I HATE it when christians degrade themselves. A muslim would neeeeever do that, even if they heard bullshit. If what they heard where uplifting them they would lean back and shut up!! And they are smart for that. They have a brotherhood, when will wwe have the same, and respect and support our religion like they do. Muslims are laughing at Travis and thankning him for being a fool on tv. <<we have to start respecting christianity more and Love christians like they love each other! Real talk!!
I like Tavis Smiley he is talking as a honest Human being, Ayan Ali lied of her Asylum in Holland which she never apologize yet... and here she is talking like a coward who is very suspicious about her lies on Islam.
This....lady....was expelled from the Netherland for having lied on her immigration status (origin of his assylum was in Kenya) ...and she wants her to believe that her basis are genuine when attacking ISLAM !
More--"Shouldn’t the places where Allah was worshipped and His laws obeyed have been at peace and wealthy, and the unbelievers’ countries ignorant, poor, and at war?"
Government was very present in this country (Holland). It could be bureaucratic, sometimes stupidly complex, but it also seemed very beneficial. I wanted to know how you do that. This was an infidel country, whose way of life we Muslims were supposed to oppose and reject. Why was it, then, so much better run, better led, and made for such better lives than the places we came from (Islamic lands)?
morality and virtue is obeying the code and ethics. allways has been. i hate how these rebels try to relable words to the ignorant masses who would not think to look the word up in the dictionary and just believes anything that the Tv or professor says without thinking for the self. These days are a very dangerous time for the brain. the average even above average and intelligent person isn't even aware that cognition isn't the only part of intelligence. cognition in fact is NOT intelligence.
i find it odd how these sociopathic liars can stand on television and say anything about muslim psychology or culture when there are 13 year olds making love songs and 5 year olds masturbating in classrooms. They seem to think that morality is freedom and they push this idea to the masses that are ignorant of history and knowledge. it's only been 30 years since morality has become the ability to have a kind of unrestricted freedom to engage in any perverse or lawless act.
Every woman is looking for a man to give them the love their father showed them. Since alot of black women do not have fathers they rebel are uncontrollable and constantly look for a fight. They do not know what they want out of a relationship even if they get good treatment so this is why they will be a constant problem alot of times. In America the children rebel and sometimes tell the parents what to do. if a foreigner wants my advice i tell him don't go anywhere near an american girl.
How can Tavis say this,especially those who did the crimes at Columbine,they were atheists,they made that clear.Tavis thinks like a Muslim,that everyone in America is born a Christian,and he even thinks he's one,that's just ludicrous..
@rockos414 o really so what about 89000 women and 15000 women that yearly get raped in USA AND UK respectively and many of them are being brutally tortured eventually suffering death?
@rockos414 i am saying that " The truth is on the side of oppressed" This woman blames Muslims, Does she know what happens in west with women? Obviously she gets money for that lol. She is proven to be an agent and many of the news articles have exposed her reality. She is no more than a Joke.
@flexpape I live in America. Every society has crime, what's your point?
In a Shariah governed society, Women can't even show their hair in public. A woman can only inherit half of what their brother inherits, and in Saudia Arabia women aren't even allowed to drive.
@rockos414 Hello brothe, Thanks for ur response. Actually we believe in media much not realizing that education teaches us to research and think. This girl here talking is NO islamic scholar and media is treating her as if she was one now.. have u ever met with a Muslim woman? Truth is Islam protects woman. why is that there are more Women accepting Islam in American than men? i will like u if u watch this video and give me ur point of view. watch?v=xXkUgW0-W1M uploaded and made by me. Regards
@rockos414 i myself live in Pakistan and i condemn not allowing them to drive, i mean what if any emergency happens? But i don't complain we should raise voices but we can't say anything. They have made the law for themselves and they are not opposing it. secondly showing not hair is a useless thing i mean the Quran says women should hide themselves so they don't get molested but not showing hair is not saving them Also if u know that putting cloth on hairs is must for Men too. watch the video
Don't pay attention to their stupid antics. They are animals and are proud to be that. We are human beings. I live here in america born and raised American. They are animals. rude obnoxious filthy perverted.. but it's ok we hate the disease not the people.
@yusufulhas The most awesome way to get popular and gain money is to publish against Islam and WOAH , HURRAY .. u are THE MOST AWESOME muslim scholar the world has ever produced. (Tho u don't even know what Islam means ) Even Jesus in Bible says that those who are Muslims are his brothers, sisters and mothers
@Dawahcorp - Timothy McVeigh did NOT blow himself up but "only" the building in Oklahoma nor did he consider himself a christian but rather a right-wing anti-government libertarian. He certainly did not commit his terrorist attack because he expected any "reward from God" in afterlife for committing it.
@Dawahcorp Shalom!..lol..Sadly, Sir/Ma'am, Tim McVeigh had nothing to do with it, other than the confused and drugged pawn he always was meant to be..it's common knowledge he was just a CIA pasty and was admittedly indoctrinated into Babylonian Mystery Religion as only a small part of his MK-Ultra time. Look up where he was just DAYS before the bombing, go ahead, and have the guts to follow the trail down the rabbit hole, and you WILL be scared of where you live.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is certainly very biased. She constantly labels all of Islam as extremist when by numerically Islamic radicals represent a very small percentage of Muslims. I'm a atheist who thinks that Christianity and Islam are just a ridiculous as believing in Scientology so I don't have a dog in this fight. I just hate generalizations. Once you start down that road then you can start saying all black people are this and all white people are that. Generalizations are bad.
@Dawahcorp Tim McVeigh (you spelled his name correctly, so many writers don't) did not claim to be a Christian, nor did he shout "God is Great" or commit his horrific crimes in the name of Christianity. But horrific crimes are committed for the "glory" of Islam throughout the world, continually.
Tim McVeigh is to Christianity what Osama bin Laden is to Islam.
There is no doubt that Timothy McVeigh was deeply influenced by the Christian Identity movement. Christian Identity is a profoundly racist and theocratic form of faith that developed in the late 1970s and spread like wildfire through rural communities throughout the U.S. in the 1980s.
@Dawahcorp I don't know about the "spreading like wildfire", but you are correct, there are always sa few rotten apples in every barrel, unfortunately.
