We could overcome our future challenges, but it would require a huge change in nearly every faucet of our lives. The average climate denier is far more concerned about the societal changes required to overcome climate change than any potential consequence of global warming.
@LakeRaptor It is ridiculously simple. The hard part is....do you have any U-235? I don't, and it is intensely hard to obtain weapons grade uranium, and most people dont have the centrifuges and sundry hardware to purify even the famous yellow cake. Of course there are minor considerations, like its high toxicity.
@LakeRaptor Thank you. It still shocks me sometimes when people are unaware of the plain facts staring them in the face. I was married twice, so I brought more children into the world than I would recommend, you cant tell ur 2nd wife, "sorry, no kids for you". In a selfish aspect, it ends up being helpful, since I became disabled in late 2005.
We are lucky to have a family farm with water well, 25 head of cattle, gas well, timber, good soil and draft horses so if the econ tanks, were covered.
@painxtreme It sounds like you've got a decent setup, but can you PROTECT what you have when the economy tanks? Without firepower, it'll be taken from your cold, dead hands.
@charlesburton95 Well, I wasn't going to detail defenses of course. Aside from the air, there is only one route of ingress, so our strategy is pretty simple.You travel a narrow drive w/ steep drops for 1/2 mile to get to the home and outbuildings. That should give you an idea of opening round protection. We have many Deer rifles, BAR mag 338 and Weatherbys. Not an Armory, but, Im not david koresh or anything either, just hope for the best, prepare for the worst. If Airpower came, last prayer
@painxtreme Im no fringe survivalist by any means, but in a mad max world, my family and friends will have oasis should they choose. The ideal would be to create a small community of people with essential skills— doctor, police or other security, carpenters, and people ready to work on whatever needs to be done. Of course, a larger group can lead to infighting problems, so the rules would have to be clear as glass, but when people have to work as one to survive, petty things get little time.
@painxtreme Glad to hear you do have some defenses set up. And yeah, if it came down to air-power, you're pretty much helpless unless you have an M2 lying around with a few thousand dollars worth of ammo.
@charlesburton95 Yup, at that point, its the "bunker in, or bug out" situation, and, especially if you have a fair sized group, bugging out is a poor option. Its the jump from community, to nomadic life, and that requires even more arms, and the knowledge of living off the land, migration cycles and the like, whats poisonous, or not? All this while evading conflict is a tall order. If airpower comes, I think you just "Last Stand" it, no refuge lasts forever. I do need to get a HAM radio.
@painxtreme No doubt there, but, if a situation arises like the one in the book "Patriots," where there are dozens of known survival groups out there, and you have some skills that they would find valuable, that would be another option. Still requires a lot of work to bug out if the group is large, but it's better than the last stand scenario (especially if you're dealing with small arms as your only arms).
@charlesburton95 I agree there, but it will require delicate diplomacy, cuz the degree of human trust will be nil, it will only be your worth to a group. Still I feel that at some point, in that scenario you reach the extent of your ability to resist, and I guess everyone has to ask themselves, "how long will i stand against an overwhelming force?" A thought occurred to me that if you had the ability to operate it, and could get one, an ocean worthy boat may be a hell of an option.
@painxtreme A boat would be a good idea if it were not for the following problems:
1.) Takes a lot of knowledge.
2.) It has to sit in the water
3.) Sitting in the water means eventual rot/rust
4.) Rot/rust are bad for your WROL boat :P
Other than that, the guerrilla tactics described in Patriots WOULD be an effective measure against a good deal of post-America armies, assuming they don't learn from Iraq/Afghanistan now.
@charlesburton95 I agree on those guerilla tactics. I also agree they can be sustained, as long as its well equipped and disciplined like nobodys business. I am certain they've learned a lot of new tricks, and are likely wary, but with that 1/2 mile long driveway, they may as well call to say they're coming, but further, I have a telescope that can see Saturn's moons. The last 3rd of that driveway is a dam to a 24 acre pond. Ravines obstruct any other ground ingress, without a ton of effort.
@painxtreme Of course when a society breaks down, you also have great splits in a military. Some will refuse to fire on their own people, some will form their own, reckless groups, some will do the right thing, and some will serve da Man. How something like that plays out on our scale is unknowable, but its one hell of a factor. On the ground, Im confident, like I said, Im not really detailing the defense fully. If an ethical group wanted, what I can offer more than anything is space, 185 acres.
@painxtreme That assumes a mad max scenario. As I said before, Im not in a bunker, grasping and kissing weapons. All are legally owned, get 2 deer a year, and pray society doesn't decay before I can Impart as much info to my offspring, and preferably if it indeed goes in the shitter within the next 50 yrs, I hope Im alive to guide them through a very very inconvenient life, they've known nothing close to. I grew up going to school where some kids didnt have shoes, families lived in vacant homes.
Do you really think that whether 'peak oil' is real or something fabricated that it would make any difference in the end? Take the blinders off and look around. There is much more than 'this' or 'that' but the underlying theme amongst them all: Glorification of the Self leads to Death.
Many oil-producing nations do not reveal their reservoir engineering field data and instead provide unaudited claims for their oil reserves. The numbers disclosed by some governments being manipulated for political reasons. Stating that you have worked for a "Major Oil" company makes you suspect. Also forget about oil...your bogus claims about water are wrong too...WATER like oil is being controlled - I have no agenda, what's yours? Google WATER RIGHTS
I do not burn fossil fuel and haven't for a few years. I never will ever again. You must do the same. When you buy something , you vote for it. I vote for sustainability.
The longest lasting civilizations didn't have continuous growth. Growth isn't necessary for quality of life. Egypt was relatively consistent a couple thousand years. Rome not so much, but the end came when its leaders became (extra) corrupt and grew too big for its britches. Don't think cavemen, think high tech Ewoks.
Do you really think that America would let this happen.. America has a neighbor to the North "Canada" who has oil, gas, 200k lakes, farm land, hydro potential, gold, diamonds, ect. Its like having money in the bank.. America, if put in a corner would just come up and take what it needs.. Canada the 51st State.. Highly probable if this was to happen... All great dynasties became larger when they needed too.. Don't kid yourself a sleeping giant would be awakened..
@doombuster2011 youre dumb, Canada will use up all of its resources before the US will even consider invaiding a rich & developed country. The US is already in debt and theyre going to have to pay one way or another.
Canada has too many friends and the US has too many enemies, retard, do the math
tell this shit, 2 the pakis that come 2 canada..there are few jobs left..and they say we need more ppl...34million is fucking enough...dumb ass morons..CANADA WILL BE A POOR NATION IN 15 YRS...
Oh ya and I love where the one guy with the mustache basically says we should go back to living like Fing cavemen and he thinks its going to be better that way! Ya piss off!
When i seen this it freak me out but yes i do beleave this very much n we must all get ready 4 the ruff times ahead n be stong like our past familys-bloodlines have done since mankind first started!.
The crash of economic and social systems is clearly related to the price of oil. The closest we've come to this sort of collapse was in 2008, today as I write this oil is at 113$/bl. Already the talk is that our economy's recovery is being crippled, although there is a collective denial that the rise in energy prices has nothing to do with production not keeping up with demand. This is it, we're in the undulating plateau of peak oil, let's just see what this summer holds.
I feel sorry for the robot guy. Everybody else was talking about real problems like water and oil depletion and the instability of the financial system. How did he get invited to the show talking about Terminator stuff?
In my opinion, the population chart of the world is the scariest thing. If you look at it, then it's obvious that mankind's numbers are due for a BIG correction.
@ptevans01 Do you have any scientific background in anything to do with population sustainability, the energy industry, or earth science?
If not I dont think your in any position to say population numbers scare you since any non scientist really isnt equipped with the knowledge to determine when theres a problem.
@anonymous243124 lol trust me, when you know what "exponential growth" is, you don't need to know too much about science to figure out if there's a problem....
@NikBeta524 Not true at all, a vast supply of food in this world is wasted by excessive practices, if rectified wed have plenty of food for the population. Plus your thinking too conventionally, we only need a stop gap measure for alot of problems like over population energy scarcity water/food production until better technologies and new frontiers open up
The end game is maintaining civilization until fusion power is productive and we can begin colonizing other worlds which really isnt far off
@anonymous243124 LOL it is REALLY far off if you ask me, fusion power maybe, but the colonizing of other worlds... yeah, you realize how much needs to be done for that and how long it will take? We haven't even had any humans land on Mars yet (coming shortly I know) but it will take centuries before we reach another habitable planet. Idealistic thinking if you ask me. And food is not the only concern, but providing for the other needs for our population as it continues to grow beyond limitations
@anonymous243124 Population Sustainability? Really. Population is the last thing we need to grow or sustain. If you understood exponential growth geometrical growth, and doubling points, you would and should be acutely concerned about population numbers.
I'm not trying to bag on you, there are plain facts that even a layman can research and understand well enough to grasp, discounting the willfully ignorant, that we are on the precipice of not being able to say "piss off" and survive very long.
Mahalo. I've watched the program twice and even got wife to watch it. Thought about these issues 40+ yrs ago, while I was getting a philosophy degree. I became a traveling carpenter for the next 20+ yrs. I moved back to the island of Kauai 9 yrs ago. Fortunately, Kauai is one of the wettest spots on the face of the Earth and plenty of room for gardens. I wasn't here when hurricane Inki hit, but people helped each other. I've been collecting survival stuff. Aloha.
John Cronin alerting us to a global shortage of clean water, the most dangerous issue facing us... while driving around a city in a f*cking SUV.
tcorourke2007 1 month ago
i think nathan tell's the truth and it's realy happening
havol12 2 months ago
Ah, they do. Alright.
eldrewto55 3 months ago
What the hell are they doing, arguing which guy has the "worst" disaster to warn about? They can all be addressed.
eldrewto55 3 months ago
We could overcome our future challenges, but it would require a huge change in nearly every faucet of our lives. The average climate denier is far more concerned about the societal changes required to overcome climate change than any potential consequence of global warming.
Matt3471 3 months ago
@LakeRaptor It is ridiculously simple. The hard part is....do you have any U-235? I don't, and it is intensely hard to obtain weapons grade uranium, and most people dont have the centrifuges and sundry hardware to purify even the famous yellow cake. Of course there are minor considerations, like its high toxicity.
painxtreme 3 months ago
First is on a boat
Second is on a car
The third is on a train
Fourth is on a plane
Fifth on a bus
ahhh fuck it. US again is the center of the universe.
Static172 3 months ago
Prophets Of Boom
swankrecords 3 months ago
@LakeRaptor Thank you. It still shocks me sometimes when people are unaware of the plain facts staring them in the face. I was married twice, so I brought more children into the world than I would recommend, you cant tell ur 2nd wife, "sorry, no kids for you". In a selfish aspect, it ends up being helpful, since I became disabled in late 2005.
We are lucky to have a family farm with water well, 25 head of cattle, gas well, timber, good soil and draft horses so if the econ tanks, were covered.
painxtreme 4 months ago
@painxtreme It sounds like you've got a decent setup, but can you PROTECT what you have when the economy tanks? Without firepower, it'll be taken from your cold, dead hands.
charlesburton95 3 months ago
@charlesburton95 Well, I wasn't going to detail defenses of course. Aside from the air, there is only one route of ingress, so our strategy is pretty simple.You travel a narrow drive w/ steep drops for 1/2 mile to get to the home and outbuildings. That should give you an idea of opening round protection. We have many Deer rifles, BAR mag 338 and Weatherbys. Not an Armory, but, Im not david koresh or anything either, just hope for the best, prepare for the worst. If Airpower came, last prayer
painxtreme 3 months ago
@painxtreme Im no fringe survivalist by any means, but in a mad max world, my family and friends will have oasis should they choose. The ideal would be to create a small community of people with essential skills— doctor, police or other security, carpenters, and people ready to work on whatever needs to be done. Of course, a larger group can lead to infighting problems, so the rules would have to be clear as glass, but when people have to work as one to survive, petty things get little time.
painxtreme 3 months ago
@painxtreme Glad to hear you do have some defenses set up. And yeah, if it came down to air-power, you're pretty much helpless unless you have an M2 lying around with a few thousand dollars worth of ammo.
charlesburton95 3 months ago
@charlesburton95 Yup, at that point, its the "bunker in, or bug out" situation, and, especially if you have a fair sized group, bugging out is a poor option. Its the jump from community, to nomadic life, and that requires even more arms, and the knowledge of living off the land, migration cycles and the like, whats poisonous, or not? All this while evading conflict is a tall order. If airpower comes, I think you just "Last Stand" it, no refuge lasts forever. I do need to get a HAM radio.
painxtreme 3 months ago
@painxtreme No doubt there, but, if a situation arises like the one in the book "Patriots," where there are dozens of known survival groups out there, and you have some skills that they would find valuable, that would be another option. Still requires a lot of work to bug out if the group is large, but it's better than the last stand scenario (especially if you're dealing with small arms as your only arms).
charlesburton95 3 months ago
@charlesburton95 I agree there, but it will require delicate diplomacy, cuz the degree of human trust will be nil, it will only be your worth to a group. Still I feel that at some point, in that scenario you reach the extent of your ability to resist, and I guess everyone has to ask themselves, "how long will i stand against an overwhelming force?" A thought occurred to me that if you had the ability to operate it, and could get one, an ocean worthy boat may be a hell of an option.
painxtreme 3 months ago
@painxtreme A boat would be a good idea if it were not for the following problems:
1.) Takes a lot of knowledge.
2.) It has to sit in the water
3.) Sitting in the water means eventual rot/rust
4.) Rot/rust are bad for your WROL boat :P
Other than that, the guerrilla tactics described in Patriots WOULD be an effective measure against a good deal of post-America armies, assuming they don't learn from Iraq/Afghanistan now.
charlesburton95 3 months ago
@charlesburton95 I agree on those guerilla tactics. I also agree they can be sustained, as long as its well equipped and disciplined like nobodys business. I am certain they've learned a lot of new tricks, and are likely wary, but with that 1/2 mile long driveway, they may as well call to say they're coming, but further, I have a telescope that can see Saturn's moons. The last 3rd of that driveway is a dam to a 24 acre pond. Ravines obstruct any other ground ingress, without a ton of effort.
painxtreme 3 months ago
@painxtreme Lol, sounds like you're pretty well squared away. I wish I could say that I was, but at least I know it can be done :P
charlesburton95 3 months ago
@painxtreme Of course when a society breaks down, you also have great splits in a military. Some will refuse to fire on their own people, some will form their own, reckless groups, some will do the right thing, and some will serve da Man. How something like that plays out on our scale is unknowable, but its one hell of a factor. On the ground, Im confident, like I said, Im not really detailing the defense fully. If an ethical group wanted, what I can offer more than anything is space, 185 acres.
painxtreme 3 months ago
@painxtreme That assumes a mad max scenario. As I said before, Im not in a bunker, grasping and kissing weapons. All are legally owned, get 2 deer a year, and pray society doesn't decay before I can Impart as much info to my offspring, and preferably if it indeed goes in the shitter within the next 50 yrs, I hope Im alive to guide them through a very very inconvenient life, they've known nothing close to. I grew up going to school where some kids didnt have shoes, families lived in vacant homes.
painxtreme 3 months ago
people WILL sit back and WATCH
fortherichbytherich 5 months ago
@fortherichbytherich And the vast majority of them are gonna die!
charlesburton95 3 months ago
To the commenters below:
Do you really think that whether 'peak oil' is real or something fabricated that it would make any difference in the end? Take the blinders off and look around. There is much more than 'this' or 'that' but the underlying theme amongst them all: Glorification of the Self leads to Death.
chRm17 5 months ago
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WayofLiving1 4 months ago
The phenomenon is called reserves growth.
Many oil-producing nations do not reveal their reservoir engineering field data and instead provide unaudited claims for their oil reserves. The numbers disclosed by some governments being manipulated for political reasons. Stating that you have worked for a "Major Oil" company makes you suspect. Also forget about oil...your bogus claims about water are wrong too...WATER like oil is being controlled - I have no agenda, what's yours? Google WATER RIGHTS
MiltonPenis 5 months ago
There is overwhelming evidence that 'peak oil' scenarios are fabricated to raise the cost of fossil fuels.
Google Peak Oil Scam or Peak Oil Hoax
MiltonPenis 6 months ago
I do not burn fossil fuel and haven't for a few years. I never will ever again. You must do the same. When you buy something , you vote for it. I vote for sustainability.
TheSolarmike 7 months ago
The longest lasting civilizations didn't have continuous growth. Growth isn't necessary for quality of life. Egypt was relatively consistent a couple thousand years. Rome not so much, but the end came when its leaders became (extra) corrupt and grew too big for its britches. Don't think cavemen, think high tech Ewoks.
basilleonardo 8 months ago
Do you really think that America would let this happen.. America has a neighbor to the North "Canada" who has oil, gas, 200k lakes, farm land, hydro potential, gold, diamonds, ect. Its like having money in the bank.. America, if put in a corner would just come up and take what it needs.. Canada the 51st State.. Highly probable if this was to happen... All great dynasties became larger when they needed too.. Don't kid yourself a sleeping giant would be awakened..
doombuster2011 8 months ago
@doombuster2011 youre dumb, Canada will use up all of its resources before the US will even consider invaiding a rich & developed country. The US is already in debt and theyre going to have to pay one way or another.
Canada has too many friends and the US has too many enemies, retard, do the math
WakeTheBeast666 8 months ago
tell this shit, 2 the pakis that come 2 canada..there are few jobs left..and they say we need more ppl...34million is fucking enough...dumb ass morons..CANADA WILL BE A POOR NATION IN 15 YRS...
chadberry75 8 months ago
The narrator's voice is spooky
kenmha 8 months ago
@kenmha haha yeah but it's awesome!
LambofGod21689 8 months ago
Thumbs up for Master Gnost-Dural
SDRIVERS17 8 months ago
Oh ya and I love where the one guy with the mustache basically says we should go back to living like Fing cavemen and he thinks its going to be better that way! Ya piss off!
anonymous243124 8 months ago
@anonymous243124 I think the entire documentary was a waste of your time.
painxtreme 5 months ago
When i seen this it freak me out but yes i do beleave this very much n we must all get ready 4 the ruff times ahead n be stong like our past familys-bloodlines have done since mankind first started!.
vTHExUNKNOWENv 8 months ago
all 5 of these things make us decend into hell
2049571 8 months ago
this dude tells' the truth
deadpooln12 9 months ago
my geometry teacher is making me do a project on this, how it relates to geometry i will never know
falconcutie2014 10 months ago
The crash of economic and social systems is clearly related to the price of oil. The closest we've come to this sort of collapse was in 2008, today as I write this oil is at 113$/bl. Already the talk is that our economy's recovery is being crippled, although there is a collective denial that the rise in energy prices has nothing to do with production not keeping up with demand. This is it, we're in the undulating plateau of peak oil, let's just see what this summer holds.
dqgates 10 months ago
oh.... and there no alternative to OIL ppllleeeeaaaaasssseee
cornelissen181181 10 months ago
I love the video but why is it missing the whole first 15 minutes or so where Michael Ruppert is talking about peak oil?
seekurbliss 11 months ago
I feel sorry for the robot guy. Everybody else was talking about real problems like water and oil depletion and the instability of the financial system. How did he get invited to the show talking about Terminator stuff?
Tribute2the80s 11 months ago
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WayofLiving1 11 months ago
In my opinion, the population chart of the world is the scariest thing. If you look at it, then it's obvious that mankind's numbers are due for a BIG correction.
ptevans01 11 months ago 11
@ptevans01 Do you have any scientific background in anything to do with population sustainability, the energy industry, or earth science?
If not I dont think your in any position to say population numbers scare you since any non scientist really isnt equipped with the knowledge to determine when theres a problem.
anonymous243124 8 months ago
@anonymous243124 lol trust me, when you know what "exponential growth" is, you don't need to know too much about science to figure out if there's a problem....
NikBeta524 8 months ago
@NikBeta524 Not true at all, a vast supply of food in this world is wasted by excessive practices, if rectified wed have plenty of food for the population. Plus your thinking too conventionally, we only need a stop gap measure for alot of problems like over population energy scarcity water/food production until better technologies and new frontiers open up
The end game is maintaining civilization until fusion power is productive and we can begin colonizing other worlds which really isnt far off
anonymous243124 8 months ago
@anonymous243124 LOL it is REALLY far off if you ask me, fusion power maybe, but the colonizing of other worlds... yeah, you realize how much needs to be done for that and how long it will take? We haven't even had any humans land on Mars yet (coming shortly I know) but it will take centuries before we reach another habitable planet. Idealistic thinking if you ask me. And food is not the only concern, but providing for the other needs for our population as it continues to grow beyond limitations
NikBeta524 8 months ago
@anonymous243124 Population Sustainability? Really. Population is the last thing we need to grow or sustain. If you understood exponential growth geometrical growth, and doubling points, you would and should be acutely concerned about population numbers.
I'm not trying to bag on you, there are plain facts that even a layman can research and understand well enough to grasp, discounting the willfully ignorant, that we are on the precipice of not being able to say "piss off" and survive very long.
painxtreme 5 months ago
Thanks for posting this
Floridaprepper 11 months ago
this is so fuckin true this nathan dude is for real 'l mean is happening now
deadpooln12 1 year ago
Mahalo. I've watched the program twice and even got wife to watch it. Thought about these issues 40+ yrs ago, while I was getting a philosophy degree. I became a traveling carpenter for the next 20+ yrs. I moved back to the island of Kauai 9 yrs ago. Fortunately, Kauai is one of the wettest spots on the face of the Earth and plenty of room for gardens. I wasn't here when hurricane Inki hit, but people helped each other. I've been collecting survival stuff. Aloha.
kauaiphil 1 year ago
THanks for upload.
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superdleg 1 year ago
when did this air??
baynative 1 year ago
@baynative Wednesday 01/05/2011 History Channel 09:00 p.m. - 10:30 p.m. PST
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