This is YouTube, so one must expect the trolls to come along criticizing anyone who plays difficult pieces fast, even though this is extremely musical (not that that's even the real intention here).
If you think this is amazing check out the first movement of Alkan's Concerto for Colo Piano op. 39. Most people just notice the last movement and overlook the first movement. It's my favorite piece of music.
Exactly. Physical memory, photographic memory, and sensory memory, and information memory, and any combinations thereof, are constantly used in memorizing just about anything.
And not just with "this piece". But ANY piece. And not just "probably".
@vincentws03 Well actually, look at Alkan's metronome marking. This is faster than that. ;) But Hamelin's studio recording (which is also faster) is really good!
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Take a listen to the Jack Gibbons play Alkan (especially his Concerto). He is perhaps the only pianist able to bring out Alkan's intentions so well within the music. You must remember that Alkan's music is insanely hard to play, and it takes years for even an experinced pianist to be able to play the 'music' and go past the excrutiating and painful technical diffculties. Hamelin plays Alkan well, although I don't think his best interpretation is of this Concerto.
The way Hamelin plays it, where the notes are sort of spread evenly between the two hands, is easier. However, the way Gibbons plays it with hands crossed, was Alkan's original intention, and is ridiculously difficult. Not that either of them are easy.
I keep coming back in my mind to Lenny Bernstein's statement about the "inevitability" of Beethoven's masterpieces. That is, you simply can't imagine any other way they could go. This might be a yardstick for judging how one ranks the great composers. Can you imagine another way for Alkan's music to go? I can. But I can't with Schubert, or Chopin, or Mozart...and certainly not Bach. But it's all subjective, isn't it? And aren't we lucky enough to have ears??? We're awash in greatness.
and lucky enough to have an open forum to discuss all the wonderful things we hear. youtube is a great thing, is it not. your point is well taken and i remember hearing that bernstein quote and it is a good one. Best Wishes, brian
Alkan's musical ideas -- the major themes, if you will -- are almost always second-rate an contrived when compared to Chopin or even Schumann. Hey that's okay. We can't all be Chopin. But his ability to develop these themes, pit one against another, put them all at a high rolling boil is truly impressive. Honestly, is there anything in this piece that has anything at all on a level with something as mind-boggling as the simple opening of the Chopin Second Ballade? My humble opinion only.
I completely agree. It's the nature of the way he develops the themes- almost obsessively. Nothing is left out, he explores and exhausts all he possibilities. I think musically this is fascinating. Some people find this a 'process', and think it's boring, but for me, he always uses some clever structural means to keep the interest.
I don't think so at all, he just displays very strong themes. The only time i remember him exhausting every possibility was in Le Festin De Esope, and that was a set of variations that was still absolutely gorgeous in spite the restrictions he put on himself(there has been a popular method of composing for about 200 years where you purposefully restrict yourself). Have you heard his Super Flumina Babylonis? If you haven't, then tell me what you think of it after listening...
Cziffra11 and davealkan, you guys make great points. I wouldn't pit one against another in terms of composition either though, Chopin is himself, as is Alkan. I've spent many years fascinated and moved by both of their works, they have occasional similarities but their stark contrast in many areas make for an interesting debate about them personally and about the era of music to which they belong.
in some ways you are right. he doesn't have the same consistency melodic speaking as chopin, liszt or schumann. personally i think the second mvt of this piece is melodically breath-taking. there are some gorgeous moments in all three movements though, like the 'hymn-like' section of this movement and the secodary theme of the first movement. hell, the melody at 0:28 kicks ass and is so alkan. i also like the hebraic element in his melodies which could only be created by him.
when we compare alkan to chopin i feel a similar comparison to beethoven and schubert. like beethoven(i am not saying he is as good beethoven) its not the melody its what he does with the melody. the first mvt has to be one of the greatest examples of musical architecture in history. his imagination is absolutely prodigious.
your a jackass. alkan is recognized for composing difficult pieces. if yu wanna hear a catchy tune why dont you listen to michael jackson or elvis or something. difficulty is the key. chopin and schumann(schumann more than chopin) were more lyrical composers who focused on the emotional aspect of the music rather than full blown virtuosity. thats where liszt and alkan come in.
no i think alkan speaks deeper, there is a subtle edge to it, especially the preludes that seem to reflect exactly the soury tanginess of certain human emotions
Yes, I agree, but what I meant was that if given a choice, short proper practice always is better than long bad practice. But yeah both are better than one or none.
@callenishss it has something to do with it but lok at his interview he even remembers by heart his first piece he played! he has a photographic memory and sight reads like reading a newspaper
Can someone please tell me where I can get a list of concerts fror 2009 for MAH? I've been looking everwhere and can't find any. Is he playing in the UK at all?
He's playing the Schumann quintet, with the Takacs Quartet, at QEH (11th May) and St Georges, Bristol (13th May). He's also playing a programme including Alkan's solo concerto (same as the video) at Wigmore Hall later in the year, although that doesn't appear to be up on their website yet. Hopefully he will play at Cheltenham Music Festival again too. That's all I'm aware of...
A hundred times less prestige too. Clayderman makes his millions with his elevator and background music, yet cannot play a single major concerto, only excerpts.
What really amazes me is the fact that Hamelin et al. is a virtuoso genius all right, but so what? People like Richard Clayderman who play ACTUAL melodies and thus win big audiences make 1000times more money with 1000times less notes.
Can you actually remember and whistle to me one catchy tune throughout this whole fingerbusting fireworks ??? JMHO. NEVERMIND, the Japanese audience was impressed, so at least some people were made happy. Merry Christmas.
One who plays music for money needs his ass kicked. You play because you like it, and because you can understand the beauty in any simple and/or complex melody. Music doesn't make you live, no, you live for music when you play something like that. True passion comes from guys like Hamelin. Merry Christmas.
Ask yourself, would you rather be a castaway on a desert island with anyone playing all of Alkan or anyone playing as much as 10% of either Schubert or Schumann?
i agree,alkan was a bit of a nutcase apparently,it's a bit like the film 'rainman'a genius in mathematical problems but only machine-like i feel he had the same approach to music
Some other composers strike me similarly: Philip Glass, Colin Nancarrow, Sorabji, John Cage. Of pianists some are strange and robotic although with streaks of genius: Glenn Gould, John Ogdon, posssibly Hamelin. They seem to be able to play ANYTHING but does the music fill up one's comfort zone?
yes don't get me wrong i admire greatly these pianists but how hard did they work to get this virtuosic talent? they are naturally gifted for the most part,[hamelin sight reads like we read a newspaper]and it seems some composers you have mentioned composed purely for technical prowess unfortunately leaving 'music' on the back burner
Thanks for your reply. I left out Michelangeli who also seems like a cold chisel. But it's great fun experiencing these savants esp after one has spent a lifetime learning a few Chopin etudes like I have. I am WAAAY into piano performance at age 71 trying to make new discoveries like the Hamelin phenomenon.
nearenough3 take a listen to michelangeli's chaconne and you will see he was MUCH, MUCH more than a cold chisel. i can't think of a more passionate performance of any piece EVER. my favorite pianist will always be artur rubinstein but in this piece michelangeli blows him out of the water. please do listen to this performance. i promise you will be astounded. best wishes, brian
Rather than answer you question, I would like to draw you attention to some of Hamelin's recordings of conventional music, i.e, Haydn Sonatas. Therein lies the proof that Hamelin is much more than a technical titan...he puts his technique to the service of the music.
I purchased Hamelin's Haydn and enjoyed it. I haven't heard enough of him to render a definitive judgment. as to whether I am thrilled emotionally with his playing over, say, Rubinstein, Horowitz or other romantic interpreters I have been pleased with. I'm 71 and have had a lifetime of listening.
Well, I am 71 and started to seriously listen to records, go to concerts and study with a good teacher at around the age of 13-14, but took routine lesson starting at 6. I was simply mentioning my qualifications informally to back up my opinion(s). I find Alkan unsophisticated, somewhat crude, with some scattered good ideas -- not all bad, but not all good or a consummate genius.
I consider him more than a genius, his music may be crude to the average classical fan because it doesn't necessarily conform to certain norms in terms of structure. However Alkan had all the signs of a child prodigy, he was a brilliant pianist and a solfege master at a young age. His music is entirely unique and the events in his life shaped what you're hearing here. I think he's greatly misunderstood, but he is unequivocally one of the giants of piano literature.
I guess this is boiling down to taste. What I find peculiar is that very few performers have included Alkan in their repertoire. Believe me, I have 1000s of piano performances in my collection of recordings, and have gone to many concerts of famous pianists (not that any of this makes me an infallible expert), but I have encountered not one who has included Alkan's major work, not even a short piece as an encore. Yes, specialists like Hamelin play Alkan, but he is otherwise studiously ignored.
Alkan is ignored because his music is so hard to play. When you have pianists like Hamelin sweating over Alkan's Grande Sonata, it tells you that other pianists have no chance. You need to have an amazing technique to pull off some of Alkan's quasi-acrobatic pianistic stunts. This is not for the average concert pianist one sees on any given week at Carnegie.
I've had the privilege of seeing Mr. Hamelin at Places Des Arts here in Montreal, it was a phenomenal evening but he played two Beethoven sonatas and one of Debussy's books of preludes. I would have liked to see some Alkan! I don't blame people for neglecting Alkan or even Sorabji, their pieces are terribly hard to perform, and with that being said many of there more accessible works are cast into the shadows. I doubt his miniatures are too crude? How come no one cares to play them?
Hey there, I'm 100% sure he played Op. 109 No. 30 and I'm thinking the second one he played was No. 32 but I can't remember it's been quite a while and I'm not all that familiar with the Beethoven sonatas. It was my first hearing of No. 30 and it just stuck with me big time.
No disrespect to the late Ronald Smith, who has been as influential with Alkan as Casals was with Bach, but I think Hamelin's Concerto is the king of all versions out there, including those by Smith, Ogdon, Gibbons, Latimer, McCallum. The more difficult decision is which of the Hamelin do you choose. While the performance on Music and Arts recording is stupendous, I've never been a fan of the Yamaha tingy sound. It's a small sound for a very large piece. Anyone else agree?
I intensely dislike Hamelin's interpretation on the newer disk, so I would go for the M&A recording every time.
I think the sound quality on the older recording is more an issue of M&A's recording technique. I may even remember hearing they used just one microphone. Now I'm no expert but I presume that's no good way to set up a recording! I don't think Hamelin liked the piano or the acoustic, either...
ok guys i have a question. what do you think of ronald smith's legendary recording? i still love it. he has an enormous technique. how does anyone play comme le vent like that. i wish hamelin would record the first 3 etudes. i sense it would be scary.
I have to say I think Smith's recording of the Concerto is the all time greatest. Though he takes the Cadenza of the first movement, and the whole of the last movement below tempo, which now seems enough for most to write him off musically. I am stunned by this rendition of the last movement, but Hamelin never achieves that incredible large-scale musical shaping Smith achieves, in this, or in either commercial recording he's made.
yeah men...sorry for this..mi little brother just can't bear my listenings...this is not the first time he messes up with my computer,,,HE EVEN MESSES UP WITH MY FAVOURITE LIST... :( oh god...anyway enjoy the track!!!
thank you so much for your reply. i have always been a little dissatisfied with the earlier recording. of course technically it is peerless, but i don't like the sound on it. just too dry for my taste. he was playing on a yamaha on the old recording which to me i didnt care for. hyperion recordings always have a great, lush sound so i think i will buy it. once again many thanks thewayup.
no worries! hyperions recording technique is flawless, they are the best label around at the moment. also Hamelin's playing is better on this recording, the structure is a lot clearer, enjoy!
Most people seem to prefer the Hyperion recording. However, I think his M&A recording is far better musically. Even so, I prefer this to either of them. Listen to how he makes that RH melody sing at 7.10. Completely out of this world!
sorry - there is really something up with my browser - last comment was meant as a reply to Brian's question... i hit the 'reply' button but it didn't work...
do any of you guys own the new hamelin/alkan concerto on hyperion records? how does it compare to his older recording on music&arts. let me know if i should buy it. thanks
Before Hamelin there was no "supervirtuoso". All other pianists are in his shade. Grasp of keyboard, disarming power and accuracy, perfect, rounded sound and extreme tempo, a huge repertoire, it sounds like he has been born there earlier and has the headstart on the learning curve. There are more fine pianists around than ever. But Hamelin is something else - really, the only "Supervirtuoso" I can think of. The only guy who could meet with a Rachmaninoff or a Busoni and walk them over.
i think hamelin is phenomenal, but i slightly disagree Tom. i was thinking michelangeli had a lot of the same qualities(excluding the fact that he had a very limited repertoire). michelangeli's best performances(he could be rather uneven) display a complete command of every aspect of pianistic technique that makes my jaw drop. i definitely am not criticizing hamelin though. this is SUPER-HUMAN and frightening. AWESOME post Tompilk! thank you for this.
I can agree with you on Michelangeli - his recording of Brahms Ballade no 4 is heart-wrending, slow, mellow, full of the experience of life. So a pianist reputed for never missing a note can display emotion. But as you say he was a streaky one. Hamelin is consistent in all but the most, most extreme music (eg Scriabin no 6 where Glemser or Ashkenazy have speed and magic over drama). He's probably a sound, well-balanced guy and hence makes mincemeat of pretty much everything!
michelangeli's bach chaccone is almost beyond belief. same for his brahms-pagganini variations and gaspard de la nuit. the absolute summit of technique. and you are right Tom. his ballade no. 4 is stunning.
I think the second half of this video is simply unbelievable. Still don't agree with Hamelin's interpretation in many ways, but this is sublime stuff.
Oh my sweet jesus! How many in the history of piano could play like this? To say that this is simply scintillating and sensational would an insult. Gibbons and Ogdon are downright tame next to this. This is incomparable!!!
Sorry to disagree with 'auerod' and others here, but for me Hamelin completely misses the point of the music, playing it so much faster than Alkan's own metronome marking (100) that the beauty and passion of the music are missing (at least for me), particularly around 6:01. He also throws away the amazing climax at 7:35 and his speed is so fast he has to slow down at 6:45 when Alkan directs the music to speed up! Gibbons (in my opinion) brings much more depth than either Hamelin or Ogdon.
you could also mention ronald smith's recording. ronald smith and alkan are that rare match. a marriage of pianist and composer. there is more epic sweep in his recording and i prefer his tone and sense of structure.
obvioulessy this hamelin performance is jaw-dropping.
Absolutely, I agree with you brianCIM and should have mentioned his name: Ronald Smith's recordings are very special (including his first 'abridged' recording of the Alkan Concerto from c.1971? - I wish someone would upload THAT to YouTube as I no longer have my copy). I wish Ronald Smith had more fans on YouTube to compete with the almost constant adulation Hamelin receives. For me fast fingers are never a substitute for an interesting mind. I get very bored with this constant speed obsession.
What I find most amazing is how little credit Hamelin seems to receive after tackling such extreme repertoire, and playing it with brisk tempos and brilliant musicality. An incredible pianist.
holly mother of god, look at these jumps, at such a speed!!hamelin is one of the most accomplished pianists today, no doubt.this piece would even give good old liszt a hard time!
@MasterAzunai This isn’t fast, this is Hamelin-ized.
Rachmaninoffkid 2 weeks ago
This is YouTube, so one must expect the trolls to come along criticizing anyone who plays difficult pieces fast, even though this is extremely musical (not that that's even the real intention here).
MasterAzunai 1 month ago
great sportsman, awful musician! GYM rules
vyumishin 1 month ago
@vyumishin This music is inherently clamorous; Hamelin plays it perfectly. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
ryguillian 4 weeks ago
So he plays fast. So what. Always mezzo forte.
derekoppen 1 month ago
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Bad quality, you fool.
twooffour 2 weeks ago
he looks like a magician
TripleRhu 9 months ago
Hamelin is a god!
exelpaperclip123 11 months ago
Holy... how can anyone do a glissando on the black notes??
forgottenbooks 11 months ago
@forgottenbooks ...me?
TripleRhu 8 months ago
@forgottenbooks It's pretty easy lol...
kylelandry 7 months ago
@kylelandry yea now try playing it on a casio
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If you think this is amazing check out the first movement of Alkan's Concerto for Colo Piano op. 39. Most people just notice the last movement and overlook the first movement. It's my favorite piece of music.
youtube.com/watch?v=5hQ1D-6nZ7c
Hamelin is playing. Audio plus music
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classicalmusic29 1 year ago
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Well yea, that's kinda what helps you remember words, as well ;)
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So how about physical memory of your mouth, then? *rolleyes*
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Exactly. Physical memory, photographic memory, and sensory memory, and information memory, and any combinations thereof, are constantly used in memorizing just about anything.
And not just with "this piece". But ANY piece. And not just "probably".
twooffour 1 year ago
This is absolute craziness. Brilliant!
dtscott13 1 year ago
Alkan and Hamelin go well together..
12345qazx1 1 year ago
i would pay a lot of money to see him preform this live !
hjiuhfhrehui 1 year ago
I heard Hamelin play this in Tokyo. My first thought when the piece began was: he started too fast. He'll never be able to keep this up.
He did, brilliantly.
dcozy 1 year ago
2:48 - Retrogression!
pianoman1189 1 year ago
Alkan was AMAZING!!!!
justchilln2 1 year ago 3
@shechaiyah: Please define music; then would you please define an "imitation" of music?
pearsewl 2 years ago
2:00 to 2:30 is the coolest piano stuff ive heard in awhile
guitarplayer245 2 years ago 5
Please explain.
Frozentoes1 2 years ago
and there was me thinking stupidly that Liszt's pieces were hard to play
vincentws03 2 years ago 7
@vincentws03 Well actually, look at Alkan's metronome marking. This is faster than that. ;) But Hamelin's studio recording (which is also faster) is really good!
OrangeSodaKing 1 year ago
Liszt's pieces are hard to play... but Alkan's are harder. lol
ultracoolhomies 1 year ago 8
@shechaiyah You're wrong... just because it hasn't the quality of a Mozart concerto it doesn't makes it an ''imitation'' of music....
minasgekos 2 years ago
He's good.
ddsoco 2 years ago
I think Hamelin is the reencarnation of Franz Liszt, hehe.
mauriciostarosta 2 years ago 4
More likely Alkan.
pookiehohn 2 years ago 9
I think if you'll listen Enrico Pace,V.Lisitsa,M.Argerich, Arrau,Kissin and others,,,, playing Liszt's repertory you'll change opinion:-)
Ellinidara 2 years ago
Mediocre music is still mediocre music, notwithstanding performances by the greats you have herein listed.
Frozentoes1 2 years ago
If Hamelin was above both Liszt and Alkan, I would not be surprised.
TwelfthRoot2 2 years ago
amazing thing is that he plays it faster here than in the studio recording, yet still frighteningly accurate
Rlaw2222 2 years ago 4
looks like he is infact a robot! look at the join between his head and his neck... certainly not human! ; )
Cobrien51987 2 years ago
li mortacci sua che animale!!extraordinary musician
franzleone 2 years ago
Hamelin seems to be enjoying this.
talonboy5432 2 years ago
Better than Chuck Norris on steriods.
iAirtom 2 years ago 5
You lie
keenboy1310 2 years ago
Some one told me pianists are like Gods. I belive him now.
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Not all pianists are Gods, but Hamelin is one.
MrStrav81 1 month ago
Is it just me or he looks a bit uncomfortable playing this piece? By '97 he was in control.
fdaltrey 2 years ago
i dont think you can be considered as one of the greats until you can play alkan symphonies and etudes
anonymousQ45 2 years ago
i dont like comparing jack gibbons and hamelin. theyre both great and they are their own men so one is not better its just unique
anonymousQ45 2 years ago 5
holy cow. 10 minutes of those playing. O.O
if it was me my fingers are numb already.
i cant even press the key that fast!
holy cow. just holy cow...
0KissMeOrDie0 2 years ago
And that's just the final movement. My hand would have gone sour before making it though the first. :s
demosj 2 years ago
What I would do to see him perform this live...
OrangeSodaKing 2 years ago 8
Oh My GOD!!!
terryregnar 2 years ago 4
2:35
anonymousQ45 2 years ago 3
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I think Alkan pieces are more about the showcasing of artistic handmovements than some of the actual music.
Alkan loses a lot of his appeal if you're not watching the person playing.
This has probably been said before and I hate to point out the obvious, but this piece looks monsterously hard. >_>
MajesticFerret 2 years ago
Well...I don't think so.
True the sight is more of a "bonus".But if you want to see loads of hand movements check Liszt out...He's probably more of a showcase composer.
talonboy5432 2 years ago
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Take a listen to the Jack Gibbons play Alkan (especially his Concerto). He is perhaps the only pianist able to bring out Alkan's intentions so well within the music. You must remember that Alkan's music is insanely hard to play, and it takes years for even an experinced pianist to be able to play the 'music' and go past the excrutiating and painful technical diffculties. Hamelin plays Alkan well, although I don't think his best interpretation is of this Concerto.
thunder1909 2 years ago
the part which starts at 2:35 shows crossed hands in the score but how should i play it?
123eldest 2 years ago
The way Hamelin plays it, where the notes are sort of spread evenly between the two hands, is easier. However, the way Gibbons plays it with hands crossed, was Alkan's original intention, and is ridiculously difficult. Not that either of them are easy.
Maroonmug59 2 years ago
ok thanks, yeh crossing the hands is a bit harder.
123eldest 2 years ago
Hamelin is a great pianist - his style is perfect and his chops from the devil!!!
Bravo - not topping this - jpb
jpbracey 2 years ago 4
I keep coming back in my mind to Lenny Bernstein's statement about the "inevitability" of Beethoven's masterpieces. That is, you simply can't imagine any other way they could go. This might be a yardstick for judging how one ranks the great composers. Can you imagine another way for Alkan's music to go? I can. But I can't with Schubert, or Chopin, or Mozart...and certainly not Bach. But it's all subjective, isn't it? And aren't we lucky enough to have ears??? We're awash in greatness.
cziffra11 2 years ago
and lucky enough to have an open forum to discuss all the wonderful things we hear. youtube is a great thing, is it not. your point is well taken and i remember hearing that bernstein quote and it is a good one. Best Wishes, brian
brianCIM 2 years ago
Alkan's musical ideas -- the major themes, if you will -- are almost always second-rate an contrived when compared to Chopin or even Schumann. Hey that's okay. We can't all be Chopin. But his ability to develop these themes, pit one against another, put them all at a high rolling boil is truly impressive. Honestly, is there anything in this piece that has anything at all on a level with something as mind-boggling as the simple opening of the Chopin Second Ballade? My humble opinion only.
cziffra11 2 years ago
I completely agree. It's the nature of the way he develops the themes- almost obsessively. Nothing is left out, he explores and exhausts all he possibilities. I think musically this is fascinating. Some people find this a 'process', and think it's boring, but for me, he always uses some clever structural means to keep the interest.
davealkan 2 years ago
I don't think so at all, he just displays very strong themes. The only time i remember him exhausting every possibility was in Le Festin De Esope, and that was a set of variations that was still absolutely gorgeous in spite the restrictions he put on himself(there has been a popular method of composing for about 200 years where you purposefully restrict yourself). Have you heard his Super Flumina Babylonis? If you haven't, then tell me what you think of it after listening...
Lukecash12 2 years ago
Cziffra11 and davealkan, you guys make great points. I wouldn't pit one against another in terms of composition either though, Chopin is himself, as is Alkan. I've spent many years fascinated and moved by both of their works, they have occasional similarities but their stark contrast in many areas make for an interesting debate about them personally and about the era of music to which they belong.
KeithWhalen11 2 years ago
in some ways you are right. he doesn't have the same consistency melodic speaking as chopin, liszt or schumann. personally i think the second mvt of this piece is melodically breath-taking. there are some gorgeous moments in all three movements though, like the 'hymn-like' section of this movement and the secodary theme of the first movement. hell, the melody at 0:28 kicks ass and is so alkan. i also like the hebraic element in his melodies which could only be created by him.
brianCIM 2 years ago
when we compare alkan to chopin i feel a similar comparison to beethoven and schubert. like beethoven(i am not saying he is as good beethoven) its not the melody its what he does with the melody. the first mvt has to be one of the greatest examples of musical architecture in history. his imagination is absolutely prodigious.
brianCIM 2 years ago
your a jackass. alkan is recognized for composing difficult pieces. if yu wanna hear a catchy tune why dont you listen to michael jackson or elvis or something. difficulty is the key. chopin and schumann(schumann more than chopin) were more lyrical composers who focused on the emotional aspect of the music rather than full blown virtuosity. thats where liszt and alkan come in.
anonymousQ45 2 years ago 3
I don't think that composing lyrical music makes Chopin or Schumann more emotionally involving than Alkan.
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anonymousQ45 2 years ago
no i think alkan speaks deeper, there is a subtle edge to it, especially the preludes that seem to reflect exactly the soury tanginess of certain human emotions
callenishss 2 years ago 3
@Hopfensperger
chopin is the best of all. including beethoven, mozart and bach
sinancans 1 year ago
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alkan kicks ass :P
hjiuhfhrehui 11 months ago
agreed.
i wonder how many hours hamelin practiced daily, does anyone know
callenishss 2 years ago
9 to 10 hrs. but he has a specific agenda he follows.but a short concentrated practice,say 2 hours, is better than a long
seesion of incorrect practice
anonymousQ45 2 years ago 2
yea i kno what u mean
how do u find out how long a pianist practices?
for example cziffra, or horowitz, or argerich, or hofmann?
callenishss 2 years ago 2
documentaries. people who have met them ask questions as well and it gets aruond
anonymousQ45 2 years ago
It's not how long, but how concentrated and correctly you practice.
pookiehohn 2 years ago
i think it is how long do you practice concentraded and correctly.
not just one or the other
JSbeat 2 years ago
Yes, I agree, but what I meant was that if given a choice, short proper practice always is better than long bad practice. But yeah both are better than one or none.
pookiehohn 2 years ago
Its what Vince Lombardy said "practice doesn't make perfect - perfect practice makes perfect"
invention13 2 years ago 6
@invention13 and my instrument teacher used to say that perfection doesn't exists in this life
minasgekos 2 years ago
@callenishss it has something to do with it but lok at his interview he even remembers by heart his first piece he played! he has a photographic memory and sight reads like reading a newspaper
afertyus1000 4 months ago
Can someone please tell me where I can get a list of concerts fror 2009 for MAH? I've been looking everwhere and can't find any. Is he playing in the UK at all?
MountCashelTuck 3 years ago
He's playing the Schumann quintet, with the Takacs Quartet, at QEH (11th May) and St Georges, Bristol (13th May). He's also playing a programme including Alkan's solo concerto (same as the video) at Wigmore Hall later in the year, although that doesn't appear to be up on their website yet. Hopefully he will play at Cheltenham Music Festival again too. That's all I'm aware of...
tompilk 3 years ago
this is sincerely awesome....
such... i don't know why....
at least he has got quite a technique for playing
and as i like progressive metal y do like fast and hard to play things....
love alkan... first thing i listen from this composer
thanks for putting the video... i'd really really have the complete concert... anyone?.. or at least all parts for downloading... thanks.
necc0 3 years ago
I AM BACK.
ReturnOfTheStienway 3 years ago
Yeah that is something else. This is a performance that gets more impressive each time I hear it.
buildingblox 3 years ago
WOOOOOOOOOOOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
filippeo85 3 years ago
A hundred times less prestige too. Clayderman makes his millions with his elevator and background music, yet cannot play a single major concerto, only excerpts.
God, what a joke.
demosj 3 years ago 3
haha true!
but i'm sure hamelin earns good money too, have a look at where he plays and how many albums he records regarding the last 10 years.
btw, he improved right hands technics on 7:35 in comparison to the other vid containing the same mov. ^^
kage1369 3 years ago
What really amazes me is the fact that Hamelin et al. is a virtuoso genius all right, but so what? People like Richard Clayderman who play ACTUAL melodies and thus win big audiences make 1000times more money with 1000times less notes.
Can you actually remember and whistle to me one catchy tune throughout this whole fingerbusting fireworks ??? JMHO. NEVERMIND, the Japanese audience was impressed, so at least some people were made happy. Merry Christmas.
pianomike1 3 years ago
One who plays music for money needs his ass kicked. You play because you like it, and because you can understand the beauty in any simple and/or complex melody. Music doesn't make you live, no, you live for music when you play something like that. True passion comes from guys like Hamelin. Merry Christmas.
dryst420 3 years ago 6
I'm glad your foot doesn't get around much--or you would have kicked the asses of almost all of the greatest musicians who ever lived.
...now, if you had said "...who plays music ONLY for money" ...
But who can determine whether someone does something for PRECISELY one reason only?
GetMeThere1 3 years ago
all i have to say...i'm sorry your mind is too small to find melody in this.
enjoy your simple chords and catchy melodies, while the rest of us bask in paradise.
theompizzle 3 years ago 2
Yes, I am sure Clayderman is awfully proud to be able to play excerpts of Elvira Madigan, second mov.
And I am sure Hamelin will be proud to be compared to such genius as Clayderman!
...
Cause you are joking, right?
Pianisteny2k 3 years ago
It would depend on the performer, nearenough3. If it is Hamelin, bring on any composer.
Thanks to whoever caught this extroardinary performance on film!
demosj 3 years ago 3
Ask yourself, would you rather be a castaway on a desert island with anyone playing all of Alkan or anyone playing as much as 10% of either Schubert or Schumann?
Alkan tries so hard! Sigh.
nearenough3 3 years ago
All of Alkan, no question.
playadom 3 years ago
Chacun a son gout.
nearenough3 3 years ago
i agree,alkan was a bit of a nutcase apparently,it's a bit like the film 'rainman'a genius in mathematical problems but only machine-like i feel he had the same approach to music
afertyus1000 3 years ago
Some other composers strike me similarly: Philip Glass, Colin Nancarrow, Sorabji, John Cage. Of pianists some are strange and robotic although with streaks of genius: Glenn Gould, John Ogdon, posssibly Hamelin. They seem to be able to play ANYTHING but does the music fill up one's comfort zone?
nearenough3 3 years ago
yes don't get me wrong i admire greatly these pianists but how hard did they work to get this virtuosic talent? they are naturally gifted for the most part,[hamelin sight reads like we read a newspaper]and it seems some composers you have mentioned composed purely for technical prowess unfortunately leaving 'music' on the back burner
afertyus1000 3 years ago
Thanks for your reply. I left out Michelangeli who also seems like a cold chisel. But it's great fun experiencing these savants esp after one has spent a lifetime learning a few Chopin etudes like I have. I am WAAAY into piano performance at age 71 trying to make new discoveries like the Hamelin phenomenon.
nearenough3 3 years ago
nearenough3 take a listen to michelangeli's chaconne and you will see he was MUCH, MUCH more than a cold chisel. i can't think of a more passionate performance of any piece EVER. my favorite pianist will always be artur rubinstein but in this piece michelangeli blows him out of the water. please do listen to this performance. i promise you will be astounded. best wishes, brian
brianCIM 3 years ago
Rather than answer you question, I would like to draw you attention to some of Hamelin's recordings of conventional music, i.e, Haydn Sonatas. Therein lies the proof that Hamelin is much more than a technical titan...he puts his technique to the service of the music.
Frozentoes1 3 years ago 2
I purchased Hamelin's Haydn and enjoyed it. I haven't heard enough of him to render a definitive judgment. as to whether I am thrilled emotionally with his playing over, say, Rubinstein, Horowitz or other romantic interpreters I have been pleased with. I'm 71 and have had a lifetime of listening.
nearenough3 3 years ago
Having had a lifetime of listening does not mean anything. For all intents and purposes, you may have 1 year of listening 71 times over.
Frozentoes1 3 years ago
Well, I am 71 and started to seriously listen to records, go to concerts and study with a good teacher at around the age of 13-14, but took routine lesson starting at 6. I was simply mentioning my qualifications informally to back up my opinion(s). I find Alkan unsophisticated, somewhat crude, with some scattered good ideas -- not all bad, but not all good or a consummate genius.
nearenough3 3 years ago
I consider him more than a genius, his music may be crude to the average classical fan because it doesn't necessarily conform to certain norms in terms of structure. However Alkan had all the signs of a child prodigy, he was a brilliant pianist and a solfege master at a young age. His music is entirely unique and the events in his life shaped what you're hearing here. I think he's greatly misunderstood, but he is unequivocally one of the giants of piano literature.
KeithWhalen11 3 years ago
I guess this is boiling down to taste. What I find peculiar is that very few performers have included Alkan in their repertoire. Believe me, I have 1000s of piano performances in my collection of recordings, and have gone to many concerts of famous pianists (not that any of this makes me an infallible expert), but I have encountered not one who has included Alkan's major work, not even a short piece as an encore. Yes, specialists like Hamelin play Alkan, but he is otherwise studiously ignored.
nearenough3 3 years ago
Alkan is ignored because his music is so hard to play. When you have pianists like Hamelin sweating over Alkan's Grande Sonata, it tells you that other pianists have no chance. You need to have an amazing technique to pull off some of Alkan's quasi-acrobatic pianistic stunts. This is not for the average concert pianist one sees on any given week at Carnegie.
scriabinwasmydad 3 years ago
I've had the privilege of seeing Mr. Hamelin at Places Des Arts here in Montreal, it was a phenomenal evening but he played two Beethoven sonatas and one of Debussy's books of preludes. I would have liked to see some Alkan! I don't blame people for neglecting Alkan or even Sorabji, their pieces are terribly hard to perform, and with that being said many of there more accessible works are cast into the shadows. I doubt his miniatures are too crude? How come no one cares to play them?
KeithWhalen11 3 years ago
greetings keith. Which two beethoven sonatas did hamelin play I wasn't away he even played any?
imawsome13 2 years ago
Hey there, I'm 100% sure he played Op. 109 No. 30 and I'm thinking the second one he played was No. 32 but I can't remember it's been quite a while and I'm not all that familiar with the Beethoven sonatas. It was my first hearing of No. 30 and it just stuck with me big time.
KeithWhalen11 2 years ago
I respectfully ask you to go listen to his etude op. 35 no. 7 and then tell me Alkan is all show and no substance.
Thank you for your time.
Marcomedina 3 years ago
haha he can never get away without giving an encore after playing this
tonyshawk 3 years ago
Wow, this piece sounds like Schubert on Lisztian crack! Pass the joint!
Hamelin certainly does it justice. I love how he maintains perfect fluidity whilst attacking those awesome accents!
squishym 3 years ago
its cool XD
lonelyninlove 3 years ago
Hamelin, the GREATEST technician of our time!!!!!
steinwaykid 3 years ago 6
At the same time, you can't deny that he's also an artist
tonyshawk 3 years ago
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brianCIM 3 years ago
No disrespect to the late Ronald Smith, who has been as influential with Alkan as Casals was with Bach, but I think Hamelin's Concerto is the king of all versions out there, including those by Smith, Ogdon, Gibbons, Latimer, McCallum. The more difficult decision is which of the Hamelin do you choose. While the performance on Music and Arts recording is stupendous, I've never been a fan of the Yamaha tingy sound. It's a small sound for a very large piece. Anyone else agree?
auerod 3 years ago 5
I intensely dislike Hamelin's interpretation on the newer disk, so I would go for the M&A recording every time.
I think the sound quality on the older recording is more an issue of M&A's recording technique. I may even remember hearing they used just one microphone. Now I'm no expert but I presume that's no good way to set up a recording! I don't think Hamelin liked the piano or the acoustic, either...
I rather like Yamahas personally!
(Though I'm not Hamelin!)
davealkan 3 years ago
The Music and Arts recording was made on Oct 21st, 1991 - obviously, it was done with a stereo pair of microphones - Neumann KM140's
JoePatrych 10 months ago
ok guys i have a question. what do you think of ronald smith's legendary recording? i still love it. he has an enormous technique. how does anyone play comme le vent like that. i wish hamelin would record the first 3 etudes. i sense it would be scary.
brianCIM 3 years ago
I have to say I think Smith's recording of the Concerto is the all time greatest. Though he takes the Cadenza of the first movement, and the whole of the last movement below tempo, which now seems enough for most to write him off musically. I am stunned by this rendition of the last movement, but Hamelin never achieves that incredible large-scale musical shaping Smith achieves, in this, or in either commercial recording he's made.
davealkan 3 years ago
What playing!!!
mephyman 3 years ago
yeah men...sorry for this..mi little brother just can't bear my listenings...this is not the first time he messes up with my computer,,,HE EVEN MESSES UP WITH MY FAVOURITE LIST... :( oh god...anyway enjoy the track!!!
KOUTSIOU91 3 years ago
don't worry. post removed :)
tompilk 3 years ago
thanks :D
KOUTSIOU91 3 years ago
There is no words. no words... justt.... wow....that....hamelin lives on foreever!!!!!! hehehe ok jk
revilo244 3 years ago
the hyperion recording is much better
thewayup 3 years ago
thank you so much for your reply. i have always been a little dissatisfied with the earlier recording. of course technically it is peerless, but i don't like the sound on it. just too dry for my taste. he was playing on a yamaha on the old recording which to me i didnt care for. hyperion recordings always have a great, lush sound so i think i will buy it. once again many thanks thewayup.
brianCIM 3 years ago
no worries! hyperions recording technique is flawless, they are the best label around at the moment. also Hamelin's playing is better on this recording, the structure is a lot clearer, enjoy!
thewayup 3 years ago
Most people seem to prefer the Hyperion recording. However, I think his M&A recording is far better musically. Even so, I prefer this to either of them. Listen to how he makes that RH melody sing at 7.10. Completely out of this world!
davealkan 3 years ago
sorry - there is really something up with my browser - last comment was meant as a reply to Brian's question... i hit the 'reply' button but it didn't work...
davealkan 3 years ago
do any of you guys own the new hamelin/alkan concerto on hyperion records? how does it compare to his older recording on music&arts. let me know if i should buy it. thanks
brianCIM 3 years ago
Before Hamelin there was no "supervirtuoso". All other pianists are in his shade. Grasp of keyboard, disarming power and accuracy, perfect, rounded sound and extreme tempo, a huge repertoire, it sounds like he has been born there earlier and has the headstart on the learning curve. There are more fine pianists around than ever. But Hamelin is something else - really, the only "Supervirtuoso" I can think of. The only guy who could meet with a Rachmaninoff or a Busoni and walk them over.
TomOwen77 3 years ago 3
i think hamelin is phenomenal, but i slightly disagree Tom. i was thinking michelangeli had a lot of the same qualities(excluding the fact that he had a very limited repertoire). michelangeli's best performances(he could be rather uneven) display a complete command of every aspect of pianistic technique that makes my jaw drop. i definitely am not criticizing hamelin though. this is SUPER-HUMAN and frightening. AWESOME post Tompilk! thank you for this.
brianCIM 3 years ago
Bri
I can agree with you on Michelangeli - his recording of Brahms Ballade no 4 is heart-wrending, slow, mellow, full of the experience of life. So a pianist reputed for never missing a note can display emotion. But as you say he was a streaky one. Hamelin is consistent in all but the most, most extreme music (eg Scriabin no 6 where Glemser or Ashkenazy have speed and magic over drama). He's probably a sound, well-balanced guy and hence makes mincemeat of pretty much everything!
TomOwen77 3 years ago
michelangeli's bach chaccone is almost beyond belief. same for his brahms-pagganini variations and gaspard de la nuit. the absolute summit of technique. and you are right Tom. his ballade no. 4 is stunning.
brianCIM 3 years ago
Does anyone know how old he was when this video was taken?
davealkan 3 years ago
I would guess around 1992. That is when he made his first recording of this piece.
pianovideo 3 years ago
The video was a love concert the day before the recording session for Music and Arts - Oct 20, 1991
JoePatrych 10 months ago
His techniques are beyond my imagination.
I just lost my words. He is a supervirtuoso I think and I respect him as much as Heifetz a violinist who I think one of a virtuoso.
YukutoAmaji 3 years ago
Hey thanks for uploading these back up! I was looking for them!
stienwayz 3 years ago
At 8.08 How on earth does he keep going without slowing? This is simply incredible stuff, at the end of a 55 minute piece...
I have openly criticised Hamelin's Alkan interpretations but this is just... Wow!!!
davealkan 3 years ago
I think the second half of this video is simply unbelievable. Still don't agree with Hamelin's interpretation in many ways, but this is sublime stuff.
davealkan 3 years ago
Oh my sweet jesus! How many in the history of piano could play like this? To say that this is simply scintillating and sensational would an insult. Gibbons and Ogdon are downright tame next to this. This is incomparable!!!
auerod 3 years ago
Sorry to disagree with 'auerod' and others here, but for me Hamelin completely misses the point of the music, playing it so much faster than Alkan's own metronome marking (100) that the beauty and passion of the music are missing (at least for me), particularly around 6:01. He also throws away the amazing climax at 7:35 and his speed is so fast he has to slow down at 6:45 when Alkan directs the music to speed up! Gibbons (in my opinion) brings much more depth than either Hamelin or Ogdon.
josepharimathea 3 years ago
you could also mention ronald smith's recording. ronald smith and alkan are that rare match. a marriage of pianist and composer. there is more epic sweep in his recording and i prefer his tone and sense of structure.
obvioulessy this hamelin performance is jaw-dropping.
brianCIM 3 years ago
Absolutely, I agree with you brianCIM and should have mentioned his name: Ronald Smith's recordings are very special (including his first 'abridged' recording of the Alkan Concerto from c.1971? - I wish someone would upload THAT to YouTube as I no longer have my copy). I wish Ronald Smith had more fans on YouTube to compete with the almost constant adulation Hamelin receives. For me fast fingers are never a substitute for an interesting mind. I get very bored with this constant speed obsession.
josepharimathea 3 years ago
when was this filmed?
feifeskufus 3 years ago
What I find most amazing is how little credit Hamelin seems to receive after tackling such extreme repertoire, and playing it with brisk tempos and brilliant musicality. An incredible pianist.
Reaper978 3 years ago
i completely agree. phenominal musician. the devotion he has to the music is super-human.
tompilk 3 years ago
Amazin!!!!
teacherschoice147 3 years ago
holly mother of god, look at these jumps, at such a speed!!hamelin is one of the most accomplished pianists today, no doubt.this piece would even give good old liszt a hard time!
johnbaptistlulu 3 years ago
INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!
franzklavier 3 years ago