So...maybe it's a good time to stop being Capcom's bitch?

[FuturePants]

Blizzard listens to it's customers and works hard on content for its games?

... LOL WUT?

[Forteoverload]

Okay I need some new fighting games!

[creatorofGandP]

Fighting games should go back to being one on one boss fights.

with multiplayer tack on.

[SOLIDOLDSNAKE1]

Ok, having calmed down from yesterday, I gotta ask you Novril. What do you really think of gems? Because the more I think about them, the more I understand that they can be a good idea if executed properly.

[novriltataki]

@SOLIDOLDSNAKE1

since day one the problems only were: 1.preorder/pay2win/unlock 2.tournament time 3.a shallow solution instead of just making the game and characters interesting at high level by themselves.

A quote I liked about this subject: "Customization is more needed in shallower games. I think fighting games are deep enough that it's better just to have some well polished stuff instead of having a million different ryu variations, most of them unplayable."

[mrmuffinwaffle]

@novriltataki I'm gonna play devils advocate for a minute here, novril, what did you think of CvS2 with the whole groove/ratio thing?

[novriltataki]

@mrmuffinwaffle Grooves and ratio could sure use some balancing but they really were the heart of the game- Since the game is after all "Capcom vs SNK 2" they let you choose between systems of various Capcom and SNK games. (also SF/SS=one char games. KOF=team of 3)

"How would Cammy play if she were in a Samsho game?" "How would Kyo play in a SFA?" That's the whole point of CVS2.

But the gems just feel like a tacked on marketing idea for the mainstream crowd.

[SOLIDOLDSNAKE1]

@novriltataki I agree with you that dlc gems are a stupid idea. But we still know very little about them. In fact, IIRC in a recent interview, Capcom said that the gems all would have the same boosts, just different methods of activating. For all we know, DLC gems could have ridiculous activation methods like "land 50 jump attacks". Outside of dlc gems, if executed properly, the gems could really work well. Characters with really bad matchups could adjust the gems to help them with it. (con)

[SOLIDOLDSNAKE1]

@novriltataki I unfortunately never bought AH3 (due to lack of money), but from what I've heard, aren't gems somewhat similar to the Arcana system? Gems are looking to be an evolution of the already custimazation we've had in some fighters. CvS2 and it's groove system helped balance the game (not saying it was perfectly balanced because it wasn't), and going off of a friend whom I trust in FGs, Arcanas helped balance AH3 as well. Who's to say gems won't do the same?

DLC gems still suck though.

[elementpollo]

@SOLIDOLDSNAKE1 you don't have to buy arcanas

[SOLIDOLDSNAKE1]

@elementpollo I've already stated numerous times that dlc gems suck, but like I also said, at least wait until more information comes on them. DLC gems could very well end up as trash, and overall, gems may be able to balance the game better.

[HitmanDread]

@novriltataki If you honestly think that any fighting game is as deep as DotA you've got a lot of misconceptions and pride clouding your view.

[xBlueBlastxX]

Sadly SFxTekken will be at all the major tournaments no matter what.

[SamOliver4]

Wanna know what's paradoxical? Why are people giving a flying fuck if they dismiss the games so severely? If you don't think Game X is good for tournaments then don't host it.

Apparently people think it's still good for tournaments though because people still play it. Fine by me, I don't play in tournaments.

Oh yeah, and Capcom still makes money from gimmicky games, so it's a win-win. Preach the "Monroe Doctrine", if you will; leave them alone and maybe they'll keep leaving you alone.

[UnknownEnemy]

@SamOliver4 Your the reason Steve Jobs died, thanks.

[SamOliver4]

@UnknownEnemy Wow, that was really appropriate. You made excellent use of relevant information to back up your splendid counter-argument. Thanks.

>_> And people like you think you have the right to talk down to casual players.

[h00dRaTchronicles]

judging games you havent played >

[MarleyBM199]

why would someone dislike this???

[neon6]

@MarleyBM199 they want more comeback mechanics in fighting games

[kenshinorox]

STOP LIKING THINGS THAT I DON'T LIKE.JPG

[UnknownEnemy]

competitive games = no money

gimmicks = sells more copies

[mrmuffinwaffle]

Someone wanna summarize this for me? At work with no headphones

[ERUTROTSINEP]

i love how the fighting game scene has been reduced to bitching and whining about new shitty games yet they are played because there's no choice. sucks dick.

[luisisskating]

Didnt buy SF4 or MvC3 and wont. One thing for sure is that im getting skullgirls day one!

[POOPTURTLE]

Where is Skullgirls? Those guys know what's up.

[FluxSonic]

please save fighting games, Skullgirls

[h00dRaTchronicles]

Fighting games will never be esports at this rate. Although fun and competitive the scene is too loose and open. Plus the games are getting simpler and simpler(capcom games atleast)

We'll have fun anyway gems or not

[SOLIDOLDSNAKE1]

When everyone is skeptical on gems and tourneys have banned them before the game is released, Capcom should NOT go ahead keep them as a core mechanic. Capcom has constantly been going downhill lately. They've refused to listen to their hardcore fans. All they care about is their damn paycheck. And the sad part is, Evo is still going to host primarily Capcom games. I hope other FG developers don't follow Capcom's path.

[creatorofGandP]

Don't worry guys once the hackers crack the code needed to add new characters in SSf4 AE for the pc tourney owners can just stream what would be 3d MUGEN with online play instead.

[UnknownEnemy]

@SOLIDOLDSNAKE1 Sad part is, those companies barely have a community outside of Japan to tell them that their game is good. Capcom at least has a community outside of Japan to tell them that their games sucks balls. The paradox continues.

[SOLIDOLDSNAKE1]

It's a bad thing because Capcom acknowledges the tourney scene and DOES take advice from them. So when they realize that Wesker is awesome and Hsien-Ko suck, the solution is not to barely give Hsien-Ko anything and to slightly nerf and actually BUFF Wesker. When the fans cheer in happiness because SFXT has no comeback mechanic, the solution is NOT to add one. And in this rather crucial moment, when everyone

[SOLIDOLDSNAKE1]

This, this is both a good and a bad thing. The good thing is, by NOT catering solely to tourney players, Capcom can do the most important thing: Make sure it's fun. Sometimes it seems like people in the FG community forget that IT'S JUST A GAME. It's made for our entertainment, and we shouldn't get all pissy just because Capcom decided to put Cole in SFXT.

BUT (in next post)

[GeseIIschaft]

ew skisonic.

[Keirnoth]

If I hear the term "esports" one more fucking time...

[mauvecow]

Unfortunately, we all know how this will end up:

"But... the future refused to change."

[novriltataki]

@mauvecow You just got me picturing Lavos with Ono's face...

[mauvecow]

@novriltataki Gigantic Blanka toy busting out of the ground to rain death and destruction everywhere across the planet.

[gallade64]

It could be worse. We could have all been Activision's bitches.

[Bleachlover01]

(Cont'd) as party games. Taking a game seriously and actually trying to win was a new concept to me in the past. Then I played 3rd Strike and I found myself doing so for 3rd Strike. But SF4 and SSF4?(I didn't buy, and never will buy arcade edition) I'm basically the Zangitroll without the hitch of eventually trying to win.

I am not capcom's bitch. I never will be. I didn't buy MvC3 either, and I won't be buying UMvC3.

By the way, thanks for the tip about the good games.

[Bleachlover01]

party party party party party party party party party party

Smash Bros Smash Bros Smash Bros Smash Bros

-quote from one of my favorite youtube vids.

I haven't been on the scene that long, but I sure wish I would have. I would have loved to experience fighting games as the super turbo, third strike, and guilty gear veterans have. Sadly, I don't have that luxary. If I join the scene now, I'll just be bombarded by gimmicks. I'm not a hater, I like SF4 and it's iterations...(cont'd)

[novriltataki]

@Bleachlover01 good games are coming out soon. (hint: every one of them has been mentioned in my channel at least once)

[omgcandy16Kimicari0]

@novriltataki

Oh man, you mean Melty Blood and Doujin Fighter #328? I can't WAIT to play those games! Forget those idiots at Capcom trying new things, THESE people actually know what they're doing! That's why they're still making those same great games today, right?

[novriltataki]

@omgcandy16Kimicari0 Is this a trolling attempt? Capcom isn't trying new things to elevate the genre to new heights. They try new things to make it more casual, damaging the high level play in the process.

Instead of relying on gems to give you forced, artificial diversity, how about you just make a diverse cast with truly unique characters (e.g. guilt y gear) instead of having 7 shotos in your games?

[omgcandy16Kimicari0]

@novriltataki

I see. Well then, carry on with ABLOO BLOO CASUAL SHIT IS RUINING FIGHTAN crusade against Capcom, I'll be playing 3rd Strike, trying to shut out the thoughts that '7331 players only' fighters are what killed the genre.

[tareqs1]

I like being Capcom's bitch

[Raiden3651]

Can't wait to play KOF XIII online and in tournaments. 

[icegryphon]

@Raiden3651

KOF FUCK YEAH!

watch?v=r75Lz1Drp8g

I still love it after all these years.

[SuperUltimateLoser]

Tell that to EventScrubs. Why aren't you promoting KoFXIII? Its a lot of fun and the balances seem really really solid.

[novriltataki]

@SuperUltimateLoser I give priority to games that also have good online play and I'm not optimistic about KOF13 when it comes to online quality and you are welcomed to PM me after it comes out if it's surprisingly good.

[SuperUltimateLoser]

@novriltataki Oh, I prefer local play and only hop online to screw around.

[incident73]

Like the title for the vid.

I'll say it again: This is why I play Virtua Fighter.

[UnknownEnemy]

@incident73 by yourself

[incident73]

@UnknownEnemy More like 3-5 people I know locally in my case. Let people play terrible games, I guess.

[Ergeniz]

The stuff all the players without the mind of sheep already knew, but the rest of the community refused to acknowledge. We all know SFxT, MvC3, etc are bad tournaments games, full of flaws we shouldn't have deal with on a fundamental level, and the company refuses to fix, even with the ease of DLC updates. Yet, this country will bow anyway, and SFxT will show at majors and tourneys because people are just that fucking stupid.

[xIchipoo]

@Ergeniz Preach it man!

I remember reading how Mori considered Capcom the "king" of making fighting games, I wonder if he still thinks that today. :o

[Voltan]

@Ergeniz BOICOTT CRAPCOM GAEMS 4EVVVVVVVAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[JustTVinc]

I dislike almost every game Capcom has created past the third strike era.

Then again, is why I play tekken.

Arksys is also good. Want GG sequel.

sf4 is strictly for trolling

[ZenZetakou]

Riot's League of Legends isn't that good an example, but I still agree that Capcom has deviated from the competitive scene for a while now.

[poryon2]

GEMS ARE THE FUTURE OF FIGHTING GAMES

[novriltataki]

@poryon2 FIGHTING GAMES ARE THE FUTURE OF CASUAL GAMES!

[PwnerGeist]

@novriltataki please on the release of SFxT post the aqua teen hunger force Party song please?