Steel Comparison - Stainless

[1joshjosh1]

Thank you for this posting,my brain hurts with all this new info!!!

[tmr11059]

420hc in the video should be 420j2....right??

[dontevercomehere]

i have no choic but to side with most of you out there this info is not backed up by any concrete steel chart or nothing except the small details at the bottom of the screen

[jhynesyahoo]

good info, is vg 1 better or worse than vg10?

[jimmyhendrix87]

Of course heat treatment is a very important factor ...and in no way is every 154 cm the same. But this video is totaly out of the ball park.

[jimmyhendrix87]

What?! ...154 cm is tougher then s30v because of its lower carbon....s30v (higher carbon = better edge retention but LESS TOUGHNESS)will shatter before 154 cm. And s30v is way harder to sharpen....where do you get your information from? It seems like your just making this stuff up.

[poneyboy23]

People swear by 12C27 for it's superb edge retention and yet it's kind of dissed here. What's up with that? Ronnie Rocker has two good points.

Where do you get this stuff?

[RonnieRocker]

Sandvik 12C27 is pretty known for durability / edge holding so 2/10 is surprising. Also stain resistance is said to be pretty good, not so equivalent to 2/10.

[JimzOnDroid]

The most hostile comments appear to be from Benchmade fanboys, who are possibly in denial that there are better knife steels available. I like benchmade axis lock, but 154cm steel is a LOW VALUE steel. Meaning you do not get your $200 bucks worth, compared to a more advanced knife steel. I use S30 blade offerings and boy, do they hold edge; forever. I.E. - reeves, ZT etc. I wish benchmade would use it, not sure if there are patent issues. S30V with an AXIS lock and a good design would kick ass.

[poneyboy23]

@JimzOnDroid You can't make a blanket statement like that. It's also dependent on proper heat treatment and other factors. 440C is one of the worst stainless steels in my experience, but there are some custom makers out there who can turn it into a great steel. That being said, I have a 145CM knife and it's good, but not great. I would put it as the "least" of stainless steels that are acceptable. Ironically, 12C27 holds a better edge...

[DJJimCowley]

Good vid and breakdown...... seems like some of this might be off a little but most is bang on.

S30V ROCKS !!!

[SuperMangn]

total bullshit. sharpening 154cm 2 and s90v 3. what the hell, 154cm is 10 times easier than s30v and s90v. go fuck yourself quietbearr

[jcgrayg19]

great video man thanks for breaking it down.

[texasstadium]

Marttiini knives are made with 420 stainless. What type of 420 is it? HC? Anyone like these knives?

[windexfighter77]

Wait... at 1:09 the chart for strength says VG10 has a strength of 5/10 but at the end when you show all of the VG10 specs, it says that it has a 3/10 for strength.... so which is it??

[XxXxXGR3GXxXxX]

one of the gayest songs ive ever heard

[mastermoe1988]

CPM S30V - Toughness 9/10????? What the...?

420HC - Toughness 10/10 but 440c 2/10?????????

I don´t like this very much!

[whitethronebooks]

Sandvik 12C27 is highly praised by Europeans. I am surprised it was rated so low here.

[jons4real]

Is this all researched out? I really have no idea and dont want to trust in someones opinion

[QuietBearr]

@jons4real Then do your own research

[jons4real]

@QuietBearr Easy killer.... I didnt add it to my favs list because I wanted to bash it. I was just asking. So is it....

[QuietBearr]

@jons4real It is

[bigbubba5037]

Very nice video! thanks for posting!

[angryjapanesenigga]

400c was not developed for jet engine blades. maybe you are thinking of ats-34? anyways, jet engine blades are made from Nickel and cobalt based superalloys, using a powder metallurgy process called ultrasonic Gas Atomization, I mention it because its the same process used to make some boutique alloys that you compare eg Crucible S30V

[QuietBearr]

@angryjapanesenigga Boutique alloy? What steel world do you visit the knife world from? S30v is no "boutique alloy" In the knife world (as it was made specifically for the knife world).

