The "evil" Hugo Chavez has more than cut in half poverty in Venezuela, and cut the most grotesque forms of poverty by over 70%.
Attacking the opulence of the few is no theft, but a supreme act of justice - as no amount of labor could ever justify the existence of millionaires, let alone billionaires. Such wealth is only acquired through the theft of the surplus value produced by laborers.
That's propaganda... The United States is backing terrorists that are slaughtering the Syrian army and its people but the corporate media in the west is spinning it and saying that assad is killing people.. The US wants to overthrow Assad and install a US puppet..
Pilger speaks a lot of sense, but his leftist views blind him to the totalitarianism is gaining currency in Latin America. He seems to think that corruption in government is good if that government is hostile to the United States.
actually the wealthiest country is Brazil and its goverment is not leftist.. More centrist with a market economy(minus the wall street/federal reserve looting that we have in the states).. The "totalitarianism: is a myth.. Arresting a bunch of people on CIA's payroll is hardly a crime..
to the idiot profribasmat217..chavez is NOT Castro your own goverment accepted the referendum and said that everything went accordingly in Venezuela...Chavez goverment won with about 67%...so go and read..ignorant
@profribasmat217 And compare Cuba (with least capitalism and least American infulence in the Caribbean) with Haiti (with most capitalism and most Us influence) and get back to us eh? The people VOTED for Chavez unlike people of the US who DID NOT vote for Bush. You are a nasty little right wing spud...
@sinccitybabyface You haven't got a clue as to what you're talking about, first off "we" never accepted what the CIA has done in the name of the U.S. You're ill informed my friend, one glance at your channel says it all. Cease and desist 24yr old child, or... you can always go live in your communist (which has a body count of 400+ million of it's own) country of choice.
I think this is still a foreigner's point of view. I wouldn't present Chavez as "la voz de los barrios", i don't think he's a hero, but I prefer him over many REAL dictators and genocides that were very US friendly (and funded). However, I'm Argentinian and so I'm foreigner to Venezuela. BTW, it strikes me that nobody sees a relationship between the junk-bond crisis in US and the fact that most "backyard" nations stopped taking this financial junk since 2k decade (appr)
they are free, they dont needed yours Nintendo, and fucking stupid american slaves democracy, yours justice, and your beautyfull horror american dream.
nixon was with bushed the worse lying criminal two faced ignorant wamongering evil pieces of shit that ever walked or crawled this earth, oh and they don give a shit about americans also they are against all ppl white or black they are about themselfs and their jewish friends to inslave the rest through debt, the logic of banking and industry as only one end, middle class without anything and fat elite over everyone else with logic brainwash against us
Real Democracy means Direct Democracy or a n Inclusive Democracy ...The representative democracy that we have right now does not equate to the definition of democracy........ "Rule of the people"
I am struggling to understand exactly what democracy is. When a child and knew childish things I did in fact believe that I understood what democracy was. I now understand Democracy to mean exactly what the USA says that it is. In every case most countries agree with this view. Life from now on is simple. jsf
not really.. That wouldn't bo sad lol.. It's about an oilgarchy that can use things like the media to give an illusion of a demoracy but it's really an oligarcy.
@xMaXiMuSx I believe you mean Oligarchy...The above definition is correct for a democracy. Are you saying we actually have a Oligarchy? We are technically a republic and do not have mob rule but the Jefferson quote about mob rule is 100% spot on.
I don't know who removed my comment from the other day but I hope it wasn't you 1GangRelated. If it was youtube I'd expect it. Sorry for being pain. I stopped commenting to silent sam on here weeks ago but someone always tries to reply to me now and contradict me.
@Silentsam7532 it's what I think also I rarely see chiense army to any other country than their own ( or if they are in civilian clothing )
actually in Africa and middle east alike they said chinese are the most moral if they compare to USA because they didn't use STRENGTH but Instead they USA what we call Fairchange ( and it's was supposed to be a American ideology)
Vatican-Pope-Jesuits-illuminati-NAZIS-CFR (luciferian jews) run the world. All secret societies, organized religions ruled by an elite bloodline, same bloodline ruling from Egypt 2 Rome British (European) Empire - America Empire (1913 Fed Reserve. Presidents & King stand at whim of the real power which is the priest hood (Priests - Bishops - Cardinals - Pope) standing behind the throne - trying to form it's one world luciferian gov't.
ANYONE WATCHING THIS!! You have to also watch the Documentary "The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein" {A MUST WATCH} PLZ THUMBS UP SO THAT OTHERS CAN SEE THE TRUTH!
ANYONE WATCHING THIS!! You have to also watch the Documentary "The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein" {A MUST WATCH} PLZ THUMBS UP SO THAT OTHERS CAN SEE THE TRUTH!
stealing resources from all over the world is not democracy that is robbing done by the ordinary thief warped up with Teflon suites. The whole world see it now and really see that the emperor has no cloths.
puro bla bla....!! que tristeza que haya tanta gente credula.... y como siempre los que estan en el gobierno son los beneficiados de todos los privilegios.... los pobres tontos pagamos las consecuencias ... todos estos politicos son iguales !!
Chavez is a communist dictator, he's best friends with Fidel Castro another communist dictator. he's not a man of the people. venezuelans have come in droves to the US to escape him! so please don't be fooled.
@YourOasis97 Chavez can not be a dictator since he is democratically elected. I think you are the one letting yourself be fooled.
Plus, at least ideologically, communism is about the people, even though there has been bad communist governments, like in Russia. Democracy has also had bad governments, like in America.
You can not blame an ideology for the mistakes of a government. Just because a government spouts a particualr ideology does not mean they follow it.
@Silentsam7532 excuse me but do you have friends who have risked their lives to come to the USA? do you have friends who lived there? your the one thats fooled. "democratically elected" right. ask any venezuelan. they ALWAYS try to vote him out but he ALWAYS wins. is that democratic? suspicious, no? they LOATHE him with a passion. he's BEST FRIENDS with a communist dictator called Fidel Castro of Cuba my FAMILY'S homeland who risk the atlantic ocean on a makeshift raft to come here.
@YourOasis97 Yes I have known many people from different nations who have struggeled to get to out of their home nations.
Go get your facts straight and learn that there are different groups that hate and love him. The ones who love him are the poor and the native people.
I have known a senators son who told me about how western nations raped their countries for resources, and how another nation dealt with communist China who gave them roads and hospitals instead of debt and corruption.
@Silentsam7532 i know some love him, usually the ones in positions of power. i know and met MANY poor people who loathe him with a passion. so "go get your facts straight." otherwise, why would the POOR come here?
@Silentsam7532 Chavez controls the media, he decides what programs will be shown or not. just yesterday at my job, i work as a cashier at Michael's and a venezuelan woman came shopping and told me she needed to keep the receipts because they set limits as to how much you can buy overseas when its HER money that she earns. its not communist per se but almost. very fascist like. her words, not mine. he adores Castro too. Communism has never worked, never will. It's not the ideology I blame but
@Silentsam7532 you obviously haven't lived there or have family or friends who live in such places so please be quiet about matters you know nothing about. the cuban people are STARVING. my cousin came on a make shift raft crossing the atlantic ocean to florida with her two daughters! most of my family immigrated here. they ration their food. we have to send $ over there to support family members or they'd die! they come here looking like skeletons! i don't doubt western banking and corporate
@Silentsam7532 and corporate interest but to think the latino leaders are so well loved and wonderful is wrong! they don't give a crap about the people. why then do they come by the THOUSANDS, many dieing along the way, to the USA? learn the history of castro's coup. he kills men and women who openly disobey him! if you don't claim yourself as a communist your only left with the crumbs. he raped the land. some place can't be used to farm anymore. some women prostitute themselves to tourists.
@Silentsam7532 how is he evil? let's see: he KILLS and STARVES the people to death! don't tell me that's not observable evidence cos i see how my family members have suffered, risked their lives to come to the so called "promised land." he controls and watches everything. christianity was abhorred. my uncle's brother died last month from something that could've been evaded here: his heart. here he'd get a pacemaker. over there no such operations are allowed. unless u have dollars, are in a
@YourOasis97 America starves Cuba, not Castro. If America would let more countries deal with Cuba then things would not be as bad there.
I was mainly assking about Castro though because Cuba is a nation I know very little about. My aunt was at a dinner with Castro once, but that is all i know of him.
People leave Cuba because it and they are poor. I really think that is more America's fault than anything.
@Silentsam7532 its PARTLY america's fault. but ALSO castro's fault. since he doesn't give a damn about the people either. try to stop looking at it one sided and putting all your eggs in one basket. there is never one side to a story. and there is *never* one culprit. some within his ranks plotted to kill him but they failed. they LOATHE him with a passion. im willing to bet my money that the american government supplanted castro there as they did in Guatemala&El Salvador. mind you the one
@Silentsam7532 before castro came along wasn't so great either but he was better. why do you think cubans are republicans and don't like democrats out of fear the left wing can turn to socialism? why do you think they hate communism? its only natural after what they went through never mind if its just an ideology but when put in practice its not an ideology anymore. it can very easily become a source of "evil." cuba was quite prosperous before he came along. now there's nothing left but misery
@Silentsam7532 position of power/communist,& for the poor there are NO technologies, medicines available to them at all. their malnourished. my mother used to get by on only eating rice&beans ONCE a day since they were 9 mouths to feed, her brothers and sister. why would a cuban risk their lives on a makeshift raft 6 times, each time failing until the 6th time when he finally made it to the USA? my little cousin had worms when she arrived 5 years ago coming out of her butt! so i ask u is he evil
@YourOasis97 People need to learn to tell the difference between evil, and communism. Communism is not at all evil. It is an ideology, that is all.
