There has been no justice in this country since the 60's.The "Sentences" handed down for any crime these days are a complete joke.People are sentenced in court and never do the time allotted to they by the court,they are released ususaly before less than half the sentence has been served.Prison is no punishment or deterrent ,good accommodation,reasonable food,thing to keep them entertained live TV etc,it's all a joke!
@dirtybunny987 To put it in perspective I'm old enough to have serve three so called "Life" sentences.when your young time appears to pass very slowly but the older you get the faster it goes.A year used to appear to be a very long time to me but nowadays they fly by so quick it's frightening.I remember when I was at school that It felt like forever before I would become 18,that was over 20 years ago,seems like yesterday.
@dirtybunny987 What I am highlighting is that modern "Punishments" do bit fit the crimes.People go out and commit atrocious crimes and the worst they can expect to receive as punishment is to be locked up in a well appointed prison.Where is the punishment in that? So they loose their complete freedom for a few years and when the sentence is done they are released.To take someones life is the worst crime there is and the punishment should reflect this.Discomfort,suffering,hardship
If you think loosing your life and having to go to prison isnt a punishment enough i dont know what you expect.
I mean i couldnt be in prison for a month, not even a week.
I have classes and a job and if i were to miss a week of classes id fail the class and have to repeat the entire semester again and i cant afford to lose a job because i need to eat So having to spend years locked up in a prison doing absolutely nothing would be horrible, id be alive but id have nothing
@dirtybunny987 What you concern yourself with and fear so much can be replacedif you wanted,or had to.If you killed someone they wouldn't be able to do anything ever again.Losing your job and sitting jail is hardly a punishment nor a deterrent.You dont have to kill someone to destroy their lives.The person who drinks then drives and ends up injuring someone badly might get 4 years sat on his arse watching telly then be free.The victim suffers for the rest of their lives.
Loosing 5 years in prison can sometimes result in loosing the rest of your life too.
I mean what are you gonna do when you get out of a 5 year sentence? You have no job, no education a bad background you practically loose your life too. Sometimes they end up just as bad as the victim if not worse What more do you want?
@dirtybunny987 You'd be very surprised of the amount of assistance prisoners receive when they are released.In most countries they are housed,found a job and much more besides.The point I am making is that corporal punishment is a far better deterrent than merely locking someone up in a prison that has heat,light,beds,entertainment,regular meals etc,that's not a punishment.It is no surprise that it had no deterrent value.Some repeat offenders see it as an all expenses paid holiday
@silver760 Not at all. Just look at America's crime rates and you will see that capital punishment does not deter criminals. Criminals will behave in the same way regardless and as for "let's bring it back anyway" Watch 'The 30 year secret" and see how Stefan Kiszko spent 16 years in prison for a murder he did not commit- imagine living with yourself had he been killed for a murder he didn't commit. This is why capital will not and as much as some deserve it, should not come back to Britain.
@slate20 Absolutely right. Who knows how many innocent people we (as Americans) have allowed to be killed. The innocence project has set many supposed offenders free through DNA evidence and it is certain we've killed innocent people. I say the life of an innocent person is more valuable than the gratification of revenge.
Oh, the British People will regret changing this law! That law was created to protect citizens against a corrupt government. That protection is gone. The victims were failed by an incompetent police investigation, not the double jeopardy law. I feel sorry for the Brits, their wonderful country is slowly becoming a police state, and now, a barrier between the State and the people is gone..
Wow, for the first part of the video, I truly thought they were accusing an innocent man, there seemed to be scant evidence, but then the keys under the floor boards, that's a hard one to explain away! My hats off to Julie's mother and Son, their persitence is remarkable - I'm so glad to read in other comments that they managed to change the law and get this killer behind bars. RIP Julie.
Something people never think about is how their noble fight for change is going to drastically affect all others in the future who don't deserve to be screwed over by the laws. These laws were put in place a long time ago when they were trying to fight for rights they never had. Now, all these do-gooders trying to get justice just in THEIR case get laws changed that will hurt all future citizens. Another dandy they're fighting for that will take all rights away is mandatory DNA tests for all.
@Dr1Canuckchuck Wow. Sounds like you're someone with something to hide. Mandatory DNA is supported by all innocent parties. Why? Because it exonerates them while convicting, so to speak, the guilty! As for the double jeopardy bullshit law, it serves EVERYONE! No more will criminals be able to get away with their crimes! Worries you does it? Well then, confess and purge your guilt is all I have to say. What a complete jackass you are! Welcome to the 21st century fucktard!
@nvieira100 Despite your childish reply, I will explain my reasons.
If/when the Police come to me with a suspicion of having done something wrong I will gladly volunteer any/all forensic samples required to clear me. Until such time as this happens I will not submit anything. I seem to know a lot more about the way the world works than morons like you. That's all you need is your forensic ID in the possession of some corrupt cop, easily planted, etc. You're a complete fool to agree to this, GL
im glad the guilty man is finally in jail and got what he deserved if only in part what he does deserve is death .... but i do stress concern that some police will have an innocent charged andif they are proven innocent that they will continue to have that person in court till they get a guilty verdict any way they can not all police are honorable
Billy Dunlop was found guilty and became the 1st person in britain to be charged twice for murder, after Julies brave mum and dad got the law scrapped, it took them 17 yrs but they did it. They finally got justice for julie x
If you type in your browser "Who's laughing now Billy Dunlop" you can read the article for yourself.
Julies' mum and family are stronger than they think. I don't know what I'd do if my daughters killer was found innocent by my peers,then set free only to boast about killing her. I have a lot of respect for this family. I wish I could help.
Yeah, why can't we change the double jeopardy law here in the U.S.? It's yet another stupid tradition we're yolked with thanks to the Brits--who've since had the good sense to change it themselves. I say "yet another" because I count Puritanism and the death penalty as two others.
@jposh707 you've had power of the country for a whlie now. its up to you to change your laws and Leave us Brits out of it .... we got our own problems to burden we don't need the worlds biggest whinge-bags as well
@tregino I was addressing other Americans. And from a purely historical standpoint, it's undeniable that we inherited these things from England. At this point it's absolutely up to us to make our country better... I was simply stating a fact.
@jposh707 we've all done things we not proud of as nations and i agree we cant deny the legacy left but we didn't give you you're constitution and various amendmants since
I think the double jeopardy laws should be changed here in the US also.Of course there will always be overzealous Prosecutors who will re try someone over and over till they get a conviction,so there must be standards and guidelines set to prevent this from happening. If they have admitted that they did the crime, or new evidence surfaces,then they should be allowed to re try them.
@doriangz thank god for that. that guy had already proven he had no intention of changing his behaviour and clearly needed to be removed from society for it's protection and punished / treated as appropriate.
@doriangz Yes, in October 2006, he was sentenced to Life with a minimum tariff of 17 years. Ann Ming is a wonderful mother, who should never have had to go through all that, but she kept going for her daughter. God bless you Ann.
Her son seems such a lovely young man, I can't imagine how any of them feel.
I always feel so sad watching these documentaries, I wonder how people can bring themselves to do such things. :(
H2IXI 3 weeks ago
There has been no justice in this country since the 60's.The "Sentences" handed down for any crime these days are a complete joke.People are sentenced in court and never do the time allotted to they by the court,they are released ususaly before less than half the sentence has been served.Prison is no punishment or deterrent ,good accommodation,reasonable food,thing to keep them entertained live TV etc,it's all a joke!
silver760 3 months ago
@silver760 If you think its such a joke then how abut YOU serve a life sentence and see how funny it is.
That comment was really ignorant.
dirtybunny987 1 month ago
@dirtybunny987 To put it in perspective I'm old enough to have serve three so called "Life" sentences.when your young time appears to pass very slowly but the older you get the faster it goes.A year used to appear to be a very long time to me but nowadays they fly by so quick it's frightening.I remember when I was at school that It felt like forever before I would become 18,that was over 20 years ago,seems like yesterday.
silver760 1 month ago
@silver760 So in other words you're saying you can do a life sentence easy no problem because time goes by so fast?
I still dont see whats so funny about it
dirtybunny987 1 month ago
@dirtybunny987 What I am highlighting is that modern "Punishments" do bit fit the crimes.People go out and commit atrocious crimes and the worst they can expect to receive as punishment is to be locked up in a well appointed prison.Where is the punishment in that? So they loose their complete freedom for a few years and when the sentence is done they are released.To take someones life is the worst crime there is and the punishment should reflect this.Discomfort,suffering,hardship
silver760 1 month ago
@silver760
If you think loosing your life and having to go to prison isnt a punishment enough i dont know what you expect.