@Dawahcorp You're a Muslim liar. Why are there just as many black and even Asian Christians then? Terry Nichols met Muslim terrorist Ramzi Yousef in the Philippines to learn how to make bombs. Why else would he go there? He and McVeigh were Muslim sympathizers.. hell islam is responsible for all terrorist acts in the world. This is what happens when you worship a self anointed false prophet who was a pedophile and assassin.Theres no mention of ole Mohomo in the bible. He was a barbarian
@Dawahcorp Terry Nichols met Ramzi Yousef in Manila to learn how to make bombs. Why else would he be in the Philippines? Nichols and McVeigh were Muslim sympathizers... There is no moderate Islam. The islamic world is going crazy and rioting. Muslims are incapable of self rule.. Their countries are all Islamic dictatorships in cicil war. Saudi is the head of the terrorists.. All but one of the 911 hijackers was from there and OBL was to..Islam is incompatible with modern cultures
@MrSteuma did you just take a shot at islam suggesting we believe in suicide bombing when it clearly says in the quran “And do not kill yourselves, God is merciful with you. And whosoever does that (kills self) with aggression and inequity, we will make them suffer in Hell fire, and this is easy for God to do” (29-30,4)...dont judge a whole religion because of the actions of few..just like the interviewer i could do the same thing too
They created and funded those people. don't answer them. there a bunch of idiots who don't read. the root of the movement was started by the british and the current movement was started funded and supported by the saudis and cia. It's a western conconction. Muslims do not do these sort of things.
But when we do this, we are assuming the same background, thought process and patterns. This is empirically untrue. We are all unique within our ourselves and within our groups. As humans, we must constantly seek truth. And in doing so, we realize that assuming is a weak process, and we must constantly strive to know the individual.
Ayaan is nothing more than a malign thug, paid provocateur & pro Muslim basher.
Birds of a feather flock together, or, you can't judge a book by its cover. Both have some truth to them, but they are far from cardinal truths. The best judge of a persons character can only be done by spending time with them and truly knowing their past, their thought process and patterns. Thus, stereotyping groups individuals together based on our knowledge and understanding of some one we have a close relationship within that group.
Ayaan's stererotyping places the behaviors of one person on the entire group of people that person belongs to.Therefore you have already judged the entire group of people without ever meeting or getting to know individuals.It's not fair for the others in the group to be judged upon one persons behavior or characteristics.
This is dangerous because it is inflexible & relied solely upon for information processing. When this happens,stereotypes lead to prejudice,discrimination, & social-isms.
A hungry women will do anything to get what she wants,and she will accomplish it by lying ,cheating ,We have many black and north africans who looking for papers lying about anything,most of them say they are gay/lesbians or christians or as Ayaan pretend to be victim of genital cutting etc...anything what we the west wants to hear, no wonder the Netherland expelled her. BTW her father was not Muslim
@13dachronic. Iv already seen it and yes it raises some eyebrows. I lived in holland for four years and iv never been a fan,she's got a big gob but I can't see how people conect coulmbine and Christians. There's so many other things that he could of said.
@siruliyun Dude.... U must be a muslim. No thinking person would take this as a shit it the face... Its not that strange that in america, christians do most of the killings... There are alot(!!) more christians in the U.S then there are muslims. Secondly: Columbine has nothing to do with christianity.... Im not a jew, christian or muslim, but to say she got owned is just wrong... Plz open ur mind.... U want her to be wrong so u toss your critical thinking out the window....
@8496ricko Columbine wasnt Christian driven, the murderers were Christian, the man never said that it was Christian driven. Anyways you now know that Ayaan is a liar, anyways search up Ayaan hirshi ali exposed, its a four part documentary telling the real story of Ayaan and not the fabricated one that she claims had happened to her.
@MUFC196819992008 Somehow your incorrect...muslims experience mass murder daily by nutheads & military invasions by western countries, thus suffer more casualties the world over. Trouble is anti-islamic western societies applaud & celebrate the killing of innocent muslim men, women & children of those countries far more than muslims celebrating mass murder. I call it double standards. We don't see western countries being occupied by muslims in army uniform, when that happens then c how it feels.
this bitch like most foriegners, is just glad to be in America. She doesn't know the history and the examples Tavis mentioned to her....Homegirl white people will agree with you but plz. dont be stupid enough to think they give a damn. In the end you are nothing more than another she-boon for him to use up and spit you out......If you stay in the states long enough you will see.....
Spot on Mr Smiley, here is another statistic, he EU Terrorism Situation and Trend Report 2010 found that in 2009 of 294 executed, failed or foiled terror attacks within the EU only 1 was by Islamists...if you don't believe me, google the research yourself, and obv we have the psycho Brevik as a recent example.
This woman is an opportunistic and people like her are two faced, when they are with Muslims they tell all the bad things they can tell about Christians; when she is with the Christians she tells all the things some Muslim hating Christians want to hear about Muslims. I am sure that any good Christian will not believe this woman as the interviewer exposed her weak argument!. People like her are rats with human faces... They tell what some people want to her! She does not have permanent values!
who destroy somalia not westren i think somalia problem is arab idea and islamist ideology who destroy somali culture and civilize most arab pple is gay and hatered love ayan hersi and iman, waris dirie some tribe some family who rulez somalia like abdirashiid ali sharmarke, c/laahi yuusuf , how destro somali islamist in mogadhisho legacy will contenous fuck bastard pple
@shumey123. Qofyahay iska aamus! Horta mid waxbaratay ma tihid, sida aad wax u qortay ayaan ka arkaa. English bakhtiyay ayaad qortay! Si aad ii fahantana Af Soomaali ayaan wax kuugu qorayaa! Adigoo kale waa dadka la dhumiyay oo loo sheegay in diinta Islaamku cadow kutahay. Dadka adiga oo kale ah ama waa doqomiin qofkii iska hadla iska raaca; Ama waxaad tahay qof gaal raacday oo dhaqankii ka baxday, waji ay muslimka kula soo noqotana aan lahayn. Dadka adiga oo kale ah gaalada way ka liitaan!
Columbine? That was the best example he had? Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were atheists. Dylan's mother dragged him to shul, and he hated it. I guess davening made his back hurt. Sorry, but in this world, if you see an abortion clinic bombed, sure, you know it was a Christian who did it, but if anything else was bombed, you know it was a Muslim. That's the sad truth.
Yes so many Christians blowing themselves up and justifying it with Luke 6:27, you know the one that says "be ruthless with your enemies...oh wait no it says love your enemies"...oops must have been verse 29, you know to strike terror into the enemies of god and strike the other cheek...no wait, it says to turn the other cheek...hmmm not sure which verse inspired those "Christians" to "blow themselves up everyday in postoffices and schools".
Ayaan your irrational fear of Islam is a product of projection: you wish to impose your Atheism upon the masses, and therefore think that all others are out to do the same.
I hope that our eyes are being opened up to the fact that hack tools and opportunists, like you, feel they can control us through fear.
look at this idiot. another muslim apologist. what do you they not get about the difference between INTENT and MOTIVE? did eric harris and dylan klebold kill BECAUSE OF religion? did timothy mcveigh blow up that building because of the words of jesus and his desire to go to heaven? NO
when a muslim kills BECAUSE of islam, beacuse of the koran, because he thinks he will go to heaven for it, THAT'S DIFFERENT
ayaan simply tells the truth. that's why the religion of peace makes death threats.
