Jason Kidd | Learning From Gary Payton | JasonKidd.com

[Strutization]

Gary Payton is one of the greats and seems like a good guy, he also trained Jeremy Lin and turned Lin into the player he is today... Linsanity.

[218Ghost]

They grew up in Oakland togeather

[razkable]

wow he learne dfrom the freat glove! didnt know that cool!

[iglles93]

GET THAT SHIT OUTTA HERE, NIGGA !!!!!!!!!!

[tellthetruthg]

GP is about the 6th best PG of anytime and that's debatable. Kidd is better

5x all NBA defense

2 all time Assists

3 all time steals

3 all time in 3's made

10 in all time player efficiency rating

967% chance of going to the HOF GP 833%

I heard from a great coach one day a great big man will beat a great smaller man everyday of the week 2x on Sunday. Kidd 6'4 215 GP 6' 180.

Kidd is being humble he was referring to when he was 13 and GP was 18. Kidd was playing against men as a teenager.

[chart3]

LMAO at 0:53

[Agen7Smith]

what the fuck happened to youtube?????

[iamkevinism]

@Agen7Smith lmao you went here to complain..

[Agen7Smith]

@iamkevinism it's the first video i watched with new youtube

[SMALL3ification]

this is one of my fav. nba player

[Ball4ever25]

J Kidd u legend !!!! Get that .... outta here ??xD

[TheDamdavis]

"you not getting off a shot" It's basketball, I can get a shot off" and He wouldn't le me get a shot off and I was hurt XD

[sumskater999]

Y'all who think he's the best point guard ever, I just got a few names for you.

Magic Johnson. Oscar Robertson. Gary Payton. Bob Cousy. John Stockton. Isiah Thomas. End of story.

[underrated1733]

@sumskater999 u forgot nate archibald, the only man to lead the league n assists and points n the same yr

[ChandlerPol]

@sumskater999 I'd add Kevin Johnson, Steve Nash, and Nate Archibald to that list.

[sumskater999]

@ChandlerPol They're great too, but I think it can be debatable as to Kidd being right up there with them.

[ChandlerPol]

@sumskater999 The debate may be a fair one, but while they all could create on a high level, Kidd wasn't a consistently effective scorer like K. Johnson, Nash, and Archibald. Of course, Kidd offered much more defensively than Nash and probably Archibald.

[rayallen0]

@sumskater999 Iverson played the 1 & 2 so he should be in the convo if we are gna mention Payton & Kidd.

[sumskater999]

@rayallen0 True. I'd consider him a 2, just because he was more of a scorer than a play-maker. But he's definitely a top 10 shooting guard.

[ChandlerPol]

@sumskater999 That's an intriguing question, actually. People will probably view Iverson as a top ten shooting guard because of his points and awards, but his real level of effectiveness is debatable. Indeed, the list of teams that have improved following his departure is now quite long. 

[sumskater999]

@ChandlerPol Well I'm willing to BET the 76ers wouldn't have made it to the NBA Finals in 2001 without him. Yes, they had Mutombo, but without Iverson they probably wouldn't even have made the Conference Finals.

Interestingly, most of the all-time greats who haven't won championships have at least led a team to the NBA Finals. Elgin Baylor, Patrick Ewing, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Reggie Miller, etc. So I think Iverson is right up there.

[ChandlerPol]

@sumskater999 ... sure, the Sixers probably wouldn't have won a single playoff series that year without Iverson, but Philadelphia also won playoff games that spring where he shot 11-28 from the field, 10-31, 8-27, 13-35, 10-32, and 5-27. In that last game in the Eastern Conference Finals versus Milwaukee, Iverson scored 15 points on 27 field goal attempts and the Sixers still won! During one six-game stretch in those playoffs, Iverson shot 47-171 (27.49%) and Philadelphia somehow went 4-2!

[ChandlerPol]

@ChandlerPol Those facts speak to two issues:

A) For all the talk of how Iverson carried a supposedly mediocre supporting cast, the defensive and rebounding role players around him bailed Iverson out about as much as he bailed them out. Specifically, they suppressed the opposition, gained extra possessions, and cushioned the liability of Iverson's inefficiency.

[ChandlerPol]

@ChandlerPol B) The Eastern Conference, as would be the case the next two years when Kidd led the Nets to the Finals, proved second-rate, maybe even third-rate. Iverson's '01 Sixers and Kidd's '02 and '03 Nets won the East, but at best, they probably would have fallen in the First Round in the West.

[sumskater999]

@ChandlerPol You see the same thing with Kobe Bryant. Even Jordan had playoff games where he would shoot well under 40%, and yet they still won so many rings. I think that their mere presence allows their teammates to elevate their game, and play with the same kind of heart those guys played with after watching the amazing things they did on the court.

[ChandlerPol]

@sumskater999 Yeah, but games where Jordan shot under 40% proved fairly rare and he represented a better all-around player than Iverson, so he could help his team win in more ways. Of course, Iverson also constituted a skilled passer, but one could argue that he was more of a black hole, that he didn't play within the flow like Jordan. For the record, Iverson actually shot below .390 (.389) in the 2001 playoffs (22 games), so he proved very inefficient on average.

[thug8200]

2 of oaklands finest

[retrotw]

Jason Kidd > Gary Payton...

[gmeans662]

@retrotw hell nalllllllllllll

[blackadam06]

@retrotw

WTF ever...

He OWNED Kidd EVERYTIME they squared off. U need to go check your facts kid..

[wrath0ff]

"I said get that stuff out of here. But I didnt say stuff" lol

[gamoto96]

great player!! so happy he got into half of fame what an incredible person!

[sumskater999]

@gamoto96 You know he beat his wife. Still an incredible person?

[mumubear123]

@sumskater999 "On January 9, 2007, Jason Kidd filed for divorce against his wife, citing "extreme cruelty" during their relationship. Kidd contended intense jealousy, paranoia, and the threat of "false domestic abuse claims" to the police as reasons for the divorce. On February 15, 2007 Joumana Kidd filed a counterclaim for divorce,[22] claiming that the NBA star—among countless instances of abuse—"broke her rib and damaged her hearing by smashing her head into the console of a car"."

[rayallen0]

@sumskater999 @mumubear123 so claims from wife after a divorce claiming her to be a crazy bitch. doesn't sound like a crazy bitch would accuse a man of beating her at all. tho he def isn't in the hall.

[sumskater999]

@rayallen0 In 2001 he was arrested, and pled guilty to beating her and had to attend anger management. And then he has the balls to cite "false domestic abuse claims"?

[rayallen0]

@sumskater999 so sounds like to me she was bringing up the old beatings as those still have weight in a divorce claim. If he quit drinking like it says. I most def wouldn't to much weight on reading a story as compared to meeting the guy. I don't really know much about Kidd other than he was friends with one of my all time fav players Payton. Is a terrible rapper and was probs the best PG i've ever seen play live (if we aren't counting Iverson) with Payton right behind. only 19 for the record.

[sumskater999]

@rayallen0 Do you really think his wife is SO creative as to say her hearing was damaged by him smashing her head through the car? And his record speaks for itself. Once a guy beats his wife, he's probably not going to change. That doesn't negate the fact that he DID beat his wife.

I consider Kidd a top 10 PG. He's a great player and from my hometown. Great player, and he's a great guy within the NBA. But you'd have to really love him to be able to see past his personal actions and forgive him.

[rayallen0]

@sumskater999 and for the record doesn't seem like you like J-Kidd a whole lot. If his wife is threatening with false domestic abuse charges when he already has a record of course he is scared. Our justice system doesn't give a fair chance to someone already charge and he is a public figure. If something comes out with his new wife Porschla then yes he is scum, but for now i will give a man who entertained me for countless years growing up the benefit of the doubt.

