This was a US Air Express flight. I flew for Mesa. Yes, the autopilot disconnect is the same alert as Airbus. Yes the NAV 1 was depressed- we were on speaker- no headsets. One of those great stand-up trips returning from Eugene. Was a visual approach- no minimums. The computer calls out the altitude.
@shmuck50 well thats what you're supposed to do with an ILS approach, but i just think its funny to see ils's on visual days. but i guess they basically do ils's all the time at major airports just to keep the planes all coming in in "pre-programmed" ways instead of just casually flying in on visual.
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Is it really worth becoming a pilot? I'm starting to think it's not. You have to spend thousands of dollars just to get your ratings, and you start out making minimum wage!
Hey, if your happy flying, who cares about the money? I mean, in time you move up and bam more pay. I think if your happy with your job i wouldn't care about the money.
@poopsyproductions See you don't get it... if the people below you are willing to do it for less and less then the money that you're supposed to be moving up to is gonna go away, because cheap labor will be brought in to replace the expensive labor.
@archer49d That would be true if you were referring to unskilled labor such as cleaning, or manufacturing, but in a job such as piloting where you require thousands of hours of experience and a university degree to be hired the pay will always be higher and improve with experience and seniority.
@CA477544 Then (a) why do RJ FOs make as much (or in some cases less) than those "unskilled" workers, and (b) why is more and more flying being outsourced to the regionals (who are willing to work for less)?
The biggest problem with the industry is CML idiots have all gotten SJS and they're willing to work for peanuts just to pretend they know how to fly.
@archer49d You have a valid argument, but are missing my point probably because I didn't make it clear. Yes I understand larger airlines are outsourcing, and I understand new hire regional pilots make very little money. My point was though with seniority your pay improves, a 9 year captain at a regional airline can make more than 100 000 per year. Most pilots then upgrade after that and move on to a large mainstream part of the airline and make closer to 130 000 per year,
@CA477544 Think about it this way... what happens when a 9 year captain at a regional has nowhere to go because all the jobs above him were outsourced (to him)? Willing to work for less isn't "getting experience" it's cutting your own throat.
@archer49d You're completely missing my point, you are obviously flying for all of the wrong reasons because really any pilot that I know does not care about salary, we fly because we love it. I looked at your page and you look like an aviator yourself too, you must feel the love for flying, why do you care about pay?
@CA477544 While I enjoy flying I also have my well-being to look after. If you love flying so much... would you do it for free? Would you split the fuel bill with the rest of the crew just so you can enjoy yourself? If the only reason you're working as a pilot is because you have SJS then I'd rather you get out of the industry and fly a Cessna on weekends, and leave the commercial flying to people who demand to be appropriatley compensated for their skills.
@archer49d Senior pilots in regional airlines would make around 100 000 dollars per year, is that not enough for you? Do you want more? Why not go to a major air carrier and make 150 000 to 200 000 per year, if that doesn't sate your greed why not fly for Emirates and make up to 450 000 per year as a captain, is that good enough for you? I have read all the pay scales on the ALPA site, please stop complaining and feeling sorry for yourself and find a new job.
@CA477544 100,000 is acceptable for a normal work schedule, then again I think a bit more is better only because most people who work in offices and earn 100,000 don't have a risk of their office exploding at 10 PM while 35,000 feet over the Atlantic, nor do they work 6-7 days a week (as a all but a very sernior regional CA would) to earn that amount. Also, what isn't acceptable is SJS clowns who accept 16,000 as a starting salary to fly 1000 hours a year.
@archer49d Okay, you know what I don't even know why I'm arguing with you. Yes the pay for regional pilots is terrible, but really as pilots all we can hope to do is join and support unions such as ALPA that will press for higher pilot wages, and working conditions. I would love to get paid 100 000 as a first year first officer at a regional airline, but that's just a pipe dream unless airline pilot unions step up and do something.
@CA477544 A big part of the point I'm trying to make is that a union will only be as strong as its weakest link, and there are a lot of weak links out there right now. I've never worked for a union airline and I've always been paid a very fair salary (I made more than a senior regional RJ CA would while flying a 207 my first year), in the non-union world most carriers (which want to be respected) pay a fair rate. Industry wide pilots need to set a rate for their particular AC and stick to it.
@archer49d There's no reason an 50 seater jet CA at one place should make 45.48/hr and the place next door pays 44.36/hour. There should be an accepted industry wide rate (enforced by the pilots and/or union) for that aircraft, I would deem "fair" to be in the 65/hour neighborhood to start for that aircraft in the left seat and 30-35 for the right. People working on a plae that's pushing 460 knots in the stratosphere while being paid burger flipper wages has always boggled my mind.
@archer49d Yeah, I see your point totally. It's not fair the amount of time and money pilots have to put in, only to get out crappy wages in return. I really hope to see change in the airline industry before I reach the point in my career when I choose to fly regional. Before 9/11 apparently pilots were paid well, but during 9/11 people didn't want to travel by air and pilots agreed to shed a lot of their wages to keep the airlines afloat. Now airlines refuse to bring the wages back up.
@CA477544 The "before/after 9/11" scenario is true of most majors at the moment, though some are succesfully regaining lost ground. On the other hand regional pilots have never been paid well, the low wages are a holdover from the 19-seater days that many did not try to change because they viewed regional flying as a temporary job. Now they're finding out they might spend their entire careers at the regional level and are doing the proverbial "oh sh*t".
@archer49d Yeah, I read that airlines regaining the lost ground refuse to return pay to the normal rate because it would cost them "1.4 billion dollars" they figure the solution is to have pilots work more hours. I figure that really the best way around this would be to go through the military and from there right into a major airline.
Actually, you're absolutely right. As a furloughed airline type myself, I can tell you that there is still great joy in flying, but the industry has watered itself down since 2001 through bankruptcies and farming out of mainline flying to the very carriers who don't want to pay anyone more than $23,000 to start. This is the hard reality of today's airline industry. Fly for the love of flying...but don't sell yourself short.
I'm not telling you to not consider it...but to consider what the industry has become. There's been a lot of heartache in this industry, and from my experience those who own aircraft and fly for fun or their own purposes don't have careers in the industry. Those who have the most experience in the industry don't seem to have their own aircraft, etc. If you want into the industry, have a good plan B careerwise.
i love the gpws sounds
iseesquares 7 months ago
I always love flying into and out of Phoenix. I fly for Allegiant, and we're in and out of IWA which is near by.
AJC7282 7 months ago
Kool video...wish it recorded until the plane stopped.
cabrame 7 months ago
autopilot disengage, if you have Wilco's CRJ then you will hear it
dangerousairports 8 months ago
what is the sound at 0:42? i sometimes hear it in FSX and I'd like to know why :)
Lucassandro25 8 months ago
@Lucassandro25 this is the standard airbus AP Disconnect Sound ;)
SuperApple1995 6 months ago
Cockpit landing vids are so deceptive. I feel like I could jog to the runway faster from this POV.
rafalweb 1 year ago
I meant the speaker knob was depressed on the radio panel.
norcalis 1 year ago
This was a US Air Express flight. I flew for Mesa. Yes, the autopilot disconnect is the same alert as Airbus. Yes the NAV 1 was depressed- we were on speaker- no headsets. One of those great stand-up trips returning from Eugene. Was a visual approach- no minimums. The computer calls out the altitude.
norcalis 1 year ago
it sure sounds like an airbus's autopilot...hmm
MrRedbull333 1 year ago
@shmuck50 well thats what you're supposed to do with an ILS approach, but i just think its funny to see ils's on visual days. but i guess they basically do ils's all the time at major airports just to keep the planes all coming in in "pre-programmed" ways instead of just casually flying in on visual.
codyl1992 1 year ago
@codyl1992 Makes it easier for the ATC.
burreaucracy 1 year ago
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greentea84 1 year ago
funny how they leave the autopilot on til they are like 200 feet off the ground
codyl1992 1 year ago
@codyl1992 yeah, after that, the autopilot becomes very sesitive to small unaligments ad ends up overreacting to certain situations.
Besides, it's a sort of law
simpledudeable 1 year ago
mESA SUCKS BALLS
ejuoi 1 year ago
Hey i used to work for Mesa on the ramp in PHX. message me the tail number. im just curious wut plane it is :)
airplanecrazy 2 years ago
omg, Phoenix Sky Harbor got way nicer since 07, (i live in Gilbert AZ, witch is 1 hour away)
fsxking08 2 years ago
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Is it really worth becoming a pilot? I'm starting to think it's not. You have to spend thousands of dollars just to get your ratings, and you start out making minimum wage!
pbcmbeez22 2 years ago
Hey, if your happy flying, who cares about the money? I mean, in time you move up and bam more pay. I think if your happy with your job i wouldn't care about the money.
poopsyproductions 2 years ago 22
@poopsyproductions So you're saying it's ok to have no respect for yourself or your profession if you enjoy it.
Stupid CMLs.
archer49d 1 year ago
@poopsyproductions See you don't get it... if the people below you are willing to do it for less and less then the money that you're supposed to be moving up to is gonna go away, because cheap labor will be brought in to replace the expensive labor.
archer49d 1 year ago
@archer49d That would be true if you were referring to unskilled labor such as cleaning, or manufacturing, but in a job such as piloting where you require thousands of hours of experience and a university degree to be hired the pay will always be higher and improve with experience and seniority.
CA477544 1 year ago
@CA477544 Then (a) why do RJ FOs make as much (or in some cases less) than those "unskilled" workers, and (b) why is more and more flying being outsourced to the regionals (who are willing to work for less)?
The biggest problem with the industry is CML idiots have all gotten SJS and they're willing to work for peanuts just to pretend they know how to fly.
archer49d 1 year ago
@archer49d You have a valid argument, but are missing my point probably because I didn't make it clear. Yes I understand larger airlines are outsourcing, and I understand new hire regional pilots make very little money. My point was though with seniority your pay improves, a 9 year captain at a regional airline can make more than 100 000 per year. Most pilots then upgrade after that and move on to a large mainstream part of the airline and make closer to 130 000 per year,
CA477544 1 year ago
@CA477544 Think about it this way... what happens when a 9 year captain at a regional has nowhere to go because all the jobs above him were outsourced (to him)? Willing to work for less isn't "getting experience" it's cutting your own throat.
archer49d 1 year ago
@archer49d You're completely missing my point, you are obviously flying for all of the wrong reasons because really any pilot that I know does not care about salary, we fly because we love it. I looked at your page and you look like an aviator yourself too, you must feel the love for flying, why do you care about pay?
CA477544 1 year ago
@CA477544 While I enjoy flying I also have my well-being to look after. If you love flying so much... would you do it for free? Would you split the fuel bill with the rest of the crew just so you can enjoy yourself? If the only reason you're working as a pilot is because you have SJS then I'd rather you get out of the industry and fly a Cessna on weekends, and leave the commercial flying to people who demand to be appropriatley compensated for their skills.
archer49d 1 year ago
@archer49d Senior pilots in regional airlines would make around 100 000 dollars per year, is that not enough for you? Do you want more? Why not go to a major air carrier and make 150 000 to 200 000 per year, if that doesn't sate your greed why not fly for Emirates and make up to 450 000 per year as a captain, is that good enough for you? I have read all the pay scales on the ALPA site, please stop complaining and feeling sorry for yourself and find a new job.
CA477544 1 year ago
@CA477544 100,000 is acceptable for a normal work schedule, then again I think a bit more is better only because most people who work in offices and earn 100,000 don't have a risk of their office exploding at 10 PM while 35,000 feet over the Atlantic, nor do they work 6-7 days a week (as a all but a very sernior regional CA would) to earn that amount. Also, what isn't acceptable is SJS clowns who accept 16,000 as a starting salary to fly 1000 hours a year.
archer49d 1 year ago
@archer49d Okay, you know what I don't even know why I'm arguing with you. Yes the pay for regional pilots is terrible, but really as pilots all we can hope to do is join and support unions such as ALPA that will press for higher pilot wages, and working conditions. I would love to get paid 100 000 as a first year first officer at a regional airline, but that's just a pipe dream unless airline pilot unions step up and do something.
CA477544 1 year ago
@CA477544 A big part of the point I'm trying to make is that a union will only be as strong as its weakest link, and there are a lot of weak links out there right now. I've never worked for a union airline and I've always been paid a very fair salary (I made more than a senior regional RJ CA would while flying a 207 my first year), in the non-union world most carriers (which want to be respected) pay a fair rate. Industry wide pilots need to set a rate for their particular AC and stick to it.
archer49d 1 year ago
@archer49d There's no reason an 50 seater jet CA at one place should make 45.48/hr and the place next door pays 44.36/hour. There should be an accepted industry wide rate (enforced by the pilots and/or union) for that aircraft, I would deem "fair" to be in the 65/hour neighborhood to start for that aircraft in the left seat and 30-35 for the right. People working on a plae that's pushing 460 knots in the stratosphere while being paid burger flipper wages has always boggled my mind.
archer49d 1 year ago
@archer49d Yeah, I see your point totally. It's not fair the amount of time and money pilots have to put in, only to get out crappy wages in return. I really hope to see change in the airline industry before I reach the point in my career when I choose to fly regional. Before 9/11 apparently pilots were paid well, but during 9/11 people didn't want to travel by air and pilots agreed to shed a lot of their wages to keep the airlines afloat. Now airlines refuse to bring the wages back up.
CA477544 1 year ago
@CA477544 The "before/after 9/11" scenario is true of most majors at the moment, though some are succesfully regaining lost ground. On the other hand regional pilots have never been paid well, the low wages are a holdover from the 19-seater days that many did not try to change because they viewed regional flying as a temporary job. Now they're finding out they might spend their entire careers at the regional level and are doing the proverbial "oh sh*t".
archer49d 1 year ago
@archer49d Yeah, I read that airlines regaining the lost ground refuse to return pay to the normal rate because it would cost them "1.4 billion dollars" they figure the solution is to have pilots work more hours. I figure that really the best way around this would be to go through the military and from there right into a major airline.
CA477544 1 year ago
for sure! it's living the dream, i'm working as a flight instructor, going for airlines, but if its what you really like, you'll enjoy your career
pilotace23 2 years ago
There's only one way to find out if it's worth it
MacExpert 2 years ago
Actually, you're absolutely right. As a furloughed airline type myself, I can tell you that there is still great joy in flying, but the industry has watered itself down since 2001 through bankruptcies and farming out of mainline flying to the very carriers who don't want to pay anyone more than $23,000 to start. This is the hard reality of today's airline industry. Fly for the love of flying...but don't sell yourself short.
stlflyguy 2 years ago
so are you recommending i shouldn't even get a job as a pilot in the industry? just fly for fun?
pbcmbeez22 2 years ago
I'm not telling you to not consider it...but to consider what the industry has become. There's been a lot of heartache in this industry, and from my experience those who own aircraft and fly for fun or their own purposes don't have careers in the industry. Those who have the most experience in the industry don't seem to have their own aircraft, etc. If you want into the industry, have a good plan B careerwise.
stlflyguy 2 years ago
@pbcmbeez22 As my uncle explained to me (he flies for United), you definitely need a plan B. But, if you like flying, go for it.
burreaucracy 1 year ago
@stlflyguy Very good reply! If only the young college kids would listen.
pilotoenrique 2 years ago
Not True At All!!!
TheCitationXman 2 years ago
Im guessing since this is a CRJ 900 in PHX, this is a US AIR flight operated by Mesa?
boomchikawowwowo 2 years ago
Is that Phoenix Arizona??? :D
I have family over there! :)
I love that!
(I'm from Holland, Europe)
AXELHEEREN 2 years ago
yuppers it is!
shadddey5 2 years ago
i take lessons in a tecneum p92 eglet and a p2002 seiria
pianomansas 2 years ago
whats that sound at 0:42?
trancebeliever 3 years ago
Autopilot disconnect alerter
dyockey 3 years ago
I think that sound was the NAV 1 radio.
TacticalDude2 2 years ago
No doubt. AP Disconnect
ExpXeNoN 2 years ago
Maybe 'Mininimums' sound, I don't know enything about the CRJ series, so, don't ask me :P
AXELHEEREN 2 years ago
Autopilot disconnected :)
roxetterc747 2 years ago 6
I am going to become a regional airline pilot.
Devilockjesus 3 years ago
I hope that's a joke
dyockey 3 years ago
wannabe no expierience
shadddey5 3 years ago
sure I have no experience in a regional jet yet, but I have flown a Cessna 172 and I'm taking flight lessons
Devilockjesus 3 years ago 3
I love flying in little regional jets
bohica31812 3 years ago 2
I go spotting just to the right of 26 there, its cool to see it from the air!
nice vid
psychoshooter11223 4 years ago