Part 1 Affirming the Book of Mormon Narrative

[TheSkepticChristian]

and not a flat disc

[IExposeMormonism]

You're sorta walking into one... "Hardy performs a miraculous feat here:: He gives the Book of Mormon a basis of Reality". Funny. That basis must include a landscape. Some coins and metal swords, perhaps? If the book of Mormon isn't "The Truth", but Nephi's interpretation of truth, the story must reflect real history it describes. Text must be true history. Ergo, Real evidence must exist. Real Events on a Real Continent are described. The Oahspe and Scientology were excluded, minute 10:30

[TheSkepticChristian]

@IExposeMormonism You again LOL

TheBackyardprofessor should block your account, nobody likes spam.

1) You have no shred of evidence to support your beliefs.

2) There are many evidences that support the Book of Mormon, probably more than the Bible.

3) The Book of Mormon does not mention coins, and metal swords were extremely rare in Nephite history.

[IExposeMormonism]

@TheSkepticChristian I posted no spam. I have quoted Exactly what JS said in relation to the Letters of Reformed Egyptian present by Martin to Anthon. I had to repeat myself on a typed page because you are incapable of following the line of thought presented here. There is no "evidence" on the letters/statements except the words of JS and Anthon. If you want evidence then you should quit Mormonism today. The BofM does mention coins you should know it. I can prove it.

[TheSkepticChristian]

@IExposeMormonism 1) This is another backyardprofesor video. If you want to talk about Anton, reply to me on the other video.

2) I know a lot more than you think, I have studied both sides, including secular criticism against my church. However, I still believe my church it's true.

3) any evidence that you are right?? Noo.

4) The Book of Mormon does NOT mention coins, you are dishonest again.

Which scripture mentions coins or nephite coinage?? Which???

Scripture, not summary opinion.

[IExposeMormonism]

@TheSkepticChristian I have numerous BofM and We Both Know Coins are mentioned. Don't be so disingenuous. Is Mormon Money axe handles? Nephite coin/money Alma11:4 Hela5:7 & 2Nephi26:31 (money) Next you'll deny Adam=God Doctrine and the origins of blood atonement and polygamy. The Evidence I've provided are the Quotes of JS and Anthon. I have quoted them accurately.

[TheSkepticChristian]

@IExposeMormonism You are not a intellectual critic of my church, you are just an anti-Mormon street preacher.

Money does not have to be coins. In the old world, they used weights before coins were invented.

Brigham Young is dead, and the church renounced polygamy.

So what in the world is your problem with my church? I can cite peer-reviewed papers, statistics from the government, and current/historical facts on why the evangelical cult is a disgrace to society.

[IExposeMormonism]

@TheSkepticChristian I simply quote, in its entirety. I let reality take care of the rest....Weights were used as what? Coins? Money? Weights are mentioned in the 3 ref I gave:: As a component \between metals and as a fractional comparison between metals but "weights" were not coins. Not even Lead Wheel weights. Metals were made into coins, values based on weight. wages are mentioned money is mentioned. If those aren't references to coinage//money, to what do they refer

[TheSkepticChristian]

@IExposeMormonism The ancients used weights, before coins existed in the near east. The BofMormon talks about standardized weights of metal, or pieces of metal, NOT coins .System of weights and measures in Mesoamerican were proto-monetary practices

Source:

Marion Popenoe de Hatch, Kaminaljuyú/San Jorge: Evidencia Arqueológica de la Actividad Económica en el Valle de Guatemala, 300 a.C. a 300 d.C (Guatemala: Universidad del Valle de Guatemala, 1997), 100

I proven that you are dishonest, again.

[TheSkepticChristian]

@IExposeMormonism The Book of Mormon talks about weights of metal, or pieces of metal, NOT coins. They used weights in the ancient near east.

There was a proto-monetary system of weights and measures in MesoAmerica.

Source:

Marion Popenoe de Hatch, Kaminaljuyú/San Jorge: "Evidencia Arqueológica de la Actividad Económica en el Valle de Guatemala", 300 a.C. a 300 d.C (Guatemala: Universidad del Valle de Guatemala, 1997), 100

Paper from university in Guatemala. I proved that you are a liar.

[IExposeMormonism]

@TheSkepticChristian Oh?Alma 11:4-20 "names of (metals) according to their VALUE...Measure...the Reckoning is thus...Senine of gold, a seon of gold..a senum of silver was Equal to a senine of silver..for grain (Exchange, get it?) .etc...now this is the VALUE...it was for gain because they received their WAGES...that they might Employ...get MONEY. And so on. Surely you can see how the inheritors of the True Restoriation would believe COINS were involved? Money certainly was

[TheSkepticChristian]

@IExposeMormonism I already told you, Alma 1:4-20 is talking about weights, not coins. Money is equivalent to weights, but they were not coins.

