terence is talking about the human experience and how the scientific method isnt applied to it. many natural human thoughts would be looked down on by science as they cannot repeat the results
I am amazed to hear a man who talks so much sense say this sort of thing about science. Science is all we've got, it's the most important tool humanity has ever made.
@LucidBuilder it does not account for anything that went on before the big bang but it has done a phenomenal job of explaining things from that point on. Science is the best thing mankind has ever come up with.
I'll have to disagree with Mckenna on this. As Carl Sagan once said, Science is more than a body of knowledge it is a way of skeptically interrogating the universe with a fine understanding of human fallibility. Science does not hold onto things as "truth" rather it focuses on providing theories on how certain phenomenon MAY behave. I would also like to add that the information that Science presents is anything but "boring" and is not above the grasp of the average individual.
@amnesia529 I agree and yet disagree. All imaginable playings out of the universe are all happening simultaneosly, because from every angle, the universe is always that single perfect entity. Everything is everything...is everything is everything. . .
I wondered, when watching some videos of greg s! If the universe is continually expanding, there have to be a maximum point of expansion,
so that the universe does the reverse and back all the time and bring back space and time in to a simple particle infill development? all the energy space and time in a particle and just start again,
expanding the endless space and time, and reclaim it back in to a particle!
@thebeartaxes McKenna explicitly states 'science' is a study of deterministic processes that are invariant with time. Then he goes on to say any living creature is indeterminate and therefore variant with time. So he's saying there's an incompatibility. He's not saying *everything* is subjective. Simply that any consciousness can reexperience something in a different way and thus suggesting a non-overlapping magisteria.
scientists have actually gotten the scientific method wrong for hundreds of years. that's why things are decided by consensus, and why they have the power to basically tell us and the universe how things are. they've discarded rationality and consistency in their search for truth and knowledge.
@iousup how about 100%? music in mckenna videos is such an absurd idea. as if you can somehow extend the "vibe" of terence mckenna's amazingly deep and insightful perspective with some cheesy little synthesizer playing in the background.
magic is just science in the dark, and it's a necessary activity because we've got to live life and we don't have all the answers ready, theres always uncertainty, we walk by faith not by sight
science uses a rationale(or paradigm) to solve mystery
religion just worships a particular rationale(paradigm)
science uses light to enlighten the dark
religion stays in the dark and worships the light
science questions
religion believes
religion means bound in reliance/belief, root word 'liga' as in ligament, ligature, 're' as in reliance on, respect to. Like 'legion', religious to caesar.
regardless, look up how paradigms work in science, and how in today's reality, one scientist called the discovery of another scientist, a "heresy" because it went against the current (and out of date) paradigm.
that is why i said 'in the core'.
if you remove all the layers that science and religion claim to have to differ between each other, youre left with sects and dogmas, believers and non-believers.
@natmanprime also, just look at the progression of science throughout history.
at a given time, it claims that this is how things are because its scinece, only to completely contradict itself 5 years later, to say, "NO! THIS is how things reallly are."
look, at it's core they are ideas about the world. Everything is an idea about the world! does that mean everything's a religion?
Is a dog's idea of the world a religion?
It's all PHILOSOPHY. dogma is a subset of philosophy. science is a different subset, because it does not rely on dogma, it relies on testable experiment. Science is always trying to discover more, finding new paradigms. even though some scientists don't agree, they WILL agree to an experiment.
They are both social and cultural institutions, invented and taught by men. Therefor they will both apply to his policies, his regulations, his boundaries. Which is what I think AntoniG was trying to get at. Even science has its prejudices and assumptions, much like many religions.
Really, is the world still square? Are you not aware of the difference between a theory and a law? Science is based on fundamental assumptions, much like you are. Type 'assumptions of science' into google, why should I sit here and do the work for you?
And arguing the semantics of religion or science isn't what I'm getting at. You need to zoom out, take a broader view of the subject we are discussing here. Stop being such a prickle. Be goo.
I don't want science to be replaced, I just wish it would encompass everything. I'm mostly speaking pseudo-sciences here, but psychedelic drugs/the intangibles. I realize most science is funded by people who expect solid, statistical results...but it's hard to ignore the fact that mainstream science generally ignores these "outcast sciences" because they don't play with their rules.
Science will continue to do great things for this species, and could do more if unrestricted.
Also, I don't want science reduced to religion - all religions create division and serve to establish power. Anyway, a fair balance is necessary in science, a compromise between the left-and-right-brain science. You can't just draw a line and say "if it falls within the 5 senses it's science, anything else is imagination". Great scientific discoveries have come from experiences that were not definable by the 5 senses.
There's more than the 5 basic assumptions, and has been many more since the inception of science. And I do read your comments properly. If you can't see that science isn't a perfect institution then there really is nothing I can do to change your mind. Restriction of science is included in science itself, because we're speaking of what science encompasses. You can't just exclude and include certain aspects of reality based on personal judgments or bias.
@Industrious420 we're not talking about the institution built around science, that's called 'scientism'. We're talking about science itself.
science=knowledge (acquired by study)
i shouldve said hermeticism, was more relevevant to my point, but hermeneutics isn't so bad, you see it's based on Hermes, a god who kinda coverd this thing.
anyway, we know 3 things: that we are, what we feel, that we percieve.
Science is a philosophy that deals with perception only.
I looked up Hermeneutics, and it seems to be the study of scripture and text? That's great and all, but it really only applies to Historians and Anthropologists. If science wants to achieve it's goal of being the standard for educational research of the universe, it has to open it's 'borders' and recognize the aspects of reality it deems myth and fictional. Science cannot explain my dreams, or even sleep for that matter. Science cannot explain "free will" either.
If you like Terence McKenna and music--check out NatureLovesCourage available for the 1st time on CD Baby, iTunes,etc. This music was magically listened to and endorsed by Terence himself prior to his departure from this Earth. Search for NatureLovesCourage on YouTube & Facebook. Listen & enjoy. Peace.
Psychedelic travelers, occultists, magicians and meditators DO bring information and consciousness into existence.
Albeit something that is not yet perceivable by the severly limited Mainstream Scientific (note the ose of the word 'mainstream' here) 5-sense reality; dictating that this tiny frequency range of visible light/information is all there is.
That's bullshit, therefore enslaving us just as religions did in the past. The powers that try to be know this. Our answers lie within.
Science will never be able to explain my experience or how I experience. Atheists are closed off to their own reality and fail to pick up on the subtle signals God sends all of us at all times. I won't get into what those signals are as they run the gammut.
