Kagawa Student Kumite

[mirageF1AZ]

OSSU! that was brilliant.

[poperock7]

you going dowwwnnnn!!

[Guilimaheide]

n intendi

[DontstopxLT]

you need to be focuced to do this

[osensei2987]

Karatekas saying that they can use their art as self defense is like a bowler saying that he can use bowling to ward of an attacker!

[sehnsucht77]

@osensei2987 : your point?

[bleepokemon22]

el lapiz es estupido, tengo un ipod en mi corazon soy estupido pero mi elephante es estupido... muy bein, muy bein... Gracias

[DantasDesignervideos]

perfeito! chute com a perna da frente...

[99MALO]

MAGNIFIQUE

[Jeano0san]

Hayai...

[Immoinvest]

カタカナ - SUPER!

[Havers666]

That was fast, you wouldnt be able to blink if you were fighting these dudes. Awesome control as well

[becs5120]

@Havers666 The last thing you need in real life is....guess what....control

And.....if you train with self control....guess what you use in times of complete stress....you guessed it....."self control"...well that will work great in the street.....please !!!

[salstream]

ahojati, thankyou my friend for your comment, i have trained with kagawa sensei for many years... im only saying what he told me, and found out he was correct, has for a higher grade at 7th dan jka im not so bothered just yet. best wishes..

[doom13131]

I think i missed something in this what happened

[IamDaReAlSeaN]

sensei kagawa is an absolutely mind-blowing karateka... i was graded by him for my green belt a whule bck (i'm now a 2nd purple belt...):D his speed is incredible when you see it in real life!

[Malbec0]

Its was actually a kizame mawashi-geri.

[salstream]

kagawa sensei brilliant... but until you have trained with kato sensei you haven,t trained with no one....

[CTuxford]

I do understand it, but I dismiss the first attack as deficient. If you want to be an effective fighter you cannot rely on the opponent bull-rushing you. What was worse here was the rush came with a single technique. Ippon kumite is ok for traditional MAs, but it doesn't work for anything but a grading. I know. I used to train in this type of MA and boxers and muay thai trained sparring partners had me pegged time and again until I learned the basics of actual fighting.

[CTuxford]

Straight-line stuff that's not my bag. It's purely ippon kumite, not knock-down-out. I didn't like how the guy ran into the side kick either. None of the attacks appeared, in my opinion, to carry enough 'oomph'. Very flicky and all for points (ippon). Just my opinion.

[R0CKY44]

Tell the guy with the black eye it was just for points. If that punch hadn't been pulled with expert timing, someone would have come away with a serious injury. Don't mistake expert timing and distance with "flicky" points fighting.

[osensei2987]

I've accepted the fact that karate is an antiquated style of combat that was developed during a period when hand-to-hand fighting was not understood in the same way we interpret it today. Great for art, mind, body and spirit. However, the fighter must study more modern methods if they intend to step in the ring my friend. JKA style kumite like this looks more like fencing with fists and feet! Knock-down competitions, on the other hand, are sloppy and devoid of technique!

[osensei2987]

Fact is, once someone yells hajime 90% of karate disappears! I've yet to go to a competition of any type that did not degenerate into a fancing match or an all out brawl or tough man competition. Honestly ...! Does anyone think they will ever see and age uke, shuto uke, morote uke or any other karate technique in a kumite? Just punches and kicks and absolutely no defense what-so-ever. This is just kickboxing being glorified as being "traditional". LOL! Want a tip? Take up boxing.

[sehnsucht77]

@osensei2987 : i dare you to take a full jodan hit to the face from Kagawa and still talk smack.

[osensei2987]

I doubt that Kagawa could hit me or anyone else in the face with the exception of another dumb ass karate student that's willing to run straight into his fist and scream out "HEYYYYY"! The object as I see it is to hit and not get hit. There is no control of distance and no fighting strategy in this BS on exhibit here. A real fighter would control the distance and methodically work his way inside while taking down his opponents defense. Not just rush in like a fucking moron!

[maofas]

@osensei2987 Hey look, not a single video of you sparring on your channel despite all that talk about being able to easily beat up a famous karateka. Wow, I'm totally shocked! Really!

[osensei2987]

@maofas Hey man don't mind me! Just keep running face first into ppls fists with your hands on your hip! Because that's great karate! ROFLMAO! See how long you can get away with that before the brain damage renders you mentally retarded!