2:192 But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
2:193 And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
This woman is doing everything for one simnple reason : MONEY. The easiest way to get access to the west and get rich if youre from the east, is to claim to be an ex-muslim that is being followed. Smart technique.
Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
"Exposed" lol yeah right, you would need to get up very early in the morning to consider yourself worthy of exposing Ayaan Hirsi Ali. The only thing "Exposed" here is another Muslim trying to protect his desert death cult by slandering an educated female, but isn't that the very nature of Islam anyway.
columbine wasnt done in the name of christianity , so there completely different. but i think more important to realize if you look at the point he made, because there has been awful shit done in the name of christianity, is that ALL religion can justify horrible acts in the minds of the criminals who commit them. muslim extremist are just as wacko as christian extremist. LETS GET RID OF BOTH, im sure there is a logical way of living and morals we can achieve in this day and age
@trizzy3333 - I agree. But "Islam" is a Theocracy. That is why you see Muslim organizations supporting other religions "legally" to "Blur the separation of Church and state" - Islam, in th context of a "Theocracy" competes very effectively. Case In Point? Lebanon. I never have fear that a Christian is going to run into an Arab Restaraunt, and Yell "I love you Jesus" while he blows up innocent people. But, If I am in Israel, it is very possible, as the Jewish people suffer terrorist attacksdaily
she's a liar on top of that i read her first book and she's mad because her family dis own her messing the family's name, for using that man to get to Europe, she lost her virginity to some loser who she thought she was in love with. She blame Islam for her being circumcise which have nothing to do with Islam it's culture. She don't even know what what Islam is about. She is not a scholar!!
@kpierre100 - It is important to evaluate the people who provide information and commentary. However, her deficiencies as a "Human Being" have nothing to do with facts about "Islam" - furthermore, considering "Jihad" worldwide, it is a perfect time for all people, including Muslims, to discuss Islam openly, and work to change the Hateful Ideology that ultimately, effects Muslims more than others.
I have muslim friends, and their "Indoctrination" is rediculous and baseless in fact.
To know about a religion read the book of that religion.If a follower does wrong things dont blame the religion.There are good christians and bad christians.Same with muslims.
@mfrmfr05 - I disagree. the Koran is quite different from the Old testement and the new testement. It is filled with many contridictions. I think that Islam, not only as a religion, but also as a political ideology (Theocracy), needs to be discussed openly by Peaceful Muslims. It seems that in Islam, there is more Indoctrination, rather than education. The people who pay the price for this retardation, are muslims, who by the way, I believe are good people.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is not even her real name, she is a plant who has been outed by her family of all people. She has lied about her experiences her life and refuses to discuss how she got her dutch citizenship in 5 weeks. My wife is an immigrant and after 5 YEARS she is just now going for naturalization. This woman has fabricated her "struggle" and used for fame and money. Google it.
@yngliars Hi, may I request what did you type in Google or the sources about Ayaan Hirsi Ali not having her real name and lying about her experiences? I would like to read about it. Hope you can enlighten me. Thanks.
@yngliars - I read her books. I did not find any inconsistencies. Regardless, we need to discuss " Islam" in many forums honestly. I do not want to lose generations of talented Muslims, who hate Jews, hate America, and who are filled with hate ready to blow themselves up and kill innocent people to fuck 72 virgins.
I was hoping for more of the video especially after Ayaan Hirsi Ali mentioned "...you and I disagree..."
I was thinking if her dislike towards Islam was caused by her upbringing and the social norms she used to live in and thus, beginning to generalise Muslims all the same i.e. probably practice terrorism? Or was it that she happened to meet some Muslims who had an issues with her (I wanted to say "bad Muslims" but I don't want to sound rude, sorry)?
Your title's ass backward, friend. So many more examples. What a joke. How many 1,000's of terrorist attacks in the world since 911 by Muslims fully expecting to go to heaven for it? Estimates I've heard are in the 10's of 1,000's. How many acts of terrorism anywhere by Christians who it can be said did it because of their religion, somehow? Need more time? Let me suggest the number you're looking for is very low and doesn't include Columbine or post offices, etc.
@12ut5 In the world? He said inside this country. Furthermore those Muslims who are killing innocent people are not going to paradise nor are they Muslims. Killing innocence is forbidden in Islam, they are not Muslim terrorist they are criminals.
@yngliars, How could I mention other stats! I guess I should be flogged. OK. Let's just look at "this country." # of terrorist attacks, planned ones, or acts of violence, using religion as justification by people not mentally ill? Stats I'm aware of: involving Muslims, approx. 50; Christians, the Hutari in Minnesota and 1 anti-abortionist. Gi' me more if you got more.
@12ut5 How much more dishonest could you be? I dont know where you get your stats from because you seem to have conveniently omitted the 400 yrs of slavery by Americans who used the bible as justification for stealing and enslaving (forcing to work for free) millions of innocent Africans. An act that no Muslim country could come close to achieving. And lets not forget the Native Americans also victims of christian ideology. And I wont get into the inquisition in Europe or the crusades. U fail!
@yngliars 1) Google number of terrorist attacks since 911 and ask who did most of them; 2) look at Wikipedia's entry for "Islam and Slavery" (Interesting how there's still slavery in some Muslim countries, isn't it?); 3) What's Islam say you do to polytheists and what happened to millions of Hindus when Muslims invaded India? 4) Dhimitude; 5) Jihad. What's the matter, no self-criticism in the Muslim/Arab world? Must always blame anything wrong on somebody besides yourselves? I disagree with you.
@12ut5 do you mean all terrorist attacks or just the ones you want me to look at how about the 400 yrs of terror committed against all of Africa? What happened to the native americans when the europeans invaded? Theres a difference between criticism and hate you ought to look that up. The next time you want to put me or islam down you better bring some cryptonite cause what you wrote is WEAK!!!
@yngliars ... yes, yes, and the indians. You wanna trade stuff like this, non-Muslims can do that with you (see my last reply), and yes, Christians and the West have their share of stuff. When Muslims pt. this out, though, it's criticism; when it's pt'd out to you, it's hate (this where I get the death threat now?). This alone makes Islam inferior: not that it's done/doing bad stuff, others have/do, but that it denies it, or continues to do it, instead of saying WTF and flying right.
@12ut5 europe terrorized every single country they came across colonized them destroyed their culture their religion their language etc. And what you see today is the result. You see a revolution going on and you are doing the same thing the europeans did before demonize it call it terror etc what a hypocrite. Like I said bring kryptonite next time.
@12ut5 After all the replies you received, I would also like to raise the issues of the Crusaders who massacred the Jews and Muslims indiscrimiantely hundreds of years back. Back then, Islam was not a centre of terrorism i.e. was not the source of terrorism moreover those period were much more closer after its revelations than today. Yet in the present we have terrorists who disguise as Muslims.