It is usually never followed properly and has never been bad for economies, but it is not some great evil. That is just the left over thinking from old American propeganda.
America and multinational corporations rape a land, and when the peopl try to stop that they are considered evil...
@Silentsam7532 your twisting my words or did you not read? i never said communism was evil. all i said was it DOESN'T work, never has never will. go back and read what i wrote. not for the people anyway. i said the LEADERS are evil. specifically castro and chavez, as most government heads in any "ideology" are. if not evil, at least dishonest without good intentions. and again i don;t think your reading my words clearly. i NEVER said america was paradise or the corporations. i know full well
@Silentsam7532 what they have done in guatemala and other countries. propaganda you say? go watch the documentary the century of the self and you'll learn what REAL propaganda is, and its not controlled or spouted from this right vs. left BS. but from the government itself. communism has been DONE in the name of evil: greed which IS the root of all evil. remember the USSR and what they did to the dead bodies? wanna live in Cuba or some other latin country? go tell them communism is not evil.
@Silentsam7532 and let's see what response you'll get. NATURALLY the *people* think communism is evil especially those who have lived under it. stop thinking american and put yourself in *their* shoes. i'm not gonna waste my time with you since you clearly don't understand or don't want to understand what i'm trying to convey to you. unless you have first hand experience of what its like or stories from family and friends you can *never* know or understand their suffering.
@YourOasis97 I say what I say because of people who lived in these countries. I also say what i say because of things learned in school. Really there is not any side that has not killed people, and we can not declare who is right by a body count.
You say Chavez kill people, yet the dictators American's often put in don't just kill people, but sell them out as well.
Oh, and how do poor people from Veneseula get to Miami? You sure they were poor and not the upper class who fled?
@Silentsam7532 And I say what I say from personal experience and personal contact from those people. School doesn't always tell the truth, much less the history books. It's actually indoctrination but that's another matter altogether. Why do I have to repeat myself? I never said Chavez kills people, I said CASTRO'S regime does. Please read my comments again. Castro and Chavez have sold the people out as well. Trust me, when your poor and desperate you'll find ANY way to get in even illegally
@Silentsam7532 (cont.) ask any Mexican which I have. Some don't fly over straight from Venezuela they go from country to country crossing borders into Mexico and then through here. My best childhood friend is Venezuelan and her family came when she was a baby. They weren't destitute in Venezuela but they certainly were not upperclass. Yet they fled. But their still considered poor now.
@Silentsam7532 i know how much damage they've done but Castro has done much more damage. there are no corporate interests in Cuba except maybe guantanamo prison. go talk to a cuban who just came here not long ago. my WHOLE family went through hell just trying to come here. some who thought they were traitors for leaving threw eggs at them. so don't give me that crap that castro is not evil. do your own research, learn spanish and talk to a cuban. the BS your parroting to me is NOT reality.
@keldius did what also? lie to people, make false promises? commit acts of violence and treason? of course. so did obama, so did every other president since probably the 1900s.
@Silentsam7532 those in power who ABUSE any system of government for their own gain. i know democracy has and is being abused right now in the USA even and other countries. but don't be fooled by this silly little story Chavez made up about how poor he was,& how good he is, etc. He's nothing but a liar, a cheat,&a selfish bastard. He was elected cos he fooled the people thinking he was gonna make good. but he hasn't, never has, never will .Same way Castro did, same way any politician does.
@YourOasis97 America has done terrible things in Latin America. Most people who study history know this stuff already. Its only those who don't have the education who think it is lies.
@Silentsam7532 you think i don't know that? but have you stopped for a minute and thought that these same "leaders" are benefiting for all this. many in other countries make secret deals with americans. to believe in a "leader" is good especially Chavez and Castro is the same as believing pigs can fly. i know america has been and is downright evil. but try living in cuba for a day, put yourself in their shoes. or are you parroting mainstream media? yes there is propaganda against chavez but he
@Silentsam7532 also cuts them off, as he did one time of a program that spoke ill of castro. corporate interests are horrible but so are "leaders" who consider themselves worthy to be above the law and hurt the impoverished ones.
@YourOasis97 The problem is that this is so much like a lot of American history that its not at all unbelievable. So why try to deny it and say it is a lie?
"Democracy" is the worst form of government. Our founding fathers hated the idea of a Democracy. In a Democracy, 51% of the people can deprive the other 49% of their liberties.
America was established as a Republic, where a single individual is protected by certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away no matter how many others vote to do so.
@cashmny78 democracy is Not a form of government is an ideology where the people vote for their representant you can have it in a Non republic place like Japan and Canada
the form of government you think is republic/ there is also a Theocracy a Monarchy an anarchist ( quite rare its what w ehave in iraq now ) despotism also ( other form of didactorship)
They say it all the time and eventually it brainwashes the poor souls (with short memories) in the USA, who then support their government in whatever action it then desires to remedy their problem. Remember how they killed the Panamanian President over the canal treaty ! And the Equadorian President for nationalising Equadors natural resources !
It's always the same, as soon as someone comes along in a country that has something that the USA wants, and that person wants to change things for the betterment of his country, which then is adverse to the interests of the USA, the USA then immediately start to denounce and bad mouth that person. They'll (USA) say hes a dictator, they'll say he's corrupt, they'll say anything and usually just make up the critisism to portray the developing countries new hero into a demon.
Chavez isn't presented in this film as the better leader or as a more legitimate alternative regime. Pilger shows that Chavez's rule is actually really similar to the way the united states exploits and how the elite in Venezuela are actually benefiting most in the oil business, how the "poor are still poor" etc. What John Pilger is really showing us is that the US is very, very threatened by this offshoot or variation of capitalism that has socialist aspects, and how the US tried to destroy it.
Marxist film-makers who take a public stand FOR democracy and freedom?
Now I've seen it all.
I've read "Das Kapital" and I haven't really found too many segments espousing the advantages of democratic rule.
Why do they bullshit us so?
Extremist Leftists are psychopaths, misfits, hypocrites, and charlatans of the highest order. Also, they have no cheek: they will unashamedly pretend to defend all those things that they hate with a passion: freedom, democracy, and the truth.
@FedorEight you say extreme leftists are psychopaths etc... Well, the u.s.a empire is full of killers, just look at what one of the former CIA people said when John was saying that there were thousands of killings, the cia guy said very comfortable "it was two hundred". Ok, so two hundred of murders are just nothing?? It is just insane that some people still believe that the usa government was doing or is doing the right thing, especially some usa citizens who support the killings
Yea...Capitalism fails..ha? how about your socialism and communism? where is communism in China? USA is rich not because it manipulates the world around...but it is rich and powerful because you all are f****** loosers....if you want beat it then compete with it rather than cryling like little girl...it is the competion that capitalism creates and idenitfy the loosers like you all..
@sambu5 America does manipulate the world, through covert actions of the CIA running around in people's countries, arming and funding military coups to overthrow governments that America dont agree with, just so they can keep a government that will allow them access to the resources to make them more powerful, the american government is garbage!!
@sambu5 You could classify the USA as a second world country. And there is not such thing as capitalism in the USA. Capitalism is about free trade between free individuals. Waging war against another country, murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians, has nothing to do with capitalism. It's about extreme violence. You want competition? Let's say 9/11 was caused by Al Qaida, is that the competition you are talking about? Americans shouldn't cry like little girls because of 9/11: competition!
I was translating once for some investors from UK&Australia in Dubai yrs. ago. THe topic of wages came up. 1 extremely wealthy individual said, "Oh, sure, quadrupling the wages of workers wouldn't hurt our purses in the least bit. But in the long run; it would lead to chaos." Population explosion was the main concern. The other was control. Hungry, "desperate ppl. are eager to work. And you gotta have everybody working. ..." he said.
Interesting documentary, albeit illustrating Pilgers typically niave view of the world. So when exactly did Chavez's Venezuela become this democratic utopia. Power cuts, food shortages, President for Life and crime out of control.
OK, some terrible crimes were conducted in places like Chile and Argentina, but he seems to conveniently forget that there was a cold war. So what should the USA have done, just let them all become Soviet states. How many people died in communist China and Russia!
@hkpho0ey and how many people died in USA politics??? You say that he forgot about the cold war. The cold war is something that many people know about. It is taught in schools, you can find information in the internet, in books, in movies. But these masacres ocurring in latin america are secrets, why? because of the control of usa over latin america. That's why pilgen forgot about the cold war, because this latinamerican history has been hidden.
@MORAGAKAT No one can argue terrible things happened in South/Latin America, but to solely blame the Americans is naive. My Brother in Law lived in Communist Romania and can assure you plenty of people were murdered their too.
The simple truth why the massacres are hidden not because of America, but because to most of the world they are unimportant. Some Soviet funded left wing terrorists being killed in South America is not going to concern most people outside the region.
@hkpho0ey Why would it be naive to only blame the USA ??? They were the only country meddling !!! Give us someone elses name then, if you can.
The massacres were unimportant to the rest of the world ?? Are you mad ?? Didn't you see how the muslim world reacted over 9/11 ?? They hate the USA, and they care about what happens. And there would have been the same reaction in plenty of other places, probably South America also.
@othres1 So 9/11 was about South America? Ha Ha. Give you credit thats a good one.
Please do yourself the favour of reading a little history as at the moment your making yourself look stupid. Although I assume you are a 'red shirt' so that would explain your intelligence level.
@hkpho0ey I didn't mention anywhere that 9/11 was about South America. I didn't even imply it. You have greatly missed the point of the comment, which was plain and very, very simple.