[maofas]

@osensei2987 Let me know when you upload videos of yourself sparring (excuse me if I don't hold my breath). Till then you're just another keyboard warrior for me to laugh at.

[Drivenbyimpulses]

@osensei2987 Coming from someone who appareantly never trained at a proper karate school.

[osensei2987]

@Drivenbyimpulses I guess not. Because apparently, "proper" karate schools teach students to rush head long into an attack with their hands guarding their hips. LOL! It really does not take a "Master" to smack a moron in the face that's holding his hands low does it?

[Drivenbyimpulses]

@osensei2987 Thank you for supporting my previous statement. You just proved me right.

[osensei2987]

@Drivenbyimpulses Glad to oblige. Remember to keep those hands low. Because the rest of us need to be entertained by more videos of ppl like yourself getting knocked the fuck out. As for me, I'll keep my guard held high, thank you very much. No matter what Shihan says! LOL!

[mizmera]

@osensei2987 - Funny thing what you say and true. It is because for some or the other reason the people don't get trained to use it in kumite. But... it actually works wonders in kumite. A simple ude uke followed by an empi with the same arm works wonders, and takes 90% of the people i fought off guard. You have to want to use it. You have to wait for the correct time. So those blocks really work. Problem... people dont train them in kumite :(

[maofas]

@R0CKY44 Exactly. I'm sure these guy's free-spar too, this is just a drill to develop that sense of 1-decisive blow.



[IEKUKATAKA]

@R0CKY44 I have sad news for you, chief. If you work the process backwards and find out what karate is by objective study rather than being told by another or foolishly believing an advertisement or a window sign, you would find the JKA is a sport and not true karate at all. I know this is sheer lunacy to someone in a bastion of the JKA, but, I am a JKA life member, trained in Japan and did the process backwards only to find: Guess what? It is a sport and falls woefully short of true karate.

[R0CKY44]

@IEKUKATAKA I have sad news for you too, chief. This is not JKA footage, this is JKS footage.

Have a nice day, osu!

[IEKUKATAKA]

@R0CKY44 JKA became JKS because of a political split. If you have seen one you have seen all and they all are a sport.

[muchosmuertos]

@IEKUKATAKA Hello again. When are you going to post some 'true karate'? Or at least put up a link to some? I'm intrigued! Can you comment on any particular style - I presume you are talking about Okinawan karate? Everything stems from Chinese martial arts anyway so would you say kung fu is truer than your 'true karate'?

[IEKUKATAKA]

@muchosmuertos Karate is Okinawan just as Cricked is from the UK. Cricket with a tennis racquet and a walnut is not Cricket at all no matter what expert says it is. Gutting traditional karate does not leave karate it leaves a corrupted activity. That is what the JKA did and the JKS is a splinter group. China is not the origin of everything, that is sheer ignorance. The American indians had an unarmed fighting style, did it come from China? No! The Okinawans did get involved in some Chinese see 2

[IEKUKATAKA]

@muchosmuertos 2. arts, but, the dealt with them on their own terms and did not try to keep them as original to China, they integrated them with their own (yes, they had their own system, "ti") art. You seem to have an issue with my pointing out common historical knowledge. You deal with that, I can't assist you if you are subjective. If you knew of karate and it's history and had practiced true karate you would not be asking me to guide you. Morio Higaonna, George Andrews, Goshi Yamaguchi. see3

[IEKUKATAKA]

@muchosmuertos 3 The long and short of it in terms you MAY be able to relate to. Cricket is a defined sport and defined in the UK no matter what other influence it may have had during it's development. Karate was defined in Okinawa as a martial art, if YOU or anyone else does not practice that art, IT IS NOT KARATE. Get over it, move forward stop deluding yourself.

[muchosmuertos]

@IEKUKATAKA 1. Well... from what I understand 'karate' is the Japanese name given to their style of martial arts which has its roots in Okinawan martial arts (te, tode, okinawa-te) themselves rooted in Chinese martial arts (taoist and buddhist monks then later kung-fu).

[muchosmuertos]

@IEKUKATAKA 2. I might be able to agree that Japanese karate tends further towards the arts than the martial compared to okinawa-te but to dismiss it solely as a sport with no relavant martial techniques seems a bit absurd. Personally I like all martial-arts and respect practicioner's choice.