@Kostly Science will never be able to explain everything because every answer will open another question. But the problem is people jump to conclusions such as theism etc. There comes a point, or a limit of what we can know where we just have to admit that we dont know anything more than that. It is how religions are formed when people essentialy make up truths just because science can't explain otherwise. We must not jump to conclusions. it slows down the progress of true knowledge
@NerfHerderD17 I agree with you 100%. I heard it best when I heard it put like this: "When you have a golf ball sized conciousness, you have a golf ball sized understanding, you havea golf ball sized wakefulness, you have a golf ball sized reality. You have to expand that golf ball to a greater size. Scientists choose their size. It is definitely not a complete size. Although, together, they form a "whole". It is not the whole.
@Kostly Science will never be able to explain everything because every answer will open another question. But the problem is people jump to conclusions such as theism etc. There comes a point, or a limit of what we can know where we just have to admit that we dont know anything more than that. It is how religions are formed when people essentialy make up truths just because science can't explain otherwise. We must not jump to conclusions. it slows down the progress of true knowledge
@Kostly Science will never be able to explain everything because every answer will open another question. But the problem is people jump to conclusions such as theism etc. There comes a point, or a limit of what we can know where we just have to admit that we dont know anything more than that. It is how religions are formed when people essentialy make up truths just because science can't explain otherwise. We must not jump to conclusions. it slows down the progress of true knowledge
@Kostly Science will never be able to explain everything because every answer will open another question. But the problem is people jump to conclusions such as theism etc. There comes a point, or a limit of what we can know where we just have to admit that we dont know anything more than that. It is how religions are formed when people essentialy make up truths just because science can't explain otherwise. We must not jump to conclusions. it slows down the progress of true knowledge
mmm. popper might have something to say on this. science is falsifiable. there is something more than internally consistent and astrology is not falsifiable, nor is religion. its all bullshit because no experiment you can do can disprove it. Look at the applications of astrology or religion..... look at the applications of science. enough said
Astronomy is perhaps internaly consistant but it makes claims of baseless cause and effect relationships and forms baseless catagories. So something is wrong with what TM is saying. And science is happy to explore changing laws over time... Time is a dimension... Quantum physics.. Big bang conditions.. Etc...
It's telling that the images in this video wouldn't be available without science. We'd be in our caves wondering what the lanterns in the sky are, as many in the Muslim world still do.
If people would take the time to learn some science, Mckenna would be looked at as an ignorant fool. Unfortunately, learning and understanding science requires effort, while magic, religion, and postmodernism don't. You simply turn off your critical thinking and believe, with no foundation for that belief.
all science provides is extrinsic knowledge. it offers no way for one to grasp their own feelings, or to build an internal understanding of oneself..ones own mind is best observed by ones own mind..science has no bearing on the intangible, intrinsic world deep within the human mind. science is not all mighty truth.
There is only one kind of knowledge. If you and I know the same information, we know it--extrinsically and intrinsically.
If intangibles are immeasurable, they aren't real. There are many unknowns, and science certainly does not claim to know everything, but you seem to be proposing that we not attempt to know everything and to take some things on faith. Without science, we'd be living in caves and fearful of the dark. There is no reason to believe that something is true without evidence for it.
"Without science, we'd be living in caves and fearful of the dark. "
Tell that to the Ancient World, both pre-Flood societies and later ones, that built wonders like the Pyramids, which science still fails to repeat. We can't even come together on a theoretical model on how the pyramids were built to begin with.
@Guitarscreech06 The Egyptians used science and math to build the pyramids. We could build a replica today, but the cost would far outweigh the benefits. I'm not sure what your source is about our lack of ability to build a pyramid, but I'm presuming you're getting your information from a pseudoscientific treatise. As for your idea of dating history based on a flood, I ask which flood, and from which mythology? There is no evidence supporting the Noah story, other than the bible.
@heathdwatts your words make you sound fairly intelligent, so I find it hard to believe that you can truly be missing the point of what everyone here is saying. We need to explore everything, and as a scientist you must know that individuals are predisposed to interacting with reality in radically different ways. Listen to the words of George Clinton.
@voxefex Yes, I agree, we need to explore everything, but if we don't explore everything in a systematic reproducible way, we're wasting time and money. I'm not talking about music and art; with regard to those subjects, I think that anything goes. With regard to science and math, everything does not go. 1+1=2, regardless of your cultural paradigm. You may represent the numerical symbols differently, but the quantitative relationship remains the same.
McKenna spent much of his time studying science--he spoke highly of the insights of quantum physics. What he's saying is that it should not be the absolute tool of human understanding. There is more to existence then our perceptions and capacities can accurately describe. Hence, he felt that all models of viewing the world be on the table and respected--after all, they are just models, that in time will be replaced and changed. Open your mind.
So what method did McKenna offer for understanding that which science can't study? Astrology, alchemy, intelligent design, religion, and all other non-scientific methods for studying the world pale in comparison with science. People like McKenna make claims that there are other ways of understanding how the universe works, but they offer no evidence for their claims.
He understood what science did. What he is talking about in this video, and what he consistently talked about, is that there are other ways to interpret things which are experienced. For instance, he felt that a psychedelic experience could raise consciousness---could science do that? No. It can explain it, sure, but that's a different realm than experiencing it. As he said--multipluralism--different fields addressing different aspects of existence.
Personally feeling that a psychedelic experience raises consciousness does not prove that it does. Can you show conclusive evidence that it raises consciousness for all users?
Without evidence, claims are empty. Read about Sagan's "Dragon in the Garage". It's the same concept.
This is the point of contention. McKenna argued that personal experience, contrary to the scientific opinion, is important and is valuable.
I would recommend you look up a Johns Hopkins study done a few years ago that concluded that mushrooms do in fact evoke entheogenic (spiritual) properties.
Although, to the psychonaut, this needed no scientific verification--they have already experienced something novel to them. And, unlike the scientist, the psychonaut cares about the value of experience.
I argue that learning, studying, and experiencing scientific discovery is a very pleasant experience. I'm a computational chemist and I use quantum mechanics to determine how molecules interact and to explain experimental data. Quantum mechanics, relativity, evolution, mathematics, and other sciences are beautiful. They not only instill a sense of wonder, but they help to explain how our world works in a consistent manner that is not possible with non-reproducible, personal experiences.
Again, McKenna respected such things. He felt individuals should learn as much as possible--however, as he stated in this video, it was a matter of not limiting oneself to one model of how the world works. Chemists and physicists will learn about the physical nature of the universe, mystics will teach how to live, and direct experience is not a pointless activity without meaning for the individual.