@12ut5 If in the past Muslim armies were welcomed as liberators and treated the vanquished with total respect (including Christians), leniency and kindness but today's terrorists who claimed to be Muslism do the otherwise, don't you think the past Muslims were more accurate to the practices of Islam since their era was not as far to the time of Prophet Muhammad's lifetime compared to today?
@12ut5 Will that not occur to your mind that somewhere must have gone wrong? And by the way, are you aware that the Crusaders were said to have massacred the innocents in Jerusalem to the point that the level of blood was up the knee level? Who were the Crusaders? Weren't they Christians? Don't get me wrong but referring to the Crusaders does not mean Christianity is a religion that has teachings of spreading terror. But it is the people who distort the original teachings of a respective faith.
Recommendation(s) for you to read and watch: Introducing Islam (a book), Understanding Islam by Jerald F. Dirks, The Abrahamic Faiths by Jerald F. Driks and the recent episode of The Deen Show.
Now, hope you wouldn't say no one provides you with sources. Peace and good day, my friend.
@izuddin151, Hmmm. In a way, it's nice you took so much time to reply. I wonder why, though. To change me or to avert any critical view of something, apparently, so central to your life and identity: Islam. Me, I'm aware that Islam and its history are not as you portray: perfect. "Total respect?" You should know, ie, that being a dhimmi is discriminatory, not respect. Your starting pt. is flawed. Islam (doctrinally) has bigger problems than any other religion. Fix, don't whitewash, it, please.
@12ut5 The issues you raised can surely be discussed e.g. the issue of Dhimmi whereby tax are imposed even upon the non-Muslims (correct me if I am wrong because I am a near-agnostic who is currently still searching). However, I was only replying to your comment which emphasied more on terrorism. Even though you brought up other issues such as abovementioned, the central of discussion is about whether Islam spreads terror.
@12ut5 I do not know which aspect of Dhimmi that you are having an issue with. But what I can suggest you is to read more on Dhimmi during the 19th century especially in Khanate or Khiva (that's a place, btw) and see how even the non-Muslims were satisfied. However, I do not wish to stray from the main topic which you initially brought up. I'll leave the rest of the issues for either you to research more or others to correct you.
@12ut5 And oh -just to share my opinion. Probably the reason why many of us see Islam as distorted because of, apart from the media etc., also the time we live in. Assuming if we were to live and witness during the time of the Crusaders, we'd be blaiming on others. I admit I've not look more into the doctrines of Islam but what I can agree is that yes, some of us are doing our best to solve issues. Yet there are always people who will continue to distort meanings and the original teachings.
why do you cut the part of the interview where she responds to his claim? Just 2 prove your point?
waiting4smtin 1 week ago
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I HATE it when christians degrade themselves. A muslim would neeeeever do that, even if they heard bullshit. If what they heard where uplifting them they would lean back and shut up!! And they are smart for that. They have a brotherhood, when will wwe have the same, and respect and support our religion like they do. Muslims are laughing at Travis and thankning him for being a fool on tv. <<we have to start respecting christianity more and Love christians like they love each other! Real talk!!
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Allinmoderation881 1 week ago
What an honest answer
reece9886 1 week ago
I like Tavis Smiley he is talking as a honest Human being, Ayan Ali lied of her Asylum in Holland which she never apologize yet... and here she is talking like a coward who is very suspicious about her lies on Islam.
julio14335 1 week ago
@julio14335 Tavis Smiley is a racist POS
crookhunter 1 week ago
@crookhunter To whom is he a Racist? To Blacks, Whites, Indians, Chinese or Arabs...
julio14335 1 week ago
the musloid doing the interviiew is such a lier
predonin 2 weeks ago
@MrSteuma Anders Breivik
jedeye15 1 month ago
columbine... seriously. that had nuthn to do with religion just sum kids getting picked on.
j1muzic 1 month ago
tavis smiley is so full of shit......wow
Wahoofuck 1 month ago
This....lady....was expelled from the Netherland for having lied on her immigration status (origin of his assylum was in Kenya) ...and she wants her to believe that her basis are genuine when attacking ISLAM !
GoyUnHuman 1 month ago
The interviewer lies so easily, to others, and to himself
mrthebillman 1 month ago
More--"Shouldn’t the places where Allah was worshipped and His laws obeyed have been at peace and wealthy, and the unbelievers’ countries ignorant, poor, and at war?"
--"Infidel"-Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
mehstgful 2 months ago
Government was very present in this country (Holland). It could be bureaucratic, sometimes stupidly complex, but it also seemed very beneficial. I wanted to know how you do that. This was an infidel country, whose way of life we Muslims were supposed to oppose and reject. Why was it, then, so much better run, better led, and made for such better lives than the places we came from (Islamic lands)?
--"Infidel" by Ayaan Hirsi Ali
mehstgful 2 months ago
morality and virtue is obeying the code and ethics. allways has been. i hate how these rebels try to relable words to the ignorant masses who would not think to look the word up in the dictionary and just believes anything that the Tv or professor says without thinking for the self. These days are a very dangerous time for the brain. the average even above average and intelligent person isn't even aware that cognition isn't the only part of intelligence. cognition in fact is NOT intelligence.
yusufulhas 2 months ago
i find it odd how these sociopathic liars can stand on television and say anything about muslim psychology or culture when there are 13 year olds making love songs and 5 year olds masturbating in classrooms. They seem to think that morality is freedom and they push this idea to the masses that are ignorant of history and knowledge. it's only been 30 years since morality has become the ability to have a kind of unrestricted freedom to engage in any perverse or lawless act.
yusufulhas 2 months ago
Every woman is looking for a man to give them the love their father showed them. Since alot of black women do not have fathers they rebel are uncontrollable and constantly look for a fight. They do not know what they want out of a relationship even if they get good treatment so this is why they will be a constant problem alot of times. In America the children rebel and sometimes tell the parents what to do. if a foreigner wants my advice i tell him don't go anywhere near an american girl.
yusufulhas 2 months ago
Dude is a black nigger.
cabrame 3 months ago
@cabrame The chick is black as well...
fandanstan 2 months ago
i love my african brothers they never lie
MrBigboss20011 3 months ago
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How can Tavis say this,especially those who did the crimes at Columbine,they were atheists,they made that clear.Tavis thinks like a Muslim,that everyone in America is born a Christian,and he even thinks he's one,that's just ludicrous..
CBALLEN 3 months ago
This video exposes Tavis Smiley's stupidity.
rockos414 3 months ago
@rockos414 o really so what about 89000 women and 15000 women that yearly get raped in USA AND UK respectively and many of them are being brutally tortured eventually suffering death?
flexpape 3 months ago
@flexpape Yeah, what about them? What are you arguing?
rockos414 3 months ago
@rockos414 i am saying that " The truth is on the side of oppressed" This woman blames Muslims, Does she know what happens in west with women? Obviously she gets money for that lol. She is proven to be an agent and many of the news articles have exposed her reality. She is no more than a Joke.
flexpape 3 months ago
@flexpape I live in America. Every society has crime, what's your point?
