EXCELLENT design! Since most vehicles are 12v systems, what kind of results will this unit achieve a 12v test?? The average Joe isn't gonna hook up another battery in series to get 24v, plus even if they did, it's another unnecessary added expense. Just thinking in terms of a more practical application.
Oddssodds use pvc in a U shape and a metal that resists corrosion. Production is not as good but current is lower anyway. I have a cell that separates. I'll try to get mine online soon.
You can seperate the anode and cathode by a membrane or you can put opposing electro magnets on eaither side of your bubbler and that will push the hydrogen to one side and let the oxygen flow to the other.
EDMS is gasket material you can buy at your local gasket manafacturer (Yellow Pages). It works great in caustic environments and comes in various thicknesses which makes it great for flat gasket needs. You can also use shower liner (Home Warehouse Store) if you need an immediate source but you are limited to one thickness. You can also use the black round gastets like from your hardware store but again your limited to what they have. Hope this helps
Your work is very exciting sir. I am planning to try certain ideas. If you don't mind. How does this current cell compare to the ver 2.1 double helix and ver 1.8 double helix ?
The sealed cells are suited to automobile setups, no wet sumps, completely sealed system and expandable to your needs. The DH Cells are suited for stand alone systens like a generator, house heater, etc. They are more efficient but harder to contain.
sir i think your science is right on the nose, but would it be possible for you to record your findings in a manner that excludes the ambient sounds of a happy household, i hope you dont take offence but what you have to say i want to listen to.
Thanks Tony, that was actually the 3rd video I did because my boys want in on the action. So actually that in the quiet version. If theres anything you didnt catch please ask I would be happy to help.
Good job! 4.6MMW is pretty good. I've not tried a dry cell like yours yet but I've read that sealing the edges around the holes in the plates somehow will help increase your efficiency.
I also liked your building technique that was shown at the end there. Very much similar to my own.
based on my calculations your cell is about 49% efficient 18*25*29/3600= 3.625WattHours 2.4 is 100% so 3.625-2.4= 1.225 1.225/2.4= 0.5104166=51% 100%-51%= 49% efficient which is pretty darn good most kits out there are only about 15-20% efficient and sell any ware from $400 to over $1,000 cant wait to see more keep up the great work "LIVE THE HYDROGEN DREAM"
woops sorry its 2.15 not 2.4 got figures at overunity(.)com
1 liter of hho gas produces 7744 joules of energy 1 joule is 1 watt second 7744/3600= 2.15 watthours of energy so for 100% efficiency your cell must only use 2.15 watthours of energy to make 1 liter of hho gas.
heres the calc
volts x amps x time in seconds /3600(1 hour in seconds)= the watthours than you - 2.15 than / 2.15 that gives you how much extra energy you are using and - that from 100 to get the % of efficiency
looks pretty damn good to me ... if I got your numbers right, 18v, 25a, 1 liter in 22 seconds, it appears you are doing a bit better than 6 mililiters per minute per watt ... that aint too shabby ... think that puts your device in the top 5% for efficiency I have ever seen ...
Thanks for your help you were right the power supply was killing the cell. I also love that you say top 5 but it's not that good. I re-checked the time with the video and it was 28-29 sec per liter. But now I can expand on this and see where it can go.
Yeah, if was really 29 seconds, then you are at about 4.6 mmw which seems to be more typical for this type of device. The original Tero Ranta device reportedly got low 6's for mmw using a single hole to support fluid flow ... best I have gotten out of mine is about 5 mmw but it averages more like 4-4.5 ... so you are certainly in the game, but we both have some room for improvment ...
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breeannaqktjbl 1 year ago
EXCELLENT design! Since most vehicles are 12v systems, what kind of results will this unit achieve a 12v test?? The average Joe isn't gonna hook up another battery in series to get 24v, plus even if they did, it's another unnecessary added expense. Just thinking in terms of a more practical application.
Appreciate the research!
mrcobes 3 years ago
See Series Cell 3.1 for a 12 volts system
Fordenergy 3 years ago
That's a great cell Mr Ford! Ilike the design.
cribcat1 3 years ago
Thank you
Fordenergy 3 years ago
Really?
cribcat1 3 years ago
If you wanted to produce the hydrogen separately, how would you do it??
oddssodds 3 years ago
Oddssodds use pvc in a U shape and a metal that resists corrosion. Production is not as good but current is lower anyway. I have a cell that separates. I'll try to get mine online soon.
cribcat1 3 years ago
You can seperate the anode and cathode by a membrane or you can put opposing electro magnets on eaither side of your bubbler and that will push the hydrogen to one side and let the oxygen flow to the other.
