@JoeBLOG5 yea and the racist UKIP also supports AV its not really proportional, infact far from it, if in 2010 the UK had AV the labour party would have won the most seats yet it would have had less of the votes.... is that fairer voting? no AV+top up (STV) would be fair, or perhaps run off or even full blown party list PR, or just MMP top up like germany,did you know in germany that parties win the same percentile of seats in the house as their national vote? wich would explain alliance 90.
@Enerjee Despite all that, I still think it's a step forward from what we've got now. You could make hundreds of videos like that about the FPTP system.
@luvpole69 - most Labour MPs and councillors oppose PR and AV too. Some Tories support PR and AV. Of course the Tories oppose block voting. It's undemocratic.
@luvpole69 - the problem with most PR systems is that no one actually wins. Two or more parties have to join together and make compromises and usually end up implementing a programme that no one actually voted for anyway. That's what's just happened in the UK with the Hung Parliament.
@luvpole69 - how can you vote for PR when there's not a referendum on PR? France has tried PR twice since 1945 and both times they've had to change it. What France has now is the "Two Party Run Off" system. A lot of parties stand for election and the two with the most votes fight in another election a week later. The one which gets more than 50% then wins. It's a variation of FPTP that maybe the UK should consider.
@luvpole69 - if you're a EU citizen you can go and live more than 24 countries which have as many types of PR where a government has to listen. Most of those countries are in the Euro despite most of their voters wishing not to be. Most of those countries are managed not through the electorate determining who the government is, but by their politicians doing deals with each other resulting a government no one's actually voted for.
@prigg88 Well you would expect Canada to have a similar system to the UK for Historical reason plus our Queen is their Queen too you know being part of the Commonwealth and all.
@hannah60000 yeah, but Scotland, Wales & NI use a different system to elect their members of parliament/assemblies. We're trying to change the system for Westminster as well.
@prigg88 So what! Yes I'm aware of the AV dilemma and the last I checked Westminster wasn't ruled by what goes on in the rest of the UK what's the biggy each countries problem but the AV vote affects the whole if the UK - thats why the fuss over it being on the same day as the Scottish general elections. Plus in NI and Scotland it is used as one of many other systems to elect individuals into power i.e. for council election not sure if it used when choosing Parliamentary members?
@hannah60000 but here in Australia, a fellow member of the commonwealth, we've use thes system that they're voting on whether to convert to on May 6th for the last 92 years
@prigg88 - "In UK the only govts that have had a majority of voters voting for them are coalitions (pre or post election)".
I think that up until the early 1960s most of the UK's governments were elected on more than 50% of the popular vote. It's since then that neither Labour nor the Conservatives have gained a percentage majority of votes.
@Enerjee wrong. The only governments formed with a majority of the popular vote was in 1931 & 1935 & 2010. In 1931 & 1935 they were coalitions formed before the election and in 2010, it was after the election.
In and around 1950s & 1960s according to the election stats on parliaments site, Labour & Conservatives got very close to 50% but never quite got over that post. its reduced dramatically in the last 30 years.
@prigg88 - Thanks for correcting me with the facts.
If the governments of 1931 and 1935 were coalitions formed BEFORE the election and each received more than 50% of the vote then there's a case for forming Coaltions for the electorate to vote on rather than them being cobbled together in a back room AFTER we've voted. I think that's what happens in Sweden (don't they have a left bloc and right bloc of parties?)
At least with that PR system there's a clear notion of what government will do.
No Ontario majority government has been elected by a majority of voters since 1937. Because it takes only one more vote than all the other candidates to win a riding. For example, in Gatineau, in the federal election of 2008, 70% of all voters did not vote for the wining candidate, and he still got elected. Impress your teacher further: read up on Mixed Member Proportional and Single Transferable Vote on Wikipedia.
The first past the post system IS MORE DEMOCRATIC only if MPs do their jobs properly (to represent people) because technically in a democracy the leader and his cabinet don't matter because the Commons who vote in or out legislation are the people who matter. The LibDems want voting reform but I strongly disagree because then we will go to a US presidential system and that is much less democratic.
We need BY-Yearly MP elections
5 yearly leadership elections. GET RID OF PARTY POLITICS.
