Bullshit, nothing the 49ers were holding on almost every offensive play, watch the film. And Eli was getting mugged in that game, no penalties called, so everything evened out.
that shit was totally rigged! you heard espn just bragging about how good the giants had become and hardly ever gave the 49ers credit for making it past the saints into the championship game. the NFL and ESPN did not want to see the 49ers win their 6th super bowl title. shit was RIGGED.
honestly i was sooooo pissed when this happened because i KNEW that the refs had cheated us out of a turnover. But no i dont believe the refs had rigged the game on purpose. as a faithful 49er fan the person who made this video just needs to drop it. AND ATTENTION TO ALL OTHER PEOPLE not all 49ers fans are sore losers or sore winners we have just as much of those type of people as the next team. so stop catorgorizing all 49er fans as sore losers and sore winners cuz were not. only some
As I watched NFL Reply on the NFL Channel, there's no doubt in my mind that 49ers put up a valient effort agants the Giants, and they have nothing to be ashamed of, but if you 49er fans continue to cry about how your team was cheated, I will have to rethink my opinion of you by slapping you on the back and have you chase me down for an apology as I make way to celebrate the NEW YORK GIANTS VICTORY!! Now, see what you 49er fans made me do? I forgot where I put my beer!
LOL Niner Fans You are the Fans Who Make Me Laugh So Much!!!! Everytime you dont have a win you start with the excuses. That was forward progress the 2 defenders were pulling him back no way he was gunna break the tackle he had no intention to get loose FACE IT YOU LOST GET OVER IT COME BACK NEXT SEASON JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE CUZ THEY WERE BETTER THAN YOU IN THIS GAME
This is how dumb this video is. The first Kyle Williams turnover in the NFC championship game the one that hit his knee. That turnover was ruled initially to be 49ers ball. The Giants had to waste a challenge to get the ball back. If they wanted the Giants to win the Giants would have never had to challenge on that turnover.
The funny thing Is if the 9er fans watched all the videos on why the NFL would have a conspiracy against oakland. They wouldnt believe it. And there is solid evidence! But hear where the call could have gone either way they get pissed!
im over this call now im 49ers fan i wanted it to be fumble it should of been considering the ball came out second before the whistle was even blown. It was really Kyle Williams that cost the 49ers with two key punt return fumbles
You 49ers fans are still whining about this game? Give it up you lost, there is 60 minutes in a football game so your team had plenty of chances to beat the Giants. Are you guys going to be like the Seahawks that bring up 2005 every season? I hope not.
Did the ref force your punt returner to fumble twice? Did New York pay him to do so? That was a close call that could have went either way. There are 100 plays like that in a game that can be called either way. Holding can be called on every snap. Tuck rule, Burt Emanuel catch etc. No game is called perfectly. 49ers could barely move the ball on offense. Was that the refs fault? In the words of a certain ESPN segment"COME ON MAN!" Besides, Patriots would have owned u in the Super Bowl. Go GMEN
Your wrong. Your points are right but 2 defenders hit him and fought to drive him back the whistle was blown right before he was being brought down by the back because it was already ruled forward progress. Look at it closely again he was engaged by 2 people then started to be dragged down and then the ball popped out the ref on the other side of the field blew his whistle and had already ran over and ruled it forward progress. Im not a Giants fan but a Bengals one. And with this your wrong.
No conspiracy, you just can't let go of the pain. move on.
It's football, back in 2002 there was a very blatant bad call in a playoff game between these same 2 teams. The NFL acknowledged this and apologized... nothing was stated on this call, except that it was the right call.
49ers were the best team...they got screwed first by the refs and then by their punt returner so they lost. End of story. Giants didn't do much to deserve this win. Refs gave them a second chance and SF handed them the game in that second chance
Don't forget the fact that the referee closest to the play threw his bean bag to mark the spot of the fumble. That comes out before the whistle so he saw the fumble.
@theEARinHEAR you can't blame the refs when the 49ers had plenty of chances to win. Stop the Giants on 3rd and 15. They didn't. It's easy to say take out the Williams fumbles and the 49ers win. Take out the 2 Davis TD's and the Giants win. Goes both ways. No one is talking about the Pats-Ravens game so stop trying to deflect the attention off of you being a dumb fuck. If you watches football you would know bad calls happens. GB got every questionable call in their 2 games with the Giant
The NFL wanted to Giants in the SB, thats why GB was getting every call against the Giants the week before. The Packers scored their only 2 TDs on drives that were kept alive by bad calls. How come the 49ers didnt stop the NYG on 3rd and 15 earlier in the 4th? If they held them to a FG they most likely win but The NYG got a TD. Where were the refs there? Where were the refs when the ball clearly bounced off Williams knee but they called it SF ball? The Giants had to challenge to get the ball
@TL2354 LOL is that the best excuse you can come up with? What a MORON. I guess the refs made Baltimore miss the field goal so New England would win too right....fucking IDIOT
Who cares? The Giants proved they are the BEST in the NFL this season and Packers fans, 49ers fans and Gaytriot fans can cry a river all they want! G-MEN!
@jjmst55 They had a very nice run combined with a lot of luck. However, I am certainly not the only one who believes the Giants would have been trampled if they had to play the Saints in NO.
all you whiners have to grasp at is some borderline judgement call? what a bunch of babies - starting with that no class sore loser head coach (barely a handshake after the game) and he cried in the media about this call the day after the game. even when the giants got screwed in 2002, there wasn't this much whining from their end. grow up you cry babies.
@tjr0ver There wasn't that much whining in 2002? Please the Giants were bitching about that no call all day the following day. All fans gripe about no calls on both sides when their team loses. Stop making it seem like NY fans never complain. Everybody knows NY fans are notorious whiners. I was upset at the call the time it happened, but we had plenty of other opportunites to put the game away and didn't. The Giants deserved to win this game. But all fans whine at some point.
@theEARinHear What the hell are you talking about? Did you even read what I wrote or do you just like talking out your ass. And you guys sucked it up? Of course you'd say that you're a Giants fan. Please tell me you are not that ignorant.
@tjr0ver yeah! I remember that foul play on the jail break play when the would be receiver got pulled down seconds before the ball got there.....no flag was thrown & we sucked it up
To prove my point about an NFL game, here is a clip from a college football game. Please disregard my heinous lack of credibility while you enjoy my video of nonsensical "points" and made up rules.
ok this video is stupid forward progress is stopped when a player fro, the other team pushes the player with the ball back if the runner had been fighting for yardage no whistle would have been blown
makes me sick to this day to see this.the day i heard hocchile however you spell that idiots name one of these teams was gonna get screwed and in the end it was my niners.that ref is by far the worst official in the nfl how he refs playoff games is beyond me if you want an example you tube chargers broncos game few years back lol
Got to say that was a bad call, but also this video does a horrible job showing forward progress. The first video the runner's knee hits the ground. Hes really down by contact there but the refs suck. The second video the dude got stood up and tackled you can't even hear a whistle.
The Giants got completely screwed over on a couple of calls against the Packers. Guess what? They overcame them and won convincingly against a 15-win team on the road. Quit whining. You want to win, don't go 1 for 13 on third down conversions or three-and-out the last 4 times you get the ball.
@sweetieasylum Yea but that was early in the game against Green Bay...this time the game was won by SF and the refs decided to keep the Giants alive on a horrible call. If the right call is made, game over no time for NY to recover. Though give the Giants credit on winning the game after the refs gave them a second chance. As for the 49ers offense say all you want, fact is the manage 17 points on 3 good drives on NY offense 10 points on 2 good drives.
@lestat83bv Lol.. another pathetic and delusional 49er fan.. have you ever watched football a day in your life before that game? Do you understand the rules of the game? Bradshaw was being PULLED BACK by one player and PUSHED BACK by another player and he gets the ball stripped and he is being driven BACKWARDS by 2 guys. Foward progress has clearly been stopped, so what bad call are you bitching about? You crying fans can never admit when your team gets beat by a better squad, can you? Pussies.
@Amgbenz0 What are you talking about, including all the analyst said the ref blew the whistle too quick...this is not flag football, the guy was in the process of being tackled. Yea he was being tackled backwards but that I watch football all year and that is called a fumble every time. So I guess now when you touch a guy to stop him you can't strip the ball uh? And what better team are you talking about? The one that only manage 10 points and had to get a SF player to win it for them
@scottie777444 Not all the analysts said that they blew the whistle too quick, and you need to learn a thing or two "Pal", First Take and every other show on ESPN are exactly that, SHOWS. Its not entertaining abd wont real in any views nor will they have much to talk about if they all agree on everything, theyre always going to pick different sides, right or wrong. And they didnt just touch Bradshaw, he was TOUCHED at the 21, and was stripped at the 19. Do your homework child.