Seriouisly, what exierence with steel do you have. Sounds to me like you have very little in knives, but a lot in whatever field you are in. And you think the two relate.

[blackthorn1975]

Awesome video. Makes it all become clear and easy to understand. Thanks QB.

[danysniper22]

Hey, were did you got the square things with the blue things, theyr awesome, its in any website?

[QuietBearr]

what? Square things with blue things?

[danysniper22]

in the video showing the caracteristics of the steels, its very well made

[QuietBearr]

Thanks, but what squares are you talking about, the only blue things are circles, so what are you talking about. To answer any question you may have, I made everything.

[danysniper22]

yea, its that, you made it all yourself? honestly its the best and easyest chart to understand, you should put the imagens online somewere, its really well made!

[TheYellowYak]

Is 154CM really that hard to sharpen? I haven't had to re-profile my BM grips but i usually see them compared to VG-10 in terms of ease to sharpen.

[QuietBearr]

Everything is relative in these comarisons, relative to the other steels in the video.

But yea, 154CM is pretty hard to sharpen. Again, it is all relative to the other steels in the video, not on its own.

Its like the olympics. You cant get 2nd and a half place. There is just 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

[SuperMangn]

Really good for people new to this kind of thing. I bought my first knife 2 days ago. Its blade is made from CPM S30V. Knife reviews on YouTube played a huge part in my choice of steel. I cant wait until a new steel gets made that is better than all the steels currently available. It can only be good for the end user. No doubt its name will start with the letters CPM.

[QuietBearr]

You mean like CPM S35VN? lol, better than S30V, (tougher slightly)

[zx6rtt]

very comprehensive writeup

thanks for the upload

[QuietBearr]

Thanks man, glad you enjoyed it!

[QuietBearr]

thanks man

[SirMrGiggles]

How would ZDP-189 compare to these steels? Is it similar to s30v?

[QuietBearr]

Did you watch my video on ZDP-189?

[SirMrGiggles]

Ah didnt see that. thanks :D

[QuietBearr]

thanks man

[mgbaseballa]

Where does AUS 8 and 8Cr13MoV fit into this

[QuietBearr]

AUS 8 is like 440B, really similar performer. Both 8Cr13MoV and Aus 8 will perform about like 12C27

[BLUNTRUTH4U]

Wow! That's a great, easy to understand way to tell people about the steels. Awesome job! I agree with your ratings almost completely. Interesting how S60V drops points from S30V, then S90V goes back up in points. I can see why they discontinued production of S60V.

I also notice how CPMS30V is the clear all-around winner. My favorite!

5, and Subscribe!

[QuietBearr]

Yea S30V is just about the best right now, I tend to think that is because it was made specifically for knives, where as all the others are not, so it was made to make the highest possible values in the categories.

But still, in my opinion, it is still many times worse in many categories than many non stainless. Maybe I am biased, maybe I am just a non stainless guy, but I tend to see in test results non stainless consistently out performing stainless.

[BiologicalGolem]

wow thats a damn good comparison man.

[QuietBearr]

thanks man

[sc00ny]

Good work lad, great to see this, I only twiched a few times!

Super work & please make more vids, educate, learn & enjoy what you do.

thanks bud

[QuietBearr]

thanks man, I am glad you liked it, lol

[collinbpeep]

hey what bout sandvik 13c26

[QuietBearr]

I say its comparable to AUS 8/440B

[sc00ny]

same as 12c27, mildy better edg rtention, but not as tough.

[Wecanhelp]

whats the second song? thanks!

[QuietBearr]

Iron and Wine - Cinders and Smoke

[QuietBearr]

The first song is also by Iron and wine, Each Coming Night

[severzero]

I have the large usmc kabar. I love 1095 and D2. Ive found i like fixed blades much better than folders haha. I think my next knife will be a small usmc.

[QuietBearr]

1095 in KaBars is actually 1095 CroVan (Sharon 0170-6) which is a great steel, Kabar prior to 2005 just called it 1095, since they have made the distinction, but it was always 1095CroVan not just plain 1095....