In a Shariah governed society, Women can't even show their hair in public. A woman can only inherit half of what their brother inherits, and in Saudia Arabia women aren't even allowed to drive.
the truth is Islam oppresses women.
rockos414 3 months ago
@rockos414 Hello brothe, Thanks for ur response. Actually we believe in media much not realizing that education teaches us to research and think. This girl here talking is NO islamic scholar and media is treating her as if she was one now.. have u ever met with a Muslim woman? Truth is Islam protects woman. why is that there are more Women accepting Islam in American than men? i will like u if u watch this video and give me ur point of view. watch?v=xXkUgW0-W1M uploaded and made by me. Regards
flexpape 3 months ago
@rockos414 i myself live in Pakistan and i condemn not allowing them to drive, i mean what if any emergency happens? But i don't complain we should raise voices but we can't say anything. They have made the law for themselves and they are not opposing it. secondly showing not hair is a useless thing i mean the Quran says women should hide themselves so they don't get molested but not showing hair is not saving them Also if u know that putting cloth on hairs is must for Men too. watch the video
flexpape 3 months ago
@flexpape
Don't pay attention to their stupid antics. They are animals and are proud to be that. We are human beings. I live here in america born and raised American. They are animals. rude obnoxious filthy perverted.. but it's ok we hate the disease not the people.
yusufulhas 2 months ago
@yusufulhas The most awesome way to get popular and gain money is to publish against Islam and WOAH , HURRAY .. u are THE MOST AWESOME muslim scholar the world has ever produced. (Tho u don't even know what Islam means ) Even Jesus in Bible says that those who are Muslims are his brothers, sisters and mothers
flexpape 2 months ago
"Well, I think we disagree"
YA THINK?
prophetofdoom 3 months ago
The interviewer is a moron.
When was the last time a convinced christian blew himself up for the cause of christianity believing to go to heaven afterwards as "God's reward"?
MrSteuma 4 months ago 4
@MrSteuma Tim McVeigh.
Dawahcorp 4 months ago 9
@Dawahcorp - Timothy McVeigh did NOT blow himself up but "only" the building in Oklahoma nor did he consider himself a christian but rather a right-wing anti-government libertarian. He certainly did not commit his terrorist attack because he expected any "reward from God" in afterlife for committing it.
MrSteuma 4 months ago
@Dawahcorp
You are ignorant and know nothing of Tim McVeigh and his campaign vs the government.
PurePower025 3 months ago
@Dawahcorp Shalom!..lol..Sadly, Sir/Ma'am, Tim McVeigh had nothing to do with it, other than the confused and drugged pawn he always was meant to be..it's common knowledge he was just a CIA pasty and was admittedly indoctrinated into Babylonian Mystery Religion as only a small part of his MK-Ultra time. Look up where he was just DAYS before the bombing, go ahead, and have the guts to follow the trail down the rabbit hole, and you WILL be scared of where you live.
Blessings to you.
Sven3xs 3 months ago
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is certainly very biased. She constantly labels all of Islam as extremist when by numerically Islamic radicals represent a very small percentage of Muslims. I'm a atheist who thinks that Christianity and Islam are just a ridiculous as believing in Scientology so I don't have a dog in this fight. I just hate generalizations. Once you start down that road then you can start saying all black people are this and all white people are that. Generalizations are bad.
RightWingHunter666 3 months ago
@Dawahcorp Tim McVeigh (you spelled his name correctly, so many writers don't) did not claim to be a Christian, nor did he shout "God is Great" or commit his horrific crimes in the name of Christianity. But horrific crimes are committed for the "glory" of Islam throughout the world, continually.
mehstgful 2 months ago 2
@mehstgful
Tim McVeigh is to Christianity what Osama bin Laden is to Islam.
There is no doubt that Timothy McVeigh was deeply influenced by the Christian Identity movement. Christian Identity is a profoundly racist and theocratic form of faith that developed in the late 1970s and spread like wildfire through rural communities throughout the U.S. in the 1980s.
Dawahcorp 2 months ago
@Dawahcorp I don't know about the "spreading like wildfire", but you are correct, there are always sa few rotten apples in every barrel, unfortunately.
mehstgful 2 months ago
@Dawahcorp I don't know about the "spreading like wildfire", but there are always a few rotten apples in everyone's barrel.
mehstgful 2 months ago
@Dawahcorp You're a Muslim liar. Why are there just as many black and even Asian Christians then? Terry Nichols met Muslim terrorist Ramzi Yousef in the Philippines to learn how to make bombs. Why else would he go there? He and McVeigh were Muslim sympathizers.. hell islam is responsible for all terrorist acts in the world. This is what happens when you worship a self anointed false prophet who was a pedophile and assassin.Theres no mention of ole Mohomo in the bible. He was a barbarian
crookhunter 1 week ago
@Dawahcorp on the credit of Christianity, Mc Veigh was a mandchourian candidate (ALTRA brain control program), as were the colombine kids (all jews).
GoyUnHuman 1 month ago
@Dawahcorp Terry Nichols met Ramzi Yousef in Manila to learn how to make bombs. Why else would he be in the Philippines? Nichols and McVeigh were Muslim sympathizers... There is no moderate Islam. The islamic world is going crazy and rioting. Muslims are incapable of self rule.. Their countries are all Islamic dictatorships in cicil war. Saudi is the head of the terrorists.. All but one of the 911 hijackers was from there and OBL was to..Islam is incompatible with modern cultures
crookhunter 1 week ago
@MrSteuma did you just take a shot at islam suggesting we believe in suicide bombing when it clearly says in the quran “And do not kill yourselves, God is merciful with you. And whosoever does that (kills self) with aggression and inequity, we will make them suffer in Hell fire, and this is easy for God to do” (29-30,4)...dont judge a whole religion because of the actions of few..just like the interviewer i could do the same thing too
loso23ish 3 months ago
@loso23ish
They created and funded those people. don't answer them. there a bunch of idiots who don't read. the root of the movement was started by the british and the current movement was started funded and supported by the saudis and cia. It's a western conconction. Muslims do not do these sort of things.
yusufulhas 2 months ago
@MrSteuma
it doesn't matter how u do it. whether it's suicide bombing or apache helicopter. murder is murder stop being stupid.
yusufulhas 2 months ago
@MrSteuma they dont have to blow themselves , they just drop a bomb on a civilian population and smile
MegaKees88 3 days ago
@MrSteuma Get it from Tavis, well answered!!! you were busy written instead of listening.
julio14335 3 days ago
I hate Islam.
TheRealSmacker 4 months ago
@TheRealSmacker You hate Islam, you hate your own humanity, you hate life, you hate decency and morality, = you hate your true self.