[sumskater999]

@rayallen0 I'd actually take Payton over Kidd, just because of his INCREDIBLE defense. I mean he's the ONLY true point guard in NBA history to win Defensive Player of the Year, an award usually reserved for big men who can block and rebound. The man could defend Michael Jordan better than anybody in the league, and was a greater scoring point guard as well. I think Kidd's strengths are in his 3, and creating space for his teammates, but he's almost unselfish to a fault sometimes.

[ChandlerPol]

@sumskater999 Payton may have been better than Kidd (they possessed different strengths with a similar net value), but have you read Charley Rosen's comments about Payton's supposed great defense on Jordan? Payton didn't even guard Jordan for most of the '96 Finals and he probably received that Defensive Player of the Year Award on hype and reputation as much as anything. Do you really think that he constituted a better defender that year than Pippen, Mutombo, Mourning, Olajuwon, et al.?

[sumskater999]

@ChandlerPol I don't trust ANYTHING Charley Rosen says. I mean he talks shit about Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone, PISTOL PETE, George Gervin, and Walt Bellamy. It's easy to criticize, tough to perform.

In Game 4 of those Finals, when Payton guarded him most of the game, Jordan had his lowest scoring in a Finals game EVER. Jordan was visibily frustrated when Payton guarded him, which you can see in the footage.

You can't be a 9x All-Defensive First Team on just hype. I think he deserved it.

[ChandlerPol]

@sumskater999 Rosen knows the game; in this case, he's not suggesting that those players weren't good, but that they prove overrated. While his criticism may be too severe at times, the gist of his comments often makes sense.

[ChandlerPol]

@sumskater999 I concur that Payton constituted an outstanding defensive guard, one of the best in the NBA for many years and worthy of a bunch of All-Defensive selections. I don't know if he deserved nine All-Defensive First Team spots, though; at some point, these honors usually become a matter of precedent and reputation as much as anything. For instance, was Payton really still one of the NBA's two best defensive guards at age thirty-three?

[sumskater999]

@ChandlerPol I would say that he was. In that 2001-02 season, I think he was still playing better defense than a guard like Kobe Bryant, who is also a great defensive player. By the time he got to the Lakers, he had obviously lost some of his fight.

[ChandlerPol]

@sumskater999 Regardless, my point was about the Defensive Player of the Year Award in 1996. The chances that even an outstanding defensive point guard constituted the most effective defender in a league with exceptional defensive forwards such as Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman and tremendous defensive centers like Mutombo, Mourning, Olajuwon, and David Robinson is dubious at best. To see Defensive Adjusted Plus-Minus data for those years would be very intriguing.

[sumskater999]

@ChandlerPol Well it's a lot easier for bigs to be great defenders. I think Payton made a HUGE defensive impact as a PG. He would close guys out and make it almost impossible to get a good shot off or even a solid pass, which ruins the whole flow of the other team since the PG is the play-maker. I think Pippen totally deserved one, because he would close out a whole team single-handedly, but he also camped in the paint a lot. I think it's a healthy debate, but Payton was right up there.

[ChandlerPol]

@sumskater999

I'll view Game Four of the 1996 Finals on Youtube at some point, although one game can obviously be something of an aberration.

[yoe91]

@gamoto96 loooooooooool

[ChandlerPol]

@gamoto96 "Half of Fame"?

A) Kidd isn't in the Hall of Fame yet, although he will be as soon as he's eligible (five years following his retirement).

B) What kind of a person he may or may not be will not constitute a reason why he makes the Hall of Fame.

C) Kidd is intelligent, but his former wife, whom he domestically abused, surely doesn't consider him "an incredible person."

[iheartnonamejane]

5 time All NBA First team, 4 time Defensive First team, 107 triple doubles. Best all around gaurd ever!!!!

[DOw0rkk]

@iheartnonamejane Rightttttttttttttttttttttttttt­tttttt

[masoguttah]

you definitely arent the only one and that man is AMAZING !!! (no homo) best point guard to touch the ball

[SuperBrev]

Kidd i love watching these i dont know why im the only one lol but ur amazing!! Would u mind replying since i never get RT? lol