Fordenergy 3 years ago
Is that true?
cribcat1 3 years ago
Yes
You can see a design diagram in the D9 document under the Zack West Electrolizer. And also UserName732492 has shown it in his video HHO Test4a
Fordenergy 3 years ago
Thanks Brother!
cribcat1 3 years ago
what is EDMS gasket?
I would like to seal my acrylic container i'm building right now.
Thanks.
bennytan777 3 years ago
EDMS is gasket material you can buy at your local gasket manafacturer (Yellow Pages). It works great in caustic environments and comes in various thicknesses which makes it great for flat gasket needs. You can also use shower liner (Home Warehouse Store) if you need an immediate source but you are limited to one thickness. You can also use the black round gastets like from your hardware store but again your limited to what they have. Hope this helps
Good luck on your build
Ford_Energy
Fordenergy 3 years ago
Your work is very exciting sir. I am planning to try certain ideas. If you don't mind. How does this current cell compare to the ver 2.1 double helix and ver 1.8 double helix ?
thanks for the info.
dart
maxandtara 3 years ago
The sealed cells are suited to automobile setups, no wet sumps, completely sealed system and expandable to your needs. The DH Cells are suited for stand alone systens like a generator, house heater, etc. They are more efficient but harder to contain.
Fordenergy 3 years ago
Great work Ford!
leakfree 3 years ago
sir i think your science is right on the nose, but would it be possible for you to record your findings in a manner that excludes the ambient sounds of a happy household, i hope you dont take offence but what you have to say i want to listen to.
tony
tonypco 3 years ago
Thanks Tony, that was actually the 3rd video I did because my boys want in on the action. So actually that in the quiet version. If theres anything you didnt catch please ask I would be happy to help.
Ford_Energy
Fordenergy 3 years ago
Good job! 4.6MMW is pretty good. I've not tried a dry cell like yours yet but I've read that sealing the edges around the holes in the plates somehow will help increase your efficiency.
I also liked your building technique that was shown at the end there. Very much similar to my own.
Stu :)
MadStu1978 3 years ago
based on my calculations your cell is about 49% efficient 18*25*29/3600= 3.625WattHours 2.4 is 100% so 3.625-2.4= 1.225 1.225/2.4= 0.5104166=51% 100%-51%= 49% efficient which is pretty darn good most kits out there are only about 15-20% efficient and sell any ware from $400 to over $1,000 cant wait to see more keep up the great work "LIVE THE HYDROGEN DREAM"
cyberscann54 3 years ago
Thanks for providing the calculation there - can you tell me what makes 2.4 the 100% figure? I'm confused at to what this actually means? Thanks :)
MadStu1978 3 years ago
woops sorry its 2.15 not 2.4 got figures at overunity(.)com
1 liter of hho gas produces 7744 joules of energy 1 joule is 1 watt second 7744/3600= 2.15 watthours of energy so for 100% efficiency your cell must only use 2.15 watthours of energy to make 1 liter of hho gas.
heres the calc
volts x amps x time in seconds /3600(1 hour in seconds)= the watthours than you - 2.15 than / 2.15 that gives you how much extra energy you are using and - that from 100 to get the % of efficiency
cyberscann54 3 years ago
sorry heres the fix
3.625-2.15/2.15= 0.6860465- 1.00= 0.3139535
31.3% efficient which is still quite good overunity(.)com first calc said 2.4 but after further reading it actualy 2.15
cyberscann54 3 years ago
Oh I see now,
Thanks for that, very interesting stuff!
Stu :)
Sorry for Hijacking your comments Fordenergy! :)
MadStu1978 3 years ago
looks pretty damn good to me ... if I got your numbers right, 18v, 25a, 1 liter in 22 seconds, it appears you are doing a bit better than 6 mililiters per minute per watt ... that aint too shabby ... think that puts your device in the top 5% for efficiency I have ever seen ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
Thanks for your help you were right the power supply was killing the cell. I also love that you say top 5 but it's not that good. I re-checked the time with the video and it was 28-29 sec per liter. But now I can expand on this and see where it can go.
Fordenergy 3 years ago
Yeah, if was really 29 seconds, then you are at about 4.6 mmw which seems to be more typical for this type of device. The original Tero Ranta device reportedly got low 6's for mmw using a single hole to support fluid flow ... best I have gotten out of mine is about 5 mmw but it averages more like 4-4.5 ... so you are certainly in the game, but we both have some room for improvment ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago