All gay people should support the hell out of this idea. Imagine all the straight people being in one part of town while we get to enjoy ourselves in the rest of the town. I wish that straights would get their shit together and have one of these every weekend. The absence of straights (narrow-minded ones) from our lives each weekend would be the biggest gift they could give.
@thatgaybloke really are you really proud of who you are? and why? Along with pride comes respect, unfortunately that is something that the gay community never gets from the society. So whats the use of pride when majority of the population does not respect you for who you are. A majority of the population still look at the pride rallies as freak shows. Do they respect you or your lifestyle I doubt it.
This video and many of your comments are full of hypocrisy and double standards. It is one thing to be proud of being gay and celebrate and another to imply that those different from you ought not celebrate their own orientation as you might misconstrue it as intolerant and / or hate fueled. You say that no one should be made to feel bad about their orientation and yet you strike down straights for attempting to celebrate the very same thing you do. Conflicting stories here.
@Evalaena I mentioned "a single project" that was based on encouraging bigotry and compared that with the gay Pride rallies. I made no assumptions, half baked or otherwise, about anyone's motivation. The organisers were quite clear in the purpose of this rally - the key argument made was that it was in defence of homophobic lyrics and that protesting against homophobia is somehow an attack on heterosexuality.
@Evalaena I find that argument ridiculous. As ridiculous as your attempt to twist my argument from one speaking against homophobia and re-interpreting it as asserting that all heterosexual people are bigots.
@Evalaena In fact - if you had really watched the video you'd hear me argue that if I was heterosexual I would be pretty pissed at anyone claiming to hold a rally in my name that promoted bigotry. Or did you miss that bit when you were sitting there hearing what you wanted to hear rather than what I actually said? I go on to argue that it seems plenty of heterosexual people have rejected this bigotry because they stayed well away.
@Evalaena@Evalaena I was poking fun at bigots, not at straight people. You do get some gay people who are bigoted about heterosexuals - I wouldn't like to think I am one of them. One of the things I find very disappointing is when I hear gay people being racist, or gay men being sexist. I have this naive expectation that people who have been victims of bigotry should be more sympathetic to other people who've been oppressed. Doesn't always seem to work out that way. Human nature.
@Evalaena If you see a "straight pride" rally that has been organised to promote homophobia rather than celebrate diversity then you should feel free to attend. Don't be surprised if you're the only one there, though.
If a straight pride day is anti-gay, isn't a gay pride day anti-straight? Why shouldn't straight people be allowed to express themselves? There's no better way to denounce hate by practicing hate.
@Siryj26 A gay pride rally most certainly isn't "anti-straight". In fact you'll find straight people walking side by side with gay, lesbian, bisexual and trans people at most gay pride rallies. That's the pretty much the whole point.
you can't do that. why can a bunch of fags throw a huge parade around the world in the middle of the fucking street all fucking day and not be judged about it but straight people can't? that's discrimination too. if gay people can express the "pride" every year for their sexuality, then straight people should be able to do the same. you people always talk about equality and shit but when straight people want the same thing it's a big damn problem. fags are nothing but hypocrites. what a shame.
I am not a homophobe, but I believe that the reson gays are discriminated against by many homophobes is that they claim that they want to be equal to straight people, yet they have their own fucking flag and their own fucking parades. I think we should all be equal, but fuck the gays who think that they are better than straight people. I know plenty of "good" gay people. When I say good, I mean the ones who don't shove their sexuality in the faces of others, but there are MILLIONS of exceptions
@doodood60 Oh fuck off. You either support the cause in its entirety or you don't. Don't give us this whole "be a good gay for me" bullshit because nobody's taking it.
something is wrong, if you say i like straight pride or or white pride, oh my god, that brings out all the black and gay people calling me a hater, it sounds to me they are the haters, there is black tv, gay tv, indian tv, where is the white tv, channel,
@bluegrassman1000 Television is dominated by white and heterosexual representation. Because of this there isn't a white television channel. When straight people are told that their sexuality is sinful and evil, when they are made to feel ashamed because of their sexuality, when they have been killed because of their sexuality, and are beaten up because of their sexuality then they can have their straight pride parade. Honestly, did you watch the video before making a comment?
@angrycitizen7 have you watched tv lately, i havent seen white dominance, in fact the trend is to see what were once called minorities are the majority, every commercial used to be dominant white no more, and i agree you should be ashamed because of a gay sexuality and what gives the right of homosexuals to take the work gay and use it how they want, you people have turned the world into a sick place
@bluegrassman1000 `Yes, actually I have. Why are you so angry that a minority wants to empower themselves? What gives other people the right to use "gay" when they mean something is stupid? And how exactly have homosexuals turned the world into a sick place?