I even cited a Paper from a secular university, to show you that a proto-monetary system of weights existed in MesoAmerica from 300 BC - 300 AD

I don't have time to keep respoding to your bias, which is extremely easy to handle. I don't like to waste my time debating street preachers, I want to debate a intellectual critic instead.

[IExposeMormonism]

@TheSkepticChristian You're lucky you have me to put with you. Quite simply you're wrong. Alma give metals, comparisons in value, measures, use of the word "wage" "money", 'employ" "value". We use cheap metals in coins and paper for money. Coins are money. money is a thing used in exchange between people for a value. Maybe you define coins and money and wages differently from the rest of the human race? Define your terms. Mine are in a dictionary.

[TheSkepticChristian]

@IExposeMormonism

People used pieces of metal of given weights as a kind of proto-currency. I cited a Paper from Guatemala university, to prove that the there was proto-monetary system in MesoAmerica, during BofM times.

Another Example:

" people of Mesopotamia began using ingots of precious metals in exchange for goods...people called the uniform weights of gold and silver minas, shekels"

The history of money: from sandstone to cyberspace By J. McIver Weatherford

[IExposeMormonism]

@TheSkepticChristian So, basically, the BofM is incorrect when it uses all the words I quoted. And all those many years of BofM describing money, wages, etc all were in error. I then must be wrong..I was quoting BofM and those Mormons, part of the True Restoration, who sought diligently to prove all in the BofM true. You seem to be saying the BofM isn't true! You must be a New Age Mormon!

[TheSkepticChristian]

@IExposeMormonism Do research in any academic source.

BofM is consistent with the MesoAmerican proto-currency sytem, during that time period. BofM never mentions coins, they were pieces of metal, which is the equivalent to a coin, but without a stamp. IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE.

"From Primitive and Ancient Money to the Invention of Coinage 3,000-600 BC"

Davies, Glyn. A History of money from ancient times to the present day, 3rd. ed. Cardiff: University of Wales Press, 2002

[Dalessiokiller]

@TheSkepticChristian You have patience my friend.

[paulandlesson]

Today I found your videos on chess. As I looked further I obviously found your LDS views. Growing up I had 2 close friends. One was a Mormon, so I have always followed research in that field. I am am a 44 year old retired professor. I say this because things I research I do according to what academics would call rational. I have a solid base in Judeo-Christian, beliefs/history etc. The past several years, I have focused on the 2 American religions. Mormonism and Scientology

[TheBackyardProfessor]

@paulandlesson

Ah, I would enjoy very much having some discussions and learning with you....... I haven't given up on Chess, I just find so darn much I want to explore in so many other areas also....ayiyi...... I can't specialize in anything, and I can't learn as much as I want to about everything that interests me..... talk about a dilemma for life - GRIN!

[TheSkepticChristian]

@TheBackyardProfessor Wow, I can't believe some people can't understand anything I tell them.

[IExposeMormonism]

@TheSkepticChristian Oh, so now Cumorah is somewhere is SA? Why are the city name is the Eastern USA and not SA? No money, or whatever you wish to obfuscate the definition of "coin" with, will be found in Cumorah NY nor SA. Just dig up the First Cumorah. I have 6 editions of the BofM and 4 show coins and money in index, chapter. All the definitions of what money is and how it was used then and now are defined in Alma:: Wights, money, value, ratios of values between metals.

[TheSkepticChristian]

@IExposeMormonism What a straw man, but I will give you the definition of a coin -

"a flat disc or piece of metal with an official stamp, used as money" (Oxford Dictionaries)

BofM does not mention flat disc or a stamp metal, therefore it's not a coin. By your logic, every piece of metal is a coin. The definition says nothing about wages, ect.

Can't pieces of metal be used as money?? Or have value??

Anyways, of course we have found pieces of metal near Cumorah, in MesoAmerica.

You failed

[clearpathtofollw]

@TheSkepticChristian No offense dude, because I'm a mormon too, but you argue and debate way too much. No one is going to be right or wrong, and no one's mind is getting changes. Let it go.

[paulandlesson]

I will start by saying that Mormons I know are outstanding people, they are successful, friendly and are what I would call good people. I have friends that have done the 2 year mission, I have attended Mormon weddings (not allowed in the temple of course). I bring this to you as I would like to offer a line of civil discourse with you. P

[skyaglow]

im sure Nephi shed many tears over the hardness of his brethren yet He displayed great strength and wisdom in his words

[skyaglow]

the faith of us all will be tried and tested during this mortal life, even the Prophets - great men of God.

[EltonJThe]

Mormon was a tragic character, Nephi -- yes, Tragic. Its sad, though. Nephi's family broke up over a point of pride. If Laman caught the Holy Ghost, the Nephite civilization wouldn't be so diametrically opposed. A point of pride, who would get to lead the colony.

[dunklaw]

Just for clarity : ISBN10: 0199731705