East coast bias. EastSPN and all the other east coast centric sports networks wanted the New Yawk Giants in the Super Bowl because we all know New Yawk is the center of the universe. :-/
@408maloWS the giants had 20 points, 352 total yards, 20 first downs and no turnovers. how is that lights out defense? the 49ers didnt win because it was the giants defense that dominated.
@jkang530 No we won because Jaquan Williams stripped Kyle Williams. . . something that is practiced all the time. No fluke, just good football being played.
Yes, that was one bad call for the Giants. Its happens all the time.
I will say that I've never seen a play whistled dead exactly the way that one was. Also, there were other similar plays in that game, I distinctly remember, where plays in which the runner was being pushed backwards but the play was not whistled dead until he hit the ground.
your point is stupid...when defenders push you backwards, and you give up on the play, and then the whistle is blown, you're down. he lost forward progress
In your second point you said that forward progress is only granted if 2 or more defenders are on the runner and the runner is falling in an awkward position, yet there is TWO defenders on Bradshaw and he appears to be falling pretty awkwardly. So basically you just proved yourself wrong.
Niners had their chances to win, and didn't get it done,- but this was definitely a horrible call. A great strip fumble, and Niner recovery. Still a great game, especially defensively.
@2SANFRANCISCO It wasnt a horrible call, your just a biased fan with either no clue what the foward progress rule is, or you do but your just in complete denial. Hes being pulled backwards, and then pushed backwards at the same time by 2 players, with no chance to advance to ball since he was falling and being driven BACKWARDS. Then the ball gets stripped right before he hits the ground, how much easier does a call get then that. Learn the rules and stop crying like a bitch.
@Amgbenz0 Now go explain the ''Tuck Rule'' to the Oakland Raiders,- or a proper TD Catch to Megatron,- you clueless ''biased fan''. Everyone knows it was a shitty call. ONE guy had him and was in the process of making the clean/undangerous tackle,- and he got stripped before being down by another, how much easier does a call get than that. Learn how not be a You Tube trolling piece of shit, and stop crying like a bitch. You wannabee self righteous Fucking Loser. Get a life.
@2SANFRANCISCO Whos everyone? All the 49er fans? Hahaha.. thats how i know that your clueless about football and the rules, your talking about "undangerous" tackles when that has nothing to do with the foward progress rule, but you got it from the beginning of this video that was made by another 49er fan just as dumb as you are. Read the rule book and dont be mad at the world that your team lost you faggot. He was contacted at the 21, lost posession at the 19 while falling BACKWARDS. Dumb fuck.
@2SANFRANCISCO When did i say it matters where he lands? Are having a hard time reading and understanding the english language? He was driven back 2 yards, and then stripped while still moving backwards, hence the ruling that his foward progress was stopped. Is that clear enough for you? And next time take a little longer to think of a better joke instead of some corny shit.. scooby doo underwear and suckin on your mothers tit sounds like something a 12 year old would say. Lame ass faggot.
@Amgbenz0 Driven back? He was tackled from behind at the 20 and landed at the 18. He fumbled as he was being tackled. Unless there is a rule that says you can't fumble the ball falling backwards this was a MAJOR screw up that caused SF the game.
@lestat83bv He fumbled after being driven back 2 yards, therefore the play is dead, no fumble. How do you not understand this? He was contacted at the 21, the player wrapped around his body and started pulling him down from behind, then Patrick Willis comes in and drives him back 2 yards to the 19 and just as his shoulders lean back and hes falling on his ass, the ball becomes exposed and Willis jars it out.
@Amgbenz0 What we can't agree on is that I don't see him being driven back, I see him being tackled and the ball being strip as he was falling down backwards. He's being taken down not driven back. When was the last time you saw a ref blow a whistle half a second after contact like that? Like I said unless there is a rule that says that a player can't fumble the ball if he is falling backwards as he is being tackled then this should be a fumble and MOST people agree
@lestat83bv He wasn't tackled because he was intially hit then 2 people came afterwards in order to tackle him. Technically he sustained 3 hits and fought forward in order to gain more yards on that play. In turn there were then 3 people on him that hit him and caused him to keep going. Because the tackle by the foot wasn't successful anything after that is counted towards forward progress. Again not a Giants fan but a Bengals one and im just telling you what i see.
@SmellySack345 So by your judgement are you saying it should've been a fumble? Cuz if I'm not mistaken if a guy is fighting for yards and ball is stripped, that's a fumble. Same thing is ball is stripped in the process of the tackle
@lestat83bv With that being the case, that play is now considered dead, fumble or not. Since he never re-established a foward motion at any point between first contact and the "fumble" and his only progress during that group tackle was straight backwards, and he was being controlled by the defenders with no chance to fight for yardage, the play is over. Mike P said it was the correct call as well, even after viewing it in slow motion, so where do any 49er fans get off saying it was a screw up?
@2SANFRANCISCO "and stop crying like a bitch".. If you werent talking to yourself or to your fellow 49er fans, then i dont know where you are headed with that. Im not crying, im happy with the outcome of that game, and im happy with the call that was made by the guys who actually study the rules, not the biased butthurt fans of the losing team who go on youtube and pretend like they know something and believe everything is a conspiracy theory Lmao. Go cry yourself to sleep now child.
@Amgbenz0 Your happy with it because it gives your no life having dip shit ass a reason to you tube troll. Your a fucking joke. The only conspiracy is your birth. Now go put your Scooby Doo underwear back on, and suckle your mommy's teet....well, after she gets off my nutts. Later Pee Wee.
..I wish our fans would stop posting garbage like this.... it just looks like your crying. His forward progress had stopped and he was falling backwards with no chance of recovering. as for Mr123Yoyoyy our guy didnt need to gang tackle bradshaw but im sure yours is a biased opinion and your lashing out at this video. the first tackle missed and the 2nd tackle had him dead to rights. the extra tackles happen every play with our defense just go look at the tape. our guys play to the whistle.
The Giants didn't even score on that drive, so to prove your case, you're going to have to point at another part of the game which shows the referees clearly giving the game to the Giants. Even in this case, if SF did get the ball back in the Giants' red zone, we can only make a guess of what would happen next. Biased SF fans would say SF would have scored. Biased Giants' fans would have said SF would have not scored. Unbiased opinion: who knows?
@sportsisntfair Maybe. But as I said, biased SF fan would say that the 49'ers would have scored, a biased Giants fan would've said JPP would've blocked the kick (as in the Cowboy's game), and an unbiased fan would've said "who knows". In all fairness, SF played a hell of a defensive game, and they had their chances to win it in OT, but Williams made a crucial mistake. This video still can't outright prove the game was stolen from SF via referee corruption.
@sportsisntfair it wasnt a fumble whistle was blown way before the ball came out and if 49ers did get the ball do you think they would score? 1 for 13 on third down and ur only 3rd down conversion was at the end of the half? 49ers lost fair a square cuz there offence is horrible but defence is good get better wide reciviers
@sportsisntfair of course you would like to think that that's the way it would've happened since you're a 9er fan, my take is they would've gotten backed up with the rush attack & possibly a sack fumble with the ball going the other way by JPP for 6
@sportsisntfair I find it hilarious when the "Things to Note" comes up before the video starts. Everything you wrote there is completely false, and you need to start watching more football and stop being a conspiracy theorist. "Foward progree is rarely called unless the QB is involved".. Are u fucking retarded? Lmao.. Your number 2 was even more retarded, only you number 1 made sense, but you fail to realize Bradshaw was controlled and had no chance to fight for extra yards. Dumb bastard.
@Bassai I second sportsisntfair. that was the niners game to win. NFL cheated 49ers out of going to the super bowl because we were a feel good story but not supposed to go to super bowl. too much money and ratings to lose for the east coast.
@bLzD209 I said the 49'ers weren't cheated outright because they had a bunch of chances to score after this referee screw-up. The game lasted more than two hours, right? If this is the only instance within game-time that shows this kind of referee screw-up, then saying that the referees gave the game away simply does not make sense. SF had the ball many times and moved it effectively, more so than the Giants (despite what stats say). Williams gave away the game, not the refs.