@angrycitizen7 gay means happy, if gay is only a word then why do you people dont like the word, fag or queer and get offended, quite honestly it should be an offence, i am still waiting for cnn to run a documentary on parents of gays, they run everything else, wonder why they wouldnt do that one
Any straight person who is wondering why there isn't a straight pride parade or how unfair it is that gay people have gay pride is an uneducated douchebag who completely misses the point of gay pride in the first place.
Straight Pride Rally sounds like fun. Everyone could wear black, straight prides color. LOL. But this would probably attract a lot of gay bashers so we would need some way to weed them out. If we could do this it would sound great. We could also have an Asexual pride rally and a Bi one. Wait . . . are bi's covered in the gay rally? I guess they could go to the straight one too. Hmm .. . hell, let's throw them a rally too! :D
When you have walked down the street and been verbally or physically abused for being heterosexual, when you have been disowned by your family for being heterosexual, when you have been fired from your job for being heterosexual, when you have your children taken away from you because you are heterosexual then maybe, just maybe you'll understand what it's like to be on the receiving end of sexual bigotry.
@thatgaybloke Some girls can be homophobic too, I had bad-naming calling from them verging on threats where I used to live so it's not just straight men that are homophobic.
Doesn't that depend on what the Straight Pride rally represents? This particular Straight Pride march was based on hatred - opposing this is no different from opposing a neo-Nazi march.
"The right which is denied to straight peoples is to celebrate and be proud of both their kin and who they are."
Really? I went to my niece's wedding last month. That seemed to be a pretty much wholesale celebration of heterosexuality. I turn on the TV and most programmes - particularly those from the US - celebrate "the family", that being the family based pretty much exclusively on the heterosexual nuclear, model.
Saying that if you're in the majority you're not allowed to be proud of it sounds like the mantra of those who claim that you can't get on any more if you're a white, English speaking male because all those disabled black lesbians get given priority.
The point of LGBT pride is a demonstration of defiance - that we are happy with who we are and won't be made to feel "less" or "wrong". Similarly, there is nothing wrong with being in the majority. No one should be made to feel wrong or guilty about that either. That's the whole point.
The LGBT pride rallies are a celebration of diversity. The straight pride rally I referred to was about celebrating homophobia and intolerance. That's the difference.
Straight people not have the same rights as everyone else? What? You mean how straight people get fired from their jobs for being straight, or beaten up for being straight, or have their families disown them for being straight, or can't get married to a person of the opposite sex? Are those the rights we're talking about? The ones that you think are denied to heterosexuals?
The whole point of the pride rallies seems to be lost on you. The point is that it's about being proud to be who you are. LGBT pride rallies are INCLUSIVE - gay people, bi people, trans people and their friends and families - many of whom are straight - are all welcome and all participate. The "straight pride" rally I was referring to in the video is divisive. Gay people certainly wouldn't be welcome.
This kind of rally is no different from a BNP march. It's not about celebrating togetherness - it's about celebrating how much better you are than someone else.
Thankfully - in the example I mention - people weren't interested.
I do not see a straight pride parade as a form of bigotry, or hate or homophobia. Using that logic then gay pride is bigotry towards straights. It has to go both ways.
A straight pride rally that celebrated people being heterosexual wouldn't be bigotry. One that is created just to show how disgusted these people are with gay people is.
So, gay people, be happy that you're even allowed the opportunity for peacefull gatherings, because just about anywhere else in the world, you would be torn to shreds for taking/giving it up the exhaust pipe. Everywhere, except England, of course, because England is full of pussies, and Muslims, who want to kill you anyway, not just for being gay. So cheer up, American gay people!
Sigh... Look. We as straight people, don't have to have straight pride parades. Why? Because being straight is NORMAL. I mean, we wouldn't be proud of having two arms, now, would we? If gays want an excuse to get together and advertise their campaign of normalizing poo pushing, that's fine. They definitely have the freedom to do so, becuase this is America.
I'm thinking the reason that a straight pride rally didn't work is because there's no need for it. The straight people are proud enough as it is who needs a meeting. You can tell the gays need it for one thing straight people are always bashing gays because of what they do and the way they act. Similar to any organization set up is for people of there own type to gather there to know they arn't the only ones but for straights we are everywhere... Have fun gays...
What is the difference between pride and bigotry? Please somebody tell me! I can't remember. Pride and approval, shame and contempt, these are two sides of the same coin. How can you get something for nothing? How can you have positive feelings for your identity group, without implicit negative feelings for all other identity groups? These judgements are relative, arent they? You can't love everything and still avoid hipocrisy. Love needs to be something more than just a symbol!
Gay pride is time where people who have been singled out as the gay kid, or disowned by their own family, can support each other by sticking together and showing thier strength in numbers. The movement is never going to gain enough size and strength to draw out violent extemists, so it is harmless.
Pride is a positive thing - pride in your achievements, pride in being who you are. Bigotry isn't really positive - it's about identifying another group to which the bigots can feel superior in some way.