Your latter question...to the starving of the world, computational chemistry has no value to them
Actually, what I'm working on is a project that will help us extract energy from plants and to better understand how plants grow. That might actually serve the starving world better than psychedelic drugs and mysticism.
Great. And, as McKenna said in this video, what he's talking about doesnt apply to those who actually produce something useful. McKenna applauded all efforts to expand our understanding. He studied theoretical physics and astronomy in his spare time and had a UC Berkeley degree in Ecology and Conservation. But, again, he didn't feel that science was the only legitimate form of human inquiry. And, again, he stressed that there should be all options on the table.
Great. I eagerly await the day when spiritualists, religions, postmodernists, and psychedelic drug users will bring something useful to society that will produce tangible results similar to those that science has give us. Psychedelic drugs are partially responsible (as is heroin) for some of my favorite music. They are not responsible for increasing the standard of living and the average age of humans. I won't hold my breath for the "options" to science.
To be fair, religion and faith have been linked with optimism--and thus higher life spans. Also, religion, spirituality--etc--give people something science cannot--a meaningful worldview, a purpose, a community, etc. And when McKenna is talking about science--he refers to the most abstract kinds; he explicitly states he isnt referring to engineers and the like. So it seems you are misunderstanding what he's talking about. Also--science cant work for everyone--hence, other tools are needed.
Religion providing a meaningful world view? Are you serious? You actually think that texts from the Bronze age, written by people from the Bronze age offer us a meaningful world view? Having read the Bible, the Koran, and the Hindu texts, I really don't consider them credible sources for a world view. It is true that science does not offer ethical guidance, but getting our morality from the bible is like getting our food from the toilet.
Neither McKenna nor I were/are religious--but billions of people are and have been. Doesn't make it absolutely true--but it doesn't diminish their legitimacy against a group of physicists who seek to understand the universe.
Also, to be fair, Albert Hoffman and his child (LSD) showed in an experiential sense, the concepts held by physicists--that everything is relative according to the location of the observer, and that any description of the universe is innaccurate minus the observer.
And, as for the last question--most people cannot be scientists, cannot comprehend the theories, etc. And they shouldn't be expected to.
McKenna felt that no field of thinking takes preeminence, since no field can comprehend all existence--as history has shown, virtually all thought processes will in time undergo radical changes or even get lost.
Because science can't explain what happens after death.
Science cannot study death, as you can't come back from death to offer a new opinion and facts upon what you've learned from dying.
A plausable theory that works for EVERYONE is: Your beliefs are 'locked' into your brain. Your brain then functions upon the Moralities, Values, and Ethics of your beliefs. When you die, whatever you believed would happen after death, happens in your conciousnes AS you die, then you REALLY die.
So far, nothing can explain what happens after death. A systematic, scientific approach may one day allow us to know what happens. Religion offers no answers, only stories that are contradictory and unprovable.
It's really not an interesting question. It's like asking what happened before the universe existed. People should concern themselves more with the quality of their own life and the lives of others, rather than worrying about eternity. Your theory is actually an untestable hypothesis.
I had a similar idea to yours.What you would think would happen to you after you died, would happen. This is why religion and such things teach us to be a "good person" so that our minds dont create a hell in our own minds after we die.( not to justify everything religion tells us to do) but they do have a similar message behind them: to live a good life.
Mabey the DMT in our brains causes this to happen.
Science is not a philosophical or spiritual framework. Its a framework from which we can gain a slowly increasing degree of understanding about nature. Science does'nt tell you who you are as an individual, it tries to tell you what you are as an organism.
"treemetree" summed it up better than i ever could have..it's about personal experience..when the mind experiences something profound,science can exlpain why it happened, but the measuring device, or the scientist cannot grasp it ..they never experienced it. if science never really grasped the event, that doesn't make it invaluable. that's the whole point..just because science cannot verify something, doesn't make it invaluable. there are many things people experience that science cannot verify.
FYI, magic (if you're talking about the occultist/esoteric stuff, not stage magic/illusionist tricks) takes practice and learning as well. People tend to fuck around with it and cause unwanted effects, just as one is able to screw up parts of laboratory work and get the wrong results than what was expected beforehand.
@Guitarscreech06 Magic is an illusion, whether one is talking about magic tricks or the lies that occultist charlatans use to gain power. FYI, the Harry Potter movies are not documentaries. :)
Nietzsche: "Often reader and author do not understand each other because the author knows his theme too well and finds it almost boring, so that he leaves out the examples he knows by the hundred; but the reader is strange to the matter and finds it poorly substantiated if the examples are withheld from him."
@Walshd55 I agree completely; we live in a world where we believe that causality and routine reigns supreme over all, yet when we go beyond this and open the mind to unbounded states of consciousness (through transcendental meditation, psychedelic use, trance states, etc) we find something much quarkier, and much more counter-intuitive... Yet something more REAL than our 3rd dimensional, collectively experienced reality.
Contrary to popular belief, this is where truth dwells. . .
@JupiterJazzjaa2 Mushrooms DO reveal a spectacular reality, although I do agree far too many people think they have it all figured out after the experience occurs.
The best is to be humble about your experiences and do not assume you are more spiritually enlightened than others, because when you try to explain an experience it is impossible to fulfill your desires for them to realize it.
@Consciousish Very good post. For me, my first trip really leveled everything out. I never looked at someone and held myself higher. I am no better, or more valuable than the next person.
After that, it felt like it opened my mind so much, I actually worked towards learning as much as possible. Every moment I get, I try to learn as much as possible.
music aint loud its called choosing the audio you want to hear, or maybe its just the weed i smoked that makes the two separate audio waves more audible
omg U again. this guy's a retarded scientologist, let's harass him! Separately, u do have a point with ur comment here, and I am glad u didn't refer to some dianetics idiocy like: The reactive mind hears better without the music. Anyway, have a nice day. :P
I agree with those comments some of mckennas claims are strange and seem to be pure speculation but he admits in many of his lectures that he does't have any verifiable answers and i honestly believe this should not stop anyone from listening to and taking his ideas seriously.He makes such amazingly insightful observations about the nature of reality he takes you out of your ordinary world and gives you a very diffferent perspective on things.
