misraim. Please let me know what you think of this and whether or not I am right about that. I have only seen this claim in one source.
NegiSpringfieldof4ch 1 year ago
@NegiSpringfieldof4ch The fly in the ointment is "Crowley got the rights to..." I steer away from legitimacy of lineage issues and instead concentrate on the oaths and design of the rituals themselves in order to contrast and compare BETWEEN different Rites, and then make up my own mind, rather than what some prefect told me to think, or adherence to dogma.
IlluminatiOvIndiana 1 year ago
As a Freemason, I'm not all too sure just why any other Freemason wouldn't find these at least slightly interesting. I've had copies of some of these A&PRoM-M degree rituals for several decades, but I've never seen them worked.
Freemasonry is a system; it is not the body implementing its theories and methods. Just as it has borrowed from other systems, other systems have borrowed from it.
Thanks for posting!
peregrinusnoctis 2 years ago
Brother, you are Square, ON the Level and True.
A word to the wise, do not take your scripts, make copies for your pals, do them, and video tape it and upload on youtube... you'll never hear the end of it!.. but I personally would love to watch, contrast and compare.
Thank you for your comment.
IlluminatiOvIndiana 2 years ago
@peregrinusnoctis as a Thelemite, I can't understand why Freemasons who are not Thelemites would even bother leaving a comment. I can fully appreciate why Thelemites would be interested in these Rites, and why we did/posted them. Like sports fans whining about which is better: cricket or baseball.. useless absurdity.
IlluminatiOvIndiana 1 year ago
??? Like Shahate said "intolerant of differing viewpoint" could also be attributed to the boring ranter.. it doesn't prove that all Freemasons and the order itself are therefore like the OTO.
If OTO was created by and emulates to this day, regular Freemasony; then one can assume it continues to respect certain aspects, and rejects others that don't comply with its other esoteric values.
There is no rant here agaist Freemasony but the anger shown resembles fanatic deism ie. antifreemasonic.
TigerLeahu 2 years ago
"it's a shame to have attempted to correct you."
...LOL..duh! Its not yer job mate.
IlluminatiOvIndiana 2 years ago
I do have another question actually. Did you find any problems arising out of the fact that you had Freemasons who were also OTO initiates?
In many areas this is unacceptable and I am interested in your experience of such.
Shahate 2 years ago
OTO even has members that were DeMolay and "red lodge" initiators, hard-core Freemasons. Not to belittle Shriners' (esp Jokers) excellent work, unlike regular Freemasons, OTO actually practices Universal Brotherhood even towards women and negros, one can see here how that Brotherhood is a tad one-sided. The only place I've ever seen masonic friction is in fact here and you can read what SOME Hiramics think of AlHallajists.
OTO, for me, was primarily a lesson in esoteric tolerance.
IlluminatiOvIndiana 2 years ago
As much as I can see where you are coming from, I do have to politely disagree.
Although all inclusive in many ways, the Caliphate is incredibly intolerant of differing viewpoints. They practice far less fraternity than Freemasonry, in my experience, although they do pretend that everybody can join in...on the HB worship. ;)
Shahate 2 years ago
Ah Touche', point well taken on the intolerance. I'm an example, no longer a member. But its True of any exclusive system, esp Hiramic/Jewish/"Chozen People" cults. Freemason's history is nothing but social contribution.. OTO merely emulates that same liberal ideal. Its the Degree of Elitism hair that we split. LOL OTO's got Black, Girls and Queers.
IlluminatiOvIndiana 2 years ago
@IlluminatiOvIndiana Negro's way to stay classy OTO
commodityfx 1 year ago
You know, I find it hard to believe that people couldn't realise this to begin with!
Besides, in most jurisdictions the Ancient and Primitive Rite Memphis/Misraim is considered irregular anyway...so what are regular Masons doing being concerned with it?!
Shahate 2 years ago
MOST Excellent! The sad fact is: Initiation by no means guarantees enlightenment, in any school. It is easier to turn silver into gold, then trying to turn lead or worse into it. One wonders the reaction if OTO did not have its own Rites and just used the Blue Lodge Rites spuriously instead. Holy Chao!
I assume its like a tattoo. Once you wear it, you kinda have to believe your's is the best and everyone else's is degenerate, LOL
IlluminatiOvIndiana 2 years ago
To be honest, i doubt there would be any difference at all in the reaction. OTO is already considered clandestine - not least of which because it blatantly uses Masonic ritual in so many parts, but also because of the oath taken on a VSL, as well as the confirmation of recognised degrees within the Masonic system.
Each to their own really, but i think it is impossible to deny that the OTO system has gained much from Masonic ritual structure and added little of real value that is original.
Shahate 2 years ago
Well, OTO got everything from Masonry. It was formed by German Freemasons who studies eastern sex Rites and then later adopted Crowley's Rituals as their own. BTW, Crowley is generally recognized as the premiere Ritualist of his day, and perhaps our era. I think the replacement of Abif with AlHallaj was brilliant, and Saladin took me totally by surprise re Templar Initiation. Freemasons I've Initiated find it totally exilirating and adds to their experiance.
IlluminatiOvIndiana 2 years ago
Which tattoo did you wear? McMurty or Grant's?
no1smootha 2 years ago
I never advanced that far up the Degrees to get the tattoo. My wife on the other hand did. I got off the Initiations at PI and refused KEW twice.
IlluminatiOvIndiana 2 years ago
Oh for crying out loud, I assume you just read music and never try it out on an insturment, or just read Shakespeare but never perform, much less recite... Nobody is pretending. Its not like these guys ever rehersed, it states it is the very first read through.. What is your boat floating in?
TigerLeahu 2 years ago