And you think I'm a Red Shirt ??? Well you're wrong again buddy ! I despise Thaksin. This also has nothing to do with the topic at hand, so why bring it up ??? Your wrong and you're failing to keep to the discussion.
@hkpho0ey Everybody hates the USA and cares about the evils that it perpetrates. The reason that the masacres were hidden is the same reason any murderer doesn't go around announcing his dirty deeds. Because it's "BAD" as George W would say. Your middle name must be "naive" if you think that nobody in the world outside these areas cares about these events, or that the USA isn't solely responsible for all the hardship caused in South and Central America.
@MORAGAKAT This wouldn't be the same USA who saved Costa Rica from Communism in the 1940's and who helped build your economy. Gave you democracy and obviously allowed you free speech.
Now try moving to Cuba, Venezuela or China. See if you have the same freedoms you take for granted.
@hkpho0ey The USA doesn't save anybody from anything, it just imposes it's own desires onto others. The only thing that the USA has against communism is that it isn't capitalism, and therefore doesn't serve the USA's interests. The USA has the large corporations and it wanted them planted everywhere in the world so profits come back to it.
@keldius Actually China becoming communsit is very big competition against the USA. The only way its means big bucks to USA is the laons America needs from China to survive.
Its hard to say but China might be one of the best things to stop multinational corporations from having complete freedom to exploit the world.
China actually helps poor countries in exchange for resources, and doesn't exploit them.
@hkpho0ey What the hell do you think the USA has been doing running around the world for the last half century !!! Just illegally invading countries to depose their governments and replace them with someone that's sympathertic to the US cause !!! The USA doen't give a damn about democracy or free speech. It doesn't have it in it's own country, and deosn't want it. Nothing but lies come out of the USA, and the morons with the short memory listen.
@hkpho0ey You're not very good at this, are you !!! You're actually getting worse because the USA is the last place on earth that I'd want to go to.
So, wrong again sunshine !!! And AGAIN nothing to do with the topic at hand. You're wrong, you're failing to keep to the duscussion, and you really shouldn't be touching on the subject of intelligence because you clearly don't know anything about it.
@hkpho0ey And history is not in the books, sunshine. It's lying dead in fields that nobody knows about because the perpetrators don't want yoy to know about their involvement. That's a free one for you that you don't have to look up in any book, so read that.
@hkpho0ey Did you see the stupid looking grin on the face of George Bush in the video clip when finished talking about El Salvador, after he told the woman to "be Quiet ?" Bush didn't even beleive his comments himself. Now THAT is history, son !
Have you gotten the picture yet, sunshine ! I'm trying to help you !!!
US government and fucking CIA keeps on using democracy as weapon to interfere in other countries' affairs. They are the biggest trouble makers in the world !!!
this documentary paints too rosey a picture of Chavez, dont get me wrong i admire the man for what he has done for his country but he is by no means perfect. whilst rightly exposing the cruelty of previous US governments it is creating a bias in favour of chavez.
@ThyRootster OK There is saying in my country that goes like this "Viví con el". This means that from outside it may seem like its heaven, but when you live with him, it absolut hell. I dare you to come to Caracas so you can see that all that you see from Chavez is merely goverment propaganda. And to be fare try not living on 1 minimum wage, I'll give you 6 minimum wages.
@colme71 Western propaganda generally makes a fool of Chavez, but every clever person knows that capitalism will eventually only favour the powerfull. He has privatised your oil industry - this was the best thing he could of done. In Norway the Government owns 50% of the big oil company Statoil - this has made it one of the most prosperous countries in the world. You have to start somewhere and trust me poor people in the USA probably have it as bad as you but at least you still have spirit left
@ThyRootster Hey by the coment you just made I understand you know NOTHING ABOUT VENEZUELA. PDVSA is a State Company since 1975. Until 2002 its only purpose was to extract, produce, market oil. Since 2002 now that is the less thing it does. Please learn about Venezuela before you make comments like that you like Chavez. I see that you know nothing about my country. Only what the propaganda has taught you.
@colme71 You're right I don't know much about Venezuela, but I certainly know alot about capitalism and how companies by there very nature will try to exploit and profit as much as possible where ever they go - I work in the oil industry and have worked very close to Venezuela in Trinidad as well as many other places in the world - I suspect that you are probably a rich Venezuelan. And may I say again the propaganda is all against Chavez not for him and like said below he is better than UncleSam
@colme71 Venezuela has been in shambles from western imperialism. Venezuela was forced to adopt neo-liberal economic policies which opened up the nation to forein investment which is a cover for foreign ownership. What happens here is public wealth is transferred into private hands. Government power is eroded and you have a private tyrrany. At this time esstential goods which were publically provided are now privately owned where people cannot afford. public services are removed and are pa
@colme71 pay as you go. Massive layoffs, huge spike in unemployment and people below poverty line drastically increaeses. Look at the statistics, these are the facts. there is much more to list here. Chavez renationalized the oil industry which pissed off the west because he is now using the profits of the oil industry to provide for the Venezualen people. Democracy is good for the west as long as it profits them only. Chavez represents his people and latin america and should be a hero.
@colme71 yes, you cannot drive your Ferrari anymore that you bought off the money that was meant to feed the poors. you were one of the children of the PDVSA, un burgués cabrón a quien le ha tocado trabajar ahora, now you have to work to make your living and you are pissed off, i can understand that though ...
@velero24 venezuelans and cubans loathe him. that's why venezuelans try to come in droves to the US to escape from it. he's never been democratically elected. i have venezuelan friends. he's best friends with a communist dictatcor called fidel castro of Cuba, my family's origin.
@YourOasis97 Their media is not any control at all. Why else is their media putting out propeganda against him? What you say goes agasint all observable evidence.
@Silentsam7532 observe? how can you observe if you haven't been there?? the MAJORITY want him out. they tried voting him out months ago and they did but he makes himself win EVERY TIME. so please go parrot your mainstream BS to someone else.
@YourOasis97 Is it the capitalists that want Chavez out, or the native people and the poor? It seems that the poor like him...
I just never consider an enemy to America to be evil just because America claims it is so. America has a history for taking out elected leaders that will not sell their nations out to American interests and putting in dictators. This is taught in history and political science classes.
@Silentsam7532 communism is about having only TWO classes with no middle class, read marx's book. also the redistribution of wealth by the state.but who in their right mind will trust the state?!they can just easily take away your food as give it to you as they have done&still do. its about controlling the masses. again, stop thinking American. i never once mentioned america. i don't think he or it is evil cos of the "propaganda" as you call it but cos of the DIRECT stories i get from POOR
@YourOasis97 I find it funny that people think the state is so wrong. People often think that the free market is good and that the state is bad.
In reality the state is voted in by the people so the state is the people. Its not redistribution when the government provides social programs paid for by taxes.
@Silentsam7532 i wasn't talking about america although i don't believe votes count here either. you really need to speak to someone else from those countries. castro was NOT voted in, he forced himself in and wooed the people with false promises.
i don't trust the State anymore than I would a murderer, a rapist, or a suicide bomber. every time the State gets involved things get worse and more complicated. its a bureaucracy not a democracy. well almost authoritarian too.
@YourOasis97 There are many nations that have been ruined by American and or European influence. There is a lot going on out there that many seem to be unaware of.
Yes, education is indoctrination by definition, but I think you have a warped view of the word indoctrination. People need to put more value in education. Just because you learn something in school doesn't mean you can not question it yourself. often your asked to do your own research.
@Silentsam7532 Yes, I know. I know all about Guatemala, and El Salvador, also now Iraq and the middle east but those govts are in cahoots with them too. Yes you do have to do your own research and question everything which I do but they don't teach that in school plus the media is always in the way controlling what people ought to think, wear, do, etc. Only 5 teachers in my whole "academic" career have told me things that weren't in textbooks and specifically told me to think for myself.
@YourOasis97 Its not just Latin nations, there are also nations in Africa as well.
I am not sure if your talking about Highschool education or University though. It is very different once you get past high school. In university your almost always taught things not in the textbooks and told to research things for yourself.
I was surprised to be taugt things in University that people on the internet often say "they don't want you to know". The truth is they do want you to know and teach it.
@Silentsam7532 i know about africa as well. and university is no different from highschool sometimes depends where you go and what teachers you have. i'm in college now and just took a "critical thinking/ethics" class and hardly learned anything. i've learned more on my own when it comes to that. i did learn more math though than ever before. the first teachers to tell me to think for myself were social studies teachers in highschool: my history, psychology, and philosophy teachers.
@YourOasis97 Its good to see your starting an education. Its too bad its in America though, their systems really lack unless its one of the top schools.
University is far different than highschool in my opinion. The teachers care more, the students care more. In political science class I was lucky to have a teach that has travelled the world and worked to help the poor.
The American way does not work for the world, and socialism is not the evil thing American's are taught.
@Silentsam7532 well yes i have met college professors who do care but i also met some who don't. i may be american but America did NOT teach me about socialism, I LEARNED about socialism/communism FROM my family. they went through hell! my mother only ate 1 meal a day, usually just rice and beans. 9 people under one house, starving, and all skin and bones. you call that great? america's ORIGINAL way did&does work. democracy works, socialism doesn't but america has become more socialized every yr
@YourOasis97 If you know much about Africa, then you know that IMF and World bank influence is causing lots of problems. America is the biggest part of the World bank, and its influence has turned it into a weapon to threaten and control the poor nations.
Hopefully China will continue to help so that countries do not get caught in with these terrible organizations.
@Silentsam7532 oh yes i'm all for the destruction of the world bank and the IMF, the UN, etc. if i could i would, it breaks my heart to see what africans must go through and see no real progress.