Harzburgitic 4 months ago
But when we do this, we are assuming the same background, thought process and patterns. This is empirically untrue. We are all unique within our ourselves and within our groups. As humans, we must constantly seek truth. And in doing so, we realize that assuming is a weak process, and we must constantly strive to know the individual.
Ayaan is nothing more than a malign thug, paid provocateur & pro Muslim basher.
fromwilliams 4 months ago
Birds of a feather flock together, or, you can't judge a book by its cover. Both have some truth to them, but they are far from cardinal truths. The best judge of a persons character can only be done by spending time with them and truly knowing their past, their thought process and patterns. Thus, stereotyping groups individuals together based on our knowledge and understanding of some one we have a close relationship within that group.
fromwilliams 4 months ago
Ayaan's stererotyping places the behaviors of one person on the entire group of people that person belongs to.Therefore you have already judged the entire group of people without ever meeting or getting to know individuals.It's not fair for the others in the group to be judged upon one persons behavior or characteristics.
This is dangerous because it is inflexible & relied solely upon for information processing. When this happens,stereotypes lead to prejudice,discrimination, & social-isms.
fromwilliams 4 months ago
OWNED!!! Much respect for you my Christian brother!
Harzburgitic 5 months ago
@Harzburgitic Oh yeah Columbine was a Christian attack! Fools.
TheRealSmacker 4 months ago
AMEEEEEEN
TheMarriamm 5 months ago
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A hungry women will do anything to get what she wants,and she will accomplish it by lying ,cheating ,We have many black and north africans who looking for papers lying about anything,most of them say they are gay/lesbians or christians or as Ayaan pretend to be victim of genital cutting etc...anything what we the west wants to hear, no wonder the Netherland expelled her. BTW her father was not Muslim
ashbrauw 5 months ago
@13dachronic. Iv already seen it and yes it raises some eyebrows. I lived in holland for four years and iv never been a fan,she's got a big gob but I can't see how people conect coulmbine and Christians. There's so many other things that he could of said.
8496ricko 5 months ago
Bitch Ayaan, you think you are very smart. Well the guy has shit on your face live on TV. ha ha ha.
siruliyun 6 months ago
@siruliyun Dude.... U must be a muslim. No thinking person would take this as a shit it the face... Its not that strange that in america, christians do most of the killings... There are alot(!!) more christians in the U.S then there are muslims. Secondly: Columbine has nothing to do with christianity.... Im not a jew, christian or muslim, but to say she got owned is just wrong... Plz open ur mind.... U want her to be wrong so u toss your critical thinking out the window....
ThulinMartin 5 months ago
In N.America , you are more likely to be killed by a crazy white guy than by an Islamic terrorist.
AbuBishir 6 months ago
Columbine wasn't christian driven, more media and pop culture. First time iv seen her lost for words though.
8496ricko 6 months ago
@8496ricko Columbine wasnt Christian driven, the murderers were Christian, the man never said that it was Christian driven. Anyways you now know that Ayaan is a liar, anyways search up Ayaan hirshi ali exposed, its a four part documentary telling the real story of Ayaan and not the fabricated one that she claims had happened to her.
13dachronic 5 months ago
LoOoOoOoOoL... Reality Check...
sfyr 6 months ago
@MUFC196819992008 Somehow your incorrect...muslims experience mass murder daily by nutheads & military invasions by western countries, thus suffer more casualties the world over. Trouble is anti-islamic western societies applaud & celebrate the killing of innocent muslim men, women & children of those countries far more than muslims celebrating mass murder. I call it double standards. We don't see western countries being occupied by muslims in army uniform, when that happens then c how it feels.
TheTopper2010 6 months ago
this bitch like most foriegners, is just glad to be in America. She doesn't know the history and the examples Tavis mentioned to her....Homegirl white people will agree with you but plz. dont be stupid enough to think they give a damn. In the end you are nothing more than another she-boon for him to use up and spit you out......If you stay in the states long enough you will see.....
sagla13 6 months ago
@TheLucy2020 She is NICE towards him when she shortly laughs at his "statement". The correct reply would have been "ARE YOU AN IDIOT ???" #LOL
sooperfukker 6 months ago
@TheLucy2020 The average muslim propagandist #FAIL
sooperfukker 6 months ago
Cutting off Ali's response means no more Dawahcop videos for me!!!
4ridersify 7 months ago
Spot on Mr Smiley, here is another statistic, he EU Terrorism Situation and Trend Report 2010 found that in 2009 of 294 executed, failed or foiled terror attacks within the EU only 1 was by Islamists...if you don't believe me, google the research yourself, and obv we have the psycho Brevik as a recent example.
MissPallas1 7 months ago
This woman is an opportunistic and people like her are two faced, when they are with Muslims they tell all the bad things they can tell about Christians; when she is with the Christians she tells all the things some Muslim hating Christians want to hear about Muslims. I am sure that any good Christian will not believe this woman as the interviewer exposed her weak argument!. People like her are rats with human faces... They tell what some people want to her! She does not have permanent values!
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ILAHAYKACABSO 9 months ago
who destroy somalia not westren i think somalia problem is arab idea and islamist ideology who destroy somali culture and civilize most arab pple is gay and hatered love ayan hersi and iman, waris dirie some tribe some family who rulez somalia like abdirashiid ali sharmarke, c/laahi yuusuf , how destro somali islamist in mogadhisho legacy will contenous fuck bastard pple
shumey123 9 months ago
@shumey123. Qofyahay iska aamus! Horta mid waxbaratay ma tihid, sida aad wax u qortay ayaan ka arkaa. English bakhtiyay ayaad qortay! Si aad ii fahantana Af Soomaali ayaan wax kuugu qorayaa! Adigoo kale waa dadka la dhumiyay oo loo sheegay in diinta Islaamku cadow kutahay. Dadka adiga oo kale ah ama waa doqomiin qofkii iska hadla iska raaca; Ama waxaad tahay qof gaal raacday oo dhaqankii ka baxday, waji ay muslimka kula soo noqotana aan lahayn. Dadka adiga oo kale ah gaalada way ka liitaan!
ILAHAYKACABSO 9 months ago
@TheLucy2020 I was just thinking that. Except for the idiot part. I want to hear her response.
KrfNYC2 9 months ago
This woman is working hard - for the man - for get her green card. Only the truly lost will believe what she's spews.
Legend1One 10 months ago
Mr Smiley must know what he saying is ludicrous.
mehstgful 11 months ago 3
every day people walk into post offices? What? Tavis you should have the sense to keep your mouth shut when you don't know what you're talking about.
hammertime419 11 months ago
@Amphion1000 Its just great to know she upsets you so much...lol.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
Columbine? That was the best example he had? Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were atheists. Dylan's mother dragged him to shul, and he hated it. I guess davening made his back hurt. Sorry, but in this world, if you see an abortion clinic bombed, sure, you know it was a Christian who did it, but if anything else was bombed, you know it was a Muslim. That's the sad truth.
samdieternel 1 year ago
@samdieternel
last bomb on the news was from the real IRA. guess they have become honorary muslims.
imadhurata 11 months ago
A deceitful video title. Why not show the part where she responds to his point?
