instead of judging Pumpkin, just think about how her small dream of being adopted was taken away from her by sayuri -her best friend- who's the most desired geisha and the most successful.
Strangely, I usually stop watching the movie at this point. The romance of the ending is great, but it just doesn't appeal as much as the geisha world.
Can people just calm the fuck down, please? Asian faces and features tend to be more subtle and small, and Western features are sharp, prominent and big (think of Asians' cheekbones and jawlines compared to those of the Westerns, as well as eyes, and noses). We are recognized by the distinct cultural faces we are born with, and that's all there is to this racism shmacism shenanigan.
For a second it sounded like she was saying : "Rice, work, rice, work" and I was like: "What does rice have to do with this!? You're a kimono maker! D:s "
Just read she actually stayed with a Kimono maker, making parachutes, mixing dies and picking plants for colours, rather than working with rice in a group, she was the only one the family took in
@kijie This was at that time when US troops were stationed in Japan to disarm the imperial Japanese government. The Japanese Army had done some horrible shit in Asia so the US imposed it's way of constitution to Japan including Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution which prohibited it's country from allowing to have standing military. During Cold War, the US set up military bases in Japan to keep communist at bay - such as the Korean War. So now, the US is responsible for the defense of Japan.
i always said american were proud nosey ppl who were hidding behind democracy ...but after reading the comments i find myself swaying ...and one person sums it up a country can only be fully influenced if it gives up and allows itself to be infiltrated BUT then again what gives any super power towant tocome in a "take over" ...the world sickens me im buying a private island
In the book she had sex with an old Japanese man in this movie they changed him into an American. ... Also kind of ridiculous that they made pre-war Japan to look like it was all cherry blossoms and parties .... Not historically accurate at all. At least it's pretty.
@Coco2133458 Hatsumomo started the fire, not Pumpkin. When Hatsumomo threw the lamp oil all over the hallway, she nearly hit Pumpkin with oil and glass and because of the fire, Pumpkin was forced to go back downstairs
Okay okay people lets not forget that is was the JAPANESE who bombed US for NO REASON first. so yes we bombed them but it was their fault in the first place, we were staying out of the war until then so yeah. dont get me wrong i love the japanese and their culture but they almost literally asked for it.
That's war babe. No soldier on any side of any country is exemt from that. No country in general for that matter. In the end, were all %#$#@$ up, each in our own special way.
@KazeTenno no, im not comparing it, im not saying the USA was right to do that, but then again, neither was japan, and japan had no reason to bomb the US to begin with
@CarlyxCrash Japan didn't attack New York, or Los Angeles, they attacked Pearl Harbor, a naval base!! And no, the things change if the person wears uniform or regular clothes. They're military, they're prepared to give their life to protect their country, but the two bombs didn't kill military, they killed innocent people. (Sorry for my bad English)
@KazeTenno excuse me? pearl harbor IS a military base but hawaii is a tiny little island whose attack actually reached civilians. u cannot and will never justify pearl harbor's attack because japan wasnt defending itself, japan simply attacked the US because of the emperors pride that they were becoming a strong nation, the US has done evil things in the past but they played the victims in this case, and the japan attack was basically a suckerpunch
@whisperingtribute yes but we wouldnt have bombed civilians in the first place if they hadnt invloved us in the war. they brought us into it and they paid the price for it.
Why we can't we just enjoy the movie without people making rude comments about Americans! It's offending. Everyone can go on and on how they hate American's, but if it's another nationally its wrong.
I hate how nice they made Nobu in the movie. They also didn't talk about the General becoming her danna and how outraged that made Nobu. Every time Sayuri spoke to him in the book, he was constantly insulting her and getting angry. They made him entirely too kind and personable.
@RustedHatter That sounds racist. Asian women are beautiful, but Western women are too. That fact that people gave you thumbs up just reinforces the fact that people cannot say a woman of a certain race is beautiful without ignorant asses like you disrespecting women of differing races.
@cutiepatootie66 I merely said that western features were jarring after seeing only asian features throughout the film. I was pointing out the difference between the two. I never mentioned beauty or ugliness, nor did I mention women. It's you who assumed that anything to do with features must be a reference to women, and that what I said must have been an insult merely because I acknowledged that people look different depending on their country. The latter is not an insult, but a fact.
@RustedHatter Jarring means unpleasant, same thing. The fact that you say it is a fact and not an opinion is further insulting. Replace Western in your sentence with African or Latino, and then tell me it's not racist. Huge double standard. I hate when people like you have to put down an entire race to prop another one up. Say it is an opinion, then whatever it is what you think, but to state it as a fact is racist.
@cutiepatootie66 So you believe that everyone from every country and every continent looks exactly the same? That there's no inherited facial feature to notice or be proud of? Why are you assuming I'm racist just because I noticed that original asian and western and african and latino features aren't all the same? IT IS A FACT. I'm not putting down any race. I'm not saying any race is better than the other. You're saying that in a desperate attempt to start a fight on youtube of all places.
@RustedHatter Of course there are facial feature differences between races, but to say Western faces are 'jarring' compared to Asians is insulting and racist. There are racial differences but to say one is better than another, or one race is 'jarring' conpared to another is racist. Just because I have Western features and freckles does that mean my features are inferior to Asian features? If you did not mean any harm then either change or delete what you said because it is racist.
@cutiepatootie66 Let me think about that: no. There's nothing wrong with my comment. You're just getting insulted over nothing. I refuse to get involved with either a troll, or someone who's getting all self-righteous over a harmless comment. You bore me. Bye bye freckle-face!
@RustedHatter Your comment is racist and so are you. I have every right to get upset. I am not a troll and my freckles are beautiful. Grow up, and get an education. Stop visting Asian porn sites and see women like they truly are freckles and all. We are all beautiful regardless of race!