I mean i couldnt be in prison for a month, not even a week.
I have classes and a job and if i were to miss a week of classes id fail the class and have to repeat the entire semester again and i cant afford to lose a job because i need to eat So having to spend years locked up in a prison doing absolutely nothing would be horrible, id be alive but id have nothing
dirtybunny987 1 month ago
@dirtybunny987 What you concern yourself with and fear so much can be replacedif you wanted,or had to.If you killed someone they wouldn't be able to do anything ever again.Losing your job and sitting jail is hardly a punishment nor a deterrent.You dont have to kill someone to destroy their lives.The person who drinks then drives and ends up injuring someone badly might get 4 years sat on his arse watching telly then be free.The victim suffers for the rest of their lives.
silver760 1 month ago
@silver760 I dont what your point is.
I dont know what you're trying to suggest.
Loosing 5 years in prison can sometimes result in loosing the rest of your life too.
I mean what are you gonna do when you get out of a 5 year sentence? You have no job, no education a bad background you practically loose your life too. Sometimes they end up just as bad as the victim if not worse What more do you want?
dirtybunny987 1 month ago
@dirtybunny987 You'd be very surprised of the amount of assistance prisoners receive when they are released.In most countries they are housed,found a job and much more besides.The point I am making is that corporal punishment is a far better deterrent than merely locking someone up in a prison that has heat,light,beds,entertainment,regular meals etc,that's not a punishment.It is no surprise that it had no deterrent value.Some repeat offenders see it as an all expenses paid holiday
silver760 1 month ago
@silver760 Not at all. Just look at America's crime rates and you will see that capital punishment does not deter criminals. Criminals will behave in the same way regardless and as for "let's bring it back anyway" Watch 'The 30 year secret" and see how Stefan Kiszko spent 16 years in prison for a murder he did not commit- imagine living with yourself had he been killed for a murder he didn't commit. This is why capital will not and as much as some deserve it, should not come back to Britain.
slate20 4 weeks ago
@slate20 Absolutely right. Who knows how many innocent people we (as Americans) have allowed to be killed. The innocence project has set many supposed offenders free through DNA evidence and it is certain we've killed innocent people. I say the life of an innocent person is more valuable than the gratification of revenge.
LonerlovezL 3 weeks ago
Is that bastard wearing an All Blacks shirt?! How dare he!
demonella 4 months ago
Oh, the British People will regret changing this law! That law was created to protect citizens against a corrupt government. That protection is gone. The victims were failed by an incompetent police investigation, not the double jeopardy law. I feel sorry for the Brits, their wonderful country is slowly becoming a police state, and now, a barrier between the State and the people is gone..
Iamnutsy 4 months ago 3
Wow, for the first part of the video, I truly thought they were accusing an innocent man, there seemed to be scant evidence, but then the keys under the floor boards, that's a hard one to explain away! My hats off to Julie's mother and Son, their persitence is remarkable - I'm so glad to read in other comments that they managed to change the law and get this killer behind bars. RIP Julie.
MillStream30 4 months ago
Something people never think about is how their noble fight for change is going to drastically affect all others in the future who don't deserve to be screwed over by the laws. These laws were put in place a long time ago when they were trying to fight for rights they never had. Now, all these do-gooders trying to get justice just in THEIR case get laws changed that will hurt all future citizens. Another dandy they're fighting for that will take all rights away is mandatory DNA tests for all.
Dr1Canuckchuck 4 months ago
@Dr1Canuckchuck Wow. Sounds like you're someone with something to hide. Mandatory DNA is supported by all innocent parties. Why? Because it exonerates them while convicting, so to speak, the guilty! As for the double jeopardy bullshit law, it serves EVERYONE! No more will criminals be able to get away with their crimes! Worries you does it? Well then, confess and purge your guilt is all I have to say. What a complete jackass you are! Welcome to the 21st century fucktard!
nvieira100 4 months ago
@nvieira100 Despite your childish reply, I will explain my reasons.