But the game worked with a lot of the same archetypal themes that mckenna centers his talks on. Gaia, technology, magic, good and evil, historical time and religious themes, the earth goddess of the ancients vs the all knowing destructive domineering god figure of sephiroth, etc.. So it fits very well.
i think he's right, our brains are continuing to evolve, whether we realize it or not, and this evolution is drawing us closer to the ultimate truth hidden deep within each and every one of our conciousness'. science is simply the observation and recording of the physical world followed by the creation of laws of the physical world using mathematics. Is mathematics the true language of matter? we do not yet know.
Definitely I agree. Mckenna is a genius and years ahead of his time, but I dont agree with some of the far out things he says. His ideas need to be heard tho. too many people are sleeping.
Man, this background music is really disruptive.
expressexpose 1 month ago
terence is talking about the human experience and how the scientific method isnt applied to it. many natural human thoughts would be looked down on by science as they cannot repeat the results
ladbroke8 3 months ago
I am amazed to hear a man who talks so much sense say this sort of thing about science. Science is all we've got, it's the most important tool humanity has ever made.
jimmyshitbags 4 months ago
@jimmyshitbags He said besides technicians and engineers...the science that tries to explain the universe is severely limited.
LucidBuilder 2 weeks ago
@LucidBuilder it does not account for anything that went on before the big bang but it has done a phenomenal job of explaining things from that point on. Science is the best thing mankind has ever come up with.
jimmyshitbags 1 week ago
I'll have to disagree with Mckenna on this. As Carl Sagan once said, Science is more than a body of knowledge it is a way of skeptically interrogating the universe with a fine understanding of human fallibility. Science does not hold onto things as "truth" rather it focuses on providing theories on how certain phenomenon MAY behave. I would also like to add that the information that Science presents is anything but "boring" and is not above the grasp of the average individual.
timboslice001 4 months ago
does anyone know the name of the song?
ladbroke8 4 months ago
thats why you have the big bang! if you take back all the energy, space and time,
and you bring it back into a cell then this cell have an unprecedented energy and explode back!
inploderen, explode! it happens continuously I think!
for our humans, this seems long but compared to the speed of light its nothing !
I think whe live i a constant energy of expansion and infill development !
amnesia529 6 months ago
@amnesia529 I agree and yet disagree. All imaginable playings out of the universe are all happening simultaneosly, because from every angle, the universe is always that single perfect entity. Everything is everything...is everything is everything. . .
mcshair21 4 months ago
I wondered, when watching some videos of greg s! If the universe is continually expanding, there have to be a maximum point of expansion,
so that the universe does the reverse and back all the time and bring back space and time in to a simple particle infill development? all the energy space and time in a particle and just start again,
expanding the endless space and time, and reclaim it back in to a particle!
amnesia529 6 months ago
music from ff7 sick
Metknot666 7 months ago
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Total nonsense.
1noen1 7 months ago
@1noen1 lol thumbs downed.
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does it not occur to folks who put up these videos of mckenna that you are promoting drug abuse to children? but you don't really care, do you?
popstone1 7 months ago
the music ruins the video. thanks.
lloplop 8 months ago 2
wonderful speech, more accurate now than ever.
mankypancakes 9 months ago
Thumbs down for shit music while I'm trying to listen to the talking aspect of the video
MindstormRecs 9 months ago
@MindstormRecs this isn't shit music
thejonhendricks 9 months ago
Does anyone know how to conduct ritual magik? Is is difficult to get a straightforward answer when it comes to this.
UnhappySquancho 10 months ago
god this is so annoying. the music literally shoves terrence's voice to the side.
avedic 10 months ago
idk maybe ive watched so many tmk vids its easier to pick up but i could hear him fine... but ya the music was distracting a bit just focus lol
century172 11 months ago
This tune brings back memories of native American talking dogs and eco terrorists hunting down rich people with flying boats...
PrimeConsciousness 1 year ago
Lame music... =(
guzsaj 1 year ago
So he says science's processes are not interesting to living, thinking, feeling people but then says everything is subjective. contradictions FTL
thebeartaxes 1 year ago
@thebeartaxes McKenna explicitly states 'science' is a study of deterministic processes that are invariant with time. Then he goes on to say any living creature is indeterminate and therefore variant with time. So he's saying there's an incompatibility. He's not saying *everything* is subjective. Simply that any consciousness can reexperience something in a different way and thus suggesting a non-overlapping magisteria.
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a lot of great points here.
scientists have actually gotten the scientific method wrong for hundreds of years. that's why things are decided by consensus, and why they have the power to basically tell us and the universe how things are. they've discarded rationality and consistency in their search for truth and knowledge.
junior00bacon00chee 1 year ago
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BahaVII 1 year ago
thumbs up if you want the volume of music in seemingly all mckenna videos dropped by 50% -_-
iousup 1 year ago 84
@iousup Thumbs up.
2012singularity2012 1 year ago
@iousup haha well said
StarPower054 11 months ago
@iousup
I don't understand. This happens all the time!!
Still... I'm thankful toward the person who posted this up.
DrunkenLeprechaunPro 8 months ago
@iousup It's already posted. :) You're too late.
RabidAngryMut 8 months ago
@iousup how about 100%? music in mckenna videos is such an absurd idea. as if you can somehow extend the "vibe" of terence mckenna's amazingly deep and insightful perspective with some cheesy little synthesizer playing in the background.
dgmulf 2 months ago
@dgmulf exactly
Alexanderisgreat 1 month ago
I liked the music.
Thecorrectopinion 1 year ago
This video could be VASTLY improved by removing the distracting and seemingly pointless music.
vexcet 1 year ago
Final Fantasy 7 Bungenhagen. Beautiful!!!!
papadioup8 1 year ago
Buyers are liars and sellers are too!
entwisenva 1 year ago
why do all you fools who upload these mckenna videos include music, it's very bloody annoying
Plinth89 1 year ago
mix the music down sun. the ff7 will be better in the bg
fnshmetal 1 year ago
is this final fantasy 7 music?
frantheman3 1 year ago
@frantheman3
yes is a ff7
pantanillo091 1 year ago
science and magic are on the same side
religion and authoritarianism are on the other
magic is just science in the dark, and it's a necessary activity because we've got to live life and we don't have all the answers ready, theres always uncertainty, we walk by faith not by sight
nothing wrong with science or magic
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime
in the core of the sense, there is no difference even between science and religion.
its all sects, dogmas, and mental prisons in the present paradigm of the time.