[Bassai]

@muchosmuertos I already debated with this guy, and because of his limited knowledge of Shotokan history and its' separate derivatives, he thinks the JKA is the only source of "corrupted Karate". The funny thing about him is, he calls himself a JKA life member, but a membership is void after four or five years of none practice in the dojo. He also decries the JKA as a bunch of liars, yet he uses his vast experience with the JKA as a "badge" of authenticity, naming himself a member for life.

[IEKUKATAKA]

@Bassai You are as full of crap as a Christmas turkey. Life membership can be attained, I have one, others do and it is associated with a life registry. My mention of membership is to allow the reader to know I have been there and done that for quite a long time and THAT is my source of authority. You criticize me for my message which casts doubt on an activity you like. You aren't intelligent enough and you are stubborn enough to realize that a person with my experience may be correct.

[Bassai]

@IEKUKATAKA The liar here, is you actually. Because you are laying judgement on a group without presenting the other integral factors of the bigger picture. You exclude the other reasons why the JKA teaches "crap" Karate (because they were taught "crap" Karate), the social factors that leant to the formation of their philosophies, plus the cultural factors that prevents them from learning the Okinawan way. You are only providing a "half" truth, which makes you just as bad as the JKA.

[IEKUKATAKA]

@Bassai YouTube is a limiting venue. There are cultural, social and political elements involved in the JKA history and their identity as a proponent of Budo. I can hardly present all but have presented enough to get the objective to think. You may think me a liar, that is your choice. You have essentially supported my case and it will stimulate others to think, that is the most I can ask of anyone. Thanks! What you say or think of me and my motives is clear but ineffective.

[Bassai]

@muchosmuertos His demeanor online also reflects his limited understanding Funakoshi's philosophy in Karate, as he continues to harass and degrade others, simply because they follow mainstream Karate. Any honorable martial artists knows to respect others' opinions, whether he agrees to it or not, as long as it doesn't harm society. He's never posted any videos of his 'true Karate' either, yet continuously criticizes JKA teachers, etc. What does that tell you about his character?

[DunxMeister]

@Bassai everything you said can be applied to a good yaga instructor. People lose sight of the fact Karate was a fighting art

[IEKUKATAKA]

@Bassai Respect should not be given to deceit. If deceit does not harm a society nothing does and if the delusion of Okinawas cultural gem, karate, is not dishonorable, nothing is. My knowledge of Shotokan history goes back 47 years, does yours? It includes personal instruction from two JKA founders, does yours? I could post this guy in a video and alter his appearance, say it is me and you would call it trash simply because I have stepped on your baby. I have trained longer than you have lived.

[Bassai]

@IEKUKATAKA JKA doesn't teach deceit. It teaches what it thinks is Karate, just as the other associations that teach their versions of Karate that don't reflect Okinawan philosophy either (e.g. Sport styles like Wado-Ryu, Shito-Ryu, etc). If what you say is true, can you explain to me why the other non-JKA schools Shotokan schools (only linked through Funakoshi lineage ) resemble Okinawan Karate, like Egami's Shotokai, Okano's Kenko-Juku and Oshima's SKA? The "deceipt" started with Funakoshi.

[IEKUKATAKA]

@Bassai And you know how? You have already admitted you aren't JKA associated, how do you know? Get someone to explain the phenomenon "tatemae" to you. Ever stop to think that long hours of relating with JKA teachers reveals things that reference books, videos etc do not reveal. Regarding your allegation about Funakoshi, what you said was that at least three of Funakoshi's students have somehow attained an Okinawan style and Funakoshi was uninvolved. Rubbish!!.

[Bassai]

@IEKUKATAKA I left the JKA just recently, been with Mori since 2001, before that trained with Sasaki in the Philippines in 1993. Talked to European and Japanese students, they all say JKA training is the same, except for college teams. I have had my fill with JKA, but I still respect them for what they do for their own Karate, despite knowing its limitations. That was a typo, in regards with Funakoshi's students, and I said it before, NONE of his students teach Okinawan style, Shorin or Shorei.

[Bassai]

@IEKUKATAKA With your "vast" knowledge, you should be able to show me which of the surviving school of the original Shotokan maintains the exact same Okinawan approach you hold as sacred as The Holy Scripture. BTW, there are JKA teachers like have been practicing "distorted" Karate way longer than your 47 years, so does seniority equal enlightenment (as is the jist of your argument)? In this case, you would have to agree, being such a hard-lined Okinawan purist, that it certainly does not.