Just some info :)

[QuietBearr]

Oh and by the way, I like fixed blades more as well....

Folders certainly have their place, I just tend to like fixed more.

I really wish I could carry a fixed as EDC, but alas local laws prohibit it!!!!

[severzero]

Yea i edc a kabar bk11 and two folders haha.

[QuietBearr]

Man I am jealous, I totally wish I could rock a fixed blade, even a small one!

[severzero]

Hey man is it true that the cs recon and srk are made of AUS8?

[QuietBearr]

Laminated VG-1 or SK-5 for the Recon Scout (but not tanto, the Recon Tanto is AUS 8) as for the SRK its AUS 8.

[severzero]

Yea i was talkin about tanto. Ive been lookin for a mid size survival knife. I think im gonna go for the short kabar.

[QuietBearr]

Have you thought about either the Becker Campanion or Utility Combat if you want something a bit larger, or the KaBar Camp Knife, if you like the large belly, KaBar Bull Dozier is another one that is nice, Ontario Rat 7, or the ZT Military Fixed Blade....

Of course some of those are pretty pricey, like the ZT, but others are cheaper, I suppose it depends on what you want to spend.

[QuietBearr]

You could also try the TOPS Hawk Recon Tanto if you wanted a tanto point....

[severzero]

Hey man do you know what steel 1.4116 is? Crkt uses it on the ultima. I like the knife but not sure how good or bad the steel is.

[QuietBearr]

its like Gerbers 425M, slightly comparable to 12C27.

[severzero]

Hmm so kinda junky?

[QuietBearr]

not a premium steel, but it should do OK, with a decent heat treatment, CRKT is not known for super great heat treats the way that Camillus was, but it is not known for bad heat treats either.

Yea not so great.

If havnt used 425M it is like between 420HC and 440A, or between AUS4 and 6.

Should do OK, but not a very high use steel.

[severzero]

Lol yea i wanted it for high use =( I loved the handle. Oh well

[QuietBearr]

Try it for high use and see what you get. It should be pretty tough just not have the best edge retention.

[severzero]

Whats your fav steel for hard use outdoor knives?

[QuietBearr]

L6 without a doubt (8670M is basically the same thing so that is fine to), but I also like 1085-1095, D2 is good where impact toughness is not required, A2 and 5160 are also great....

Lol there are alot, but the fav is certainly L6.

[PhillieBRidin]

sweet vid 5stars and fav!=)

[QuietBearr]

thanks man

[crusader8]

Finish != Finnish :D Great video anyway.

[QuietBearr]

Yea there are typos all over the place there always are in my vids lol :P

[L4UK0]

great video man!

i just have one question...about stain resistance:

you gave one star to 420HC and 8 stars to 440C, but if im not wrong 420HC is commonly used for diving knives - because of its good corrosion/stain resistance? :)

keep up the good work!

[QuietBearr]

Actually, the more I think about it I was correct, 420HC is not very common in Dive knives, you may be thinking of either 420J2, or 440A, both are used in dive knives, even sometimes 300 series steel....

Sorry if I confused you, I commented earlier that it might be a mistake in my list, but I dont think it was now.

[nycdave212]

Awesome, Man... was looking forward to this one since you first mentioned you were working on this. An excellent reference piece. Definitely helped to put a lot into perspective.

Thanks much for all the time and effort!

[QuietBearr]

No problem man, the reward is in the comments and people watching it! Thanks for both!

[xMikeRiedx]

lol nice video

[QuietBearr]

thanks

[flipalchemy10]

great video bearr, 5 stars

[QuietBearr]

thanks

[thecajunblaze]

Great slide show! Thanks for taking the time to prepare this for everyone. This is very nice.

[QuietBearr]

yea it took some time, thanks for watching

[blan101]

Great Job

[QuietBearr]

thanks man

[redsoxnation32]

keep these comin!

[QuietBearr]

sure will

[beast12101]

the only problem i have is it makes me want to buy more knives

[QuietBearr]

you and me both brother!