@cutiepatootie66 Any race can be beautiful but there are more white people marrying Asian girls than Asian guys marrying white girls. As a Vietnamese-American myself, i know a white friend who married to a Asian girl. I guess it had to do with stereotypes and such like Asian men have small dicks(which is not true)
@Hperman09 Ok from what you are saying, more white men like Asian women than Asian men like white women. WTF? I don't even know where to begin with this. For one, who gives a flying shit who white men like. And two, I am a white girl and I have noticed that many Asian men find me very attractive. The small penis thing is not always true but Caucasian girls having larger breasts is true and I am proof of this but maybe that could account for my popularity among the Asian men.
We should never forget the past. And we should always look to better ourselves. This being said, I am proud of the ideals of American diversity, but I am ashamed of how we have failed to uphold these ideals in the past and still today. We talk about diversity but the government still discriminates against Spanish speaking cultures, Islam, and homosexual couples, just to name a few. Americans still have a long way to go to live up to the ideal of diversity.
This scene made me embarrassed to be an American. I hope that when I visit Japan, I do not act like them. Hopefully my knowledge of the Japanese language and culture will help. I want to conduct myself with dignity and respect.
@rebelangels1994 both sides were responsible for heinous crimes against human beings. neither party is free of blame. sure, japan came out on the bottom in the end, but the leaders of the nation at that time were irresponsible too. all i can say is that we must own up to our faults, americans and japanese alike, and learn from this so that nothing like this happens again.
i never cry during movies and as much as i didnt want to i just couldnt hold back the tears its so sad to see that japan had gotten crypt by America just as other place have
Pumpkin is not bad. She is just a victim of circumstance. Being a Geisha can't be easy, depriving yourself of so many simple joys in life for the sake of your duty.
@dovespin1 She is very much a victim, we have to remember that she was a good friend to Sayuri and she loved her but after Chiyo became Sayuri it ruined the little potential she had to be a great geisha on top of not being adopted and being Hatsumomo's whipping toy
I guess after watching demure and elegant Asians for the first 90% of the movie, the sudden bombardment of loud and obnoxious white people is just....ugh...
As an American myself, it makes me sick to see how many countries in the world have had their own cultures and customs pushed into the dark to make room for Western influences. No culture is squeaky clean, I'll say that right now. And even though I'm glad America has a very diverse and rich culture of it's own, I don't think it's fair that we (to this day) feel the need to make everyone else in the world like us. America wouldn't be America without the influence of outsiders.
@CxHxRxIxSxTxIxAxN I don't think it is so much like that today. While I see your point, I do not think we are deliberately pushing our customs on others as we used to.
@KoeHalifax Are you serious???!??!?!?! So I guess we are still searching for "weapons of mass destruction" in Afghanistan and Iraq? You don't have any family in the military do you?
@J4L4N Yes I am serious. And don't be so quick to pass judgement on others or you'll be acting extremely hypocritical. What I was saying was that our country used to be a lot worse in this area and we have come a long way. I am not a Bush supporter and never was. But one idiot should not be made into a synecdoche for an entire country.
@KoeHalifax I don't know u so I can't judge u. I don't care anything about u or who u vote for. Who cares? The USA govt has lied, cheated, killed, and stolen. This is fact. No amount of "good will" or money will erase all the books or minds of these horrible acts perpetrated by "civilized God loving Americans". There is a lot of blood being shed in the name of democracy and peace. Look up Obama, McCain, and Palin rally on youtube. They are still just as hateful, evil, and fearful as ever.
@J4L4N You haven't even remotely gotten my point. I'm not talking about anyone in particular, I was simply disassociating my point from your "weapons of mass destruction" which you obviously failed to grasp. You insinuated that I have no family in the war and therefore can't relate to the pains those weapons have had so you WERE judging me. You keep on repeating your bloodshed points and what I am saying has nothing to do with that. I am simply saying that it is better than it used to be.
@CxHxRxIxSxTxIxAxN Wow I LOVE ur opinion! (i'm the american daughter of two spanish immigrants) nice to know some people have nice opinions on the melting pot!
@CxHxRxIxSxTxIxAxN America doesn't feel the need to make everyone love our country. As an American yourself you should know this. And what does that have to do with outsiders influencing us? They influence us a ton! America is a melting pot of diversity and culture.
@backoncemore who said anything about love? America doesn't care if they are loved. This scene doesn't show love it shows dominance. America bombed them and went in and mocked, disrespected, and watered down everything to their liking. What is shown in this scene is what America has done throughout history. Pls don't bother saying it didn't happen b/c I will know you that you have never taken a world civilization course. As President Roosevelt said "Speak softly and carry a big stick".
@J4L4N I find your comment quite hilarious, "who said anything about love? America doesn't care if they are loved." That's what I wrote in my original comment. You're trying to argue with me when we agree on the same thing. Yes, we bombed them. Am I proud of that as an American? Hell no. Yes, I agree, America has gone into countries throughout history and influenced them in both negative AND positive ways. Actually, I have taken several world civilization courses.
@backoncemore I don't know you and don't care to. I wasn't "trying to argue". I simply posted a comment on a Youtube page just as you and millions of other people do daily. If you want to argue join a debate team.
@J4L4N Now you're just being hypocritical. I was stating my opinion from the beginning, not arguing. I was trying to tell you that we agree on the same thing. I was expressing my opinion just like you were, yet you have the audacity to yell at me? If you can't handle having a discussion without being rude and hypocritical then you don't belong on the internet.
@CxHxRxIxSxTxIxAxN Yes, but that's what comes with progress. Japan was once home to hundreds of micro-cultures that were superseded by what you're seeing now on the screen. They talk a lot about water in this movie, culture is like water. It is fluid and ever changing.