[IEKUKATAKA]

@Bassai My first teacher, Oshima and a cadre of older teachers in Japan, unassociated with the JKA. 47 years of seniority practicing the same thing reveals more of the same. 20 odd years of practicing JKA activity, personal interaction with a JKA founder and numerous prominent JKA teachers, then looking deeply into Okinawan history, JKA history, making it a priority to study Okinawan karate for 27 more years offers a lot of insight, enlightenment is your word, experience is mine.

[Bassai]

@IEKUKATAKA Since you mentioned Nishiyama discredited the translation of Funakoshi's Kyohan, why did you take his word for it, when your first teacher was Oshima, the same translator who has just the as egit lineage as Nishiyama does. Now your testimony makes me wonder. I still have those messages you sent me, want me to show them to you?

[Bassai]

@IEKUKATAKA You slao don't explain the reason why Wado-Ryu, Shindo-Jinen-Ryu (Ryobukai), both Shotokan opffshoots and are older than the JKA, train in SPORT KARATE as well. As I said, you only show what the naive Shotokan student what you want them to know, so as to prove your point. Again, point at Funakoshi and point at the Japanese "budo" sport culture!! Be fair in your argument, don't hide the truth to suit your own purposes!

[Bassai]

@IEKUKATAKA So if you want to brand the JKA as liars, brand all the surviving Shotokan offshoots as well. We both know, none of them practice Okinawan Karate at all. So what is your fruitless animosity towards JKA really about? It's anger born from a feeling of being deceived, that you weren't the super-fighting machine you thought the JKA had promised to make you, after years of paying money and relentlessly drilling yourself in altered kata and unrealistic bunkai.

[IEKUKATAKA]

@Bassai I have clearly labeled the JKA and it's lineages as practitioners of pseudo karate. My "animosity" is your term and you use it to punish the messenger as you have all along, it is your way of retribution for my speaking out. Warning and caveat are my motives and born of the reality that huge numbers of people spend lots of time and money only to find they have been short changed. I find that very disappointing and true and simply want the objective to know, the subjective can't know.

[Bassai]

@IEKUKATAKA I am just following your same train of thought: when I see a liar, I call him out. You are no different from the same "liars", since you don't exhibit both arguments, only your own. You try to take advantage of people who have little knowledge of Shotokan history and use that to serve your misguided anger. Why don't you explain that the JKA, SKA as well as Kenko-Juku practice Karate far removed from its Okinawan roots?

[Bassai]

@IEKUKATAKA But that's what the history of Shotokan is all about: What one master thought was best to reinvent the original and teach that interpretation. That's what Funakoshi did, so blame him for the distortion. Okinawan Karate scholars like Patrick McCarthy and Shoshin Nagamine wrote about Funakoshi's flaw in their book: Tales of Okinawa's Great Masters. Even McCarthy himself admits his way is a modern interpretion (Kory Uchiunadi) of what he had accumulated from his experience in Okinawa.

[IEKUKATAKA]

@Bassai Funakoshi was criticized, Higaonna is criticized etc. Funakoshi taught my first teacher. My first teacher taught differently than the latter day JKA, it is the first indicator I had that something was amiss. The second was joining another founder in America, the third was Guju Ryu, other Okinawan styles, history, deep study etc. And, whether you realize it or not, all you have done in your discourse is support my very point, the JKA does not practice karate.

[Bassai]

@IEKUKATAKA That's another thing I don't get, you know Oshima's Karate is just as lacking as JKA, you pulled up NIshiyama's discrediting comment about him so as to throw away the Kyohan philosophies of Funakoshi I mentioned in one argument, you also know SKA runs annual point-based tournaments just like the JKA. SKA isn't cheap either, $120.00/mont, the same as the JKA. A club under IOGKF, Morio HIgaonna's organization, charges $120 in as well, so to criticize McCarthy is ridiculous.

[IEKUKATAKA]

@Bassai The syllabus is limited to three technique types largely and sports oriented proven by the constant education on tournament administration and rules. It simply does not fit the karate model. And, do not think for one second they don't know it, they do and it is ok to them and it is deceitful. McCarthy? I wouldn't train with him, as knowledgable as he is, he has a "karate business" and a huge, unnecessary base of contrived memory work. Karate simply does not require all of that.