@bLzD209 Your retarded. Learn the rules of the game and stop being so biased and then maybe youll realize one day that this was clearly the correct call. His foward progress had been stopped with no opportunity to fight for yardage and he was on his way down, being pulled backwards and pushed backwards at the same time by 2 players, and then was stripped right before he falls on his ass. Stop crying like a bitch and learn something about football before you make an ass out of yourself.
@Bassai 49ers have the ball at the 20 yard line with 2 minutes left on a tie game...if you don't think that's a win 99% of the time (especially with a Pro Bowl kicker) then you don't know football pal
@Bassai Yea that's why I said 99% of the time...something really wrong could happen once in awhile but you want to tell me in that scenario you wouldn't bet big on a 49ers win? Didn't think so
@lestat83bv As I said, an unbiased fan would say: who knows. Maybe that 1% of yours could happen. Just like there was a 1% chance the Giants would have scored a safety on their first score in the SB. SF played a hell of a game, and had there chances to score in OT. But it was Williams who made that crucial mistake that caused their loss, not this bad call by the refs.
@Bassai True Williams is as much to blame for loss. But the defense was so good that they forced a fumble that would've MOST LIKELY win the game despite dumbass Williams and bad offense for most of game. I think Williams and that bad call cost equally because if one doesn't happen, SF wins. It's easier to take when the team screws up but for the refs to have an equally big game-deciding screw up its harder to swallow
@Jester2055 I'm a Giants fan, and while I agree with you, it probably shouldn't have been called in this case, but refs make mistakes.
Of course, because they did now every Niners is calling it a conspiracy because they can't deal with the fact that they have a shitty punt returner. People make mistakes. Kyle Williams is proof of that. To blame the refs is pathetic.
maybe the 49ers having near ZERO production out of their WR corps, a marginal game from their QB, and only 2 fluke scores from their big TE who was otherwise held in check - had more to do with them losing? like i already said, this call was borderline at best but the giants did get HOSED in 2002. so - BUMMER to you.
@tjr0ver Alex smith is good. He hasn't had a good team. I often compare him to Joe "Bum" Flacco, who has had a good team for his whole career and STILL hasnt gotten them past a conference championship. Alex Smith in his FIRST season of having a decent team? Leads the 49ers to a 13-3 record and to a conference championship. With 1 great target and 3 decent ones, thats fucking impressive. Numbers dont lie. And who cares if the Giants got hosed in 02, Pats lost the superbowl, ( :( ) But no payback.
the HOE line of the giants was holding all damn day...and yet no flags were thrown?? you busters out there better believe it was more of a 49ers loss than a giants win...
Anyway, there is nothing that says the 49ers wouldn't have fumbled AGAIN (they seem to have a problem with that) and there is also nothing to say that they would have even scored a TD or kicked a field goal. Get over yourself San Francisco.
@ccleary2 Are you serious? Kyle Williams GAVE the Giants 10 points. Take those ten points off and what's the score? There should have never been an OT in the first place. The Giants offense didn't make it past midfield AT ALL in the 2nd half or OT without those missed punts.
@DaviddddEO "Kyle GAVE the Giants 10 points." Like I said, the Niners played just as awful as the Giants did, whether it be one player or the whole team. You're right, had Kyle Williams not fumbled the ball you guys would have won. So don't blame the refs, blame your own team and quit being a jackass.
You're going to blame the referees for losing? The Niners played just as terrible as the Giants, hence the score being tied. How about you blame Kyle Williams instead of blaming the refs for a "questionable" call.
Fuck that rigged or not, the 49ers should've been the ones in the superbowl, giants didnt deserve that win, they got let off the hook by kyle williams spoon feeding them the win, they talk about how great eli was throughout the playoffs but they never spoke about how the 49ers had him on lock in the 2nd half, and only reason he got that last TD to manningham was bcuz of the great field positioning Kyle williams dumb ass gave them with the muffed punt, and the fumble, 49ERS 2012-13 CHAMPIONS
shut the fuck up, bradshaw fumbled when he was moving backwards after the whistle blew, it was the right call, ur just an immature niners fan who can't handle the fact that they lost. Grow the fuck up and stop making excuses
@Bradyy412 you gotta be kidding me...so one step back constitutes forward progress...what if he would've broke it and gained another 3 yards? It was a horseshit call. At least be mature enough to acknowledge that.
@mess40 You should be mature enough to acknowledge that it was the correct call and the 9'ers just got beat by a better team. Its not about the 1 step back, its about the fact that he was controlled, and was being pulled back by one guy, and pushed back by another and being driven BACKWARDS to the ground when the ball came out. I dont understand the confusion? Its a clear cut foward progress call, and yet you still have hundreds of delusional 9'er fans who wont admit it. Stop crying already.
@firerustdragon . And special ed academies are allowing free admissions for retards like yourself. The better team won? Ahaahahahaha yeah thats why you only took the lead in the second half after idiot Kyle williams lets the ball hit him and virtually GIVES you the ball back after you were down 14-10 with ten minutes to go and werent doing anything offensively the entire second half but for those two kyle williams mistakes
@Irishcookies2009 Statistically the Giants played a better game then the 49ers so what are you getting at? Even your own fans are saying that the better team won, so stop crying like a little girl. You had 14 points that both came off of blown coverage on Vernon Davis, and didnt do shit else. Your QB got pressured all day, your Pro Bowl running back got contained, and your shit WR's didnt do anything all game. Blame Kyle Williams all you want, but you werent moving the ball and were 1-13 on 3rd.
@DFresh1408 Its a correct, clear cut foward progress call but your football IQ seems to be too weak to know what constitutes as foward progress and what doesnt.
Wow.. You niners fans have excuses for everything.. If the game was "Rigged" as most of you fans gave excuses for it.. The first Vernon Davis touchdown would of been reversed as he CLEARLY stepped out of bounds. Don't blame the refs for Kyle Williams' Mistakes.
Niners overcame adversity for Kyle Williams botched catch. Then they cause a fumble. The guy wasn't even wrapped up, and didn't even get driven back more than a yard. Let them play. Niners are better. Hands down.
The refs are taught to call the play so it is reversible. Clearly, the the ref called it so that it would not be a fumble. The whole "Refs are humans" is pure bullshit. The Niners have been getting fucked by the refs all year. I'm not calling conspiracy but that fumble would have won the game for the 49ers. It's bullshit.
@ClypseProductions Yea too bad it wasnt a funble though, so it doesnt matter what the Niner "could have" done if it was. Learn the rules, and maybe youll understand why this was called foward progress. The refs arent taught shit, they just call it as they see it. They didnt call the Lee Evans catch a TD so it would be automatically reviewed as a scoring play, they just called it incomplete because thats what they saw.
@Amgbenz0 You idiot you keep contradicting your self, "They didnt call the Lee Evans catch a TD so it would be automatically reviewed as a scoring play, they just called it incomplete because thats what they saw". That's the correct call..he dropped the ball did not control the ball, didn't follow through the whole play.
I think da ny giants should give a big thanks to Kyle Williams of da Niners because if it wasn't for him da giants wouldn't even have gone to da Superbowl!!
@pappo78 Can you do us all a favor and speak proper english? it just makes americans look like a bunch of mentally challenged fish trying to walk on land
Man kiss my ass any excuse because u cant except giants were the better team capitalized off ur teams dumb ass mistakes fuck that it wasnt a fumble if you really think it was you know nothing about the sport forreal bitchy ass fans
you know another rule is when the football is out of the runners hands before the knee hits thats called a fumble bitches but its all good next year the niners will hand out ass whoppings
@a187killa Except when the ball is ruled dead under the forward progress rule. Then, there is no fumble since the play was already dead prior to the ball coming out.
@Amgbenz0 Being tackled DOES NOT mean forward progress was stopped. Learn your football pal...that only applies when players are fighting for yards and the pile is not moving. I guess everyone at ESPN does not know football either cuz they said the ref blew the whistle too quick
@scottie777444 Being tackled doesnt mean foward progress is stopped, but being pushed BACKWARDS, which is the opposite of FOWARDS is whats considered a stop of foward progress, it has nothing to do with a pile you fuckin moron. If your only arguement is what people at ESPN said, then stop talking now. The facts are in the video. Hit at 21, pulled and pushed back to 19 and stripped while falling BACKWARDS and in control of the defenders. Thats a clear representation of the foward progress rule.
they just need to get rid of the whistle blowing rule and on important games like these refs should lose their jobs when they mess up just like when i mess up on my job
i noted this as well last week, If its forward progress, then you blow the whistle when you deem it to be so , he only blew it cuz he saw the ball come loose, like he was giving him a chance to break the tackle but if he didnt then he'd blow the whistle regardless
@allprog "he only blew it cuz he saw the ball come loose, like he was giving him a chance to break the tackle".. did you even watch the play? He was being pulled back by one guy, and Patrick Willis was driving him back as well. At the point where the ball is about to come loose, hes already falling on his ass with 2 guys on him, how the fuck could he have broken that tackle? Its not easy to blow the whistle in the half second between the clear stop of foward progress and the "fumble", hes human.