Several aspects of Canadian politics come directly from the system we have in the UK, and one of those is first past the post, i agree with 893160007 and absolutly hate it and think it is an unfair way of voting, hopefully we will go ahead with the plan to change to proportional representation which I believe is much more fair.
@MrSquidman007 It may well be changed soon, as early indicators have shown there's a chance that after the next election in May we may have a hung parliament.
first past the post is bullshit out of the 11 provinces (and yukon) that have parties as well as the federal gov in each of their most recent elections the winning party got more percent of seats then votes in all of them and in 8 (3/4) of them the winner had less then 50% of the votes but got a majority
@jianing23 - strange logic. "Disreputable right-wingers" are a reason to vote "Yes"? It'd be more responsible to examine FPTP vs AV and then decide. It's a fact that most AV supporters don't really support it - they just want to stimulate some kind of change in order to achieve their main goal of Proportional Representation. That's dishonest. We're having this referendum because of two parties in a Coalition who've had to compromise their beliefs resulting in something no one really wants.
this video is the thing that is going to make me pass my exam
napdrinkdance 8 months ago
ACG PARNELL!
OblitaRape 9 months ago
A good explanation for a terrible system
sync908913 9 months ago 9
@JoeBLOG5 yea and the racist UKIP also supports AV its not really proportional, infact far from it, if in 2010 the UK had AV the labour party would have won the most seats yet it would have had less of the votes.... is that fairer voting? no AV+top up (STV) would be fair, or perhaps run off or even full blown party list PR, or just MMP top up like germany,did you know in germany that parties win the same percentile of seats in the house as their national vote? wich would explain alliance 90.
Gardenstatehomecomin 10 months ago
Watch "The Dirty Little Secret about the Alternative Vote System" on You Tube for an example of why AV is faulty.
Enerjee 10 months ago
@Enerjee Despite all that, I still think it's a step forward from what we've got now. You could make hundreds of videos like that about the FPTP system.
KristofskiKabuki 10 months ago
@luvpole69 - most Labour MPs and councillors oppose PR and AV too. Some Tories support PR and AV. Of course the Tories oppose block voting. It's undemocratic.
Enerjee 10 months ago
@luvpole69 - the problem with most PR systems is that no one actually wins. Two or more parties have to join together and make compromises and usually end up implementing a programme that no one actually voted for anyway. That's what's just happened in the UK with the Hung Parliament.
Enerjee 10 months ago
@luvpole69 - how can you vote for PR when there's not a referendum on PR? France has tried PR twice since 1945 and both times they've had to change it. What France has now is the "Two Party Run Off" system. A lot of parties stand for election and the two with the most votes fight in another election a week later. The one which gets more than 50% then wins. It's a variation of FPTP that maybe the UK should consider.
Enerjee 10 months ago
@luvpole69 - if you're a EU citizen you can go and live more than 24 countries which have as many types of PR where a government has to listen. Most of those countries are in the Euro despite most of their voters wishing not to be. Most of those countries are managed not through the electorate determining who the government is, but by their politicians doing deals with each other resulting a government no one's actually voted for.
Enerjee 10 months ago
it works for britian and we should never get rid of it
TheEnglishPatriot66 10 months ago
here in Australia we use preferential voting for our lower house and the Inclusive Gregory System for our senate.
irishgodfatherchris 11 months ago
This is how we do it in the UK as well but instead of MPPs they are just MPs & instead of ridings they're called constituencies.
ooi how many coalitions have you had in Ontario? (i.e two or more parties joining together to form the government)
In UK the only govts that have had a majority of voters voting for them are coalitions (pre or post election)
prigg88 1 year ago
@prigg88 Well you would expect Canada to have a similar system to the UK for Historical reason plus our Queen is their Queen too you know being part of the Commonwealth and all.
hannah60000 1 year ago
@hannah60000 yeah, but Scotland, Wales & NI use a different system to elect their members of parliament/assemblies. We're trying to change the system for Westminster as well.
prigg88 1 year ago
@prigg88 So what! Yes I'm aware of the AV dilemma and the last I checked Westminster wasn't ruled by what goes on in the rest of the UK what's the biggy each countries problem but the AV vote affects the whole if the UK - thats why the fuss over it being on the same day as the Scottish general elections. Plus in NI and Scotland it is used as one of many other systems to elect individuals into power i.e. for council election not sure if it used when choosing Parliamentary members?
hannah60000 1 year ago
@hannah60000 but here in Australia, a fellow member of the commonwealth, we've use thes system that they're voting on whether to convert to on May 6th for the last 92 years
irishgodfatherchris 10 months ago
@prigg88 - "In UK the only govts that have had a majority of voters voting for them are coalitions (pre or post election)".
I think that up until the early 1960s most of the UK's governments were elected on more than 50% of the popular vote. It's since then that neither Labour nor the Conservatives have gained a percentage majority of votes.
Enerjee 10 months ago
@Enerjee wrong. The only governments formed with a majority of the popular vote was in 1931 & 1935 & 2010. In 1931 & 1935 they were coalitions formed before the election and in 2010, it was after the election.
In and around 1950s & 1960s according to the election stats on parliaments site, Labour & Conservatives got very close to 50% but never quite got over that post. its reduced dramatically in the last 30 years.
prigg88 10 months ago
@prigg88 - Thanks for correcting me with the facts.
If the governments of 1931 and 1935 were coalitions formed BEFORE the election and each received more than 50% of the vote then there's a case for forming Coaltions for the electorate to vote on rather than them being cobbled together in a back room AFTER we've voted. I think that's what happens in Sweden (don't they have a left bloc and right bloc of parties?)
At least with that PR system there's a clear notion of what government will do.
Enerjee 10 months ago
I wish my professor just made me watch videos like this instead of reading a boring textbook. Thanks! This really helped!
Sinackular 1 year ago
No Ontario majority government has been elected by a majority of voters since 1937. Because it takes only one more vote than all the other candidates to win a riding. For example, in Gatineau, in the federal election of 2008, 70% of all voters did not vote for the wining candidate, and he still got elected. Impress your teacher further: read up on Mixed Member Proportional and Single Transferable Vote on Wikipedia.
cyclingzealot 1 year ago
thank you so much! I have my exams this afternoon and this is gonna help me big time^^
franchementjesaispas 1 year ago
if you put the Transcribe Audio on at 0:08 it says Cocaine :) lol
inferno3232 1 year ago
this is helping me with my socials provincial thanks!!
pepperbunny14 1 year ago
Proportional representation ftw.
ssojjoss 1 year ago
The first past the post system IS MORE DEMOCRATIC only if MPs do their jobs properly (to represent people) because technically in a democracy the leader and his cabinet don't matter because the Commons who vote in or out legislation are the people who matter. The LibDems want voting reform but I strongly disagree because then we will go to a US presidential system and that is much less democratic.
We need BY-Yearly MP elections
5 yearly leadership elections. GET RID OF PARTY POLITICS.
alex471996 1 year ago
Several aspects of Canadian politics come directly from the system we have in the UK, and one of those is first past the post, i agree with 893160007 and absolutly hate it and think it is an unfair way of voting, hopefully we will go ahead with the plan to change to proportional representation which I believe is much more fair.
MrSquidman007 2 years ago
@MrSquidman007 It may well be changed soon, as early indicators have shown there's a chance that after the next election in May we may have a hung parliament.
FreeInquisition 1 year ago
first past the post is bullshit out of the 11 provinces (and yukon) that have parties as well as the federal gov in each of their most recent elections the winning party got more percent of seats then votes in all of them and in 8 (3/4) of them the winner had less then 50% of the votes but got a majority
893160007 2 years ago
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frankcandid1 2 years ago
THANKS! THAT REALLLY HELPED!
jianing23 2 years ago 9
@jianing23 - strange logic. "Disreputable right-wingers" are a reason to vote "Yes"? It'd be more responsible to examine FPTP vs AV and then decide. It's a fact that most AV supporters don't really support it - they just want to stimulate some kind of change in order to achieve their main goal of Proportional Representation. That's dishonest. We're having this referendum because of two parties in a Coalition who've had to compromise their beliefs resulting in something no one really wants.
Enerjee 10 months ago