JoeJC 1 year ago
Yes so many Christians blowing themselves up and justifying it with Luke 6:27, you know the one that says "be ruthless with your enemies...oh wait no it says love your enemies"...oops must have been verse 29, you know to strike terror into the enemies of god and strike the other cheek...no wait, it says to turn the other cheek...hmmm not sure which verse inspired those "Christians" to "blow themselves up everyday in postoffices and schools".
davidjmcquaid 1 year ago
@davidjmcquaid
forgot about all the warring and smiting of the OLD testement?
imadhurata 11 months ago
Ayaan your irrational fear of Islam is a product of projection: you wish to impose your Atheism upon the masses, and therefore think that all others are out to do the same.
I hope that our eyes are being opened up to the fact that hack tools and opportunists, like you, feel they can control us through fear.
What am I supposed to be afraid of this week?
Burqa women,Sharia law,Muslims,Mexicans,Socialists/Marxists/Communists
Homosexuals...Did I leave anything out?
fromwilliams 1 year ago
"Exposed"? You mean in photographic jargon?
Why is it that when a christian commits a crime, all of christianity is implied, but when a muslim kills, we can't even equate islam with violence?
uknowimrightaboutit 1 year ago
look at this idiot. another muslim apologist. what do you they not get about the difference between INTENT and MOTIVE? did eric harris and dylan klebold kill BECAUSE OF religion? did timothy mcveigh blow up that building because of the words of jesus and his desire to go to heaven? NO
when a muslim kills BECAUSE of islam, beacuse of the koran, because he thinks he will go to heaven for it, THAT'S DIFFERENT
ayaan simply tells the truth. that's why the religion of peace makes death threats.
karlsmith00 1 year ago 2
2:192 But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
2:193 And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
This woman is doing everything for one simnple reason : MONEY. The easiest way to get access to the west and get rich if youre from the east, is to claim to be an ex-muslim that is being followed. Smart technique.
pakifighter 1 year ago
1/2
2:190
Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
pakifighter 1 year ago
"Exposed" lol yeah right, you would need to get up very early in the morning to consider yourself worthy of exposing Ayaan Hirsi Ali. The only thing "Exposed" here is another Muslim trying to protect his desert death cult by slandering an educated female, but isn't that the very nature of Islam anyway.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
that muslim guy is a fucking liar , islamic tagiyya at it's best
MrIhateislam100 1 year ago
LOLLL She's a joke!!
shaikhaf 1 year ago
@shaikhaf you are the joke , she is a hero for speaking the truth about islam
MrIhateislam100 1 year ago
The guy interviewing her is a dope. He knows nothing about Christians and even less about what is going on anywhere at all...
aelialicinia 1 year ago
columbine wasnt done in the name of christianity , so there completely different. but i think more important to realize if you look at the point he made, because there has been awful shit done in the name of christianity, is that ALL religion can justify horrible acts in the minds of the criminals who commit them. muslim extremist are just as wacko as christian extremist. LETS GET RID OF BOTH, im sure there is a logical way of living and morals we can achieve in this day and age
trizzy3333 1 year ago
@trizzy3333 - I agree. But "Islam" is a Theocracy. That is why you see Muslim organizations supporting other religions "legally" to "Blur the separation of Church and state" - Islam, in th context of a "Theocracy" competes very effectively. Case In Point? Lebanon. I never have fear that a Christian is going to run into an Arab Restaraunt, and Yell "I love you Jesus" while he blows up innocent people. But, If I am in Israel, it is very possible, as the Jewish people suffer terrorist attacksdaily
yakov321 1 year ago
GO AYAAN! SHE SPEAK THE TRUTH, SOME DUMB ASS DON"T LIKE IT.
serappia 1 year ago 2
@serappia she speaks the truth and Muslims act like the victims!
They are the most intolerant and backward people on this earth and play the victims.
Their hypocrisy is just too astounding!
Freedomismyreligion 1 year ago 2
she's a liar on top of that i read her first book and she's mad because her family dis own her messing the family's name, for using that man to get to Europe, she lost her virginity to some loser who she thought she was in love with. She blame Islam for her being circumcise which have nothing to do with Islam it's culture. She don't even know what what Islam is about. She is not a scholar!!
kpierre100 1 year ago
@kpierre100 - It is important to evaluate the people who provide information and commentary. However, her deficiencies as a "Human Being" have nothing to do with facts about "Islam" - furthermore, considering "Jihad" worldwide, it is a perfect time for all people, including Muslims, to discuss Islam openly, and work to change the Hateful Ideology that ultimately, effects Muslims more than others.
I have muslim friends, and their "Indoctrination" is rediculous and baseless in fact.
yakov321 1 year ago
To know about a religion read the book of that religion.If a follower does wrong things dont blame the religion.There are good christians and bad christians.Same with muslims.
mfrmfr05 1 year ago
@mfrmfr05 - I disagree. the Koran is quite different from the Old testement and the new testement. It is filled with many contridictions. I think that Islam, not only as a religion, but also as a political ideology (Theocracy), needs to be discussed openly by Peaceful Muslims. It seems that in Islam, there is more Indoctrination, rather than education. The people who pay the price for this retardation, are muslims, who by the way, I believe are good people.
yakov321 1 year ago
Did that guy say Columbine was an act of Christian terrorism?
lolpoolol321 1 year ago
@lolpoolol321 - Yes he did !! and by the way.....?? he is a Muslim posing as a Christian.
yakov321 1 year ago
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is not even her real name, she is a plant who has been outed by her family of all people. She has lied about her experiences her life and refuses to discuss how she got her dutch citizenship in 5 weeks. My wife is an immigrant and after 5 YEARS she is just now going for naturalization. This woman has fabricated her "struggle" and used for fame and money. Google it.
yngliars 1 year ago
@yngliars Hi, may I request what did you type in Google or the sources about Ayaan Hirsi Ali not having her real name and lying about her experiences? I would like to read about it. Hope you can enlighten me. Thanks.
izuddin151 1 year ago
@izuddin151 youtube search "Ayaan Hirsi Ali's Lies Exposed Part 1-4" its in four parts covers her "story" and the inconsistencies.
yngliars 1 year ago
@yngliars - I read her books. I did not find any inconsistencies. Regardless, we need to discuss " Islam" in many forums honestly. I do not want to lose generations of talented Muslims, who hate Jews, hate America, and who are filled with hate ready to blow themselves up and kill innocent people to fuck 72 virgins.
yakov321 1 year ago
@izuddin151 read her first book
kpierre100 1 year ago
ugh she's such a shame to the somali community. she can't even be a coherent atheist. sub'hanAllah.
hibaqay1990 1 year ago
I was hoping for more of the video especially after Ayaan Hirsi Ali mentioned "...you and I disagree..."
I was thinking if her dislike towards Islam was caused by her upbringing and the social norms she used to live in and thus, beginning to generalise Muslims all the same i.e. probably practice terrorism? Or was it that she happened to meet some Muslims who had an issues with her (I wanted to say "bad Muslims" but I don't want to sound rude, sorry)?
izuddin151 1 year ago
Islam is the Truth
muhannad01 1 year ago
Great upload, sir.
sightuponlight 1 year ago
lol 'well i think you and disagree'
NAH
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 1 year ago
Your title's ass backward, friend. So many more examples. What a joke. How many 1,000's of terrorist attacks in the world since 911 by Muslims fully expecting to go to heaven for it? Estimates I've heard are in the 10's of 1,000's. How many acts of terrorism anywhere by Christians who it can be said did it because of their religion, somehow? Need more time? Let me suggest the number you're looking for is very low and doesn't include Columbine or post offices, etc.
12ut5 1 year ago
@12ut5 In the world? He said inside this country. Furthermore those Muslims who are killing innocent people are not going to paradise nor are they Muslims. Killing innocence is forbidden in Islam, they are not Muslim terrorist they are criminals.
yngliars 1 year ago
@yngliars, How could I mention other stats! I guess I should be flogged. OK. Let's just look at "this country." # of terrorist attacks, planned ones, or acts of violence, using religion as justification by people not mentally ill? Stats I'm aware of: involving Muslims, approx. 50; Christians, the Hutari in Minnesota and 1 anti-abortionist. Gi' me more if you got more.
12ut5 1 year ago
@12ut5 How much more dishonest could you be? I dont know where you get your stats from because you seem to have conveniently omitted the 400 yrs of slavery by Americans who used the bible as justification for stealing and enslaving (forcing to work for free) millions of innocent Africans. An act that no Muslim country could come close to achieving. And lets not forget the Native Americans also victims of christian ideology. And I wont get into the inquisition in Europe or the crusades. U fail!
yngliars 1 year ago
@yngliars 1) Google number of terrorist attacks since 911 and ask who did most of them; 2) look at Wikipedia's entry for "Islam and Slavery" (Interesting how there's still slavery in some Muslim countries, isn't it?); 3) What's Islam say you do to polytheists and what happened to millions of Hindus when Muslims invaded India? 4) Dhimitude; 5) Jihad. What's the matter, no self-criticism in the Muslim/Arab world? Must always blame anything wrong on somebody besides yourselves? I disagree with you.
12ut5 1 year ago
@12ut5 do you mean all terrorist attacks or just the ones you want me to look at how about the 400 yrs of terror committed against all of Africa? What happened to the native americans when the europeans invaded? Theres a difference between criticism and hate you ought to look that up. The next time you want to put me or islam down you better bring some cryptonite cause what you wrote is WEAK!!!
yngliars 1 year ago
@yngliars ... yes, yes, and the indians. You wanna trade stuff like this, non-Muslims can do that with you (see my last reply), and yes, Christians and the West have their share of stuff. When Muslims pt. this out, though, it's criticism; when it's pt'd out to you, it's hate (this where I get the death threat now?). This alone makes Islam inferior: not that it's done/doing bad stuff, others have/do, but that it denies it, or continues to do it, instead of saying WTF and flying right.
12ut5 1 year ago
@12ut5 europe terrorized every single country they came across colonized them destroyed their culture their religion their language etc. And what you see today is the result. You see a revolution going on and you are doing the same thing the europeans did before demonize it call it terror etc what a hypocrite. Like I said bring kryptonite next time.
yngliars 1 year ago
@12ut5 be sure to read-up the precise numbers at, loonwatchdotcom.
sightuponlight 1 year ago
@12ut5 After all the replies you received, I would also like to raise the issues of the Crusaders who massacred the Jews and Muslims indiscrimiantely hundreds of years back. Back then, Islam was not a centre of terrorism i.e. was not the source of terrorism moreover those period were much more closer after its revelations than today. Yet in the present we have terrorists who disguise as Muslims.
izuddin151 1 year ago
@12ut5 If in the past Muslim armies were welcomed as liberators and treated the vanquished with total respect (including Christians), leniency and kindness but today's terrorists who claimed to be Muslism do the otherwise, don't you think the past Muslims were more accurate to the practices of Islam since their era was not as far to the time of Prophet Muhammad's lifetime compared to today?
izuddin151 1 year ago
@12ut5 Will that not occur to your mind that somewhere must have gone wrong? And by the way, are you aware that the Crusaders were said to have massacred the innocents in Jerusalem to the point that the level of blood was up the knee level? Who were the Crusaders? Weren't they Christians? Don't get me wrong but referring to the Crusaders does not mean Christianity is a religion that has teachings of spreading terror. But it is the people who distort the original teachings of a respective faith.
izuddin151 1 year ago
@12ut5
Recommendation(s) for you to read and watch: Introducing Islam (a book), Understanding Islam by Jerald F. Dirks, The Abrahamic Faiths by Jerald F. Driks and the recent episode of The Deen Show.
Now, hope you wouldn't say no one provides you with sources. Peace and good day, my friend.
izuddin151 1 year ago
@izuddin151, Hmmm. In a way, it's nice you took so much time to reply. I wonder why, though. To change me or to avert any critical view of something, apparently, so central to your life and identity: Islam. Me, I'm aware that Islam and its history are not as you portray: perfect. "Total respect?" You should know, ie, that being a dhimmi is discriminatory, not respect. Your starting pt. is flawed. Islam (doctrinally) has bigger problems than any other religion. Fix, don't whitewash, it, please.
12ut5 1 year ago
@12ut5 The issues you raised can surely be discussed e.g. the issue of Dhimmi whereby tax are imposed even upon the non-Muslims (correct me if I am wrong because I am a near-agnostic who is currently still searching). However, I was only replying to your comment which emphasied more on terrorism. Even though you brought up other issues such as abovementioned, the central of discussion is about whether Islam spreads terror.
izuddin151 1 year ago
@12ut5 I do not know which aspect of Dhimmi that you are having an issue with. But what I can suggest you is to read more on Dhimmi during the 19th century especially in Khanate or Khiva (that's a place, btw) and see how even the non-Muslims were satisfied. However, I do not wish to stray from the main topic which you initially brought up. I'll leave the rest of the issues for either you to research more or others to correct you.
izuddin151 1 year ago
@12ut5 And oh -just to share my opinion. Probably the reason why many of us see Islam as distorted because of, apart from the media etc., also the time we live in. Assuming if we were to live and witness during the time of the Crusaders, we'd be blaiming on others. I admit I've not look more into the doctrines of Islam but what I can agree is that yes, some of us are doing our best to solve issues. Yet there are always people who will continue to distort meanings and the original teachings.
izuddin151 1 year ago