@CxHxRxIxSxTxIxAxN it is a serious case of imperialism, but it takes two sides to make that "room" you talk about, to accept like sheeps that influence. i´m glad as a southamerican to know that American people like you have a clear and open mind to be self critical. you rule Christian!!!!!
It is quite easy sometimes to educate Americans. lolz I am an American that is easily entertained :D I would be jumping up and down if I visited Japan! Japanese culture is cool! Love it.
Whut ? Pumpkin changed... a lot (or maybe she at last let herself be... some sort of revenge thing on the past... and later, on Chiyo *even if nothing was her fault*) ! And she indeed got an american accent.
Moral of this particular part of the movie. When Western influence comes in to your own society with traditional values, ethics. beliefs, all of it goes down the drain. and what do you get instead? Alcohol, tobacco use, a materialistic mentality. exhibit A = Pumpkin "Is he willing to pay us American dollars ... cash?"
Pumpkin ultimately inherited Hatsumomo's temper and anger, much more than she she realized. How sad it must have been for Sayuri to see this: the woman who was raised as your sister is now a mini-version of the woman who tried to destroy your career. By this point, Pumpkin was worthless because she abandoned the old ways to become a common whore. Easier life, yes, but no honor or respect in Japanese society.
@JumpStreet1983 I respectfully disagree. While I do think she became angry like Hatsumomo, I do not think it was for those reasons. Being a prostitute is by no means an easier life. It must have been very scarring for her, and no doubt had a negative affect on her attitude towards her life. Her turning point was the adoption. After years of being a prostitute, she would have to be a saint to have no bitter feelings.
@JumpStreet1983 you're right, she does resemble Hatsumomo, and yes, she did abandone the true geisha way. but the importance here I think is that her and Hatsumomo had a common point. they were both women that their dreams were taken away. women that hoped, loved and believed until one day everyhtning turned to dust. I think what she did was unforgivable, but I can sympathise still and understand the reason why. when your whole world falls apart, nothing seems right anymore.
shut the fuck up u know nothing about American culture...ok japan has it's culture so does every country n the world r u fucking retarded look at this page ppl r bashing u because talk a bunch of bullshit get off youtube btw owned by an American company......
@MiLLSTREETMED my grandfather served in WW2 and served his country if you remember it was japan that attcked us! Yes today people are stupid in America but back then Americans held a different attitude towards things. Every male in my family has been in a war you also can't judge a whole culture on just one person.
I have to say my stomach turned the instant an american face showed up. I have served my USMC and I am sad to how my fellow soliders and Americans are ignorant to other cultures and treat people.
I agree with you, a lot of Americans ARE ignorant to other cultures and treat other people horribly. But the same could be said about every ethnic group in how they are towards other cultures different from theirs. You cannot go around judging all Americans just because a few are prejudice. I am an American, and to be perfectly honest, I love other cultures, especially the Japanese culture. And like many other Americans, I try to treat everyone with respect, and see us as equals.
I am an American. I love America. But the fact that the American troops came here and acted this way upseted me. I'm being honest. People in Japan knew the customs of geisha and would never ask "what is protocal" or "how much?" to a geisha. They aren't prostitutes. They are artists.
i still wonder what could of happened to hatsumomo while the war was going on? Did she die? did she run away to America? or just become another pumpkin?hmmm maybe she finally lived with that koicji boy (how ever you spell his name). And i hate it the way pumpkin turned out to be in the end.Someone one in the beginning went from being her BFF to her worst enemy.This movie is so wonderful and everyone has their own opinions about this movie some love it and some hate it.But i love it!!!
Pumpkin was definitely a whore. Survived after the war, she had faced the difficulty and poverty that had turned her to an cruel, sharp woman, she was no longer the honest and silly Pumpkin. She still kept her hatred and jealousy of Sayuri.
when i saw this scene for the first time ( i didin't know about the book at that time), i hoped that was Mr. Chairman to come, not Nobu-san. How disappointed i was then, and i guessed, so was Sayuri. Although Chairman showed up a very little times in the film, still somehow he left in me an unforgetable impression. Ken Wanatabe is the only Japanese Actor that i adore and admire.
when i saw this scene for the first time ( i didin't know about the book at that time), i hoped that was Mr. Chairman to come, not Nobu-san. How disappointed i was then, and i guessed, so was Sayuri. Although Chairman showed up a very little times in the film, still somehow he left in me an unforgetable impression. Ken Wanatabe is the only Japanese Actor that i adore and admire.
when i saw this scene for the first time ( i didin't know about the book at that time), i hoped that was Mr. Chairman to come, not Nobu-san. How disappointed i was then, and i guessed, so was Sayuri. Although Chairman showed up a very little times in the film, still somehow he left in me an unforgetable impression. Ken Wanatabe is the only Japanese Actor that i adore and admire.
when i saw this scene for the first time ( i didin't know about the book at that time), i hoped that was Mr. Chairman to come, not Nobu-san. How disappointed i was then, and i guessed, so was Sayuri. Although Chairman showed up a very little times in the film, still somehow he left in me an unforgetable impression. Ken Wanatabe is the only Japanese Actor that i adore and admire.
stupid americans -_-
wackoFuzzay 3 days ago
Wow.... is all i have to say to this movie
neptuniumforest 1 week ago
instead of judging Pumpkin, just think about how her small dream of being adopted was taken away from her by sayuri -her best friend- who's the most desired geisha and the most successful.
purplepixiedust322 1 week ago
Strangely, I usually stop watching the movie at this point. The romance of the ending is great, but it just doesn't appeal as much as the geisha world.
Also, I hate watching the American soldiers... :P
thescrpionsgrl 1 week ago
@thescrpionsgrl But so much BAD has happened...how can you not want to see the ending. i dont blame u though
neptuniumforest 1 week ago
Nobu is more attractive in the movie than the book, but also less principled.