If/when the Police come to me with a suspicion of having done something wrong I will gladly volunteer any/all forensic samples required to clear me. Until such time as this happens I will not submit anything. I seem to know a lot more about the way the world works than morons like you. That's all you need is your forensic ID in the possession of some corrupt cop, easily planted, etc. You're a complete fool to agree to this, GL
Dr1Canuckchuck 4 months ago
Billy Dunlop is arrogant bitch.
xxxMarzikinnsxxx 6 months ago
im glad the guilty man is finally in jail and got what he deserved if only in part what he does deserve is death .... but i do stress concern that some police will have an innocent charged andif they are proven innocent that they will continue to have that person in court till they get a guilty verdict any way they can not all police are honorable
TheSinjingideon 6 months ago
I would of killed the guy myself, waited for him to be released from prison and then gutted him
ElleCM2 6 months ago 3
That stupid lawyer Imran Khan is a known Al Qaida apologist fuck him the idiot
teewoods 7 months ago 2
Who wouldn't like to see that law scrapped retroactively in the US? OJ and Cayce, of course!!
Harrysmom2008 7 months ago 2
If I were her parents I would have found out when he was released from prison, wait outside in my car and "accidentally" run him over-simple
bigpmc 7 months ago 2
Billy Dunlop was found guilty and became the 1st person in britain to be charged twice for murder, after Julies brave mum and dad got the law scrapped, it took them 17 yrs but they did it. They finally got justice for julie x
If you type in your browser "Who's laughing now Billy Dunlop" you can read the article for yourself.
TheChrissy48 9 months ago 4
Julies' mum and family are stronger than they think. I don't know what I'd do if my daughters killer was found innocent by my peers,then set free only to boast about killing her. I have a lot of respect for this family. I wish I could help.
jackiescorpio 10 months ago 6
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fukinblowme 10 months ago
Julies mother is wonderful
she has great strength when fighting the system of shit that the uk is
FACTUNTHJU 1 year ago
Yeah, why can't we change the double jeopardy law here in the U.S.? It's yet another stupid tradition we're yolked with thanks to the Brits--who've since had the good sense to change it themselves. I say "yet another" because I count Puritanism and the death penalty as two others.
jposh707 1 year ago
@jposh707 you've had power of the country for a whlie now. its up to you to change your laws and Leave us Brits out of it .... we got our own problems to burden we don't need the worlds biggest whinge-bags as well
tregino 11 months ago
@tregino I was addressing other Americans. And from a purely historical standpoint, it's undeniable that we inherited these things from England. At this point it's absolutely up to us to make our country better... I was simply stating a fact.
jposh707 11 months ago
@jposh707 we've all done things we not proud of as nations and i agree we cant deny the legacy left but we didn't give you you're constitution and various amendmants since
tregino 11 months ago
I think the double jeopardy laws should be changed here in the US also.Of course there will always be overzealous Prosecutors who will re try someone over and over till they get a conviction,so there must be standards and guidelines set to prevent this from happening. If they have admitted that they did the crime, or new evidence surfaces,then they should be allowed to re try them.
judy4justice 1 year ago 2
absolutley heartbreaking.
adidaspink 1 year ago
For those who don't know how this ended up, the law WAS changed, Billy Dunlop plead guilty and was sentenced to life.
doriangz 1 year ago 69
@doriangz thank god for that. that guy had already proven he had no intention of changing his behaviour and clearly needed to be removed from society for it's protection and punished / treated as appropriate.
djnextone 1 year ago
@doriangz thank god!!!
Nawty2Hawty 1 year ago
@doriangz thx for the update im glad he got life hope someone gets him inside the scumbag.
adidaspink 1 year ago
@doriangz Oh I'm so pleased. I was starting to get really upset. What a disgusting piece of filth. I hope his life is misery!
shoegalsho2 1 year ago
@doriangz Yes, in October 2006, he was sentenced to Life with a minimum tariff of 17 years. Ann Ming is a wonderful mother, who should never have had to go through all that, but she kept going for her daughter. God bless you Ann.
annaesse 1 year ago 45
@doriangz
Thanks for the info, i was wondering how it turned out.
TheLorraine64 11 months ago
I hope the boys father is in the picture and gives him some support.
silentfades 1 year ago 8