If you can't understand how it's possible to have pride in yourself without thinking less of someone else, then I don't think I'm going to be able to explain it to you.
Gay pride is really less about being "proud" of being gay - which makes about as much sense as someone being "proud" to having been born in April, since people don't choose to be gay and don't have to work at it. What it's about is not being ashamed to be who you are. It's about being proud of being strong enough to stand up to bigotry and oppression and hatred and condemnation.
You don't have to be gay to participate in gay pride. Gay pride is inclusive, unlike bigotry (which is exclusive) - people who aren't homosexual can participate in gay pride too if they are proud of their strength to stand up against intolerance and bigotry. Anyone who is courageous enough to speak out against bigotry - especially if they don't belong to the group being discriminated against - should be proud of their courage and decency.
When the only difference in meaning between two terms is that one has a positive connotation, and the other a negative one, then this is an example of how thought can be controled by propaganda, not something to take lightly.
But singling out a small group to praise, is different from singling out a small group to insult. They are both have a quality of being irrational and dishonest, but one could foster sabbotage, the other competition.
Pride is only positive when you ignore how it impacts on other people.
It is actually one of the seven deadly sins, (aka cardinal sins) so good Christians will not support it.
The thing about pride, is that when advertised it inspires other people to be envious. Envy is a very petty emotion, but it is not going away anytime soon so we have to work with it, and treat it as a given.
Here, have a pat on the back, so that you dont have to do it yourself. You are really really great!
When you single out a person, and you do something kind just for them, it is easy to forget that you are treating everyone else unfairly. When one person recieves an unfair promotion, everyone else is held back. When one person counterfiets a million dollars, everyone else loses money. There is no such thing as a victimless crime. Random acts of kindness are great, but targeted ones arent
Of course pride is a sin. It makes people feel good about themselves. Christianity is all about making people feel worthless so they are more easily controlled.
Feeling good about yourself is ALWAYS relative to something else, and in this case it is relative to other people, although sometimes it can mean relative to how you felt about yourself yesterday, or last week, or whatever, so ya its confusing.
But you are right, people making noise and celebrating is not at all like stealing. My point was very different. Just that in order fro praise to have meaning, in must be in limited supply. Counterfieting isnt "stealing" either.
Straight pride parade. That sounds sort of oxymoronic. Parades are bright colorful festive things. Maybe they meant a straight pride procession wherein several pallbearer types carry a giant penis through an arch that looks more than noticeably vaginal while acting very sombre and dressed in dark suits and black dresses.
That's my answer to the "you're always throwing your sexuality in our faces". I can't turn on TV, read a magazine, walk past a billboard, read a novel, listen to a pop song without heterosexuality being thrust in mine most of the time.
@thatgaybloke Moreover, in regards to heterosexuality being "thrust in your face", how do you suspect you were brought in to this world? You owe your entire existence to heterosexuals, sir.
@Evalaena You really make a mission of missing the point, don't you? Let me try and spell it out a simply as I can. Gay people often hear the accusation "you're throwing your sexuality in our faces". Regardless of whether this is a good or bad thing, it's an argument from a position of weakness when those making it are "guilty" of exactly the same behaviour. I would explain further but can't think of a one syllable word for hypocrite.
how disappointing that had to turn it into a hate thing. when i saw the title i had my rollerskate, rainbow suspenders and gold hot pants ready to go.
Just as Black rallies in the time of the equal rights movement; gay pride rallies are necessary. I hope one day homophobia loses strength much as racism has.
There's this huge gray area now however where I'm not feeling true 'equality'; such as affirmative action. This is racist, just the opposite side. (put brilliantly in Remember the Titans. 'Who are you helping coach? I may be a mean cuss, but I'm the same mean cuss to everyone. You think you're helping them... You're hurting them.)
I knew that homophobia's wide spread in this dancehall/ragga subculture (homosexual acts are still forbidden in jamaica, i think), but I didn't know about them planing such an event. I don't understand their problem with gay pride events either. If they don't like it, they don't have to come, but if they want to, it isn't like they had to be gay to be allowed to come, nor does it make them gay or something. Some people don't seem to understand this.
There are all sorts of flimsy excuses about "cultural context" and the like bandied around for the intense homophobia in much of this music. I reject all of these excuses outright. I'm sure that these black musicians would have plenty to say about a white supremacist who released songs advocating a return to slavery and lynching. Racism is bigotry. So is homophobia.
Maybe people like yourself need to take it back. In the UK, for a long time the Flag of the Union and St George's Cross have been hijacked by nationalistic, racist parties. In the last decade, the English and the British have reclaimed their flag as a source of pride in their nation's accomplishments and values, as opposed to small minded xenophobic bigotry.
The thing about the gay pride parades (at least here in the Netherlands) is that they seem to advocate not "being gay" but instead boil down to men dressing in no more than g-strings making suggestive poses. And that really isn't what the "gay movement" really needs right now, because it only furthers the notion that gay men are 'dirty' so to say. If it were really about respect and equality and celebrating diversity I wouldn't mind, but these are just obscene.