[Bassai]

@IEKUKATAKA Since your first teacher is Oshima, then you should also know his style of Shotokan practices point tournament too! And you'll also find videos of their tournaments here on You Tube too! I know their organization well and have practiced with them (SKA, NY), and tell you the truth, they weren't any better than the JKA, and many of their students are lost in trying to figure out kata. Their methods don't even resemble the original Shorin either, with low stances, point fighting, etc..

[Bassai]

@IEKUKATAKA See what I mean? You're only pointing at the JKA, not the whole Shotokan picture. To say you wouldn't train with McCarthy doesn't make sense either: I thought you were jitsu minded, not "DO" minded. He teaches effective Okinawan jitsu with a modern approach. Though slightly different than the original, he still teaches traditional kata, both from Shorin and Goju, as well as how its effectively applied. His affiliated dojo rates in NJ are about the same with Shorei-Kan NY.

[becs5120]

@IEKUKATAKA

So true.....wonderful post !!!!

[IEKUKATAKA]

@becs5120 Thanks!  You must be one of the few willing to study on your own.

[brinnonvallere]

@IEKUKATAKA I can see that point of view actually. Anyone who changed the 'old ways" or martial art from a Master Instructor with respected name/title...Funokoshi did exactly this, combined a hard style with soft style and Im positive that some of the esseance of each was lost.

[IEKUKATAKA]

@brinnonvallere Karate has an identity given by the Okinawans. Combining two styles does not void the identity and it may result in a wider base of knowledge. Eliminating large segments of the identity and changing the martial focus into a sport changes the identity and invalidates it. I can batter people all day with a baseball bat but it does not make baseball a martial art. Having three poorly conceived karate like techniques in a tournament sport is not karate. The issue is one of truth

[IEKUKATAKA]

@brinnonvallere and many who have invested time, money and trust in fraudulent activities refuse to even look for themselves, an intelligent thing to do when doubt is cast on your future investment even if you don't want to acknowledge the doubt. Smart people, objective people will look further in order to settle the issue for themselves. Others, like Bassai, an ignorant, subjective kid, simply attack the messenger in order to diffuse the message. A lie believed by millions is still a lie.

[sehnsucht77]

@CTuxford : clearly you've never competed at the International level in the JKA. These "mere" ippon style flicky techniques you downplay can inflict serious damage. I've practiced with the JKA for over 20 years (and competed for over 10) and have received black eyes, a dislocated shoulder, a broken nose and dislocated my jaw from punches and kicks. Not enough oomph? tell that to the folks that get knocked out cold at every competition I've ever attended!

[CTuxford]

@sehnsucht77 Fair statement! If you've suffered these injuries then there is no discounting the technques. I just find it weird to see the hands down so low. I keep mine up as I don't have much trust in my speed to sucker the guy in by leaving targets open.

[sitiberg]

@CTuxford it takes more skill to hit someone without hurting them its called control whats the point of people knocking each other out

[CTuxford]

@sitiberg But then you have to have a partner who you trust WILL call matte when you do score, rather than strike you back late with a BS cheap-shot. It is quite a balancing game which isn't easy to consistently apply across a MA.

[IEKUKATAKA]

@sitiberg Controls butt!! Look at the slomo and you will see his technique was in the neck, an invalid target.

[sochinn]

muy bueno....

[IamDaReAlSeaN]

jesus man! i'm a purple belt and i wouldn't be that stupid as to go directly into kagawa sensei's line of fire like that. but i have trained and graded with both sensei enoeda and sensei kagawa and they're very fast , very powerful n really quick thinkers. they'll have they're fists planted in your head before you even get a hint of wanting to attack!YAY SHOTOKAN!!!

[spann0r]

That's not Kagawa defending, it's Nagaki. Kagawa is the guy standing at the back.

[brebytom]

Very nice!!

[NormaStitz]

Ouch! You're not supposed to block with you head.

I keep trying to remember that in my own training :)

[Claudiu71]

Kagawa Sensei is the Teacher from Teikyo University in Japan. At the moment in Shotokan the strongest after Takushoku University. He is after:

Nishiyama Sensei

Nakayama Sensei

Kanazawa Sensei

Kwasoe Sensei

the Tescher with the finest Shotokan Techniques.

Osu Sensei!