MrAntoniG 1 year ago
@MrAntoniG nope
science uses a rationale(or paradigm) to solve mystery
religion just worships a particular rationale(paradigm)
science uses light to enlighten the dark
religion stays in the dark and worships the light
science questions
religion believes
religion means bound in reliance/belief, root word 'liga' as in ligament, ligature, 're' as in reliance on, respect to. Like 'legion', religious to caesar.
look up science's meaning
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime
thats a very good comparison
i like it.
regardless, look up how paradigms work in science, and how in today's reality, one scientist called the discovery of another scientist, a "heresy" because it went against the current (and out of date) paradigm.
that is why i said 'in the core'.
if you remove all the layers that science and religion claim to have to differ between each other, youre left with sects and dogmas, believers and non-believers.
MrAntoniG 1 year ago
@natmanprime also, just look at the progression of science throughout history.
at a given time, it claims that this is how things are because its scinece, only to completely contradict itself 5 years later, to say, "NO! THIS is how things reallly are."
its an unending process.
MrAntoniG 1 year ago
@MrAntoniG no.
look, at it's core they are ideas about the world. Everything is an idea about the world! does that mean everything's a religion?
Is a dog's idea of the world a religion?
It's all PHILOSOPHY. dogma is a subset of philosophy. science is a different subset, because it does not rely on dogma, it relies on testable experiment. Science is always trying to discover more, finding new paradigms. even though some scientists don't agree, they WILL agree to an experiment.
Dogma doesnt
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime
They are both social and cultural institutions, invented and taught by men. Therefor they will both apply to his policies, his regulations, his boundaries. Which is what I think AntoniG was trying to get at. Even science has its prejudices and assumptions, much like many religions.
Industrious420 1 year ago
@Industrious420 *facepalm*
ok what prejudices and asumptions does science have?
THE WHOLE POINT OF SCIENCE IS THAT YOU REMOVE AS MUCH ASSUMPTION AS POSSIBLE.
The whole point of religion is that it does the opposite
if you can find some prejudce and remove it, you'd be left with...better science.
if you do the same with religion you eliminate it.
Do you see?
Please don't demean that which you're making use of.
So he's talking rhubarb and so are you.
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime
Really, is the world still square? Are you not aware of the difference between a theory and a law? Science is based on fundamental assumptions, much like you are. Type 'assumptions of science' into google, why should I sit here and do the work for you?
And arguing the semantics of religion or science isn't what I'm getting at. You need to zoom out, take a broader view of the subject we are discussing here. Stop being such a prickle. Be goo.
Industrious420 1 year ago
@Industrious420 well if it's not about the semantics of religion and science, what IS it your getting at?
What do you recommend in it's place, as a means for exploring the world?
I've already suggested going back to enlightened hermeticism, a combination of mysticism and science.
You don't seem happy with that, determined to reduce science to religion.
Or are you trying to elevate religion to science?
What's your real agenda here?
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime
I don't want science to be replaced, I just wish it would encompass everything. I'm mostly speaking pseudo-sciences here, but psychedelic drugs/the intangibles. I realize most science is funded by people who expect solid, statistical results...but it's hard to ignore the fact that mainstream science generally ignores these "outcast sciences" because they don't play with their rules.
Science will continue to do great things for this species, and could do more if unrestricted.
Industrious420 1 year ago
@natmanprime
Also, I don't want science reduced to religion - all religions create division and serve to establish power. Anyway, a fair balance is necessary in science, a compromise between the left-and-right-brain science. You can't just draw a line and say "if it falls within the 5 senses it's science, anything else is imagination". Great scientific discoveries have come from experiences that were not definable by the 5 senses.
Industrious420 1 year ago
@Industrious420 i checked basic assumptions, and only no.s 4 and 5 are correct. the others are bs.
your notion of 'drawing the line' and 'fair balance' just shows you haven't read all of my comments properly.
please do yourself a favour and look up HERMENEUTICS.
btw you're not talking about science anymore, but the restriction of science. big difference.
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime
There's more than the 5 basic assumptions, and has been many more since the inception of science. And I do read your comments properly. If you can't see that science isn't a perfect institution then there really is nothing I can do to change your mind. Restriction of science is included in science itself, because we're speaking of what science encompasses. You can't just exclude and include certain aspects of reality based on personal judgments or bias.
Industrious420 1 year ago
@Industrious420 we're not talking about the institution built around science, that's called 'scientism'. We're talking about science itself.
science=knowledge (acquired by study)
i shouldve said hermeticism, was more relevevant to my point, but hermeneutics isn't so bad, you see it's based on Hermes, a god who kinda coverd this thing.
anyway, we know 3 things: that we are, what we feel, that we percieve.
Science is a philosophy that deals with perception only.
But:
religion
is
nowhere!!!
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime
I looked up Hermeneutics, and it seems to be the study of scripture and text? That's great and all, but it really only applies to Historians and Anthropologists. If science wants to achieve it's goal of being the standard for educational research of the universe, it has to open it's 'borders' and recognize the aspects of reality it deems myth and fictional. Science cannot explain my dreams, or even sleep for that matter. Science cannot explain "free will" either.
Industrious420 1 year ago
is that Zelda music!
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NatureLovesCourageTM 1 year ago
Final Fantasy 7 music is amazing with this.
RossbartonFS 1 year ago
Psychedelic travelers, occultists, magicians and meditators DO bring information and consciousness into existence.
Albeit something that is not yet perceivable by the severly limited Mainstream Scientific (note the ose of the word 'mainstream' here) 5-sense reality; dictating that this tiny frequency range of visible light/information is all there is.
That's bullshit, therefore enslaving us just as religions did in the past. The powers that try to be know this. Our answers lie within.
Guitarscreech06 1 year ago
all hail the mushroom it is the path towards freedom!
Eldel15 1 year ago 2
The music is absolutely annoying.
JerseyFinch 1 year ago
mesmerizing eloquent with words
kiroo54 1 year ago
Interesting, shame about the damn music, crap and too loud,
quinnjin2 1 year ago
"If A causes B at time x, it does not mean it will be so at x+1, this is obviously nonsense"
So the principles he states in his video might be true today, but false tomorrow.
modelmark 1 year ago 2
HOLY SHIT, MCKENNA and Nobuo Uematsu music director for final fantasy 7.
Who ever edited this video, I have mad respect for, and you've made my jaw drop!
Thank you, Live long and Prosper.
FyoNx2 1 year ago 2
the music is unnecessary, distracting and annoying.
theinkbrain 1 year ago 3
Astronomy and astrology are equally valid? Wow, what a dumbass.
yehcnimoigres 1 year ago
Science will never be able to explain my experience or how I experience. Atheists are closed off to their own reality and fail to pick up on the subtle signals God sends all of us at all times. I won't get into what those signals are as they run the gammut.
Kostly 1 year ago
@Kostly Science will never be able to explain everything because every answer will open another question. But the problem is people jump to conclusions such as theism etc. There comes a point, or a limit of what we can know where we just have to admit that we dont know anything more than that. It is how religions are formed when people essentialy make up truths just because science can't explain otherwise. We must not jump to conclusions. it slows down the progress of true knowledge
NerfHerderD17 1 year ago 4
@NerfHerderD17 I agree with you 100%. I heard it best when I heard it put like this: "When you have a golf ball sized conciousness, you have a golf ball sized understanding, you havea golf ball sized wakefulness, you have a golf ball sized reality. You have to expand that golf ball to a greater size. Scientists choose their size. It is definitely not a complete size. Although, together, they form a "whole". It is not the whole.
Kostly 1 year ago 2
@Kostly David Lynch ;)
lvIeIvl 1 year ago
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@Kostly Science will never be able to explain everything because every answer will open another question. But the problem is people jump to conclusions such as theism etc. There comes a point, or a limit of what we can know where we just have to admit that we dont know anything more than that. It is how religions are formed when people essentialy make up truths just because science can't explain otherwise. We must not jump to conclusions. it slows down the progress of true knowledge
NerfHerderD17 1 year ago
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@Kostly Science will never be able to explain everything because every answer will open another question. But the problem is people jump to conclusions such as theism etc. There comes a point, or a limit of what we can know where we just have to admit that we dont know anything more than that. It is how religions are formed when people essentialy make up truths just because science can't explain otherwise. We must not jump to conclusions. it slows down the progress of true knowledge
NerfHerderD17 1 year ago
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@Kostly Science will never be able to explain everything because every answer will open another question. But the problem is people jump to conclusions such as theism etc. There comes a point, or a limit of what we can know where we just have to admit that we dont know anything more than that. It is how religions are formed when people essentialy make up truths just because science can't explain otherwise. We must not jump to conclusions. it slows down the progress of true knowledge
NerfHerderD17 1 year ago
mmm. popper might have something to say on this. science is falsifiable. there is something more than internally consistent and astrology is not falsifiable, nor is religion. its all bullshit because no experiment you can do can disprove it. Look at the applications of astrology or religion..... look at the applications of science. enough said
onlyguitar1001 1 year ago
shouldn't the speaking be louder than the music?
herrsexyhosen 2 years ago 77
Astronomy is perhaps internaly consistant but it makes claims of baseless cause and effect relationships and forms baseless catagories. So something is wrong with what TM is saying. And science is happy to explore changing laws over time... Time is a dimension... Quantum physics.. Big bang conditions.. Etc...
PhantasyStarship 2 years ago
Love Mckenna. The music sounds like something from Final Fantasy VI or VII. Thanks so much for posting this!
xATTACKK 2 years ago 2
Jesus christ, people. Can we kill the Legend of Zelda bullshit background music? Makes it harder to discern what he's saying.
Chances are that if you need pictures and background music to go along with what's being said, your brain isn't paying enough attention.
zznarcolepsy 2 years ago 3
thankyou
chipdouglas42 2 years ago
kill the music track.
TheHankoblanko 2 years ago 3
Science is merely a tool. Tools have limitations. It has worked for us pretty well to this point but our species have become too reliant on it.
zorbazoo 2 years ago
It's telling that the images in this video wouldn't be available without science. We'd be in our caves wondering what the lanterns in the sky are, as many in the Muslim world still do.
If people would take the time to learn some science, Mckenna would be looked at as an ignorant fool. Unfortunately, learning and understanding science requires effort, while magic, religion, and postmodernism don't. You simply turn off your critical thinking and believe, with no foundation for that belief.
heathdwatts 2 years ago
all science provides is extrinsic knowledge. it offers no way for one to grasp their own feelings, or to build an internal understanding of oneself..ones own mind is best observed by ones own mind..science has no bearing on the intangible, intrinsic world deep within the human mind. science is not all mighty truth.
itzahazylife 2 years ago
There is only one kind of knowledge. If you and I know the same information, we know it--extrinsically and intrinsically.
If intangibles are immeasurable, they aren't real. There are many unknowns, and science certainly does not claim to know everything, but you seem to be proposing that we not attempt to know everything and to take some things on faith. Without science, we'd be living in caves and fearful of the dark. There is no reason to believe that something is true without evidence for it.
heathdwatts 2 years ago
@heathdwatts
"Without science, we'd be living in caves and fearful of the dark. "
Tell that to the Ancient World, both pre-Flood societies and later ones, that built wonders like the Pyramids, which science still fails to repeat. We can't even come together on a theoretical model on how the pyramids were built to begin with.
Guitarscreech06 1 year ago
@Guitarscreech06 The Egyptians used science and math to build the pyramids. We could build a replica today, but the cost would far outweigh the benefits. I'm not sure what your source is about our lack of ability to build a pyramid, but I'm presuming you're getting your information from a pseudoscientific treatise. As for your idea of dating history based on a flood, I ask which flood, and from which mythology? There is no evidence supporting the Noah story, other than the bible.
heathdwatts 1 year ago
@heathdwatts your words make you sound fairly intelligent, so I find it hard to believe that you can truly be missing the point of what everyone here is saying. We need to explore everything, and as a scientist you must know that individuals are predisposed to interacting with reality in radically different ways. Listen to the words of George Clinton.
voxefex 1 year ago
@voxefex Yes, I agree, we need to explore everything, but if we don't explore everything in a systematic reproducible way, we're wasting time and money. I'm not talking about music and art; with regard to those subjects, I think that anything goes. With regard to science and math, everything does not go. 1+1=2, regardless of your cultural paradigm. You may represent the numerical symbols differently, but the quantitative relationship remains the same.
heathdwatts 1 year ago
McKenna spent much of his time studying science--he spoke highly of the insights of quantum physics. What he's saying is that it should not be the absolute tool of human understanding. There is more to existence then our perceptions and capacities can accurately describe. Hence, he felt that all models of viewing the world be on the table and respected--after all, they are just models, that in time will be replaced and changed. Open your mind.
treemetree 2 years ago
So what method did McKenna offer for understanding that which science can't study? Astrology, alchemy, intelligent design, religion, and all other non-scientific methods for studying the world pale in comparison with science. People like McKenna make claims that there are other ways of understanding how the universe works, but they offer no evidence for their claims.
heathdwatts 2 years ago
He understood what science did. What he is talking about in this video, and what he consistently talked about, is that there are other ways to interpret things which are experienced. For instance, he felt that a psychedelic experience could raise consciousness---could science do that? No. It can explain it, sure, but that's a different realm than experiencing it. As he said--multipluralism--different fields addressing different aspects of existence.
treemetree 2 years ago
Personally feeling that a psychedelic experience raises consciousness does not prove that it does. Can you show conclusive evidence that it raises consciousness for all users?