@Amgbenz0 You are looking at it from a Giants Fan lens. I can atleast think objectively. If my team gets lucky in a situation of benefit off a bad call i can recognize this. Yes i watched the play many times. Point one the ball came out immdly. there was no tugging no extra yanking it was stripped and out. 2 the ref follows with his eyes the progression of the player going backway at that point he could have thrown his had up blown the whistle ect it wasnt until he see the ball OUT
@allprog Point one, the ball did not come out immediately. He started getting pulled back at the 21, and then lost control of the ball at the 19, thats not immediate, nor does the foward progress rule state how much time must pass before you make the call. Time is not an issue, its just something a 49er fan will latch onto to help prove his point that the game was rigged. The only thing that matters in makin that call is if the player is being driven backwards with no chance or advancing, period
@Amgbenz0 (cont)Bouncing around that he raises his hand and blows the whistle , thats why i said it was like it was as if he was waiting for him to get free. and the fact that you said it was a HALF SECOND thing and not like a major struggle for him to go down PROVES MY POINT. it should have been a fumble. But once again , this isnt why the niner loss. just couldve been a point where they could have won.
@allprog And you took what i said out of context to help try to prove your point. I didnt say it was a half second between when he started moving backwards and when the ball was fumbled. I said it was a half second between the point when he starts falling backwards on his ass and it becomes clear that he no longer has an opportunity to advance the ball foward and the point where the ball comes loose. As soon as he started falling backwards after being pushed back 2 yards, the play is dead.
The fumble occurred while he was being PUSHED BACKWARDS. It is the referee's decision alone at that point. Kyle Williams clearly lost the ball twice, stop looking at a debatable fumble and focus in on the non debatable lack of focus by Kyle Williams. He was CLEARLY stripped an CLEARLY knee'd the ball. You still had a chance in over time, instead Alex Smith was only able to convert 1 third down all game. That's just bad offense and bad special teams.
LMAO CRY BABIES...NY GIANTS OWNED THE 49ERS..AND REALLY YOU SHOULD BE MAD AT KYLE WILLIAMS,ALEX SMITH AND THE REST OF THE HORRIBLE OFFENSE THE 49ERS HAVE..YALL JUST GOT EXPOSED PLAIN AND SIMPLE
Lmao... what whiny 49ers fan made this video?? U can make a video of every bad call the Giants got too... They've had to beat the teams and the refs all post-season. That's football
Bullshit, nothing the 49ers were holding on almost every offensive play, watch the film. And Eli was getting mugged in that game, no penalties called, so everything evened out.
poohpoohcaca 4 hours ago
that shit was totally rigged! you heard espn just bragging about how good the giants had become and hardly ever gave the 49ers credit for making it past the saints into the championship game. the NFL and ESPN did not want to see the 49ers win their 6th super bowl title. shit was RIGGED.
BatuSmoka808 16 hours ago
honestly i was sooooo pissed when this happened because i KNEW that the refs had cheated us out of a turnover. But no i dont believe the refs had rigged the game on purpose. as a faithful 49er fan the person who made this video just needs to drop it. AND ATTENTION TO ALL OTHER PEOPLE not all 49ers fans are sore losers or sore winners we have just as much of those type of people as the next team. so stop catorgorizing all 49er fans as sore losers and sore winners cuz were not. only some
footballfanatik780 1 day ago
LOL wow
tubbmen 1 day ago
As I watched NFL Reply on the NFL Channel, there's no doubt in my mind that 49ers put up a valient effort agants the Giants, and they have nothing to be ashamed of, but if you 49er fans continue to cry about how your team was cheated, I will have to rethink my opinion of you by slapping you on the back and have you chase me down for an apology as I make way to celebrate the NEW YORK GIANTS VICTORY!! Now, see what you 49er fans made me do? I forgot where I put my beer!
UrbanSipfly 1 day ago
LOL Niner Fans You are the Fans Who Make Me Laugh So Much!!!! Everytime you dont have a win you start with the excuses. That was forward progress the 2 defenders were pulling him back no way he was gunna break the tackle he had no intention to get loose FACE IT YOU LOST GET OVER IT COME BACK NEXT SEASON JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE CUZ THEY WERE BETTER THAN YOU IN THIS GAME
Reelmusic209 1 day ago
1/13 3rd downs. I DON'T GIVE A FUCK HOW GOOD THEIR DEFENSE WAS. THAT IS PITIFUL AND NOT SUPER BOWL WORTHY
6pennywise6 1 day ago
fuck football, hockey's where its at!
dougransley 2 days ago
This is how dumb this video is. The first Kyle Williams turnover in the NFC championship game the one that hit his knee. That turnover was ruled initially to be 49ers ball. The Giants had to waste a challenge to get the ball back. If they wanted the Giants to win the Giants would have never had to challenge on that turnover.
Pksoze 2 days ago
you wanna cry about the refs,,,,, try being a lions fan dude get over it....go look at that Calvin Johnson catch that wasn't a catch....
TIPPSS32 2 days ago
The funny thing Is if the 9er fans watched all the videos on why the NFL would have a conspiracy against oakland. They wouldnt believe it. And there is solid evidence! But hear where the call could have gone either way they get pissed!
NyGiantsFan898 2 days ago
im over this call now im 49ers fan i wanted it to be fumble it should of been considering the ball came out second before the whistle was even blown. It was really Kyle Williams that cost the 49ers with two key punt return fumbles
BloodySilence19 3 days ago
You 49ers fans are still whining about this game? Give it up you lost, there is 60 minutes in a football game so your team had plenty of chances to beat the Giants. Are you guys going to be like the Seahawks that bring up 2005 every season? I hope not.
Scarecrow2004 3 days ago
In the immortal words of Steve Mariucci, after the Giants were robbed 10 years ago when the ref
didnt call pass int on the Niners: Bummer!!!!
liduck52 3 days ago 2
@liduck52 it couldn't have been a pass interference because IT WAS A ILLEGAL MAN DOWN FIELD, IDIOT!
JoshNM24 2 days ago
@JoshNM24 Which would have made it offsetting penalties and the down would have
been replayed-idiot.
liduck52 1 day ago
It didnt nessecarly cost them the game cuz they could have not scored (not likely though) and ny would get a chance on offense 2
GIANTS 4 life
JakeNyg25 4 days ago
Did the ref force your punt returner to fumble twice? Did New York pay him to do so? That was a close call that could have went either way. There are 100 plays like that in a game that can be called either way. Holding can be called on every snap. Tuck rule, Burt Emanuel catch etc. No game is called perfectly. 49ers could barely move the ball on offense. Was that the refs fault? In the words of a certain ESPN segment"COME ON MAN!" Besides, Patriots would have owned u in the Super Bowl. Go GMEN
TheRealNahre 4 days ago
Your wrong. Your points are right but 2 defenders hit him and fought to drive him back the whistle was blown right before he was being brought down by the back because it was already ruled forward progress. Look at it closely again he was engaged by 2 people then started to be dragged down and then the ball popped out the ref on the other side of the field blew his whistle and had already ran over and ruled it forward progress. Im not a Giants fan but a Bengals one. And with this your wrong.
SmellySack345 4 days ago
No conspiracy, you just can't let go of the pain. move on.
It's football, back in 2002 there was a very blatant bad call in a playoff game between these same 2 teams. The NFL acknowledged this and apologized... nothing was stated on this call, except that it was the right call.
GMEN 4 LIFE ! ! ! !