@Silentsam7532 i wasn't talking about america although i don't believe votes count here either. you really need to speak to someone else from those countries. castro was NOT voted in, he forced himself in and wooed the people with false promises. i don't trust the State anymore than I would a murderer, a rapist, or a suicide bomber.every time the State gets involved things get worse and more complicated. its a bureaucracy not a democracy.well authoritarian too.people vote out of misunderstanding
@YourOasis97 Well Castro is a different story anyway. Chavez has actually done good for the poor in his nation, and it is well known that those who were against him often flee to the US. They may fall for the American propeganda against him, but I don't care.
The world needs more leaders willing to stand up to the US. They are building an empire that is already showing signs of failing.
Capitalism is sometimes good, but does often not work. There needs to always be some sort of socialism.
@Silentsam7532 We'll have to agree to disagree on Chavez then. I've met some poor ones who do loathe him, Cubans do too especially. It does not bode well if your friends with a communist dictator. They don't fall for any propaganda they the realities of it because they lived there and have families there. He may stand up to the U.S. but like I said that does not make him an honorable man, he is FAR from honorable. but once we have some sort of socialism they always push for more as they do now
@YourOasis97 Chavez has done some very honourable things, and no government installed by America has ever been one to help its people.
Chavez put the poor people on the map, literally. He has helped them with education and the poor. he is not nearly as socialist as you think. Many in his country think he is not socialist enough.
It is only one nation though, and is nothing to the American Empire. Its not going to change unless Americans fight their own government.
@Silentsam7532 no he hasn't. the poor used to eat arepas and now he took that way and they can;t even eat that anymore. he controls the media and what they watch. is that man honorable?
@YourOasis97 Well considering the media is free to speak out against him, I doubt he controls it. They idea that he denied some food stuffs to them sounds wierd as well. You sure your not just hearing strange rumors?
@Silentsam7532 no, i listen to spanish speaking news and have spoken to venezuelans themselves who have family over there. and are *you* sure your not parroting the same disinformation and propaganda from this state and from chavez himself? if he does not allow spanish speaking U.S. aired programs that speak ill of Castro does he not then control the media? and is it not then communist in itself? and hasn't history shown us that communism never works for the people but for those in power? thus,
@Silentsam7532 he *is* an immoral man. yes, the wealthier ones left but the poor have no choice but to stay there and suffer. i have friends from venezuela so please do not speak of something you do not know of from first hand experience or as told by someone who lived there and has family there. independent radio stations not of mainstream media report the real news from there and interview them from that country as well. learn some spanish, then you'll know. yes they can speak out agains him
@YourOasis97 The only things I have seen about Chavez is that the poor love him, but some poor hate him for not doing enough. He is not nearly as socialist as some would like him to be.
The people faught hard to put him back into power when he was taken down with CIA help and some dictator put in.
If the people don't like him then why did they all work together to get him returned? Why did western media lie about his actions and the actions of those who support him?
@Silentsam7532 but he doesn't care cos he rules over them. and *always* is "elected" when the majority always vote him out yet he always wins. doesn't that sound suspicious to you? as if he bought the elections or uses propaganda to win favor for those who like him?
@Silentsam7532 forget america for once! just judge chavez for what he has done and he is not honourable at all if the people are starving and he can control what they watch! they only watch him talk and talk. isn't that socialist/communism? isn't that what the soviets did? what hitler did? what castro does? if he is best friends with a communist dictator and agrees with his policies then obviously he is one to watch out for not admire. i think you have a weird idea of what socialism is.
@Silentsam7532 the free market is good, it allows open competition thus to compete and get more customers one business might lower their prices and the consumers have more options.
@YourOasis97 Free Market can be good, but it needs the state to watch over it and regulate it. Canada does regulate its banks, and this is why our banks never failed like America's did.
The rich in America and corporations have the power to influence the government, and the people have next to no say in anything.
Unless the American people learn how to make a change, they will never have a government that represents them. Lobbyists will always hold the real power until then.
@Silentsam7532 I'm afraid you have to dig deeper my friend, it goes much deeper than just corporations, lobbysits, etc. Maybe some regulation is needed but too much of it&its "1984." It's fractional reserve banking that causes the problem, ever since the Federal Reserve Act of 1910 things have gone downhill. read or watch the author on youtube talk about his book The Creature from Jekyll Island.A private banks controls and issues the money to congress on a loan with interest.Biggest mistake ever
@YourOasis97 Its funny that you don't trust the government (which we shouldn't) and yet admit that privitising the banks has had such a bad effect on both the economy and the freedoms of the people.
The government should run certain things. The military, the police, prisons, fire halls, hospitals/healthcare, and the banks. These things should never be privitised and yet half of them are in America. Its a scary nation when prisons are run for profit, and can lobby for tuffer laws.
@Silentsam7532 i never said anything about privatizing banks. i said banks control the economies world over but the government lets them get away with it. they are *both* bad because government controlling banks is just as bad if not worse than a private bank. its the monetary system and how they print money thats the problem, not regulation. everyone here wants more regulation but thats a highway to hell. and no they should nut run healthcare. go ask the brits, and they'll tell you they are
@YourOasis97 The governmenty should run health care. Yes, ask us Canadians, and the brits. it is far better than the old American system in almost every way. We gety better health care, and we get it without worry over how it might cost something.
Also lack of regulation was the problem for American banks. The government controlling banks is a good thing, because the country has more of an interest in the banking staying stable. Unregulated derivatives markets caused the whole problem.
@Silentsam7532 health cuts as we speak, cuts on personnel, telling people to take care of their own at home cos there aren't enough paramedics to go to their homes so their telling the sick to bring them to the hospital themselves. its all in the news in the telegraph and the daily mail. it is SO bad the people are suffering big time and our coming national health care is going to use their example. you want that for your future, for your kids? cos i don't. not saying health care is great now
@YourOasis97 You obviously don't know what your talking about when it comes to other countries health care. Socialised medicine is superior in almost every way. It costs less and it does more.
Going to Brittain, Canada, even Cuba you can see that they all have a better health care system.
You get your info from the worst possible sources it seems and really need to broaden your horizons.
@Silentsam7532 no you don't! what utter BS! your telling ME, me who comes from a cuban family FLEEING cuba? they have no medicine in cuba! no technology! only if you have dollars or if your tourist can you afford to get good quality. people are DYING! they treat themselves through witch doctors and herbal remedies though i highly support the latter but there's no surgery available for them. you can go to the doc yes but he'll say, sorry were all out of medicine and tools.YOU need to broaden your
Democracy is like picking your rapist, at the end you know your gona get fucked
simontimon2 1 month ago
VIVA HUGO CHAVEZ
VIVA OLLANTA HUMALA
VIVA EVO MORALES
VIVA EL ALBA
VIVA EL UNASUR
yankees GO HOME
777ELDEMONIO 3 months ago
GOD FUCK amerikkka
777ELDEMONIO 3 months ago
The "evil" Hugo Chavez has more than cut in half poverty in Venezuela, and cut the most grotesque forms of poverty by over 70%.
Attacking the opulence of the few is no theft, but a supreme act of justice - as no amount of labor could ever justify the existence of millionaires, let alone billionaires. Such wealth is only acquired through the theft of the surplus value produced by laborers.
RemoveYourChains 3 months ago 8
@RemoveYourChains True!!!
blade57hrc 1 month ago
Yea but now the U.S. wants to help the oppressed people of Syria but the Chinese, Russians, and Iranians are preventing us.
EJJ7439er 4 months ago
@EJJ7439er
That's propaganda... The United States is backing terrorists that are slaughtering the Syrian army and its people but the corporate media in the west is spinning it and saying that assad is killing people.. The US wants to overthrow Assad and install a US puppet..
xMaXiMuSx 2 months ago
@EJJ7439er That is completly incorrect. I can't recall the Russians, Chinese and Iranians ever acting as a deterrent to U.S imperialism.
15Elliott93 1 week ago
The question is: why hasn't the world gotten together and put an end to the American empire of maniacal, genocidal killers?
The list of US presidents reads like a list of who's who in a long line of mass murderers.
j0n52 6 months ago 12
@j0n52 because we;re in their pockets, or at least in the pocket of those who controle the US.
treb1986 5 months ago
@treb1986
So was Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, Mubarrak, etc and they are all doomed.
j0n52 5 months ago
@j0n52 "put an end to the American empire of maniacal, genocidal killers?"
Cuz most of the states are pretty much the same?
Wylff 3 months ago
Pilger speaks a lot of sense, but his leftist views blind him to the totalitarianism is gaining currency in Latin America. He seems to think that corruption in government is good if that government is hostile to the United States.
Hamilcar275 6 months ago
@Hamilcar275
actually the wealthiest country is Brazil and its goverment is not leftist.. More centrist with a market economy(minus the wall street/federal reserve looting that we have in the states).. The "totalitarianism: is a myth.. Arresting a bunch of people on CIA's payroll is hardly a crime..
xMaXiMuSx 6 months ago
@xMaXiMuSx he said one of the richest not the richest and che was shot by the cia
shughes375 5 months ago
Our politicians are merely THUG-puppets put up by
the CIA, they LIE like hell to the public and TAKE OVER nations, turning them
into dictatorships, this is an excellent documentary then you suddenly realize...
THAT"S WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE!
Since 9-11, (really since Nov. 22, 1963) United States has been hijacked by
LYING CRIMINALS with NO legitimacy whatsoever. Think about it, you're living the "kinder gentler" version, but it's here most assuredly.
DABIGRAGU1 7 months ago
to the idiot profribasmat217..chavez is NOT Castro your own goverment accepted the referendum and said that everything went accordingly in Venezuela...Chavez goverment won with about 67%...so go and read..ignorant
alvarogrm 7 months ago
God Bless America
And the star spangled banner still gleaming
yanivshaked 8 months ago
@yanivshaked
Believe me , if there was god to which there isn't he would not be bless the u.s. And please learn that word american does not mean the u.s.
ipv4 6 months ago
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chavez = castro. Only you communist asswipes can't see the truth, or prefer your own propoganda version of the world.
profribasmat217 8 months ago
@profribasmat217 And compare Cuba (with least capitalism and least American infulence in the Caribbean) with Haiti (with most capitalism and most Us influence) and get back to us eh? The people VOTED for Chavez unlike people of the US who DID NOT vote for Bush. You are a nasty little right wing spud...
StunnedByStupidity 7 months ago
@profribasmat217 let the venezuelan people judge not you yank
Guerillaradio13 3 months ago
americans you most cretainly pay in the blood of your first born for the crimes your goverment and under your acceptance heve been commited.
sinccitybabyface 8 months ago
@sinccitybabyface You haven't got a clue as to what you're talking about, first off "we" never accepted what the CIA has done in the name of the U.S. You're ill informed my friend, one glance at your channel says it all. Cease and desist 24yr old child, or... you can always go live in your communist (which has a body count of 400+ million of it's own) country of choice.
DABIGRAGU1 7 months ago
I think this is still a foreigner's point of view. I wouldn't present Chavez as "la voz de los barrios", i don't think he's a hero, but I prefer him over many REAL dictators and genocides that were very US friendly (and funded). However, I'm Argentinian and so I'm foreigner to Venezuela. BTW, it strikes me that nobody sees a relationship between the junk-bond crisis in US and the fact that most "backyard" nations stopped taking this financial junk since 2k decade (appr)
lunacomputacion 9 months ago
they are free, they dont needed yours Nintendo, and fucking stupid american slaves democracy, yours justice, and your beautyfull horror american dream.
Good luck Wenezuela
losik01 9 months ago
@losik01 Nintendo is a product of Japan dumb dumb
sapperzulu 7 months ago in playlist Hugo Chavez Coup
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losik01 9 months ago
nixon was with bushed the worse lying criminal two faced ignorant wamongering evil pieces of shit that ever walked or crawled this earth, oh and they don give a shit about americans also they are against all ppl white or black they are about themselfs and their jewish friends to inslave the rest through debt, the logic of banking and industry as only one end, middle class without anything and fat elite over everyone else with logic brainwash against us
badsign1980 9 months ago
ESSENTIAL PILGER ARCHIVE LINK cut n paste -JOHN PILGER-THE PEOPLE'S DOCUMENTARY FILM MAKER
Solidgroundfilms 10 months ago
Real Democracy means Direct Democracy or a n Inclusive Democracy ...The representative democracy that we have right now does not equate to the definition of democracy........ "Rule of the people"
abz998 11 months ago
DEMOCRACY
I am struggling to understand exactly what democracy is. When a child and knew childish things I did in fact believe that I understood what democracy was. I now understand Democracy to mean exactly what the USA says that it is. In every case most countries agree with this view. Life from now on is simple. jsf
hotsatsuma3 11 months ago
@hotsatsuma3 A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.
johnz281994 10 months ago
@johnz281994
not really.. That wouldn't bo sad lol.. It's about an oilgarchy that can use things like the media to give an illusion of a demoracy but it's really an oligarcy.
xMaXiMuSx 10 months ago
@xMaXiMuSx I believe you mean Oligarchy...The above definition is correct for a democracy. Are you saying we actually have a Oligarchy? We are technically a republic and do not have mob rule but the Jefferson quote about mob rule is 100% spot on.
johnz281994 10 months ago
@johnz281994
yeah that's what I said.
xMaXiMuSx 10 months ago
I don't know who removed my comment from the other day but I hope it wasn't you 1GangRelated. If it was youtube I'd expect it. Sorry for being pain. I stopped commenting to silent sam on here weeks ago but someone always tries to reply to me now and contradict me.
YourOasis97 11 months ago
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USAequalsWMD 1 year ago
democracy is so overrated.
democracy shouldn't be the goal, liberal governments should be the goal.
ironbmike 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 it's what I think also I rarely see chiense army to any other country than their own ( or if they are in civilian clothing )
actually in Africa and middle east alike they said chinese are the most moral if they compare to USA because they didn't use STRENGTH but Instead they USA what we call Fairchange ( and it's was supposed to be a American ideology)
keldius 1 year ago
Vatican-Pope-Jesuits-illuminati-NAZIS-CFR (luciferian jews) run the world. All secret societies, organized religions ruled by an elite bloodline, same bloodline ruling from Egypt 2 Rome British (European) Empire - America Empire (1913 Fed Reserve. Presidents & King stand at whim of the real power which is the priest hood (Priests - Bishops - Cardinals - Pope) standing behind the throne - trying to form it's one world luciferian gov't.
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TheDesertlight 1 year ago
stealing resources from all over the world is not democracy that is robbing done by the ordinary thief warped up with Teflon suites. The whole world see it now and really see that the emperor has no cloths.
partridgecaravan 1 year ago
free market capitalism is not to blaim. We have not been practicing it at all. What you have today is the total opposite.
And we do not live in a democracy. We are supposed to be a republic. There is not that much freedom in a democracy where the mob rules
Galicia1981 1 year ago
@Galicia1981 free market capitalism with Taxation ?? and you need a Permit to actually sell something ?
you call that FREE market ?
keldius 1 year ago
puro bla bla....!! que tristeza que haya tanta gente credula.... y como siempre los que estan en el gobierno son los beneficiados de todos los privilegios.... los pobres tontos pagamos las consecuencias ... todos estos politicos son iguales !!
guajirigna 1 year ago 2
CORPRATE AMERICA ARE CORPRATE EUROPE
mrg00ddude 1 year ago
Chavez is a communist dictator, he's best friends with Fidel Castro another communist dictator. he's not a man of the people. venezuelans have come in droves to the US to escape him! so please don't be fooled.
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 Chavez can not be a dictator since he is democratically elected. I think you are the one letting yourself be fooled.
Plus, at least ideologically, communism is about the people, even though there has been bad communist governments, like in Russia. Democracy has also had bad governments, like in America.
You can not blame an ideology for the mistakes of a government. Just because a government spouts a particualr ideology does not mean they follow it.
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 excuse me but do you have friends who have risked their lives to come to the USA? do you have friends who lived there? your the one thats fooled. "democratically elected" right. ask any venezuelan. they ALWAYS try to vote him out but he ALWAYS wins. is that democratic? suspicious, no? they LOATHE him with a passion. he's BEST FRIENDS with a communist dictator called Fidel Castro of Cuba my FAMILY'S homeland who risk the atlantic ocean on a makeshift raft to come here.
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 Yes I have known many people from different nations who have struggeled to get to out of their home nations.
Go get your facts straight and learn that there are different groups that hate and love him. The ones who love him are the poor and the native people.
I have known a senators son who told me about how western nations raped their countries for resources, and how another nation dealt with communist China who gave them roads and hospitals instead of debt and corruption.
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 i know some love him, usually the ones in positions of power. i know and met MANY poor people who loathe him with a passion. so "go get your facts straight." otherwise, why would the POOR come here?
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 Chavez controls the media, he decides what programs will be shown or not. just yesterday at my job, i work as a cashier at Michael's and a venezuelan woman came shopping and told me she needed to keep the receipts because they set limits as to how much you can buy overseas when its HER money that she earns. its not communist per se but almost. very fascist like. her words, not mine. he adores Castro too. Communism has never worked, never will. It's not the ideology I blame but
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 What exactley makes Castro evil? What is so wrong about not wanting corporate America to rape your land?
Why do people not believe the poor nations when they say how much damage is done to them by western banking and corporate interests?
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 you obviously haven't lived there or have family or friends who live in such places so please be quiet about matters you know nothing about. the cuban people are STARVING. my cousin came on a make shift raft crossing the atlantic ocean to florida with her two daughters! most of my family immigrated here. they ration their food. we have to send $ over there to support family members or they'd die! they come here looking like skeletons! i don't doubt western banking and corporate
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 and corporate interest but to think the latino leaders are so well loved and wonderful is wrong! they don't give a crap about the people. why then do they come by the THOUSANDS, many dieing along the way, to the USA? learn the history of castro's coup. he kills men and women who openly disobey him! if you don't claim yourself as a communist your only left with the crumbs. he raped the land. some place can't be used to farm anymore. some women prostitute themselves to tourists.
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 how is he evil? let's see: he KILLS and STARVES the people to death! don't tell me that's not observable evidence cos i see how my family members have suffered, risked their lives to come to the so called "promised land." he controls and watches everything. christianity was abhorred. my uncle's brother died last month from something that could've been evaded here: his heart. here he'd get a pacemaker. over there no such operations are allowed. unless u have dollars, are in a
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 America starves Cuba, not Castro. If America would let more countries deal with Cuba then things would not be as bad there.
I was mainly assking about Castro though because Cuba is a nation I know very little about. My aunt was at a dinner with Castro once, but that is all i know of him.
People leave Cuba because it and they are poor. I really think that is more America's fault than anything.