That's how it is in the San Francisco Bay Area. The parades usually have very conservatively dressed men and women, but the news media only shows the transvestites.
Of course - the public loves a "freak show". Showing the less mainstream participants panders to that desire. The titillation both excites and enrages the "moral" mojority.
But I ask this - what's wrong with being a transvestite or wanting to dress in a g-string? Who does it harm? Why is it obscene?
Don't get me wrong, I personally have no problem with it. I am a firm advocate/practitioner of kink, so transvestites and men in g-strings don't offend me. However, due to the news media's love of showcasing the unusual, the public gets the impression that that is what it means to be gay. It's a stereo-type that serves no one.
Although - confession time - when I was in town today to get my hair cut, the Salvation Army band were marching down the high street with their police escort and I, somewhat uncharitably thought, "Oh, fuck me. God botherers."
I think also it's an opportunity to show that there is nothing to be ashamed about if you are gay, bi or trans. Maybe a straight pride march would do some of these uptight religious types some good - so that they didn't feel quite so ashamed of their sexuality.
It's been years since I've been to the actual parade but as I recall the group that always received the most applause was PFLAG (Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays).
Heteros are welcomed at LGBT Pride. Queers are not welcome at Straight Pride" - major difference. Hardly surprising though. I think that sums up why LGBT Pride day continues to be important.
All gay people should support the hell out of this idea. Imagine all the straight people being in one part of town while we get to enjoy ourselves in the rest of the town. I wish that straights would get their shit together and have one of these every weekend. The absence of straights (narrow-minded ones) from our lives each weekend would be the biggest gift they could give.
CratessetarC 2 months ago
parade is a gay concept I guess just like marriage is a heterosexual concept.
G41MCombo 8 months ago
@G41MCombo and bigotry is a stupid concept.
thatgaybloke 8 months ago
@thatgaybloke bigotry is a gay word which can be thrown at almost anyone. Its a word behind which the entire gay community hides.
G41MCombo 8 months ago
@G41MCombo Pride means we don't have to hide behind anything.
thatgaybloke 8 months ago
@thatgaybloke really are you really proud of who you are? and why? Along with pride comes respect, unfortunately that is something that the gay community never gets from the society. So whats the use of pride when majority of the population does not respect you for who you are. A majority of the population still look at the pride rallies as freak shows. Do they respect you or your lifestyle I doubt it.
G41MCombo 8 months ago
This video and many of your comments are full of hypocrisy and double standards. It is one thing to be proud of being gay and celebrate and another to imply that those different from you ought not celebrate their own orientation as you might misconstrue it as intolerant and / or hate fueled. You say that no one should be made to feel bad about their orientation and yet you strike down straights for attempting to celebrate the very same thing you do. Conflicting stories here.
Evalaena 10 months ago
@Evalaena Did you actually watch the video?
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
@thatgaybloke Yes, I did. You mentioned a single project (an isolated event) and based your half-baked theories (assumptions) about it.
Evalaena 10 months ago
@Evalaena I mentioned "a single project" that was based on encouraging bigotry and compared that with the gay Pride rallies. I made no assumptions, half baked or otherwise, about anyone's motivation. The organisers were quite clear in the purpose of this rally - the key argument made was that it was in defence of homophobic lyrics and that protesting against homophobia is somehow an attack on heterosexuality.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
@Evalaena I find that argument ridiculous. As ridiculous as your attempt to twist my argument from one speaking against homophobia and re-interpreting it as asserting that all heterosexual people are bigots.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
@Evalaena In fact - if you had really watched the video you'd hear me argue that if I was heterosexual I would be pretty pissed at anyone claiming to hold a rally in my name that promoted bigotry. Or did you miss that bit when you were sitting there hearing what you wanted to hear rather than what I actually said? I go on to argue that it seems plenty of heterosexual people have rejected this bigotry because they stayed well away.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
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Evalaena 9 months ago
@Evalaena @Evalaena I was poking fun at bigots, not at straight people. You do get some gay people who are bigoted about heterosexuals - I wouldn't like to think I am one of them. One of the things I find very disappointing is when I hear gay people being racist, or gay men being sexist. I have this naive expectation that people who have been victims of bigotry should be more sympathetic to other people who've been oppressed. Doesn't always seem to work out that way. Human nature.
thatgaybloke 9 months ago
@thatgaybloke Fair enough. That is something we can both agree on. Again, my apologies if I came across as abrasive in my previous posts.
Evalaena 9 months ago
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Evalaena 9 months ago
@Evalaena If you see a "straight pride" rally that has been organised to promote homophobia rather than celebrate diversity then you should feel free to attend. Don't be surprised if you're the only one there, though.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
If a straight pride day is anti-gay, isn't a gay pride day anti-straight? Why shouldn't straight people be allowed to express themselves? There's no better way to denounce hate by practicing hate.
Siryj26 11 months ago
@Siryj26 A gay pride rally most certainly isn't "anti-straight". In fact you'll find straight people walking side by side with gay, lesbian, bisexual and trans people at most gay pride rallies. That's the pretty much the whole point.
thatgaybloke 11 months ago
@thatgaybloke You seem to love double standards and hypocrisy.
Siryj26 10 months ago
you can't do that. why can a bunch of fags throw a huge parade around the world in the middle of the fucking street all fucking day and not be judged about it but straight people can't? that's discrimination too. if gay people can express the "pride" every year for their sexuality, then straight people should be able to do the same. you people always talk about equality and shit but when straight people want the same thing it's a big damn problem. fags are nothing but hypocrites. what a shame.
puppieeyes223 1 year ago
But I need a Straight pride, gay respect shirt!
People (lovely woman) always tend to think / say he's gay
(homo sexual) necessarily by definition,
when they didn't even ask me or my (gay) friends the truth.
I am doing what I can to look straight, but I wanna be myself! I dont evin dislike pink, so what?
earthflake 1 year ago
@foreverxfailure Yeah, fucking fabricated terminology.
Dipstikk 1 year ago
The so called Gay community is of no consequence.
capon33 1 year ago
I am not a homophobe, but I believe that the reson gays are discriminated against by many homophobes is that they claim that they want to be equal to straight people, yet they have their own fucking flag and their own fucking parades. I think we should all be equal, but fuck the gays who think that they are better than straight people. I know plenty of "good" gay people. When I say good, I mean the ones who don't shove their sexuality in the faces of others, but there are MILLIONS of exceptions
doodood60 1 year ago
Sounds like you have a lot of insight into contemporary gay politics.
Gnickk 1 year ago
@doodood60 Oh fuck off. You either support the cause in its entirety or you don't. Don't give us this whole "be a good gay for me" bullshit because nobody's taking it.
Dipstikk 1 year ago
DEATH PENALTY FOR ALL QUEERS!!!!!!!!
atheistworstenemy 1 year ago
something is wrong, if you say i like straight pride or or white pride, oh my god, that brings out all the black and gay people calling me a hater, it sounds to me they are the haters, there is black tv, gay tv, indian tv, where is the white tv, channel,
bluegrassman1000 1 year ago
@bluegrassman1000 Television is dominated by white and heterosexual representation. Because of this there isn't a white television channel. When straight people are told that their sexuality is sinful and evil, when they are made to feel ashamed because of their sexuality, when they have been killed because of their sexuality, and are beaten up because of their sexuality then they can have their straight pride parade. Honestly, did you watch the video before making a comment?
angrycitizen7 1 year ago
@angrycitizen7 have you watched tv lately, i havent seen white dominance, in fact the trend is to see what were once called minorities are the majority, every commercial used to be dominant white no more, and i agree you should be ashamed because of a gay sexuality and what gives the right of homosexuals to take the work gay and use it how they want, you people have turned the world into a sick place
bluegrassman1000 1 year ago
@bluegrassman1000 `Yes, actually I have. Why are you so angry that a minority wants to empower themselves? What gives other people the right to use "gay" when they mean something is stupid? And how exactly have homosexuals turned the world into a sick place?
angrycitizen7 1 year ago
@angrycitizen7 gay means happy, if gay is only a word then why do you people dont like the word, fag or queer and get offended, quite honestly it should be an offence, i am still waiting for cnn to run a documentary on parents of gays, they run everything else, wonder why they wouldnt do that one
bluegrassman1000 1 year ago
Any straight person who is wondering why there isn't a straight pride parade or how unfair it is that gay people have gay pride is an uneducated douchebag who completely misses the point of gay pride in the first place.
angrycitizen7 1 year ago
@angrycitizen7 if you think there is a point to having pride for being gay you missed the point,
bluegrassman1000 1 year ago
@Mandwen82 do you know what "nazi" means?
happy3598 1 year ago
I am so homophobic its unbelievable! :D
PatchCornAdams721 1 year ago
I laughed the first time i heared "straight pride". Some people just have too much time on their hands.
The question urges whats next? " wealth pride"?, "adiposis pride"? truants pride?morons pride?
geeeez...
warminator 2 years ago
Straight Pride Rally sounds like fun. Everyone could wear black, straight prides color. LOL. But this would probably attract a lot of gay bashers so we would need some way to weed them out. If we could do this it would sound great. We could also have an Asexual pride rally and a Bi one. Wait . . . are bi's covered in the gay rally? I guess they could go to the straight one too. Hmm .. . hell, let's throw them a rally too! :D
Snufflebottoms11 2 years ago
Get over yourself.
