totally agree.. first of all your power wont come from the last small push off the ground.. it be coming from the core and down xD.. I never done that exercise.. I still got more leg power han most.. because my back core and ass are trained xD... Power comes from ass!! xD..
Hey Josh, what do you think of Jumpsoles? I've been using jumpsoles to increase my vertical. It works very good because it works the fast twitch muscles. My lateral, linear, and reaction abilities increased dramatically....Of course I follow your leg training exercises too. I just wanted to get your input on jumpsoles.
Calf raisers will give your calves size, and possibly strength, but do nothing to increase your vertical. But if your calves aren't string why to handle the force generated by your upper legs and glutes, your vertical went be very good either. So workouts that incorporate calves in with the rest of the leg will have the best benefit
Ever seen nate robinson? I don't feel like listening to you bash an exercise because some websites are too pushy in the promotion of the exercise. The calf raise is an essential exercise, and while your calves are better than the average, a trainee should never assume he does not need to focus on a muscle. You, sir, never know what the individual trainee needs to do. give exercise tips, not exercise rules
@DrKanada If citing an athlete serves you as a professional resource, I suggest no one takes your advice. Some boxes say do 2,000 crunches a day, I would NEVER recommend that to a client. At the end of the day, the beauty of this is that you can still do whatever you want and if you believe calf raises = higher vertical...have at it..
@Drkanada ... Why don't you try to stand with your legs locked straight then jump never bending knees from that position and see how much height your calves give you in vertical jump.
You are obviously not educated enough to make any comments regarding Athletic Performance if you cannot understand this guys points. Im highly critical of most "gurus" videos i come across but must say this is a good source
@DrKanada Calf raises aren't the only thing that activates your calfs, olympic styled lifts and vertical jumps serve just fine to work your calfs. Just like you don't need to do bicep curls to work your biceps. They're called compound exercises, welcome to the 21st century.
@DrKanada You sound like that kid bashing twins video.And jhashey response is pretty much the same.you can do what you want.. Its just advice :).besides.Ofc all exercise is good.but it all depends.. He's not saying its useless
Calf raise does make you Jump higher if you never done them before , I've done them my whole freshman year and I've gone from not touching net to getting my fingertip on the backboard, after you don't see anymore gains, do plyometric and weightlifting, I currently have around 30 inch vert and if anyone know any exercise I could do that get me immediate gain, please reply to me I'm pretty close to touching rim I just need a few more inches but I just can't seem to get them
The calf raises for vertical jump is funny! I train my athletes at a local fitness center so I see tons of dad's teaching their kids seated calf raises and calf raises on the leg press because you know you jump from the machine plus jump soles and wait for it walking on your tip toes around the gym.Funny keep doing what your doing I support you fully!! @dirty2620
Well said, plantar-flexion is extremely important but there's no need to train it in isolation, your OL and plyo's should contribute more then enough....
@whitch33tb just googled it to check it out for you since I hadn't hear about it. I'm not sure a program that says on their sales page that lateral movements are dangerous for the knees, so they leave them out of training would be for me (doesn't bball involve tons of lateral movement?) Anyways, the rest of the program may be great, I don't know - that just caught my eye.
Last time I checked that a vertical jump requires more than just the action of the gastrocnemius muscles. I have always thought calf raises were a non-productive movement unless you had atrophy from knee surgery and you needed to do some isolation movements just to get the muscles back on the "radar screen" of the brain. I think if anything, the calf raise would actually diminish potential for higher jumps considering the speed of the vertical jump versus the speed of calf raise.
dude don't beg for thumbs up or subscribes! that is soooo lame. if people like your stuff they will do it anyway. that shit makes me not want to do it.
@RobbinKjellin "please give me free expert advice but don't you dare ask me to incovience myself by clicking a button! I want free handouts ONLY. If you ask again, I won't let you give me free advice anymore." Back to reality - I encourage you to F off...and that's the last free advice from me ;)
@jhashey I was reading your response to that ridiculous comment and I about lost it lol. It was funny to say the least. If I follow someone on YT I "Like" their stuff to support them because they support me with the free info and vids. Keep up the good work.
Oh and I figure if you can squat 500lb or so and weigh say 200lb your bound to have a good vertical once all the mechanics of jumping are worked out ... so heavy squats for a big vertical (IMHO) ...
But, bro, I don't get super-sick pumps in my calves from jumping. We all know there is a correlation between athletisism and amount of sick pumps attained... just kidding. Nice video. And 100% correct.
I only do calf raises if I have time for them. Power exercises(plyos, jumps, oly lifts, etc) and hip/knee strength exercises (squats, deadlifts, unilateral moves) always go first, and in that order. If you're gonna talk about vertical training, I think you should talk about how plyos should be done (not fatiguing), and how important deloading is if you wanna see your jumps go up.
Calf Raises are a complete waist of time. All calf raises really do is tone your calves. Calf Raises aren't explosive enough to build any explosive power whatsoever. I would think that jump squats, sled pulls, and jump slit lunges would prove more effective. Ideally, any "vertical jumping" exercise would improve vertical jumps. How do you get better at pull ups? You do pull ups! Great video! I would tell anyone to simply keep it simple!
i disagree that u should cut it out.. but u shouldnt do it as often. do plyo jumps. calf raises are good for conditioning ur calves which u need as a supplement to improving ur jump
@watchyou11 You certainly can spend time on it if you really want too, but if your reasoning is good conditioning, wouldn't that time better be spent conditioning and developing explosiveness in the larger primary muscle movers?
@jhashey well its not just for good conditioning. i agree that u should def spend time on developing ur larger primary muscles, but ur body doesnt work in isolation, everything works with everything else thats basically why i dnt think its necessarily a "bad" thing to do but definately not something u wana base ur vertical training on. u need strong calves in order to absorb as well. they were made as apart of the legs shockabsorptionsystem( most sports are done on the balls of ur feet)
@dgwear69 Not hand in hand, but there is carryover. If they went directly all Olympic long distance runners would also be the world's greatest sprinters since they have elite muscular endurance...but it turns out they don't have elite 1 rm explosiveness. Different energy systems and power requirements.
Calf raises are definitely a waste for VJ, but I don't think the reason is because the power is "secondary" to that coming from the hips. My VJ is 2-4'' different in shoes versus barefeet because I can produce so much more power from my feet.. My reasoning would be that the calf is not even involved in plantar flexion when the knee is flexed, and the knee is flexed when you jump. IT's more about the achilles tendon, well all about the achilles tendon.
@RawAthlete Well thought out response, but to be clear, are you saying that the same amount of power comes from your calves as your hips, glutes, and thighs during a vertical jump?
@jhashey Nah. The achilles is very important in acting like a spring so the right shoes are definitely important. Sprints and jumps will train that area well
yea nobody ever told me calf raises help your vertical jump which is awesome i have had good trainers..best thing for strength in legs are lunges, squats, step ups, leg press, deadlift, clean....strength will help vertical as well strictly for vertical should do plyometrics excersises, jump squats, step ups, jump rope, box jumping and anyother type of jumping exercise would help anybodys vertical?? anymore suggestions imma a health and physical education major i want to learn as much as possible
hey joe. I have not seen any videos of yours concerning power cleans. if you could make a video concerning power cleans, and your opinion on them that would be great. Our high school football team also power cleans with chains. what is your opinion on that. we have mixed emotions over the cleans with chains due to several wrist fractures while training. thanks
@iwiwia Nice! Nothing wrong with calf raises for bodybuilding BUT I think many trainers (or internet "pros") get that confused with true athletic development.
@jhashey This is a great point the majority of people overlook when training any explosive movement, training the deceleration of a movement is equally if not more important than training the acceleration and A huge part of decelerating from a jump properly is knowing how to land properly. Same goes for running as many people just move right into running long distances instead of first learning the form.
totally agree.. first of all your power wont come from the last small push off the ground.. it be coming from the core and down xD.. I never done that exercise.. I still got more leg power han most.. because my back core and ass are trained xD... Power comes from ass!! xD..
sWeDEshuffLER92 3 weeks ago
Hey Josh, what do you think of Jumpsoles? I've been using jumpsoles to increase my vertical. It works very good because it works the fast twitch muscles. My lateral, linear, and reaction abilities increased dramatically....Of course I follow your leg training exercises too. I just wanted to get your input on jumpsoles.
luvmyrkm 4 weeks ago
Calf raisers will give your calves size, and possibly strength, but do nothing to increase your vertical. But if your calves aren't string why to handle the force generated by your upper legs and glutes, your vertical went be very good either. So workouts that incorporate calves in with the rest of the leg will have the best benefit
TacBrownie9 1 month ago
Ever seen nate robinson? I don't feel like listening to you bash an exercise because some websites are too pushy in the promotion of the exercise. The calf raise is an essential exercise, and while your calves are better than the average, a trainee should never assume he does not need to focus on a muscle. You, sir, never know what the individual trainee needs to do. give exercise tips, not exercise rules
DrKanada 2 months ago
@DrKanada If citing an athlete serves you as a professional resource, I suggest no one takes your advice. Some boxes say do 2,000 crunches a day, I would NEVER recommend that to a client. At the end of the day, the beauty of this is that you can still do whatever you want and if you believe calf raises = higher vertical...have at it..
jhashey 2 months ago
@Drkanada ... Why don't you try to stand with your legs locked straight then jump never bending knees from that position and see how much height your calves give you in vertical jump.