MissLadyDoolittle 1 week ago in playlist Memoirs
Dammit Americans! Look what you did! >:C
shadesidedragon13 2 weeks ago
@shadesidedragon13 Riiiight only Americans did this clearly...grow up. World War means pretty much everyone
TheUsedAngel 2 weeks ago
lol Pumpkin as a hooker...funny
nokuphila05 4 weeks ago
Can people just calm the fuck down, please? Asian faces and features tend to be more subtle and small, and Western features are sharp, prominent and big (think of Asians' cheekbones and jawlines compared to those of the Westerns, as well as eyes, and noses). We are recognized by the distinct cultural faces we are born with, and that's all there is to this racism shmacism shenanigan.
endingnote 1 month ago 3
zhang ziyi's english is horrendous.....
even gong li can speak better english lol
what is wrong with her...
candygurlQT 1 month ago
For a second it sounded like she was saying : "Rice, work, rice, work" and I was like: "What does rice have to do with this!? You're a kimono maker! D:s "
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lapeste1971 1 month ago
Just read she actually stayed with a Kimono maker, making parachutes, mixing dies and picking plants for colours, rather than working with rice in a group, she was the only one the family took in
BaoYen1000 2 months ago 4
The movie is amazing symbolism on how cultures change in just a short lifetime.
03BIGCITY 2 months ago 5
@Europeanguy87
You are what we call an idiot.
lillaylowsmommy 2 months ago
disgrace to geishas,Pumpkin
mariawithmakeup 2 months ago 4
@kijie This was at that time when US troops were stationed in Japan to disarm the imperial Japanese government. The Japanese Army had done some horrible shit in Asia so the US imposed it's way of constitution to Japan including Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution which prohibited it's country from allowing to have standing military. During Cold War, the US set up military bases in Japan to keep communist at bay - such as the Korean War. So now, the US is responsible for the defense of Japan.
Hperman09 2 months ago 2
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So good to see sophisticated Western faces.. comparing to the primitive Asian faces..
EuropeanGuy87 2 months ago
@EuropeanGuy87 What a jerk you have insisted on being so I have bought the hook and long enough to tell you that you are an asshole.
408Magenta 2 months ago
so....there was nothing left but Obi belts?
felineshadow0221 2 months ago
What's the name of the song playing 7:23-8:00?
LiliClare 3 months ago
No Pumpkin! You used to be so sweet! TT.TT
ashy13241 3 months ago 45
@ashy13241 ikr? so sad to see her become a beach.
xOmaiitsADino 2 months ago 2
oh Pumpkin!!! What happened to my sweet pumpkin! :(
bleachmoon 3 months ago
@bleachmoon the americans came in
frozenterror93 3 months ago
@frozenterror93 you think? Maybe all the abuse over the years that she took.
bleachmoon 2 months ago
this part in the book was so elaborate..
fuzzytangent 4 months ago 4
what are those long things they washed and dried?
honeybumblebee 4 months ago
@honeybumblebee they were the kimono they were dying and then hanging to dry.
jj22267 4 months ago
i always said american were proud nosey ppl who were hidding behind democracy ...but after reading the comments i find myself swaying ...and one person sums it up a country can only be fully influenced if it gives up and allows itself to be infiltrated BUT then again what gives any super power towant tocome in a "take over" ...the world sickens me im buying a private island
leeks1991 4 months ago
Watching this makes me ashamed to call myself an American.
michelletheory 4 months ago
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Enx97 4 months ago
In the book she had sex with an old Japanese man in this movie they changed him into an American. ... Also kind of ridiculous that they made pre-war Japan to look like it was all cherry blossoms and parties .... Not historically accurate at all. At least it's pretty.
cutiepatootie66 5 months ago
Has Pumpkin gone CRAZY?!She was Soooo bad when she was young,I MEAN LIKE START A FIRE AND MAKE MORE?!!
Coco2133458 5 months ago
@Coco2133458 Hatsumomo started the fire, not Pumpkin. When Hatsumomo threw the lamp oil all over the hallway, she nearly hit Pumpkin with oil and glass and because of the fire, Pumpkin was forced to go back downstairs
Applebutter799 5 months ago
@Applebutter799 thanks i got confused
Coco2133458 5 months ago 3
what are the things hanging like the strips of cloth ..? and what do they do there?
keeutiee 6 months ago
@keeutiee Those are kimonos. They're obviously making kimonos from them :p
RustyHeartsWiki 5 months ago
What's the name of the song playing when Sayuri finds Pumpkin with the soldiers?
KazeTenno 6 months ago
where did she go?
MsSurfer1996 6 months ago
Okay okay people lets not forget that is was the JAPANESE who bombed US for NO REASON first. so yes we bombed them but it was their fault in the first place, we were staying out of the war until then so yeah. dont get me wrong i love the japanese and their culture but they almost literally asked for it.
FlapJack211 6 months ago
@FlapJack211 But you, "americans", killed thousands of innocent persons!!
KazeTenno 6 months ago
@KazeTenno
That's war babe. No soldier on any side of any country is exemt from that. No country in general for that matter. In the end, were all %#$#@$ up, each in our own special way.
wierdsquirrelgirl 6 months ago
@KazeTenno pearl harbor had thousands of innocent ppl as well, a life is a life, no matter if it wears a uniform or regular clothes
CarlyxCrash 5 months ago
@CarlyxCrash Do you think that the bombs of Hiroshima and Nagsaki could be compared with Pearl Harbor??!! Please, don't make me laugh...