When you have walked down the street and been verbally or physically abused for being heterosexual, when you have been disowned by your family for being heterosexual, when you have been fired from your job for being heterosexual, when you have your children taken away from you because you are heterosexual then maybe, just maybe you'll understand what it's like to be on the receiving end of sexual bigotry.
thatgaybloke 2 years ago 8
I think calhounism was being sarcastic
Snufflebottoms11 2 years ago
I ever said that being straight makes you a bad person.
thatgaybloke 2 years ago
@thatgaybloke Some girls can be homophobic too, I had bad-naming calling from them verging on threats where I used to live so it's not just straight men that are homophobic.
separatesix 1 year ago
@separatesix yea but northern irleands not the most tolerant
989lmao 1 year ago
@989lmao Had similar incident at work today, what's not tolerated in the rest of the UK shoulden't be tolerated here.
separatesix 1 year ago
@separatesix yea but northern irleands not the most tolerant place lol
989lmao 1 year ago
Being against Straight Pride is just as hateful as being against Gay Pride.
DerektheDuctTape 2 years ago
Doesn't that depend on what the Straight Pride rally represents? This particular Straight Pride march was based on hatred - opposing this is no different from opposing a neo-Nazi march.
thatgaybloke 2 years ago
Comparing people who march in a Straight Pride to the Neo-Nazi's, How can Straight Pride be hatred, then Gay Pride is just as Hateful.
DerektheDuctTape 2 years ago
How about you try reading what's written rather than what you want to see?
I'm comparing the motivation behind THIS Straight Pride march to a Neo-Nazi march because it is based on hate.
thatgaybloke 2 years ago
"The right which is denied to straight peoples is to celebrate and be proud of both their kin and who they are."
Really? I went to my niece's wedding last month. That seemed to be a pretty much wholesale celebration of heterosexuality. I turn on the TV and most programmes - particularly those from the US - celebrate "the family", that being the family based pretty much exclusively on the heterosexual nuclear, model.
thatgaybloke 2 years ago
Saying that if you're in the majority you're not allowed to be proud of it sounds like the mantra of those who claim that you can't get on any more if you're a white, English speaking male because all those disabled black lesbians get given priority.
thatgaybloke 2 years ago
The point of LGBT pride is a demonstration of defiance - that we are happy with who we are and won't be made to feel "less" or "wrong". Similarly, there is nothing wrong with being in the majority. No one should be made to feel wrong or guilty about that either. That's the whole point.
The LGBT pride rallies are a celebration of diversity. The straight pride rally I referred to was about celebrating homophobia and intolerance. That's the difference.
thatgaybloke 2 years ago
Straight people not have the same rights as everyone else? What? You mean how straight people get fired from their jobs for being straight, or beaten up for being straight, or have their families disown them for being straight, or can't get married to a person of the opposite sex? Are those the rights we're talking about? The ones that you think are denied to heterosexuals?
thatgaybloke 2 years ago
The whole point of the pride rallies seems to be lost on you. The point is that it's about being proud to be who you are. LGBT pride rallies are INCLUSIVE - gay people, bi people, trans people and their friends and families - many of whom are straight - are all welcome and all participate. The "straight pride" rally I was referring to in the video is divisive. Gay people certainly wouldn't be welcome.
thatgaybloke 2 years ago
This kind of rally is no different from a BNP march. It's not about celebrating togetherness - it's about celebrating how much better you are than someone else.
Thankfully - in the example I mention - people weren't interested.
thatgaybloke 2 years ago
To do what?
thatgaybloke 2 years ago
Put an end to what?
thatgaybloke 2 years ago
Time to set up a straight pride parade
mrplop007 2 years ago
Go for it. I hope you have better luck than these people.
thatgaybloke 2 years ago
I do not see a straight pride parade as a form of bigotry, or hate or homophobia. Using that logic then gay pride is bigotry towards straights. It has to go both ways.
DerektheDuctTape 3 years ago
A straight pride rally that celebrated people being heterosexual wouldn't be bigotry. One that is created just to show how disgusted these people are with gay people is.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
So, gay people, be happy that you're even allowed the opportunity for peacefull gatherings, because just about anywhere else in the world, you would be torn to shreds for taking/giving it up the exhaust pipe. Everywhere, except England, of course, because England is full of pussies, and Muslims, who want to kill you anyway, not just for being gay. So cheer up, American gay people!
Dachande23 3 years ago
Sigh... Look. We as straight people, don't have to have straight pride parades. Why? Because being straight is NORMAL. I mean, we wouldn't be proud of having two arms, now, would we? If gays want an excuse to get together and advertise their campaign of normalizing poo pushing, that's fine. They definitely have the freedom to do so, becuase this is America.
Dachande23 3 years ago
I'm thinking the reason that a straight pride rally didn't work is because there's no need for it. The straight people are proud enough as it is who needs a meeting. You can tell the gays need it for one thing straight people are always bashing gays because of what they do and the way they act. Similar to any organization set up is for people of there own type to gather there to know they arn't the only ones but for straights we are everywhere... Have fun gays...