You are obviously not educated enough to make any comments regarding Athletic Performance if you cannot understand this guys points. Im highly critical of most "gurus" videos i come across but must say this is a good source
ValiantATHLETE 2 months ago
@DrKanada Calf raises aren't the only thing that activates your calfs, olympic styled lifts and vertical jumps serve just fine to work your calfs. Just like you don't need to do bicep curls to work your biceps. They're called compound exercises, welcome to the 21st century.
gayguy696 2 months ago
@DrKanada You sound like that kid bashing twins video.And jhashey response is pretty much the same.you can do what you want.. Its just advice :).besides.Ofc all exercise is good.but it all depends.. He's not saying its useless
sWeDEshuffLER92 3 weeks ago
Calf raise does make you Jump higher if you never done them before , I've done them my whole freshman year and I've gone from not touching net to getting my fingertip on the backboard, after you don't see anymore gains, do plyometric and weightlifting, I currently have around 30 inch vert and if anyone know any exercise I could do that get me immediate gain, please reply to me I'm pretty close to touching rim I just need a few more inches but I just can't seem to get them
Hmach4r 2 months ago
Hash,
The calf raises for vertical jump is funny! I train my athletes at a local fitness center so I see tons of dad's teaching their kids seated calf raises and calf raises on the leg press because you know you jump from the machine plus jump soles and wait for it walking on your tip toes around the gym.Funny keep doing what your doing I support you fully!! @dirty2620
DIRTy2620 2 months ago
Well said, plantar-flexion is extremely important but there's no need to train it in isolation, your OL and plyo's should contribute more then enough....
Kirky1909 2 months ago
what have you heard about the air alert program?
whitch33tb 2 months ago
@whitch33tb just googled it to check it out for you since I hadn't hear about it. I'm not sure a program that says on their sales page that lateral movements are dangerous for the knees, so they leave them out of training would be for me (doesn't bball involve tons of lateral movement?) Anyways, the rest of the program may be great, I don't know - that just caught my eye.
jhashey 2 months ago
Last time I checked that a vertical jump requires more than just the action of the gastrocnemius muscles. I have always thought calf raises were a non-productive movement unless you had atrophy from knee surgery and you needed to do some isolation movements just to get the muscles back on the "radar screen" of the brain. I think if anything, the calf raise would actually diminish potential for higher jumps considering the speed of the vertical jump versus the speed of calf raise.
JoshSonsiadekDC 2 months ago
@JoshSonsiadekDC Josh - as always, thanks for contributing a well thought out comment!
jhashey 2 months ago
dude don't beg for thumbs up or subscribes! that is soooo lame. if people like your stuff they will do it anyway. that shit makes me not want to do it.
RobbinKjellin 2 months ago
@RobbinKjellin "please give me free expert advice but don't you dare ask me to incovience myself by clicking a button! I want free handouts ONLY. If you ask again, I won't let you give me free advice anymore." Back to reality - I encourage you to F off...and that's the last free advice from me ;)
jhashey 2 months ago 17
@jhashey I was reading your response to that ridiculous comment and I about lost it lol. It was funny to say the least. If I follow someone on YT I "Like" their stuff to support them because they support me with the free info and vids. Keep up the good work.
Oh and I figure if you can squat 500lb or so and weigh say 200lb your bound to have a good vertical once all the mechanics of jumping are worked out ... so heavy squats for a big vertical (IMHO) ...
yyportne 2 months ago
Just to add a personal experience, I have not done A SINGLE calf raise in 10 years. I just recently hit a 47inch box jump... at 290lbs.
MDPowerlifting275 2 months ago
@MDPowerlifting275 amazing bow jump!
jhashey 2 months ago
@jhashey *box
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But, bro, I don't get super-sick pumps in my calves from jumping. We all know there is a correlation between athletisism and amount of sick pumps attained... just kidding. Nice video. And 100% correct.
MDPowerlifting275 2 months ago
@MDPowerlifting275 haha, imagine how many people would do them if gyms had more calf hieght mirrors to admire the pump!
jhashey 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
Face it guys he is right and your your gym teacher and "trainer" at 24 hour fitness is wrong.
gymratzac 2 months ago
I only do calf raises if I have time for them. Power exercises(plyos, jumps, oly lifts, etc) and hip/knee strength exercises (squats, deadlifts, unilateral moves) always go first, and in that order. If you're gonna talk about vertical training, I think you should talk about how plyos should be done (not fatiguing), and how important deloading is if you wanna see your jumps go up.
daballa100 2 months ago
Calf Raises are a complete waist of time. All calf raises really do is tone your calves. Calf Raises aren't explosive enough to build any explosive power whatsoever. I would think that jump squats, sled pulls, and jump slit lunges would prove more effective. Ideally, any "vertical jumping" exercise would improve vertical jumps. How do you get better at pull ups? You do pull ups! Great video! I would tell anyone to simply keep it simple!