MrSteveRozco 4 days ago
49ers were the best team...they got screwed first by the refs and then by their punt returner so they lost. End of story. Giants didn't do much to deserve this win. Refs gave them a second chance and SF handed them the game in that second chance
lestat83bv 4 days ago
Don't forget the fact that the referee closest to the play threw his bean bag to mark the spot of the fumble. That comes out before the whistle so he saw the fumble.
favoritesgrillcookr 5 days ago
quit your whining
TheKlitchell 5 days ago
46 dislikes are giant fans
ballsacks2011 6 days ago
@ballsacks2011 I think the Giants fans are too busy "liking" videos of the Super Bowl, too be "disliking" this.
steel5w 5 days ago
@theEARinHEAR you can't blame the refs when the 49ers had plenty of chances to win. Stop the Giants on 3rd and 15. They didn't. It's easy to say take out the Williams fumbles and the 49ers win. Take out the 2 Davis TD's and the Giants win. Goes both ways. No one is talking about the Pats-Ravens game so stop trying to deflect the attention off of you being a dumb fuck. If you watches football you would know bad calls happens. GB got every questionable call in their 2 games with the Giant
TL2354 1 week ago
The NFL wanted to Giants in the SB, thats why GB was getting every call against the Giants the week before. The Packers scored their only 2 TDs on drives that were kept alive by bad calls. How come the 49ers didnt stop the NYG on 3rd and 15 earlier in the 4th? If they held them to a FG they most likely win but The NYG got a TD. Where were the refs there? Where were the refs when the ball clearly bounced off Williams knee but they called it SF ball? The Giants had to challenge to get the ball
TL2354 1 week ago
@TL2354 LOL is that the best excuse you can come up with? What a MORON. I guess the refs made Baltimore miss the field goal so New England would win too right....fucking IDIOT
theEARinHear 1 week ago
You're an idiot. Notice how he's being PULLED backwards by one guy and PUSHED backwards by another...Forward progress was stopped.
wimpyprune 1 week ago
Who cares? The Giants proved they are the BEST in the NFL this season and Packers fans, 49ers fans and Gaytriot fans can cry a river all they want! G-MEN!
jjmst55 1 week ago
@jjmst55 They had a very nice run combined with a lot of luck. However, I am certainly not the only one who believes the Giants would have been trampled if they had to play the Saints in NO.
nixaler 1 week ago
Its definitely forward progress. Bradshaw was being pulled backwards with no way to move ahead. That is forward progress....
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blazinpyromaniac 1 week ago
all you whiners have to grasp at is some borderline judgement call? what a bunch of babies - starting with that no class sore loser head coach (barely a handshake after the game) and he cried in the media about this call the day after the game. even when the giants got screwed in 2002, there wasn't this much whining from their end. grow up you cry babies.
tjr0ver 1 week ago
@tjr0ver There wasn't that much whining in 2002? Please the Giants were bitching about that no call all day the following day. All fans gripe about no calls on both sides when their team loses. Stop making it seem like NY fans never complain. Everybody knows NY fans are notorious whiners. I was upset at the call the time it happened, but we had plenty of other opportunites to put the game away and didn't. The Giants deserved to win this game. But all fans whine at some point.
bobo0383 1 week ago
@bobo0383 just like you're doing now you mean?
theEARinHear 1 week ago
@theEARinHear What the hell are you talking about? Did you even read what I wrote or do you just like talking out your ass. And you guys sucked it up? Of course you'd say that you're a Giants fan. Please tell me you are not that ignorant.
bobo0383 1 week ago
@tjr0ver yeah! I remember that foul play on the jail break play when the would be receiver got pulled down seconds before the ball got there.....no flag was thrown & we sucked it up
theEARinHear 1 week ago
@sportsisntfair you're so effin stupid its actually funny.....I think you're just mad the niners werent good enough to beat the giants. YOU MAdd
TheCollectorEX 1 week ago
So when some call goes against your team, its automatically a conspiracy theory.
How pathetic.
The 7 year old kid in the Related Videos bar is more mature then some of you guys.
bvestationfan 1 week ago
To prove my point about an NFL game, here is a clip from a college football game. Please disregard my heinous lack of credibility while you enjoy my video of nonsensical "points" and made up rules.
FeebleNosemanny 1 week ago
ok this video is stupid forward progress is stopped when a player fro, the other team pushes the player with the ball back if the runner had been fighting for yardage no whistle would have been blown
Jesussaenz2500 1 week ago
makes me sick to this day to see this.the day i heard hocchile however you spell that idiots name one of these teams was gonna get screwed and in the end it was my niners.that ref is by far the worst official in the nfl how he refs playoff games is beyond me if you want an example you tube chargers broncos game few years back lol
1980DEVILSREJECTS 1 week ago
Got to say that was a bad call, but also this video does a horrible job showing forward progress. The first video the runner's knee hits the ground. Hes really down by contact there but the refs suck. The second video the dude got stood up and tackled you can't even hear a whistle.
Bounding4miles 1 week ago
The Giants got completely screwed over on a couple of calls against the Packers. Guess what? They overcame them and won convincingly against a 15-win team on the road. Quit whining. You want to win, don't go 1 for 13 on third down conversions or three-and-out the last 4 times you get the ball.
sweetieasylum 1 week ago
@sweetieasylum Yea but that was early in the game against Green Bay...this time the game was won by SF and the refs decided to keep the Giants alive on a horrible call. If the right call is made, game over no time for NY to recover. Though give the Giants credit on winning the game after the refs gave them a second chance. As for the 49ers offense say all you want, fact is the manage 17 points on 3 good drives on NY offense 10 points on 2 good drives.
lestat83bv 1 week ago
@lestat83bv Lol.. another pathetic and delusional 49er fan.. have you ever watched football a day in your life before that game? Do you understand the rules of the game? Bradshaw was being PULLED BACK by one player and PUSHED BACK by another player and he gets the ball stripped and he is being driven BACKWARDS by 2 guys. Foward progress has clearly been stopped, so what bad call are you bitching about? You crying fans can never admit when your team gets beat by a better squad, can you? Pussies.
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
@Amgbenz0 What are you talking about, including all the analyst said the ref blew the whistle too quick...this is not flag football, the guy was in the process of being tackled. Yea he was being tackled backwards but that I watch football all year and that is called a fumble every time. So I guess now when you touch a guy to stop him you can't strip the ball uh? And what better team are you talking about? The one that only manage 10 points and had to get a SF player to win it for them
scottie777444 4 days ago
@scottie777444 Not all the analysts said that they blew the whistle too quick, and you need to learn a thing or two "Pal", First Take and every other show on ESPN are exactly that, SHOWS. Its not entertaining abd wont real in any views nor will they have much to talk about if they all agree on everything, theyre always going to pick different sides, right or wrong. And they didnt just touch Bradshaw, he was TOUCHED at the 21, and was stripped at the 19. Do your homework child.
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
im not reading that
30inventionman 1 week ago
I know that should of been the 49ERS ball, Why din't they reply it?... Fuck da gayants! smh...
JdmCaliboy1 1 week ago
its a consprisyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
XxXxStonecoldxXxX 1 week ago
East coast bias. EastSPN and all the other east coast centric sports networks wanted the New Yawk Giants in the Super Bowl because we all know New Yawk is the center of the universe. :-/
psx2514 1 week ago
niners would have gone to the super bowl they were playing lights out defense. if the ref just made the right call.
408maloWS 2 weeks ago
@408maloWS the giants had 20 points, 352 total yards, 20 first downs and no turnovers. how is that lights out defense? the 49ers didnt win because it was the giants defense that dominated.
ktom2323 1 week ago
@ktom2323 gaints only won cause kyle williams so stfu
jkang530 1 week ago
@jkang530 No we won because Jaquan Williams stripped Kyle Williams. . . something that is practiced all the time. No fluke, just good football being played.
Yes, that was one bad call for the Giants. Its happens all the time.
Bounding4miles 1 week ago
I will say that I've never seen a play whistled dead exactly the way that one was. Also, there were other similar plays in that game, I distinctly remember, where plays in which the runner was being pushed backwards but the play was not whistled dead until he hit the ground.
181erob 2 weeks ago
your point is stupid...when defenders push you backwards, and you give up on the play, and then the whistle is blown, you're down. he lost forward progress
sthpk81 2 weeks ago
Hm..
1:59 - Bradshaw is moving forward
2:00 - Bradshaw is no longer moving forward at what looks to be the 22 yard line
2:01 - There are 2 defenders on Bradshaw
Also 2:01 - Bradshaw begins to actually move backwards with these defenders on him (backward is the opposite of forward)
2:02 - Ball comes out at the 19 yard line
Long story short: Bradshaw was moving backwards!
SB XLVI would've been East vs West, Offense vs Defense - no reason to rig against that, seems like good TV to me
DomNYG 2 weeks ago
In your second point you said that forward progress is only granted if 2 or more defenders are on the runner and the runner is falling in an awkward position, yet there is TWO defenders on Bradshaw and he appears to be falling pretty awkwardly. So basically you just proved yourself wrong.
nymfan101 2 weeks ago
Niners had their chances to win, and didn't get it done,- but this was definitely a horrible call. A great strip fumble, and Niner recovery. Still a great game, especially defensively.
2SANFRANCISCO 2 weeks ago
@2SANFRANCISCO It wasnt a horrible call, your just a biased fan with either no clue what the foward progress rule is, or you do but your just in complete denial. Hes being pulled backwards, and then pushed backwards at the same time by 2 players, with no chance to advance to ball since he was falling and being driven BACKWARDS. Then the ball gets stripped right before he hits the ground, how much easier does a call get then that. Learn the rules and stop crying like a bitch.
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
@Amgbenz0 Now go explain the ''Tuck Rule'' to the Oakland Raiders,- or a proper TD Catch to Megatron,- you clueless ''biased fan''. Everyone knows it was a shitty call. ONE guy had him and was in the process of making the clean/undangerous tackle,- and he got stripped before being down by another, how much easier does a call get than that. Learn how not be a You Tube trolling piece of shit, and stop crying like a bitch. You wannabee self righteous Fucking Loser. Get a life.
2SANFRANCISCO 4 days ago
@2SANFRANCISCO Whos everyone? All the 49er fans? Hahaha.. thats how i know that your clueless about football and the rules, your talking about "undangerous" tackles when that has nothing to do with the foward progress rule, but you got it from the beginning of this video that was made by another 49er fan just as dumb as you are. Read the rule book and dont be mad at the world that your team lost you faggot. He was contacted at the 21, lost posession at the 19 while falling BACKWARDS. Dumb fuck.
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
@Amgbenz0 You read the rule book you dumb fuck! Its not where he lands you dip shit. Lmfao. Get off the Giants weak ass dick FAGGOT.
2SANFRANCISCO 4 days ago
@2SANFRANCISCO When did i say it matters where he lands? Are having a hard time reading and understanding the english language? He was driven back 2 yards, and then stripped while still moving backwards, hence the ruling that his foward progress was stopped. Is that clear enough for you? And next time take a little longer to think of a better joke instead of some corny shit.. scooby doo underwear and suckin on your mothers tit sounds like something a 12 year old would say. Lame ass faggot.
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
@Amgbenz0 Driven back? He was tackled from behind at the 20 and landed at the 18. He fumbled as he was being tackled. Unless there is a rule that says you can't fumble the ball falling backwards this was a MAJOR screw up that caused SF the game.
lestat83bv 4 days ago
@lestat83bv He fumbled after being driven back 2 yards, therefore the play is dead, no fumble. How do you not understand this? He was contacted at the 21, the player wrapped around his body and started pulling him down from behind, then Patrick Willis comes in and drives him back 2 yards to the 19 and just as his shoulders lean back and hes falling on his ass, the ball becomes exposed and Willis jars it out.
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
@Amgbenz0 What we can't agree on is that I don't see him being driven back, I see him being tackled and the ball being strip as he was falling down backwards. He's being taken down not driven back. When was the last time you saw a ref blow a whistle half a second after contact like that? Like I said unless there is a rule that says that a player can't fumble the ball if he is falling backwards as he is being tackled then this should be a fumble and MOST people agree
lestat83bv 4 days ago
@lestat83bv He wasn't tackled because he was intially hit then 2 people came afterwards in order to tackle him. Technically he sustained 3 hits and fought forward in order to gain more yards on that play. In turn there were then 3 people on him that hit him and caused him to keep going. Because the tackle by the foot wasn't successful anything after that is counted towards forward progress. Again not a Giants fan but a Bengals one and im just telling you what i see.
SmellySack345 4 days ago
@SmellySack345 So by your judgement are you saying it should've been a fumble? Cuz if I'm not mistaken if a guy is fighting for yards and ball is stripped, that's a fumble. Same thing is ball is stripped in the process of the tackle
lestat83bv 3 days ago
@lestat83bv With that being the case, that play is now considered dead, fumble or not. Since he never re-established a foward motion at any point between first contact and the "fumble" and his only progress during that group tackle was straight backwards, and he was being controlled by the defenders with no chance to fight for yardage, the play is over. Mike P said it was the correct call as well, even after viewing it in slow motion, so where do any 49er fans get off saying it was a screw up?
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
@2SANFRANCISCO "and stop crying like a bitch".. If you werent talking to yourself or to your fellow 49er fans, then i dont know where you are headed with that. Im not crying, im happy with the outcome of that game, and im happy with the call that was made by the guys who actually study the rules, not the biased butthurt fans of the losing team who go on youtube and pretend like they know something and believe everything is a conspiracy theory Lmao. Go cry yourself to sleep now child.
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
@Amgbenz0 Your happy with it because it gives your no life having dip shit ass a reason to you tube troll. Your a fucking joke. The only conspiracy is your birth. Now go put your Scooby Doo underwear back on, and suckle your mommy's teet....well, after she gets off my nutts. Later Pee Wee.
2SANFRANCISCO 4 days ago
it was one guy pulling him back it shouldve been 49er ball, and they called a false start on sopogopa for flinching
dawakeman 2 weeks ago
and congrats giants. see you next year.
NeWbTuBeR1995 2 weeks ago
..I wish our fans would stop posting garbage like this.... it just looks like your crying. His forward progress had stopped and he was falling backwards with no chance of recovering. as for Mr123Yoyoyy our guy didnt need to gang tackle bradshaw but im sure yours is a biased opinion and your lashing out at this video. the first tackle missed and the 2nd tackle had him dead to rights. the extra tackles happen every play with our defense just go look at the tape. our guys play to the whistle.
NeWbTuBeR1995 2 weeks ago
i think Pereira was rooting for the Giants that day otherwise he would have said they got it wrong
disneydanny2 2 weeks ago
he wnt back tho?
Mr123Yoyoyy 2 weeks ago
sad that u guys nned to gang takle bradshaw
Mr123Yoyoyy 2 weeks ago
FORTY WHINERS
tjr0ver 2 weeks ago
The Giants didn't even score on that drive, so to prove your case, you're going to have to point at another part of the game which shows the referees clearly giving the game to the Giants. Even in this case, if SF did get the ball back in the Giants' red zone, we can only make a guess of what would happen next. Biased SF fans would say SF would have scored. Biased Giants' fans would have said SF would have not scored. Unbiased opinion: who knows?
Bassai 2 weeks ago 7
@Bassai They would have ran down the clock and scored a field goal
sportsisntfair 2 weeks ago 6
@sportsisntfair Maybe. But as I said, biased SF fan would say that the 49'ers would have scored, a biased Giants fan would've said JPP would've blocked the kick (as in the Cowboy's game), and an unbiased fan would've said "who knows". In all fairness, SF played a hell of a defensive game, and they had their chances to win it in OT, but Williams made a crucial mistake. This video still can't outright prove the game was stolen from SF via referee corruption.
Bassai 2 weeks ago
@sportsisntfair it wasnt a fumble whistle was blown way before the ball came out and if 49ers did get the ball do you think they would score? 1 for 13 on third down and ur only 3rd down conversion was at the end of the half? 49ers lost fair a square cuz there offence is horrible but defence is good get better wide reciviers
Naruto4289 1 week ago 2
@sportsisntfair of course you would like to think that that's the way it would've happened since you're a 9er fan, my take is they would've gotten backed up with the rush attack & possibly a sack fumble with the ball going the other way by JPP for 6
theEARinHear 1 week ago
@sportsisntfair I find it hilarious when the "Things to Note" comes up before the video starts. Everything you wrote there is completely false, and you need to start watching more football and stop being a conspiracy theorist. "Foward progree is rarely called unless the QB is involved".. Are u fucking retarded? Lmao.. Your number 2 was even more retarded, only you number 1 made sense, but you fail to realize Bradshaw was controlled and had no chance to fight for extra yards. Dumb bastard.
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
@Bassai I second sportsisntfair. that was the niners game to win. NFL cheated 49ers out of going to the super bowl because we were a feel good story but not supposed to go to super bowl. too much money and ratings to lose for the east coast.
bLzD209 2 weeks ago
@bLzD209 I said the 49'ers weren't cheated outright because they had a bunch of chances to score after this referee screw-up. The game lasted more than two hours, right? If this is the only instance within game-time that shows this kind of referee screw-up, then saying that the referees gave the game away simply does not make sense. SF had the ball many times and moved it effectively, more so than the Giants (despite what stats say). Williams gave away the game, not the refs.
Bassai 2 weeks ago
@bLzD209 Your retarded. Learn the rules of the game and stop being so biased and then maybe youll realize one day that this was clearly the correct call. His foward progress had been stopped with no opportunity to fight for yardage and he was on his way down, being pulled backwards and pushed backwards at the same time by 2 players, and then was stripped right before he falls on his ass. Stop crying like a bitch and learn something about football before you make an ass out of yourself.
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
@Bassai 49ers have the ball at the 20 yard line with 2 minutes left on a tie game...if you don't think that's a win 99% of the time (especially with a Pro Bowl kicker) then you don't know football pal
lestat83bv 1 week ago
@lestat83bv Remember the Pats vs Ravens game? The Ravens had a Pro Bowl kicker in that game too. What happened there?
Bassai 1 week ago
@Bassai Yea that's why I said 99% of the time...something really wrong could happen once in awhile but you want to tell me in that scenario you wouldn't bet big on a 49ers win? Didn't think so
lestat83bv 1 week ago
@lestat83bv As I said, an unbiased fan would say: who knows. Maybe that 1% of yours could happen. Just like there was a 1% chance the Giants would have scored a safety on their first score in the SB. SF played a hell of a game, and had there chances to score in OT. But it was Williams who made that crucial mistake that caused their loss, not this bad call by the refs.
Bassai 1 week ago
@Bassai True Williams is as much to blame for loss. But the defense was so good that they forced a fumble that would've MOST LIKELY win the game despite dumbass Williams and bad offense for most of game. I think Williams and that bad call cost equally because if one doesn't happen, SF wins. It's easier to take when the team screws up but for the refs to have an equally big game-deciding screw up its harder to swallow
lestat83bv 6 days ago
@lestat83bv If you dont know that the ref made the correct foward progress call on this play, then you dont know football pal
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
Forward progress is rarely called? Total bull shit. It's called all the damn time.
Jester2055 2 weeks ago
@Jester2055 I'm a Giants fan, and while I agree with you, it probably shouldn't have been called in this case, but refs make mistakes.
Of course, because they did now every Niners is calling it a conspiracy because they can't deal with the fact that they have a shitty punt returner. People make mistakes. Kyle Williams is proof of that. To blame the refs is pathetic.
ccleary2 2 weeks ago
maybe the 49ers having near ZERO production out of their WR corps, a marginal game from their QB, and only 2 fluke scores from their big TE who was otherwise held in check - had more to do with them losing? like i already said, this call was borderline at best but the giants did get HOSED in 2002. so - BUMMER to you.
tjr0ver 2 weeks ago
@tjr0ver Alex smith is good. He hasn't had a good team. I often compare him to Joe "Bum" Flacco, who has had a good team for his whole career and STILL hasnt gotten them past a conference championship. Alex Smith in his FIRST season of having a decent team? Leads the 49ers to a 13-3 record and to a conference championship. With 1 great target and 3 decent ones, thats fucking impressive. Numbers dont lie. And who cares if the Giants got hosed in 02, Pats lost the superbowl, ( :( ) But no payback.
IGotAPagina 2 weeks ago
the HOE line of the giants was holding all damn day...and yet no flags were thrown?? you busters out there better believe it was more of a 49ers loss than a giants win...
BATHINGJAPES100 2 weeks ago
@BATHINGJAPES100 No one cares what you have to say man.. your team lost and the Giants won. Stop crying about it and move on with your life.
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
40 whiner fans
firerustdragon 2 weeks ago
Anyway, there is nothing that says the 49ers wouldn't have fumbled AGAIN (they seem to have a problem with that) and there is also nothing to say that they would have even scored a TD or kicked a field goal. Get over yourself San Francisco.
ccleary2 2 weeks ago
@ccleary2 You're clueless
Cappersinfo 2 weeks ago
@Cappersinfo k buddy, keep blaming the refs because your team can't win when it matters
ccleary2 2 weeks ago
@ccleary2 Are you serious? Kyle Williams GAVE the Giants 10 points. Take those ten points off and what's the score? There should have never been an OT in the first place. The Giants offense didn't make it past midfield AT ALL in the 2nd half or OT without those missed punts.
DaviddddEO 2 weeks ago
@DaviddddEO "Kyle GAVE the Giants 10 points." Like I said, the Niners played just as awful as the Giants did, whether it be one player or the whole team. You're right, had Kyle Williams not fumbled the ball you guys would have won. So don't blame the refs, blame your own team and quit being a jackass.
ccleary2 2 weeks ago
@ccleary2 I never said I was blaming the refs dumbass. I'm blaming Kyle Williams. He is the reason the 49ers lost this game.
DaviddddEO 2 weeks ago
@DaviddddEO well then I don't understand what the "Are you serious?" is for dumbass. You seem to be completely agreeing with me.
ccleary2 2 weeks ago
You're going to blame the referees for losing? The Niners played just as terrible as the Giants, hence the score being tied. How about you blame Kyle Williams instead of blaming the refs for a "questionable" call.
ccleary2 2 weeks ago
Fuck that rigged or not, the 49ers should've been the ones in the superbowl, giants didnt deserve that win, they got let off the hook by kyle williams spoon feeding them the win, they talk about how great eli was throughout the playoffs but they never spoke about how the 49ers had him on lock in the 2nd half, and only reason he got that last TD to manningham was bcuz of the great field positioning Kyle williams dumb ass gave them with the muffed punt, and the fumble, 49ERS 2012-13 CHAMPIONS
LiLSiCk916 3 weeks ago
sportsisntfair----stop ur freaking crying----it is what it is---life does go on----
steelers101202 3 weeks ago
I wish I would have seen this video but I was too busy attending the Giants parade here in NY =p
cannonballkid 3 weeks ago
shut the fuck up, bradshaw fumbled when he was moving backwards after the whistle blew, it was the right call, ur just an immature niners fan who can't handle the fact that they lost. Grow the fuck up and stop making excuses
Bradyy412 3 weeks ago
@Bradyy412 you gotta be kidding me...so one step back constitutes forward progress...what if he would've broke it and gained another 3 yards? It was a horseshit call. At least be mature enough to acknowledge that.
mess40 3 weeks ago
@mess40 You should be mature enough to acknowledge that it was the correct call and the 9'ers just got beat by a better team. Its not about the 1 step back, its about the fact that he was controlled, and was being pulled back by one guy, and pushed back by another and being driven BACKWARDS to the ground when the ball came out. I dont understand the confusion? Its a clear cut foward progress call, and yet you still have hundreds of delusional 9'er fans who wont admit it. Stop crying already.
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
@Bradyy412 LOL. figures a LOSER pats fan would get in on this whinefest.
tjr0ver 2 weeks ago
@tjr0ver i'm actually a huge giants fan, brady is my last name.....
Bradyy412 1 week ago
Im a 9er fan and we lost. The better team won. Im not asking for no mulligans but that was a bs call. He could have easily broken that tackle
LQhous3 3 weeks ago
@Irishcookies2009 U lose and win as a team. U want to take Terry Bradshaw out the hall of fame for the immaculate reception???
firerustdragon 3 weeks ago
@mess40 The better team won cvs is having a sale on tissues tho
firerustdragon 3 weeks ago
@firerustdragon . And special ed academies are allowing free admissions for retards like yourself. The better team won? Ahaahahahaha yeah thats why you only took the lead in the second half after idiot Kyle williams lets the ball hit him and virtually GIVES you the ball back after you were down 14-10 with ten minutes to go and werent doing anything offensively the entire second half but for those two kyle williams mistakes
Irishcookies2009 3 weeks ago
@Irishcookies2009 Statistically the Giants played a better game then the 49ers so what are you getting at? Even your own fans are saying that the better team won, so stop crying like a little girl. You had 14 points that both came off of blown coverage on Vernon Davis, and didnt do shit else. Your QB got pressured all day, your Pro Bowl running back got contained, and your shit WR's didnt do anything all game. Blame Kyle Williams all you want, but you werent moving the ball and were 1-13 on 3rd.
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
Ya I'm a Niner fan and I hate to make excuses but this is not forward progress.
DFresh1408 3 weeks ago
@DFresh1408 Its a correct, clear cut foward progress call but your football IQ seems to be too weak to know what constitutes as foward progress and what doesnt.
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
Wow.. You niners fans have excuses for everything.. If the game was "Rigged" as most of you fans gave excuses for it.. The first Vernon Davis touchdown would of been reversed as he CLEARLY stepped out of bounds. Don't blame the refs for Kyle Williams' Mistakes.
gpena319 3 weeks ago
@gpena319 . He didnt step out of bounds dumbass even Troy aikman said it appeared that he didnt step out. They REVIEWED it and still didnt call it
Irishcookies2009 2 weeks ago
Niners overcame adversity for Kyle Williams botched catch. Then they cause a fumble. The guy wasn't even wrapped up, and didn't even get driven back more than a yard. Let them play. Niners are better. Hands down.
mess40 3 weeks ago
@kingbridgetroll well keep your american mentally challenged self out of this post
pappo78 3 weeks ago
The refs are taught to call the play so it is reversible. Clearly, the the ref called it so that it would not be a fumble. The whole "Refs are humans" is pure bullshit. The Niners have been getting fucked by the refs all year. I'm not calling conspiracy but that fumble would have won the game for the 49ers. It's bullshit.
ClypseProductions 3 weeks ago
@ClypseProductions Yea too bad it wasnt a funble though, so it doesnt matter what the Niner "could have" done if it was. Learn the rules, and maybe youll understand why this was called foward progress. The refs arent taught shit, they just call it as they see it. They didnt call the Lee Evans catch a TD so it would be automatically reviewed as a scoring play, they just called it incomplete because thats what they saw.
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
@Amgbenz0 You idiot you keep contradicting your self, "They didnt call the Lee Evans catch a TD so it would be automatically reviewed as a scoring play, they just called it incomplete because thats what they saw". That's the correct call..he dropped the ball did not control the ball, didn't follow through the whole play.
dramalss 4 days ago
@dramalss I never once contradicted myself.. you just proved the point i was trying to make with that statement though.. thank you.
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
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dramalss 4 days ago
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@Amgbenz0 Right back @ you! The Ignorance of people.
Man you are So Abtuse ! ! !
Oh yeah! I've notice you have an abundance of fans here! w/fans like this who needs enemies. (Hate 2 B U)
dramalss 4 days ago
I think da ny giants should give a big thanks to Kyle Williams of da Niners because if it wasn't for him da giants wouldn't even have gone to da Superbowl!!
pappo78 3 weeks ago
@pappo78 Can you do us all a favor and speak proper english? it just makes americans look like a bunch of mentally challenged fish trying to walk on land
kingbridgetroll 3 weeks ago
Man kiss my ass any excuse because u cant except giants were the better team capitalized off ur teams dumb ass mistakes fuck that it wasnt a fumble if you really think it was you know nothing about the sport forreal bitchy ass fans
MrTreyshawn22 3 weeks ago
Has anyone ever thought for a second that the refs are human? They fucked up, so there must be a conspiracy! Dumb asses.
Playstation72 3 weeks ago
you know another rule is when the football is out of the runners hands before the knee hits thats called a fumble bitches but its all good next year the niners will hand out ass whoppings
a187killa 3 weeks ago
@a187killa Except when the ball is ruled dead under the forward progress rule. Then, there is no fumble since the play was already dead prior to the ball coming out.
lem4037 3 weeks ago
@a187killa Lol that rule doesnt apply if foward progress was stopped you moron. Stop talking about football, you clearly dont know shit.
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
@Amgbenz0 Being tackled DOES NOT mean forward progress was stopped. Learn your football pal...that only applies when players are fighting for yards and the pile is not moving. I guess everyone at ESPN does not know football either cuz they said the ref blew the whistle too quick
scottie777444 4 days ago
@scottie777444 Being tackled doesnt mean foward progress is stopped, but being pushed BACKWARDS, which is the opposite of FOWARDS is whats considered a stop of foward progress, it has nothing to do with a pile you fuckin moron. If your only arguement is what people at ESPN said, then stop talking now. The facts are in the video. Hit at 21, pulled and pushed back to 19 and stripped while falling BACKWARDS and in control of the defenders. Thats a clear representation of the foward progress rule.
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
they just need to get rid of the whistle blowing rule and on important games like these refs should lose their jobs when they mess up just like when i mess up on my job
a187killa 3 weeks ago
dude this is exactly what i was thinking as well i think if the ravens would of won it would be the giants getting screwed
a187killa 3 weeks ago
i noted this as well last week, If its forward progress, then you blow the whistle when you deem it to be so , he only blew it cuz he saw the ball come loose, like he was giving him a chance to break the tackle but if he didnt then he'd blow the whistle regardless
allprog 3 weeks ago
@allprog "he only blew it cuz he saw the ball come loose, like he was giving him a chance to break the tackle".. did you even watch the play? He was being pulled back by one guy, and Patrick Willis was driving him back as well. At the point where the ball is about to come loose, hes already falling on his ass with 2 guys on him, how the fuck could he have broken that tackle? Its not easy to blow the whistle in the half second between the clear stop of foward progress and the "fumble", hes human.
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
@Amgbenz0 You are looking at it from a Giants Fan lens. I can atleast think objectively. If my team gets lucky in a situation of benefit off a bad call i can recognize this. Yes i watched the play many times. Point one the ball came out immdly. there was no tugging no extra yanking it was stripped and out. 2 the ref follows with his eyes the progression of the player going backway at that point he could have thrown his had up blown the whistle ect it wasnt until he see the ball OUT
allprog 4 days ago
@allprog Point one, the ball did not come out immediately. He started getting pulled back at the 21, and then lost control of the ball at the 19, thats not immediate, nor does the foward progress rule state how much time must pass before you make the call. Time is not an issue, its just something a 49er fan will latch onto to help prove his point that the game was rigged. The only thing that matters in makin that call is if the player is being driven backwards with no chance or advancing, period
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
@Amgbenz0 (cont)Bouncing around that he raises his hand and blows the whistle , thats why i said it was like it was as if he was waiting for him to get free. and the fact that you said it was a HALF SECOND thing and not like a major struggle for him to go down PROVES MY POINT. it should have been a fumble. But once again , this isnt why the niner loss. just couldve been a point where they could have won.
allprog 4 days ago
@allprog And you took what i said out of context to help try to prove your point. I didnt say it was a half second between when he started moving backwards and when the ball was fumbled. I said it was a half second between the point when he starts falling backwards on his ass and it becomes clear that he no longer has an opportunity to advance the ball foward and the point where the ball comes loose. As soon as he started falling backwards after being pushed back 2 yards, the play is dead.
Amgbenz0 4 days ago
THATS A FUCKEN FUMBLE.SAME THING HAPPENED TO BRADSHAW VS. PATS AND IT WAS CALLED A FUMBLE.
SGCRCT 3 weeks ago
@AmericanWarfare where is the greatest now sorry to burst your bubble but nobody did it like joe that is JOE MONTANA!!
pappo78 3 weeks ago
NFL and NBA both anti-defense!
SOLDIER3473 3 weeks ago
49ers don't have a flashy QB.NFL motto"QB driven league". "No more Dilfer QBs in superbowls"
skywalker7327 3 weeks ago
The fumble occurred while he was being PUSHED BACKWARDS. It is the referee's decision alone at that point. Kyle Williams clearly lost the ball twice, stop looking at a debatable fumble and focus in on the non debatable lack of focus by Kyle Williams. He was CLEARLY stripped an CLEARLY knee'd the ball. You still had a chance in over time, instead Alex Smith was only able to convert 1 third down all game. That's just bad offense and bad special teams.
1ivel0vedi3 3 weeks ago
so what they blew our game vs the 49ers in 02 now its our turn
drumsTJ 3 weeks ago
stop the crying already bradshaw forward progress was stopped other than that he was geting pushed back after he was stopped
Knickmet2 3 weeks ago
LMAO CRY BABIES...NY GIANTS OWNED THE 49ERS..AND REALLY YOU SHOULD BE MAD AT KYLE WILLIAMS,ALEX SMITH AND THE REST OF THE HORRIBLE OFFENSE THE 49ERS HAVE..YALL JUST GOT EXPOSED PLAIN AND SIMPLE
Tha704Hustle 3 weeks ago
Lmao... what whiny 49ers fan made this video?? U can make a video of every bad call the Giants got too... They've had to beat the teams and the refs all post-season. That's football
VegasTroy1117 3 weeks ago
WAHHHHH wahhhh
firerustdragon 3 weeks ago
he got the ball to the 21 yard line ball came out at 19 so you tell me where his forward progressed was stoped
murfienhawaii 3 weeks ago