Sethern53 3 years ago
What is the difference between pride and bigotry? Please somebody tell me! I can't remember. Pride and approval, shame and contempt, these are two sides of the same coin. How can you get something for nothing? How can you have positive feelings for your identity group, without implicit negative feelings for all other identity groups? These judgements are relative, arent they? You can't love everything and still avoid hipocrisy. Love needs to be something more than just a symbol!
St37One 3 years ago
Gay pride is time where people who have been singled out as the gay kid, or disowned by their own family, can support each other by sticking together and showing thier strength in numbers. The movement is never going to gain enough size and strength to draw out violent extemists, so it is harmless.
I wonder when nerd pride parade is coming.
St37One 3 years ago
Pride is a positive thing - pride in your achievements, pride in being who you are. Bigotry isn't really positive - it's about identifying another group to which the bigots can feel superior in some way.
If you can't understand how it's possible to have pride in yourself without thinking less of someone else, then I don't think I'm going to be able to explain it to you.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
Gay pride is really less about being "proud" of being gay - which makes about as much sense as someone being "proud" to having been born in April, since people don't choose to be gay and don't have to work at it. What it's about is not being ashamed to be who you are. It's about being proud of being strong enough to stand up to bigotry and oppression and hatred and condemnation.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
You don't have to be gay to participate in gay pride. Gay pride is inclusive, unlike bigotry (which is exclusive) - people who aren't homosexual can participate in gay pride too if they are proud of their strength to stand up against intolerance and bigotry. Anyone who is courageous enough to speak out against bigotry - especially if they don't belong to the group being discriminated against - should be proud of their courage and decency.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
When the only difference in meaning between two terms is that one has a positive connotation, and the other a negative one, then this is an example of how thought can be controled by propaganda, not something to take lightly.
But singling out a small group to praise, is different from singling out a small group to insult. They are both have a quality of being irrational and dishonest, but one could foster sabbotage, the other competition.
St37One 3 years ago
Pride is only positive when you ignore how it impacts on other people.
It is actually one of the seven deadly sins, (aka cardinal sins) so good Christians will not support it.
The thing about pride, is that when advertised it inspires other people to be envious. Envy is a very petty emotion, but it is not going away anytime soon so we have to work with it, and treat it as a given.
Here, have a pat on the back, so that you dont have to do it yourself. You are really really great!
St37One 3 years ago
When you single out a person, and you do something kind just for them, it is easy to forget that you are treating everyone else unfairly. When one person recieves an unfair promotion, everyone else is held back. When one person counterfiets a million dollars, everyone else loses money. There is no such thing as a victimless crime. Random acts of kindness are great, but targeted ones arent
St37One 3 years ago
You've lost me. I don't equate people demonstrating to show that they will not be cowed by bigots with theft.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
Of course pride is a sin. It makes people feel good about themselves. Christianity is all about making people feel worthless so they are more easily controlled.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
You have lost me. I don't attack straw man arguments!
Theft? LOL
Is it really my fault that you don't understand?
St37One 3 years ago
Feeling good about yourself is ALWAYS relative to something else, and in this case it is relative to other people, although sometimes it can mean relative to how you felt about yourself yesterday, or last week, or whatever, so ya its confusing.
But you are right, people making noise and celebrating is not at all like stealing. My point was very different. Just that in order fro praise to have meaning, in must be in limited supply. Counterfieting isnt "stealing" either.
St37One 3 years ago
Straight pride parade. That sounds sort of oxymoronic. Parades are bright colorful festive things. Maybe they meant a straight pride procession wherein several pallbearer types carry a giant penis through an arch that looks more than noticeably vaginal while acting very sombre and dressed in dark suits and black dresses.
ratholin 3 years ago
lol!
Danmill23 3 years ago
Just great, as ever, and - what's more - you're right about the FUN
tenneral 3 years ago
lol, i have a straight pride parade everytime i turn on main stream media... =]
whispers83 3 years ago
That's my answer to the "you're always throwing your sexuality in our faces". I can't turn on TV, read a magazine, walk past a billboard, read a novel, listen to a pop song without heterosexuality being thrust in mine most of the time.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
@thatgaybloke Moreover, in regards to heterosexuality being "thrust in your face", how do you suspect you were brought in to this world? You owe your entire existence to heterosexuals, sir.
Evalaena 10 months ago
@Evalaena You really make a mission of missing the point, don't you? Let me try and spell it out a simply as I can. Gay people often hear the accusation "you're throwing your sexuality in our faces". Regardless of whether this is a good or bad thing, it's an argument from a position of weakness when those making it are "guilty" of exactly the same behaviour. I would explain further but can't think of a one syllable word for hypocrite.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
Aren't the xmas and easter parades enough for them?
redfurrymonster 3 years ago
how disappointing that had to turn it into a hate thing. when i saw the title i had my rollerskate, rainbow suspenders and gold hot pants ready to go.
cozmikzen 3 years ago
Don't fret too much - dressed like that you'd fit in just great at one of our parades!