markmil2002 2 months ago
i disagree that u should cut it out.. but u shouldnt do it as often. do plyo jumps. calf raises are good for conditioning ur calves which u need as a supplement to improving ur jump
watchyou11 2 months ago
@watchyou11 You certainly can spend time on it if you really want too, but if your reasoning is good conditioning, wouldn't that time better be spent conditioning and developing explosiveness in the larger primary muscle movers?
jhashey 2 months ago
@jhashey well its not just for good conditioning. i agree that u should def spend time on developing ur larger primary muscles, but ur body doesnt work in isolation, everything works with everything else thats basically why i dnt think its necessarily a "bad" thing to do but definately not something u wana base ur vertical training on. u need strong calves in order to absorb as well. they were made as apart of the legs shockabsorptionsystem( most sports are done on the balls of ur feet)
watchyou11 2 months ago
not that i dont believe you 100% but doesnt muscular endurance go hand and hand with muscle strength (1rm)
dgwear69 2 months ago
@dgwear69 Not hand in hand, but there is carryover. If they went directly all Olympic long distance runners would also be the world's greatest sprinters since they have elite muscular endurance...but it turns out they don't have elite 1 rm explosiveness. Different energy systems and power requirements.
jhashey 2 months ago
"...that its not even funny..."
krab82k 2 months ago
@krab82k agreed :)
jhashey 2 months ago
Calf raises are definitely a waste for VJ, but I don't think the reason is because the power is "secondary" to that coming from the hips. My VJ is 2-4'' different in shoes versus barefeet because I can produce so much more power from my feet.. My reasoning would be that the calf is not even involved in plantar flexion when the knee is flexed, and the knee is flexed when you jump. IT's more about the achilles tendon, well all about the achilles tendon.
RawAthlete 2 months ago
@RawAthlete Well thought out response, but to be clear, are you saying that the same amount of power comes from your calves as your hips, glutes, and thighs during a vertical jump?
jhashey 2 months ago
@jhashey Nah. The achilles is very important in acting like a spring so the right shoes are definitely important. Sprints and jumps will train that area well
RawAthlete 2 months ago
@1:57, I've followed you for a while now, I trust you, Joe.
cortisolman 2 months ago
Out of curiosity, what is your vertical, I'm curious because I wonder if all of that sled pushing has done you good.
umdterp999 2 months ago
@umdterp999 yes, it has done us good. Feel free to browse around the channel to see our athletes jumping.
jhashey 2 months ago
I've always heard the only way to get a better vertical jump was to do box jumps and squat ect. It makes sense
CGriffith910 2 months ago
If i wanted to practice my vertical id grab my two 35 pound kettlebells and start jumping.
visuallyblind09 2 months ago
yea nobody ever told me calf raises help your vertical jump which is awesome i have had good trainers..best thing for strength in legs are lunges, squats, step ups, leg press, deadlift, clean....strength will help vertical as well strictly for vertical should do plyometrics excersises, jump squats, step ups, jump rope, box jumping and anyother type of jumping exercise would help anybodys vertical?? anymore suggestions imma a health and physical education major i want to learn as much as possible
HyN0iK42 2 months ago
hey joe. I have not seen any videos of yours concerning power cleans. if you could make a video concerning power cleans, and your opinion on them that would be great. Our high school football team also power cleans with chains. what is your opinion on that. we have mixed emotions over the cleans with chains due to several wrist fractures while training. thanks
The39chief 2 months ago
Remember those vertical jump shoes? lol what a scam.
RjRocker87 2 months ago
@RjRocker87 guilty of owning a pair when I was 14 :(
jhashey 2 months ago
@jhashey Dude me too lol. Was also 14 or 15. Got no where with them. I nailed a 6'10" high jump by doing plyos, cleans, squats and sprints.
RjRocker87 2 months ago
I also have never prescribed calf raises and continue to get chirped by other trainers. Glad to have you on our side. Keep it up.
iwiwia 2 months ago
@iwiwia Nice! Nothing wrong with calf raises for bodybuilding BUT I think many trainers (or internet "pros") get that confused with true athletic development.
jhashey 2 months ago
do weighted jump squats help at all?
pipozZz 2 months ago
@pipozZz Absolutely. That is the probably the best way to develop single-jump explosive power.
TKMSeznam12 2 months ago
The best exercise for vertical jump? Doing Vertical Jumps...
TKMSeznam12 2 months ago
@TKMSeznam12 One of my favorites, and everyone should start there (after learning how to land). Good one!
jhashey 2 months ago
@jhashey This is a great point the majority of people overlook when training any explosive movement, training the deceleration of a movement is equally if not more important than training the acceleration and A huge part of decelerating from a jump properly is knowing how to land properly. Same goes for running as many people just move right into running long distances instead of first learning the form.
Moggs24 2 months ago