Without evidence, claims are empty. Read about Sagan's "Dragon in the Garage". It's the same concept.
heathdwatts 2 years ago
This is the point of contention. McKenna argued that personal experience, contrary to the scientific opinion, is important and is valuable.
I would recommend you look up a Johns Hopkins study done a few years ago that concluded that mushrooms do in fact evoke entheogenic (spiritual) properties.
Although, to the psychonaut, this needed no scientific verification--they have already experienced something novel to them. And, unlike the scientist, the psychonaut cares about the value of experience.
treemetree 2 years ago
I argue that learning, studying, and experiencing scientific discovery is a very pleasant experience. I'm a computational chemist and I use quantum mechanics to determine how molecules interact and to explain experimental data. Quantum mechanics, relativity, evolution, mathematics, and other sciences are beautiful. They not only instill a sense of wonder, but they help to explain how our world works in a consistent manner that is not possible with non-reproducible, personal experiences.
heathdwatts 2 years ago
Again, McKenna respected such things. He felt individuals should learn as much as possible--however, as he stated in this video, it was a matter of not limiting oneself to one model of how the world works. Chemists and physicists will learn about the physical nature of the universe, mystics will teach how to live, and direct experience is not a pointless activity without meaning for the individual.
Your latter question...to the starving of the world, computational chemistry has no value to them
treemetree 2 years ago
Actually, what I'm working on is a project that will help us extract energy from plants and to better understand how plants grow. That might actually serve the starving world better than psychedelic drugs and mysticism.
heathdwatts 2 years ago
Great. And, as McKenna said in this video, what he's talking about doesnt apply to those who actually produce something useful. McKenna applauded all efforts to expand our understanding. He studied theoretical physics and astronomy in his spare time and had a UC Berkeley degree in Ecology and Conservation. But, again, he didn't feel that science was the only legitimate form of human inquiry. And, again, he stressed that there should be all options on the table.
treemetree 2 years ago
Great. I eagerly await the day when spiritualists, religions, postmodernists, and psychedelic drug users will bring something useful to society that will produce tangible results similar to those that science has give us. Psychedelic drugs are partially responsible (as is heroin) for some of my favorite music. They are not responsible for increasing the standard of living and the average age of humans. I won't hold my breath for the "options" to science.
heathdwatts 2 years ago
To be fair, religion and faith have been linked with optimism--and thus higher life spans. Also, religion, spirituality--etc--give people something science cannot--a meaningful worldview, a purpose, a community, etc. And when McKenna is talking about science--he refers to the most abstract kinds; he explicitly states he isnt referring to engineers and the like. So it seems you are misunderstanding what he's talking about. Also--science cant work for everyone--hence, other tools are needed.
treemetree 2 years ago
Religion providing a meaningful world view? Are you serious? You actually think that texts from the Bronze age, written by people from the Bronze age offer us a meaningful world view? Having read the Bible, the Koran, and the Hindu texts, I really don't consider them credible sources for a world view. It is true that science does not offer ethical guidance, but getting our morality from the bible is like getting our food from the toilet.
How is it that science can't work for everyone?
heathdwatts 2 years ago
Neither McKenna nor I were/are religious--but billions of people are and have been. Doesn't make it absolutely true--but it doesn't diminish their legitimacy against a group of physicists who seek to understand the universe.
Also, to be fair, Albert Hoffman and his child (LSD) showed in an experiential sense, the concepts held by physicists--that everything is relative according to the location of the observer, and that any description of the universe is innaccurate minus the observer.
treemetree 2 years ago
And, as for the last question--most people cannot be scientists, cannot comprehend the theories, etc. And they shouldn't be expected to.
McKenna felt that no field of thinking takes preeminence, since no field can comprehend all existence--as history has shown, virtually all thought processes will in time undergo radical changes or even get lost.
treemetree 2 years ago
Because science can't explain what happens after death.
Science cannot study death, as you can't come back from death to offer a new opinion and facts upon what you've learned from dying.
A plausable theory that works for EVERYONE is: Your beliefs are 'locked' into your brain. Your brain then functions upon the Moralities, Values, and Ethics of your beliefs. When you die, whatever you believed would happen after death, happens in your conciousnes AS you die, then you REALLY die.
The End.
KillTheFace55 2 years ago
So far, nothing can explain what happens after death. A systematic, scientific approach may one day allow us to know what happens. Religion offers no answers, only stories that are contradictory and unprovable.
It's really not an interesting question. It's like asking what happened before the universe existed. People should concern themselves more with the quality of their own life and the lives of others, rather than worrying about eternity. Your theory is actually an untestable hypothesis.
heathdwatts 2 years ago
I had a similar idea to yours.What you would think would happen to you after you died, would happen. This is why religion and such things teach us to be a "good person" so that our minds dont create a hell in our own minds after we die.( not to justify everything religion tells us to do) but they do have a similar message behind them: to live a good life.
Mabey the DMT in our brains causes this to happen.
JonEffect 2 years ago
Yes. Very plausable amongst the "infinite" other theories.
d3tach3d 2 years ago
Science is not a philosophical or spiritual framework. Its a framework from which we can gain a slowly increasing degree of understanding about nature. Science does'nt tell you who you are as an individual, it tries to tell you what you are as an organism.
WoodlandRavah 2 years ago
@heathdwatts Sorry bro, go learn about Microsofts history. They were all hardcore shroomers.
mrjoje 2 years ago
dude hes not gonna get it. good try though
JOE69541 2 years ago
Also, why would anyone, with a choice, do anything that had no value?
heathdwatts 2 years ago
"treemetree" summed it up better than i ever could have..it's about personal experience..when the mind experiences something profound,science can exlpain why it happened, but the measuring device, or the scientist cannot grasp it ..they never experienced it. if science never really grasped the event, that doesn't make it invaluable. that's the whole point..just because science cannot verify something, doesn't make it invaluable. there are many things people experience that science cannot verify.
itzahazylife 2 years ago
@heathdwatts
FYI, magic (if you're talking about the occultist/esoteric stuff, not stage magic/illusionist tricks) takes practice and learning as well. People tend to fuck around with it and cause unwanted effects, just as one is able to screw up parts of laboratory work and get the wrong results than what was expected beforehand.