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 its PARTLY america's fault. but ALSO castro's fault. since he doesn't give a damn about the people either. try to stop looking at it one sided and putting all your eggs in one basket. there is never one side to a story. and there is *never* one culprit. some within his ranks plotted to kill him but they failed. they LOATHE him with a passion. im willing to bet my money that the american government supplanted castro there as they did in Guatemala&El Salvador. mind you the one
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 before castro came along wasn't so great either but he was better. why do you think cubans are republicans and don't like democrats out of fear the left wing can turn to socialism? why do you think they hate communism? its only natural after what they went through never mind if its just an ideology but when put in practice its not an ideology anymore. it can very easily become a source of "evil." cuba was quite prosperous before he came along. now there's nothing left but misery
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 position of power/communist,& for the poor there are NO technologies, medicines available to them at all. their malnourished. my mother used to get by on only eating rice&beans ONCE a day since they were 9 mouths to feed, her brothers and sister. why would a cuban risk their lives on a makeshift raft 6 times, each time failing until the 6th time when he finally made it to the USA? my little cousin had worms when she arrived 5 years ago coming out of her butt! so i ask u is he evil
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 People need to learn to tell the difference between evil, and communism. Communism is not at all evil. It is an ideology, that is all.
It is usually never followed properly and has never been bad for economies, but it is not some great evil. That is just the left over thinking from old American propeganda.
America and multinational corporations rape a land, and when the peopl try to stop that they are considered evil...
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 your twisting my words or did you not read? i never said communism was evil. all i said was it DOESN'T work, never has never will. go back and read what i wrote. not for the people anyway. i said the LEADERS are evil. specifically castro and chavez, as most government heads in any "ideology" are. if not evil, at least dishonest without good intentions. and again i don;t think your reading my words clearly. i NEVER said america was paradise or the corporations. i know full well
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 what they have done in guatemala and other countries. propaganda you say? go watch the documentary the century of the self and you'll learn what REAL propaganda is, and its not controlled or spouted from this right vs. left BS. but from the government itself. communism has been DONE in the name of evil: greed which IS the root of all evil. remember the USSR and what they did to the dead bodies? wanna live in Cuba or some other latin country? go tell them communism is not evil.
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 and let's see what response you'll get. NATURALLY the *people* think communism is evil especially those who have lived under it. stop thinking american and put yourself in *their* shoes. i'm not gonna waste my time with you since you clearly don't understand or don't want to understand what i'm trying to convey to you. unless you have first hand experience of what its like or stories from family and friends you can *never* know or understand their suffering.
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 I say what I say because of people who lived in these countries. I also say what i say because of things learned in school. Really there is not any side that has not killed people, and we can not declare who is right by a body count.
You say Chavez kill people, yet the dictators American's often put in don't just kill people, but sell them out as well.
Oh, and how do poor people from Veneseula get to Miami? You sure they were poor and not the upper class who fled?
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 And I say what I say from personal experience and personal contact from those people. School doesn't always tell the truth, much less the history books. It's actually indoctrination but that's another matter altogether. Why do I have to repeat myself? I never said Chavez kills people, I said CASTRO'S regime does. Please read my comments again. Castro and Chavez have sold the people out as well. Trust me, when your poor and desperate you'll find ANY way to get in even illegally
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 (cont.) ask any Mexican which I have. Some don't fly over straight from Venezuela they go from country to country crossing borders into Mexico and then through here. My best childhood friend is Venezuelan and her family came when she was a baby. They weren't destitute in Venezuela but they certainly were not upperclass. Yet they fled. But their still considered poor now.
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 i know how much damage they've done but Castro has done much more damage. there are no corporate interests in Cuba except maybe guantanamo prison. go talk to a cuban who just came here not long ago. my WHOLE family went through hell just trying to come here. some who thought they were traitors for leaving threw eggs at them. so don't give me that crap that castro is not evil. do your own research, learn spanish and talk to a cuban. the BS your parroting to me is NOT reality.
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 Bush did that also yet he is not evil or is he ?
keldius 1 year ago
@keldius did what also? lie to people, make false promises? commit acts of violence and treason? of course. so did obama, so did every other president since probably the 1900s.
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 those in power who ABUSE any system of government for their own gain. i know democracy has and is being abused right now in the USA even and other countries. but don't be fooled by this silly little story Chavez made up about how poor he was,& how good he is, etc. He's nothing but a liar, a cheat,&a selfish bastard. He was elected cos he fooled the people thinking he was gonna make good. but he hasn't, never has, never will .Same way Castro did, same way any politician does.
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 America has done terrible things in Latin America. Most people who study history know this stuff already. Its only those who don't have the education who think it is lies.
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 you think i don't know that? but have you stopped for a minute and thought that these same "leaders" are benefiting for all this. many in other countries make secret deals with americans. to believe in a "leader" is good especially Chavez and Castro is the same as believing pigs can fly. i know america has been and is downright evil. but try living in cuba for a day, put yourself in their shoes. or are you parroting mainstream media? yes there is propaganda against chavez but he
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 also cuts them off, as he did one time of a program that spoke ill of castro. corporate interests are horrible but so are "leaders" who consider themselves worthy to be above the law and hurt the impoverished ones.
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 The problem is that this is so much like a lot of American history that its not at all unbelievable. So why try to deny it and say it is a lie?
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
Great docu, it makes you open your eyes, once again.
panthera50 1 year ago
That first clip pissed me off.
QuestionPerception 1 year ago
"Democracy" is the worst form of government. Our founding fathers hated the idea of a Democracy. In a Democracy, 51% of the people can deprive the other 49% of their liberties.
America was established as a Republic, where a single individual is protected by certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away no matter how many others vote to do so.
cashmny78 1 year ago
@cashmny78 democracy is Not a form of government is an ideology where the people vote for their representant you can have it in a Non republic place like Japan and Canada
the form of government you think is republic/ there is also a Theocracy a Monarchy an anarchist ( quite rare its what w ehave in iraq now ) despotism also ( other form of didactorship)
keldius 1 year ago
GRANDE UOMO
giusepization 1 year ago
They say it all the time and eventually it brainwashes the poor souls (with short memories) in the USA, who then support their government in whatever action it then desires to remedy their problem. Remember how they killed the Panamanian President over the canal treaty ! And the Equadorian President for nationalising Equadors natural resources !
othres1 1 year ago
It's always the same, as soon as someone comes along in a country that has something that the USA wants, and that person wants to change things for the betterment of his country, which then is adverse to the interests of the USA, the USA then immediately start to denounce and bad mouth that person. They'll (USA) say hes a dictator, they'll say he's corrupt, they'll say anything and usually just make up the critisism to portray the developing countries new hero into a demon.
othres1 1 year ago
@othres1 communism spread wealth among the people of the same country yet give None to the american ( I see clear didn't I )
want me to make it simplier ?
keldius 1 year ago
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kill the jews for they are behind capitalism
MaTaRoe 1 year ago
Another reason why blind American patriotism is ignorance.
AkariLucero 1 year ago
Viva Chavez :)
dovla1389 1 year ago
Chavez isn't presented in this film as the better leader or as a more legitimate alternative regime. Pilger shows that Chavez's rule is actually really similar to the way the united states exploits and how the elite in Venezuela are actually benefiting most in the oil business, how the "poor are still poor" etc. What John Pilger is really showing us is that the US is very, very threatened by this offshoot or variation of capitalism that has socialist aspects, and how the US tried to destroy it.
Dtchmastrkilla7 1 year ago
Marxist film-makers who take a public stand FOR democracy and freedom?
Now I've seen it all.
I've read "Das Kapital" and I haven't really found too many segments espousing the advantages of democratic rule.
Why do they bullshit us so?
Extremist Leftists are psychopaths, misfits, hypocrites, and charlatans of the highest order. Also, they have no cheek: they will unashamedly pretend to defend all those things that they hate with a passion: freedom, democracy, and the truth.
FedorEight 1 year ago
@FedorEight you say extreme leftists are psychopaths etc... Well, the u.s.a empire is full of killers, just look at what one of the former CIA people said when John was saying that there were thousands of killings, the cia guy said very comfortable "it was two hundred". Ok, so two hundred of murders are just nothing?? It is just insane that some people still believe that the usa government was doing or is doing the right thing, especially some usa citizens who support the killings
MORAGAKAT 1 year ago
Yea...Capitalism fails..ha? how about your socialism and communism? where is communism in China? USA is rich not because it manipulates the world around...but it is rich and powerful because you all are f****** loosers....if you want beat it then compete with it rather than cryling like little girl...it is the competion that capitalism creates and idenitfy the loosers like you all..
sambu5 1 year ago
@sambu5 America does manipulate the world, through covert actions of the CIA running around in people's countries, arming and funding military coups to overthrow governments that America dont agree with, just so they can keep a government that will allow them access to the resources to make them more powerful, the american government is garbage!!
stonebrownalien 1 year ago
@sambu5 You could classify the USA as a second world country. And there is not such thing as capitalism in the USA. Capitalism is about free trade between free individuals. Waging war against another country, murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians, has nothing to do with capitalism. It's about extreme violence. You want competition? Let's say 9/11 was caused by Al Qaida, is that the competition you are talking about? Americans shouldn't cry like little girls because of 9/11: competition!
autodidactproject 1 year ago
I was translating once for some investors from UK&Australia in Dubai yrs. ago. THe topic of wages came up. 1 extremely wealthy individual said, "Oh, sure, quadrupling the wages of workers wouldn't hurt our purses in the least bit. But in the long run; it would lead to chaos." Population explosion was the main concern. The other was control. Hungry, "desperate ppl. are eager to work. And you gotta have everybody working. ..." he said.
paz/peace/salam/shalom
translationwiz 1 year ago
hmmm...US isnt even a democracy anyway. its a republic.
democracies always fail in the end, madison knew what he was talking about.
humbletim10 1 year ago
Interesting documentary, albeit illustrating Pilgers typically niave view of the world. So when exactly did Chavez's Venezuela become this democratic utopia. Power cuts, food shortages, President for Life and crime out of control.