KazeTenno 5 months ago
@KazeTenno no, im not comparing it, im not saying the USA was right to do that, but then again, neither was japan, and japan had no reason to bomb the US to begin with
CarlyxCrash 5 months ago
@CarlyxCrash Japan didn't attack New York, or Los Angeles, they attacked Pearl Harbor, a naval base!! And no, the things change if the person wears uniform or regular clothes. They're military, they're prepared to give their life to protect their country, but the two bombs didn't kill military, they killed innocent people. (Sorry for my bad English)
KazeTenno 5 months ago
@KazeTenno excuse me? pearl harbor IS a military base but hawaii is a tiny little island whose attack actually reached civilians. u cannot and will never justify pearl harbor's attack because japan wasnt defending itself, japan simply attacked the US because of the emperors pride that they were becoming a strong nation, the US has done evil things in the past but they played the victims in this case, and the japan attack was basically a suckerpunch
CarlyxCrash 5 months ago
@FlapJack211 The Japanese bombed a military base-the Americans chose to bomb civilians.
whisperingtribute 5 months ago in playlist More videos from ronniemonnie
@whisperingtribute yes but we wouldnt have bombed civilians in the first place if they hadnt invloved us in the war. they brought us into it and they paid the price for it.
FlapJack211 4 months ago
nobu begging Sayuri?!!!! Never! that was not his way...the scene had a different type of humility to it in the novel...
brandigirl313 7 months ago
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Why we can't we just enjoy the movie without people making rude comments about Americans! It's offending. Everyone can go on and on how they hate American's, but if it's another nationally its wrong.
MissMademoiselle2 7 months ago 4
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MissMademoiselle2 7 months ago
where was pumpkin at the time while sayuri was working?
axingurl81 7 months ago
@axingurl81 most likely in Osaka where most of the other women in the hanamachi were sent
Applebutter799 6 months ago
lol for two seconds i felt soo ashamed to be american -_-"
J3anie 7 months ago 6
I hate how nice they made Nobu in the movie. They also didn't talk about the General becoming her danna and how outraged that made Nobu. Every time Sayuri spoke to him in the book, he was constantly insulting her and getting angry. They made him entirely too kind and personable.
Drassielle 7 months ago 6
God, Western features are so jarring after become used to only Asian faces in this film.
RustedHatter 7 months ago 77
@RustedHatter That sounds racist. Asian women are beautiful, but Western women are too. That fact that people gave you thumbs up just reinforces the fact that people cannot say a woman of a certain race is beautiful without ignorant asses like you disrespecting women of differing races.
cutiepatootie66 5 months ago 4
@cutiepatootie66 I merely said that western features were jarring after seeing only asian features throughout the film. I was pointing out the difference between the two. I never mentioned beauty or ugliness, nor did I mention women. It's you who assumed that anything to do with features must be a reference to women, and that what I said must have been an insult merely because I acknowledged that people look different depending on their country. The latter is not an insult, but a fact.
RustedHatter 5 months ago
@RustedHatter Jarring means unpleasant, same thing. The fact that you say it is a fact and not an opinion is further insulting. Replace Western in your sentence with African or Latino, and then tell me it's not racist. Huge double standard. I hate when people like you have to put down an entire race to prop another one up. Say it is an opinion, then whatever it is what you think, but to state it as a fact is racist.
cutiepatootie66 5 months ago
@cutiepatootie66 So you believe that everyone from every country and every continent looks exactly the same? That there's no inherited facial feature to notice or be proud of? Why are you assuming I'm racist just because I noticed that original asian and western and african and latino features aren't all the same? IT IS A FACT. I'm not putting down any race. I'm not saying any race is better than the other. You're saying that in a desperate attempt to start a fight on youtube of all places.
RustedHatter 5 months ago
@RustedHatter Of course there are facial feature differences between races, but to say Western faces are 'jarring' compared to Asians is insulting and racist. There are racial differences but to say one is better than another, or one race is 'jarring' conpared to another is racist. Just because I have Western features and freckles does that mean my features are inferior to Asian features? If you did not mean any harm then either change or delete what you said because it is racist.
cutiepatootie66 5 months ago
@cutiepatootie66 Let me think about that: no. There's nothing wrong with my comment. You're just getting insulted over nothing. I refuse to get involved with either a troll, or someone who's getting all self-righteous over a harmless comment. You bore me. Bye bye freckle-face!
RustedHatter 5 months ago
@RustedHatter Your comment is racist and so are you. I have every right to get upset. I am not a troll and my freckles are beautiful. Grow up, and get an education. Stop visting Asian porn sites and see women like they truly are freckles and all. We are all beautiful regardless of race!
cutiepatootie66 5 months ago
@cutiepatootie66 Any race can be beautiful but there are more white people marrying Asian girls than Asian guys marrying white girls. As a Vietnamese-American myself, i know a white friend who married to a Asian girl. I guess it had to do with stereotypes and such like Asian men have small dicks(which is not true)
Hperman09 2 months ago
@Hperman09 Ok from what you are saying, more white men like Asian women than Asian men like white women. WTF? I don't even know where to begin with this. For one, who gives a flying shit who white men like. And two, I am a white girl and I have noticed that many Asian men find me very attractive. The small penis thing is not always true but Caucasian girls having larger breasts is true and I am proof of this but maybe that could account for my popularity among the Asian men.
cutiepatootie66 1 month ago
We should never forget the past. And we should always look to better ourselves. This being said, I am proud of the ideals of American diversity, but I am ashamed of how we have failed to uphold these ideals in the past and still today. We talk about diversity but the government still discriminates against Spanish speaking cultures, Islam, and homosexual couples, just to name a few. Americans still have a long way to go to live up to the ideal of diversity.
Princesscolex 7 months ago 4
Fuck! Pumpkin has become American
huykute06 7 months ago
Pumpkin!! wat happened to u?!?!?!?!
bloom9304 7 months ago 3
You were not there X3 in ww2 X3
0Carkki0 8 months ago
Sayuri is so cute at 7:23 :)
AshandSmoke 9 months ago
Stupid Americans I feel ashamed -__-
AlliAmIsDelilah 9 months ago 5
@AlliAmIsDelilah Me too. To think that we, americans, ruined that beautiful culture.
RandomicaKnight 9 months ago
@RandomicaKnight thats right, the whole culture changed after wwII
its awful all that talent culture and tradition practically gone.
AlliAmIsDelilah 8 months ago
This scene made me embarrassed to be an American. I hope that when I visit Japan, I do not act like them. Hopefully my knowledge of the Japanese language and culture will help. I want to conduct myself with dignity and respect.
HououMinamino 9 months ago
This made me hate Americans!
I feel sorry for japan
rebelangels1994 9 months ago 2
@rebelangels1994 both sides were responsible for heinous crimes against human beings. neither party is free of blame. sure, japan came out on the bottom in the end, but the leaders of the nation at that time were irresponsible too. all i can say is that we must own up to our faults, americans and japanese alike, and learn from this so that nothing like this happens again.
hiperson641 9 months ago 29
i never cry during movies and as much as i didnt want to i just couldnt hold back the tears its so sad to see that japan had gotten crypt by America just as other place have
DreamFantasyCookieZ 10 months ago 5
i like american soilders in WWI I, there cool looking. :) but i feel bad for Japan
maddy31400 10 months ago
ugh.. how embarrasing it is 2 b an american in this video :| but im glad im part japanese they are wonderful people <3
misfit13kushy 10 months ago
8:16 "soldiers boys" sounds like soulja boy.
moomoosborne 10 months ago 2
Bei Meir bist du Shain by the Andrew sisters wayne newton also sang it in ferris bueller
GATAMONAE 10 months ago
In my opinion this new* pumpkin is worse than what hatusomo ever was and it defiantly becomes more noticeable in the next few videos.
HORSEZOX 11 months ago
I think Pumpkin has inherited Hatsumomo's bad attitude and bitchy out look on life. It is not Sayrui's fault is is a better Gesha than her.
Satsumarie 11 months ago
g's pumpkin, it's not sayuri's fault! it's not sayuri's fault that she's a sexy biscuit and got picked over you.
theebobfather213 11 months ago 2
I don't think that America destroyed other cultures. :O
It's simply that the young people are rather interested to move to great America, with it's good food, wonderful national parks...
It really fascinates people, me included. :D
Rimfaxe96 11 months ago
Pumpkin is not bad. She is just a victim of circumstance. Being a Geisha can't be easy, depriving yourself of so many simple joys in life for the sake of your duty.
dovespin1 11 months ago 2
@dovespin1 She is very much a victim, we have to remember that she was a good friend to Sayuri and she loved her but after Chiyo became Sayuri it ruined the little potential she had to be a great geisha on top of not being adopted and being Hatsumomo's whipping toy
RavenTheePrincess 11 months ago
@RavenTheePrincess yes, this story is all about victims, but Sayuri maintains her integrity throughout, which is difficult to do in those times.
dovespin1 11 months ago 4
Seeing nothing but Asians throughout this entire movie makes the American soldiers seem totally out of place.
misskitty48 11 months ago 9
@misskitty48 That's because they were.
artwritesyou 10 months ago
sorry but I have to say this:
stupid American men....
mermaidmelody123123 11 months ago 4
the americans are making fun of their culture..like that one soldier trying on the geisha mask and laughing about it
20PINKluvr 1 year ago 3
The minister was Japanese in the book. Not American..
And Nobu has an arm too much ><
SatoTM2 1 year ago 4
@SatoTM2 lmfao
escaramuzaml 1 year ago
Anyone know what the song at 7.13 onwards is?
I've heard it before but can't make out the words properly so can't look it up :(
XxRockerChildxX 1 year ago
I guess after watching demure and elegant Asians for the first 90% of the movie, the sudden bombardment of loud and obnoxious white people is just....ugh...
forcommongood 1 year ago 9
I can't believe those Americans are somebody's great great great something grandfather today.
anythingnew 1 year ago
oh jolly the Americans....
sepidehtje 1 year ago
i could barely watch the american part it was so disgusting that i wanted to skip through it...it almost makes me not want to be american
narutolove12 1 year ago 5
i felt really embarrassed to be an american beacuse of this....
aublus01 1 year ago 6
Thumbs up if you just facepalmed for America.
michanxstatus 1 year ago 57
I feel kinda pissed at america now cos of all the influence it bought in other people's cultures. It just ruins everything thats really beautiful.
Artprincess247 1 year ago 15
american faces....not that I missed them too much...
Born2Rock1987 1 year ago 3
Oh god... Pumpkin dressed like a pinupxgeisha girl Oo
Nightberrii 1 year ago 10
As an American myself, it makes me sick to see how many countries in the world have had their own cultures and customs pushed into the dark to make room for Western influences. No culture is squeaky clean, I'll say that right now. And even though I'm glad America has a very diverse and rich culture of it's own, I don't think it's fair that we (to this day) feel the need to make everyone else in the world like us. America wouldn't be America without the influence of outsiders.
CxHxRxIxSxTxIxAxN 1 year ago 282
@CxHxRxIxSxTxIxAxN I don't think it is so much like that today. While I see your point, I do not think we are deliberately pushing our customs on others as we used to.
KoeHalifax 1 year ago
@KoeHalifax Are you serious???!??!?!?! So I guess we are still searching for "weapons of mass destruction" in Afghanistan and Iraq? You don't have any family in the military do you?
J4L4N 8 months ago
@J4L4N Yes I am serious. And don't be so quick to pass judgement on others or you'll be acting extremely hypocritical. What I was saying was that our country used to be a lot worse in this area and we have come a long way. I am not a Bush supporter and never was. But one idiot should not be made into a synecdoche for an entire country.
KoeHalifax 8 months ago
@KoeHalifax I don't know u so I can't judge u. I don't care anything about u or who u vote for. Who cares? The USA govt has lied, cheated, killed, and stolen. This is fact. No amount of "good will" or money will erase all the books or minds of these horrible acts perpetrated by "civilized God loving Americans". There is a lot of blood being shed in the name of democracy and peace. Look up Obama, McCain, and Palin rally on youtube. They are still just as hateful, evil, and fearful as ever.
J4L4N 8 months ago
@J4L4N You haven't even remotely gotten my point. I'm not talking about anyone in particular, I was simply disassociating my point from your "weapons of mass destruction" which you obviously failed to grasp. You insinuated that I have no family in the war and therefore can't relate to the pains those weapons have had so you WERE judging me. You keep on repeating your bloodshed points and what I am saying has nothing to do with that. I am simply saying that it is better than it used to be.
KoeHalifax 8 months ago
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@KoeHalifax again, I DON'T CARE. THIS IS YOUTUBE NOT HISTORY CLASS. I don't give a fuck about you or what you think. Did you get that??
J4L4N 8 months ago
@CxHxRxIxSxTxIxAxN America has a culture?
SatoTM2 1 year ago
@CxHxRxIxSxTxIxAxN Wow I LOVE ur opinion! (i'm the american daughter of two spanish immigrants) nice to know some people have nice opinions on the melting pot!
martatwilight 11 months ago
@martatwilight Thanks for the compliment ^_^
CxHxRxIxSxTxIxAxN 11 months ago
@CxHxRxIxSxTxIxAxN
Well said. I couldn't of said it another way.
Here, here.
TheVasilisas 11 months ago
@CxHxRxIxSxTxIxAxN America doesn't feel the need to make everyone love our country. As an American yourself you should know this. And what does that have to do with outsiders influencing us? They influence us a ton! America is a melting pot of diversity and culture.
backoncemore 8 months ago
@backoncemore who said anything about love? America doesn't care if they are loved. This scene doesn't show love it shows dominance. America bombed them and went in and mocked, disrespected, and watered down everything to their liking. What is shown in this scene is what America has done throughout history. Pls don't bother saying it didn't happen b/c I will know you that you have never taken a world civilization course. As President Roosevelt said "Speak softly and carry a big stick".
J4L4N 8 months ago
@J4L4N I find your comment quite hilarious, "who said anything about love? America doesn't care if they are loved." That's what I wrote in my original comment. You're trying to argue with me when we agree on the same thing. Yes, we bombed them. Am I proud of that as an American? Hell no. Yes, I agree, America has gone into countries throughout history and influenced them in both negative AND positive ways. Actually, I have taken several world civilization courses.
backoncemore 8 months ago
@backoncemore But it's funny that you think you have some knowledge as to what I study in school. Perhaps you should take your own advice.
backoncemore 8 months ago
@backoncemore I don't know you and don't care to. I wasn't "trying to argue". I simply posted a comment on a Youtube page just as you and millions of other people do daily. If you want to argue join a debate team.
J4L4N 8 months ago
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@J4L4N Now you're just being hypocritical. I was stating my opinion from the beginning, not arguing. I was trying to tell you that we agree on the same thing. I was expressing my opinion just like you were, yet you have the audacity to yell at me? If you can't handle having a discussion without being rude and hypocritical then you don't belong on the internet.
backoncemore 8 months ago
@CxHxRxIxSxTxIxAxN Yes, with that being said we must uphold the cultural structure even with western influences.
nadsingh 8 months ago
@CxHxRxIxSxTxIxAxN Yes, but that's what comes with progress. Japan was once home to hundreds of micro-cultures that were superseded by what you're seeing now on the screen. They talk a lot about water in this movie, culture is like water. It is fluid and ever changing.
thugugbob 6 months ago
@CxHxRxIxSxTxIxAxN England fucked Japan over. American-Japanese relations were actually GREAT up until that whole Pearl Harbor thing.
RustyHeartsWiki 5 months ago
@CxHxRxIxSxTxIxAxN it is a serious case of imperialism, but it takes two sides to make that "room" you talk about, to accept like sheeps that influence. i´m glad as a southamerican to know that American people like you have a clear and open mind to be self critical. you rule Christian!!!!!
marce2409 4 months ago 4
I mean entertain...not educate...am I crazy?!
Sabikagei 1 year ago
It is quite easy sometimes to educate Americans. lolz I am an American that is easily entertained :D I would be jumping up and down if I visited Japan! Japanese culture is cool! Love it.
And I love this movie!
Sabikagei 1 year ago
i love the Chairman,.<3
The12201220 1 year ago 5
Whut ? Pumpkin changed... a lot (or maybe she at last let herself be... some sort of revenge thing on the past... and later, on Chiyo *even if nothing was her fault*) ! And she indeed got an american accent.
RadicalDreamer17 1 year ago
her voice....pumpkin....the accent has become more american. Does anyone agree?
myemolove13 1 year ago 11
I love the symbolism of the cloth in the water, turning it red like blood.
myemolove13 1 year ago
4:42 those silly americans xD
BreShuna 1 year ago 2
Moral of this particular part of the movie. When Western influence comes in to your own society with traditional values, ethics. beliefs, all of it goes down the drain. and what do you get instead? Alcohol, tobacco use, a materialistic mentality. exhibit A = Pumpkin "Is he willing to pay us American dollars ... cash?"
banzai23Q 1 year ago 2
pumpkin is perdy
02sprinkles 1 year ago
Did WWI hit or was it the time of WWII?