Guitarscreech06 1 year ago
@Guitarscreech06 Magic is an illusion, whether one is talking about magic tricks or the lies that occultist charlatans use to gain power. FYI, the Harry Potter movies are not documentaries. :)
heathdwatts 1 year ago
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Mckenna has some great insights but this is not one of them...
heartthehorse 2 years ago
why not ?
Zabek2006 2 years ago
what's the music? Sounds gooood!
dairniel 2 years ago
It's from a game Called Final Fantasy 7 Look up the music for that game, very good music.
Changeisgood12 2 years ago 2
indeed. oh the old memories from ff7
JLKnoxville 2 years ago
Yeah, amazing game for that time period. I actually played the game this past month. Be like years since I remember playing before that.
Changeisgood12 2 years ago
Is this guy really saying a mushroom is talking to him?
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
Got a problem with that?
TuckmanJiggityJones 2 years ago
Yes, it's completely moronic, and you're moronic if you think it actually happens.
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
He's describing an intense psilocybin experience, let's see you do better.
TuckmanJiggityJones 2 years ago 2
He thinks shrooms and astrology are magic, and can describe reality on the same level as science. Do you really buy this shit?
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
Nietzsche: "Often reader and author do not understand each other because the author knows his theme too well and finds it almost boring, so that he leaves out the examples he knows by the hundred; but the reader is strange to the matter and finds it poorly substantiated if the examples are withheld from him."
guitaoist 2 years ago 6
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I'm pretty sure I understand this guy is a freaking nut case.
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
sanity is conditoned psychosis.
Walshd55 2 years ago 29
I bet you thought that was a good one when you came up with it.
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
@Walshd55 I agree completely; we live in a world where we believe that causality and routine reigns supreme over all, yet when we go beyond this and open the mind to unbounded states of consciousness (through transcendental meditation, psychedelic use, trance states, etc) we find something much quarkier, and much more counter-intuitive... Yet something more REAL than our 3rd dimensional, collectively experienced reality.
Contrary to popular belief, this is where truth dwells. . .
Namaste
jw22345 1 year ago
@Walshd55 *rationalised* psychosis.
natmanprime 1 year ago
You are so stupid.
mickehill 2 years ago
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You're probably a stupid shroomer that thinks he has had some spectacular reality revealed to him but in all honestly you where just high.
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
@JupiterJazzjaa2 Mushrooms DO reveal a spectacular reality, although I do agree far too many people think they have it all figured out after the experience occurs.
The best is to be humble about your experiences and do not assume you are more spiritually enlightened than others, because when you try to explain an experience it is impossible to fulfill your desires for them to realize it.
Consciousish 2 years ago 8
@Consciousish Very good post. For me, my first trip really leveled everything out. I never looked at someone and held myself higher. I am no better, or more valuable than the next person.
After that, it felt like it opened my mind so much, I actually worked towards learning as much as possible. Every moment I get, I try to learn as much as possible.
However, I must venture back in again soon. :)
Pr3lude9 1 year ago 5
that only means ur conciousnes is little.
lobato87 2 years ago
my father quotes this to me often :)
TheOriginalEntz 2 years ago
you're an idiot.
2992isthatall 2 years ago 3
Alright, I'll admit I might be misinterpreting his point, so why don't you explain it to me?
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
yup
thatbastardson 2 years ago
Yup what?
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
you said is this guy saying a mushroom is talking to him, and i said yup, that's what hes saying. that is exactly what he is saying.
thatbastardson 2 years ago
Yeah, sorry I couldn't see which one you replied to.
JupiterJazzjaa2 2 years ago
Terence's voice is somewhat melodic anyway. The music is good, listen to them together.
onlyguitar1001 2 years ago
music aint loud its called choosing the audio you want to hear, or maybe its just the weed i smoked that makes the two separate audio waves more audible
doomguardian 2 years ago 3
why the f- is the music louder than his voice in most every video !!! sad -
norcalcaveman 2 years ago
To loud music, can't get whay the guy says.... sad...
ishmahin 2 years ago
omg U again. this guy's a retarded scientologist, let's harass him! Separately, u do have a point with ur comment here, and I am glad u didn't refer to some dianetics idiocy like: The reactive mind hears better without the music. Anyway, have a nice day. :P
buffelklov 2 years ago
omg FFVII soundtrack love it
rockle18 2 years ago 4
the last 30 seconds of the melody sounds just like the lady in the radiator's song about heaven in eraserhead.
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BluestarShaman 2 years ago
I agree with those comments some of mckennas claims are strange and seem to be pure speculation but he admits in many of his lectures that he does't have any verifiable answers and i honestly believe this should not stop anyone from listening to and taking his ideas seriously.He makes such amazingly insightful observations about the nature of reality he takes you out of your ordinary world and gives you a very diffferent perspective on things.
gar7777222 3 years ago 5
his esoteric insights are generally as coherent as jung's.
rick4318 2 years ago 2
You must be a good person if you like terence mckenna AND final fantasy vii!
thank god there are others out there!
eonblueeulogy 3 years ago 6
Final fantasy has nothing to do with Mckenna
enphax 3 years ago
well said enphax...lol
they did a decent job with it though...
cronodob 3 years ago
the music is from final fantasy, thats why he said it.
bignube 2 years ago
But the game worked with a lot of the same archetypal themes that mckenna centers his talks on. Gaia, technology, magic, good and evil, historical time and religious themes, the earth goddess of the ancients vs the all knowing destructive domineering god figure of sephiroth, etc.. So it fits very well.
LothairApoclyane 2 years ago
terence mckenna = awesome
ff7 = awesome
javajay7 3 years ago 4
What's happening indeed!
buggfire 3 years ago
i think he's right, our brains are continuing to evolve, whether we realize it or not, and this evolution is drawing us closer to the ultimate truth hidden deep within each and every one of our conciousness'. science is simply the observation and recording of the physical world followed by the creation of laws of the physical world using mathematics. Is mathematics the true language of matter? we do not yet know.
micahisprettycoo 3 years ago
Definitely I agree. Mckenna is a genius and years ahead of his time, but I dont agree with some of the far out things he says. His ideas need to be heard tho. too many people are sleeping.
hunterhalo2 3 years ago 2