OK, some terrible crimes were conducted in places like Chile and Argentina, but he seems to conveniently forget that there was a cold war. So what should the USA have done, just let them all become Soviet states. How many people died in communist China and Russia!
hkpho0ey 1 year ago
@hkpho0ey and how many people died in USA politics??? You say that he forgot about the cold war. The cold war is something that many people know about. It is taught in schools, you can find information in the internet, in books, in movies. But these masacres ocurring in latin america are secrets, why? because of the control of usa over latin america. That's why pilgen forgot about the cold war, because this latinamerican history has been hidden.
MORAGAKAT 1 year ago
@MORAGAKAT No one can argue terrible things happened in South/Latin America, but to solely blame the Americans is naive. My Brother in Law lived in Communist Romania and can assure you plenty of people were murdered their too.
The simple truth why the massacres are hidden not because of America, but because to most of the world they are unimportant. Some Soviet funded left wing terrorists being killed in South America is not going to concern most people outside the region.
hkpho0ey 1 year ago
@hkpho0ey Why would it be naive to only blame the USA ??? They were the only country meddling !!! Give us someone elses name then, if you can.
The massacres were unimportant to the rest of the world ?? Are you mad ?? Didn't you see how the muslim world reacted over 9/11 ?? They hate the USA, and they care about what happens. And there would have been the same reaction in plenty of other places, probably South America also.
othres1 1 year ago
@othres1 So 9/11 was about South America? Ha Ha. Give you credit thats a good one.
Please do yourself the favour of reading a little history as at the moment your making yourself look stupid. Although I assume you are a 'red shirt' so that would explain your intelligence level.
hkpho0ey 1 year ago
@hkpho0ey I didn't mention anywhere that 9/11 was about South America. I didn't even imply it. You have greatly missed the point of the comment, which was plain and very, very simple.
And you think I'm a Red Shirt ??? Well you're wrong again buddy ! I despise Thaksin. This also has nothing to do with the topic at hand, so why bring it up ??? Your wrong and you're failing to keep to the discussion.
othres1 1 year ago
@hkpho0ey Everybody hates the USA and cares about the evils that it perpetrates. The reason that the masacres were hidden is the same reason any murderer doesn't go around announcing his dirty deeds. Because it's "BAD" as George W would say. Your middle name must be "naive" if you think that nobody in the world outside these areas cares about these events, or that the USA isn't solely responsible for all the hardship caused in South and Central America.
othres1 1 year ago
@MORAGAKAT This wouldn't be the same USA who saved Costa Rica from Communism in the 1940's and who helped build your economy. Gave you democracy and obviously allowed you free speech.
Now try moving to Cuba, Venezuela or China. See if you have the same freedoms you take for granted.
hkpho0ey 1 year ago
@hkpho0ey The USA doesn't save anybody from anything, it just imposes it's own desires onto others. The only thing that the USA has against communism is that it isn't capitalism, and therefore doesn't serve the USA's interests. The USA has the large corporations and it wanted them planted everywhere in the world so profits come back to it.
othres1 1 year ago
@othres1 and china being a BIG country and Populous ... if it,s become capitalist it's means BIG BUCK to USA
keldius 1 year ago
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Silentsam7532 1 year ago
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@keldius Actually China becoming communsit is very big competition against the USA. The only way its means big bucks to USA is the laons America needs from China to survive.
Its hard to say but China might be one of the best things to stop multinational corporations from having complete freedom to exploit the world.
China actually helps poor countries in exchange for resources, and doesn't exploit them.
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@hkpho0ey What the hell do you think the USA has been doing running around the world for the last half century !!! Just illegally invading countries to depose their governments and replace them with someone that's sympathertic to the US cause !!! The USA doen't give a damn about democracy or free speech. It doesn't have it in it's own country, and deosn't want it. Nothing but lies come out of the USA, and the morons with the short memory listen.
othres1 1 year ago
@othres1 And yet if someone gave you a free work visa to the US I bet you would be gone tomorrow.
hkpho0ey 1 year ago
@hkpho0ey You're not very good at this, are you !!! You're actually getting worse because the USA is the last place on earth that I'd want to go to.
So, wrong again sunshine !!! And AGAIN nothing to do with the topic at hand. You're wrong, you're failing to keep to the duscussion, and you really shouldn't be touching on the subject of intelligence because you clearly don't know anything about it.
othres1 1 year ago
@hkpho0ey And history is not in the books, sunshine. It's lying dead in fields that nobody knows about because the perpetrators don't want yoy to know about their involvement. That's a free one for you that you don't have to look up in any book, so read that.
othres1 1 year ago
@othres1 very true. "History is told by the victors".
ColdWarGeek 1 year ago
@hkpho0ey Did you see the stupid looking grin on the face of George Bush in the video clip when finished talking about El Salvador, after he told the woman to "be Quiet ?" Bush didn't even beleive his comments himself. Now THAT is history, son !
Have you gotten the picture yet, sunshine ! I'm trying to help you !!!
othres1 1 year ago
US government and fucking CIA keeps on using democracy as weapon to interfere in other countries' affairs. They are the biggest trouble makers in the world !!!
maomao667 1 year ago
this documentary paints too rosey a picture of Chavez, dont get me wrong i admire the man for what he has done for his country but he is by no means perfect. whilst rightly exposing the cruelty of previous US governments it is creating a bias in favour of chavez.
thedarknesscallingme 1 year ago 2
Viva Chavez viva la revolocion - all the way from Scotland
ThyRootster 1 year ago
@ThyRootster OK There is saying in my country that goes like this "Viví con el". This means that from outside it may seem like its heaven, but when you live with him, it absolut hell. I dare you to come to Caracas so you can see that all that you see from Chavez is merely goverment propaganda. And to be fare try not living on 1 minimum wage, I'll give you 6 minimum wages.
colme71 1 year ago
@colme71 Western propaganda generally makes a fool of Chavez, but every clever person knows that capitalism will eventually only favour the powerfull. He has privatised your oil industry - this was the best thing he could of done. In Norway the Government owns 50% of the big oil company Statoil - this has made it one of the most prosperous countries in the world. You have to start somewhere and trust me poor people in the USA probably have it as bad as you but at least you still have spirit left
ThyRootster 1 year ago
@ThyRootster Hey by the coment you just made I understand you know NOTHING ABOUT VENEZUELA. PDVSA is a State Company since 1975. Until 2002 its only purpose was to extract, produce, market oil. Since 2002 now that is the less thing it does. Please learn about Venezuela before you make comments like that you like Chavez. I see that you know nothing about my country. Only what the propaganda has taught you.
colme71 1 year ago
@colme71 You're right I don't know much about Venezuela, but I certainly know alot about capitalism and how companies by there very nature will try to exploit and profit as much as possible where ever they go - I work in the oil industry and have worked very close to Venezuela in Trinidad as well as many other places in the world - I suspect that you are probably a rich Venezuelan. And may I say again the propaganda is all against Chavez not for him and like said below he is better than UncleSam
ThyRootster 1 year ago 5
@colme71 Venezuela has been in shambles from western imperialism. Venezuela was forced to adopt neo-liberal economic policies which opened up the nation to forein investment which is a cover for foreign ownership. What happens here is public wealth is transferred into private hands. Government power is eroded and you have a private tyrrany. At this time esstential goods which were publically provided are now privately owned where people cannot afford. public services are removed and are pa
niloclappu 1 year ago
@colme71 pay as you go. Massive layoffs, huge spike in unemployment and people below poverty line drastically increaeses. Look at the statistics, these are the facts. there is much more to list here. Chavez renationalized the oil industry which pissed off the west because he is now using the profits of the oil industry to provide for the Venezualen people. Democracy is good for the west as long as it profits them only. Chavez represents his people and latin america and should be a hero.
niloclappu 1 year ago 2
@colme71 yes, you cannot drive your Ferrari anymore that you bought off the money that was meant to feed the poors. you were one of the children of the PDVSA, un burgués cabrón a quien le ha tocado trabajar ahora, now you have to work to make your living and you are pissed off, i can understand that though ...
youcantbeatfacts 1 year ago
I don't like any government at all... but definitively Chávez is better than Uncle Sam.
velero24 1 year ago 35
@velero24 Chavez is a a person, Uncle Sam isn't. Or are you referring to YOUR uncle called Sam?
FedorEight 1 year ago
@FedorEight I find that comment personal and hurtful.
By the way I believe in Republic now.
velero24 1 year ago
@velero24 you do have a point
martinezmarcio1 1 year ago
@velero24 ha. tell that to the venezuelans. neither is better.
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@velero24 venezuelans and cubans loathe him. that's why venezuelans try to come in droves to the US to escape from it. he's never been democratically elected. i have venezuelan friends. he's best friends with a communist dictatcor called fidel castro of Cuba, my family's origin.
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@velero24 hugo chavez is as big a corrupt jerk as any other govt head
goo2u 1 year ago 2
@velero24 so you would like Chavez to control which programs you watch on television and how you should spend your money?
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 Their media is not any control at all. Why else is their media putting out propeganda against him? What you say goes agasint all observable evidence.
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 observe? how can you observe if you haven't been there?? the MAJORITY want him out. they tried voting him out months ago and they did but he makes himself win EVERY TIME. so please go parrot your mainstream BS to someone else.
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 Is it the capitalists that want Chavez out, or the native people and the poor? It seems that the poor like him...
I just never consider an enemy to America to be evil just because America claims it is so. America has a history for taking out elected leaders that will not sell their nations out to American interests and putting in dictators. This is taught in history and political science classes.
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 communism is about having only TWO classes with no middle class, read marx's book. also the redistribution of wealth by the state.but who in their right mind will trust the state?!they can just easily take away your food as give it to you as they have done&still do. its about controlling the masses. again, stop thinking American. i never once mentioned america. i don't think he or it is evil cos of the "propaganda" as you call it but cos of the DIRECT stories i get from POOR
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 I find it funny that people think the state is so wrong. People often think that the free market is good and that the state is bad.
In reality the state is voted in by the people so the state is the people. Its not redistribution when the government provides social programs paid for by taxes.
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 i wasn't talking about america although i don't believe votes count here either. you really need to speak to someone else from those countries. castro was NOT voted in, he forced himself in and wooed the people with false promises.
i don't trust the State anymore than I would a murderer, a rapist, or a suicide bomber. every time the State gets involved things get worse and more complicated. its a bureaucracy not a democracy. well almost authoritarian too.
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 There are many nations that have been ruined by American and or European influence. There is a lot going on out there that many seem to be unaware of.
Yes, education is indoctrination by definition, but I think you have a warped view of the word indoctrination. People need to put more value in education. Just because you learn something in school doesn't mean you can not question it yourself. often your asked to do your own research.
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 Yes, I know. I know all about Guatemala, and El Salvador, also now Iraq and the middle east but those govts are in cahoots with them too. Yes you do have to do your own research and question everything which I do but they don't teach that in school plus the media is always in the way controlling what people ought to think, wear, do, etc. Only 5 teachers in my whole "academic" career have told me things that weren't in textbooks and specifically told me to think for myself.
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 Its not just Latin nations, there are also nations in Africa as well.
I am not sure if your talking about Highschool education or University though. It is very different once you get past high school. In university your almost always taught things not in the textbooks and told to research things for yourself.
I was surprised to be taugt things in University that people on the internet often say "they don't want you to know". The truth is they do want you to know and teach it.
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 i know about africa as well. and university is no different from highschool sometimes depends where you go and what teachers you have. i'm in college now and just took a "critical thinking/ethics" class and hardly learned anything. i've learned more on my own when it comes to that. i did learn more math though than ever before. the first teachers to tell me to think for myself were social studies teachers in highschool: my history, psychology, and philosophy teachers.
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 Its good to see your starting an education. Its too bad its in America though, their systems really lack unless its one of the top schools.
University is far different than highschool in my opinion. The teachers care more, the students care more. In political science class I was lucky to have a teach that has travelled the world and worked to help the poor.
The American way does not work for the world, and socialism is not the evil thing American's are taught.
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 well yes i have met college professors who do care but i also met some who don't. i may be american but America did NOT teach me about socialism, I LEARNED about socialism/communism FROM my family. they went through hell! my mother only ate 1 meal a day, usually just rice and beans. 9 people under one house, starving, and all skin and bones. you call that great? america's ORIGINAL way did&does work. democracy works, socialism doesn't but america has become more socialized every yr
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 If you know much about Africa, then you know that IMF and World bank influence is causing lots of problems. America is the biggest part of the World bank, and its influence has turned it into a weapon to threaten and control the poor nations.
Hopefully China will continue to help so that countries do not get caught in with these terrible organizations.
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 oh yes i'm all for the destruction of the world bank and the IMF, the UN, etc. if i could i would, it breaks my heart to see what africans must go through and see no real progress.
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 i wasn't talking about america although i don't believe votes count here either. you really need to speak to someone else from those countries. castro was NOT voted in, he forced himself in and wooed the people with false promises. i don't trust the State anymore than I would a murderer, a rapist, or a suicide bomber.every time the State gets involved things get worse and more complicated. its a bureaucracy not a democracy.well authoritarian too.people vote out of misunderstanding
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 Well Castro is a different story anyway. Chavez has actually done good for the poor in his nation, and it is well known that those who were against him often flee to the US. They may fall for the American propeganda against him, but I don't care.
The world needs more leaders willing to stand up to the US. They are building an empire that is already showing signs of failing.
Capitalism is sometimes good, but does often not work. There needs to always be some sort of socialism.
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 We'll have to agree to disagree on Chavez then. I've met some poor ones who do loathe him, Cubans do too especially. It does not bode well if your friends with a communist dictator. They don't fall for any propaganda they the realities of it because they lived there and have families there. He may stand up to the U.S. but like I said that does not make him an honorable man, he is FAR from honorable. but once we have some sort of socialism they always push for more as they do now
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 Chavez has done some very honourable things, and no government installed by America has ever been one to help its people.
Chavez put the poor people on the map, literally. He has helped them with education and the poor. he is not nearly as socialist as you think. Many in his country think he is not socialist enough.
It is only one nation though, and is nothing to the American Empire. Its not going to change unless Americans fight their own government.
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 no he hasn't. the poor used to eat arepas and now he took that way and they can;t even eat that anymore. he controls the media and what they watch. is that man honorable?
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 Well considering the media is free to speak out against him, I doubt he controls it. They idea that he denied some food stuffs to them sounds wierd as well. You sure your not just hearing strange rumors?
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 no, i listen to spanish speaking news and have spoken to venezuelans themselves who have family over there. and are *you* sure your not parroting the same disinformation and propaganda from this state and from chavez himself? if he does not allow spanish speaking U.S. aired programs that speak ill of Castro does he not then control the media? and is it not then communist in itself? and hasn't history shown us that communism never works for the people but for those in power? thus,
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 he *is* an immoral man. yes, the wealthier ones left but the poor have no choice but to stay there and suffer. i have friends from venezuela so please do not speak of something you do not know of from first hand experience or as told by someone who lived there and has family there. independent radio stations not of mainstream media report the real news from there and interview them from that country as well. learn some spanish, then you'll know. yes they can speak out agains him
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 The only things I have seen about Chavez is that the poor love him, but some poor hate him for not doing enough. He is not nearly as socialist as some would like him to be.
The people faught hard to put him back into power when he was taken down with CIA help and some dictator put in.
If the people don't like him then why did they all work together to get him returned? Why did western media lie about his actions and the actions of those who support him?
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 but he doesn't care cos he rules over them. and *always* is "elected" when the majority always vote him out yet he always wins. doesn't that sound suspicious to you? as if he bought the elections or uses propaganda to win favor for those who like him?
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 forget america for once! just judge chavez for what he has done and he is not honourable at all if the people are starving and he can control what they watch! they only watch him talk and talk. isn't that socialist/communism? isn't that what the soviets did? what hitler did? what castro does? if he is best friends with a communist dictator and agrees with his policies then obviously he is one to watch out for not admire. i think you have a weird idea of what socialism is.
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 the free market is good, it allows open competition thus to compete and get more customers one business might lower their prices and the consumers have more options.
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 Free Market can be good, but it needs the state to watch over it and regulate it. Canada does regulate its banks, and this is why our banks never failed like America's did.
The rich in America and corporations have the power to influence the government, and the people have next to no say in anything.
Unless the American people learn how to make a change, they will never have a government that represents them. Lobbyists will always hold the real power until then.
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 I'm afraid you have to dig deeper my friend, it goes much deeper than just corporations, lobbysits, etc. Maybe some regulation is needed but too much of it&its "1984." It's fractional reserve banking that causes the problem, ever since the Federal Reserve Act of 1910 things have gone downhill. read or watch the author on youtube talk about his book The Creature from Jekyll Island.A private banks controls and issues the money to congress on a loan with interest.Biggest mistake ever
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 Its funny that you don't trust the government (which we shouldn't) and yet admit that privitising the banks has had such a bad effect on both the economy and the freedoms of the people.
The government should run certain things. The military, the police, prisons, fire halls, hospitals/healthcare, and the banks. These things should never be privitised and yet half of them are in America. Its a scary nation when prisons are run for profit, and can lobby for tuffer laws.
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 i never said anything about privatizing banks. i said banks control the economies world over but the government lets them get away with it. they are *both* bad because government controlling banks is just as bad if not worse than a private bank. its the monetary system and how they print money thats the problem, not regulation. everyone here wants more regulation but thats a highway to hell. and no they should nut run healthcare. go ask the brits, and they'll tell you they are
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 The governmenty should run health care. Yes, ask us Canadians, and the brits. it is far better than the old American system in almost every way. We gety better health care, and we get it without worry over how it might cost something.
Also lack of regulation was the problem for American banks. The government controlling banks is a good thing, because the country has more of an interest in the banking staying stable. Unregulated derivatives markets caused the whole problem.
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 health cuts as we speak, cuts on personnel, telling people to take care of their own at home cos there aren't enough paramedics to go to their homes so their telling the sick to bring them to the hospital themselves. its all in the news in the telegraph and the daily mail. it is SO bad the people are suffering big time and our coming national health care is going to use their example. you want that for your future, for your kids? cos i don't. not saying health care is great now
YourOasis97 1 year ago
@YourOasis97 You obviously don't know what your talking about when it comes to other countries health care. Socialised medicine is superior in almost every way. It costs less and it does more.
Going to Brittain, Canada, even Cuba you can see that they all have a better health care system.
You get your info from the worst possible sources it seems and really need to broaden your horizons.
Silentsam7532 1 year ago
@Silentsam7532 no you don't! what utter BS! your telling ME, me who comes from a cuban family FLEEING cuba? they have no medicine in cuba! no technology! only if you have dollars or if your tourist can you afford to get good quality. people are DYING! they treat themselves through witch doctors and herbal remedies though i highly support the latter but there's no surgery available for them. you can go to the doc yes but he'll say, sorry were all out of medicine and tools.YOU need to broaden your
YourOasis97 1 year ago