Sabikagei 1 year ago
@Sabikagei WWII
Faytyn 1 year ago
@Faytyn Okay :)
Sabikagei 1 year ago
Pumpkin ultimately inherited Hatsumomo's temper and anger, much more than she she realized. How sad it must have been for Sayuri to see this: the woman who was raised as your sister is now a mini-version of the woman who tried to destroy your career. By this point, Pumpkin was worthless because she abandoned the old ways to become a common whore. Easier life, yes, but no honor or respect in Japanese society.
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KoeHalifax 1 year ago
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@JumpStreet1983 I respectfully disagree. While I do think she became angry like Hatsumomo, I do not think it was for those reasons. Being a prostitute is by no means an easier life. It must have been very scarring for her, and no doubt had a negative affect on her attitude towards her life. Her turning point was the adoption. After years of being a prostitute, she would have to be a saint to have no bitter feelings.
KoeHalifax 1 year ago
@JumpStreet1983 you're right, she does resemble Hatsumomo, and yes, she did abandone the true geisha way. but the importance here I think is that her and Hatsumomo had a common point. they were both women that their dreams were taken away. women that hoped, loved and believed until one day everyhtning turned to dust. I think what she did was unforgivable, but I can sympathise still and understand the reason why. when your whole world falls apart, nothing seems right anymore.
BloodRedLilith 10 months ago 5
what are those very long pieces of cloth? are they some kind of napkins or tampons?
anijaawancha 1 year ago
No, those are obis, they're like a belt to a kimono.
ladyfire44 1 year ago
it is so shocking how much the Japanese culture was changed by the war.
irishrosexoxo 1 year ago
oh my god pumpkin's a whore.....
alyangelallstar 1 year ago 4
Nobu is soooo fine! LOL!
Greensleeves1984 1 year ago 2
shut the fuck up u know nothing about American culture...ok japan has it's culture so does every country n the world r u fucking retarded look at this page ppl r bashing u because talk a bunch of bullshit get off youtube btw owned by an American company......
facebooker121 1 year ago
@MiLLSTREETMED my grandfather served in WW2 and served his country if you remember it was japan that attcked us! Yes today people are stupid in America but back then Americans held a different attitude towards things. Every male in my family has been in a war you also can't judge a whole culture on just one person.
angelfox101 1 year ago
@angelfox101 what culture would that be? America has a culture?
MILLSTREETMED 1 year ago
@MILLSTREETMED yes we do and get ur fucking facts right
u stupid motherfucker
facebooker121 1 year ago
Pumpkin is a failed geisha. She is extremely wounded and unfortunatly learnt well from her big sister.
xoxDiamante 1 year ago
I have to say my stomach turned the instant an american face showed up. I have served my USMC and I am sad to how my fellow soliders and Americans are ignorant to other cultures and treat people.
MILLSTREETMED 1 year ago
@MILLSTREETMED
I agree with you, a lot of Americans ARE ignorant to other cultures and treat other people horribly. But the same could be said about every ethnic group in how they are towards other cultures different from theirs. You cannot go around judging all Americans just because a few are prejudice. I am an American, and to be perfectly honest, I love other cultures, especially the Japanese culture. And like many other Americans, I try to treat everyone with respect, and see us as equals.
Amanda691321 1 year ago 12
even in common clothes, sayuli is still so amazingly beautiful.
Ashbunnyrocks 1 year ago
Wasn't nobu supposed to be... burnt?
jaimelespoptarts 1 year ago
I am an American. I love America. But the fact that the American troops came here and acted this way upseted me. I'm being honest. People in Japan knew the customs of geisha and would never ask "what is protocal" or "how much?" to a geisha. They aren't prostitutes. They are artists.
shootinggreenstars3 1 year ago 3
i still wonder what could of happened to hatsumomo while the war was going on? Did she die? did she run away to America? or just become another pumpkin?hmmm maybe she finally lived with that koicji boy (how ever you spell his name). And i hate it the way pumpkin turned out to be in the end.Someone one in the beginning went from being her BFF to her worst enemy.This movie is so wonderful and everyone has their own opinions about this movie some love it and some hate it.But i love it!!!
sailoramber1985 1 year ago
Pumpkin was definitely a whore. Survived after the war, she had faced the difficulty and poverty that had turned her to an cruel, sharp woman, she was no longer the honest and silly Pumpkin. She still kept her hatred and jealousy of Sayuri.
windy2610 1 year ago
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when i saw this scene for the first time ( i didin't know about the book at that time), i hoped that was Mr. Chairman to come, not Nobu-san. How disappointed i was then, and i guessed, so was Sayuri. Although Chairman showed up a very little times in the film, still somehow he left in me an unforgetable impression. Ken Wanatabe is the only Japanese Actor that i adore and admire.
windy2610 1 year ago
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when i saw this scene for the first time ( i didin't know about the book at that time), i hoped that was Mr. Chairman to come, not Nobu-san. How disappointed i was then, and i guessed, so was Sayuri. Although Chairman showed up a very little times in the film, still somehow he left in me an unforgetable impression. Ken Wanatabe is the only Japanese Actor that i adore and admire.
windy2610 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
when i saw this scene for the first time ( i didin't know about the book at that time), i hoped that was Mr. Chairman to come, not Nobu-san. How disappointed i was then, and i guessed, so was Sayuri. Although Chairman showed up a very little times in the film, still somehow he left in me an unforgetable impression. Ken Wanatabe is the only Japanese Actor that i adore and admire.
windy2610 1 year ago
when i saw this scene for the first time ( i didin't know about the book at that time), i hoped that was Mr. Chairman to come, not Nobu-san. How disappointed i was then, and i guessed, so was Sayuri. Although Chairman showed up a very little times in the film, still somehow he left in me an unforgetable impression. Ken Wanatabe is the only Japanese Actor that i adore and admire.
windy2610 1 year ago
@windy2610 yeah! he was soooooooooooooooooooooooooo good in inception (that is the best movie ever!!!!!!)
shootinggreenstars3 1 year ago