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
Hey! Thats what I was going to wear!
redfurrymonster 3 years ago
woohoo, suspenders with no top! you would pull it off way better than i would!
cozmikzen 3 years ago
What can I say, I'm an exhibitionist at heart.
redfurrymonster 3 years ago
Tease!
tecnoblix 3 years ago
Just as Black rallies in the time of the equal rights movement; gay pride rallies are necessary. I hope one day homophobia loses strength much as racism has.
There's this huge gray area now however where I'm not feeling true 'equality'; such as affirmative action. This is racist, just the opposite side. (put brilliantly in Remember the Titans. 'Who are you helping coach? I may be a mean cuss, but I'm the same mean cuss to everyone. You think you're helping them... You're hurting them.)
happysplodie 3 years ago
I knew that homophobia's wide spread in this dancehall/ragga subculture (homosexual acts are still forbidden in jamaica, i think), but I didn't know about them planing such an event. I don't understand their problem with gay pride events either. If they don't like it, they don't have to come, but if they want to, it isn't like they had to be gay to be allowed to come, nor does it make them gay or something. Some people don't seem to understand this.
petname 3 years ago
There are all sorts of flimsy excuses about "cultural context" and the like bandied around for the intense homophobia in much of this music. I reject all of these excuses outright. I'm sure that these black musicians would have plenty to say about a white supremacist who released songs advocating a return to slavery and lynching. Racism is bigotry. So is homophobia.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
I agree, my remark about the legal situation wasn't intended to be an excuse for homophobia of any kind (I hope it didn't sound like that).
petname 3 years ago
I didn't interpret it as you excusing homophobia. It's just that I've heard that excuse used before and it doesn't wash with me at all.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
Maybe people like yourself need to take it back. In the UK, for a long time the Flag of the Union and St George's Cross have been hijacked by nationalistic, racist parties. In the last decade, the English and the British have reclaimed their flag as a source of pride in their nation's accomplishments and values, as opposed to small minded xenophobic bigotry.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
I have my own straight pride parade every weekend. It usually begins at 2AM when the bars close and ends whenever I wake up.
h8uall66 3 years ago
It was also a bit of humor.
ghostofperdition2188 3 years ago
The thing about the gay pride parades (at least here in the Netherlands) is that they seem to advocate not "being gay" but instead boil down to men dressing in no more than g-strings making suggestive poses. And that really isn't what the "gay movement" really needs right now, because it only furthers the notion that gay men are 'dirty' so to say. If it were really about respect and equality and celebrating diversity I wouldn't mind, but these are just obscene.
VerboseVindication 3 years ago
That's how it is in the San Francisco Bay Area. The parades usually have very conservatively dressed men and women, but the news media only shows the transvestites.
h8uall66 3 years ago
Of course - the public loves a "freak show". Showing the less mainstream participants panders to that desire. The titillation both excites and enrages the "moral" mojority.
But I ask this - what's wrong with being a transvestite or wanting to dress in a g-string? Who does it harm? Why is it obscene?
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
Don't get me wrong, I personally have no problem with it. I am a firm advocate/practitioner of kink, so transvestites and men in g-strings don't offend me. However, due to the news media's love of showcasing the unusual, the public gets the impression that that is what it means to be gay. It's a stereo-type that serves no one.
h8uall66 3 years ago
I was actually responding to VerboseVindication's statement that some of the people in the parades are obscene.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
Oh sorry. Can we still be homies for life?
h8uall66 3 years ago
Of course - Dr Who creates binds that can never be severed.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
Boring people who don't get invited.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
Although - confession time - when I was in town today to get my hair cut, the Salvation Army band were marching down the high street with their police escort and I, somewhat uncharitably thought, "Oh, fuck me. God botherers."
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
In my experience LGBT parades are less about being specifically gay/tv/transgender/etc, and more about celebrating diversity.
OminousVoice 3 years ago
I think also it's an opportunity to show that there is nothing to be ashamed about if you are gay, bi or trans. Maybe a straight pride march would do some of these uptight religious types some good - so that they didn't feel quite so ashamed of their sexuality.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
Straight pride sounds a lot like white pride.
mwest1234 3 years ago
It's been years since I've been to the actual parade but as I recall the group that always received the most applause was PFLAG (Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays).
Heteros are welcomed at LGBT Pride. Queers are not welcome at Straight Pride" - major difference. Hardly surprising though. I think that sums up why LGBT Pride day continues to be important.
cavejourney 3 years ago
True - gay pride rallies do tend to be inclusive. Whereas the straight pride rally, as described in the news article, was certainly not.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago