3M CARBON FIBER DINOC SUZUKI GSXR600 MOTORCYLE TRANSFORMATION

[0spooky]

do you use anything in particular to clean and protect the vinyl from dirt and the elements??

[3mdinoc]

@0spooky Though it is not manufactured nor marketed toward it (yet), you can use 3M Tire Restorer as a decent preventative measure against scratching. We first learned of this from restaurants who had swing doors installed with DI-NOC using the spray. Several staff members here have done it on furniture/tables installed and for almost 2 years, no blemishes when treated on a semi-regular (2 - 3 month) basis. Just spray and wipe evenly!

[phillysauce]

Rice

[Tl100078]

Wat temp do u adjust heat gun for applying the carbon?

[3mdinoc]

@Tl100078 Low to medium. Too high may cause damage to the vinyl and/or its texture.

[rodsdaytona]

I just finished up installing this same stuff on my 06' SV650S. the whole bike. Loved the finish alot. Unfortunitly my supplier didn't inform me about 3M 94 primer is a must! Its lifting in tight valleys. Like bubbling up. I push them down and then lifts back up. Heating up helps but then back up. Besides re-do any ideas? Also I didn't trim as tight, I wraped edges and glued to back side with headliner glue. Was affraid high wind might lift up.

Thanks for any help

[3mdinoc]

@rodsdaytona Since you wrapped the edges, you may be able to "unwrap" them and then apply the primer, depending if the DI-NOC factory adhesion wears away on the substrate. Otherwise, a redo is in order. You can purchase 3M 94 Primer from IDS 866-953-4662 (ask for Cameron). Good luck!

[rodsdaytona]

@3mdinoc Thanks. I'm in the biss, as a graphic installer in J-ville, FL. for 12 yrs now. First time I have ever worked with this stuff. I'm primarily working in auto graphics and stripes, lettering. Funny though I installed this stuff before I came to youtube. I had no idea what this stuff was capable of approched it like high perf. vinyl jobs. I look at my bike every morning drives my crazy seeing the lifting going on. Now I wish I had a do over.

[rodsdaytona]

@3mdinoc How do you determain where the primer needs to be applied. Is there a "rule of thumb" with the surface angle types? Also, will the primer bite into the factory paint\clear?

[summitsvift]

I had this foil , and it does not look anything like real carbon fiber , from 1 mile u can tell it's a cheap ( not so cheap though ) wrap

[3mdinoc]

@summitsvift There's many brands of carbon fiber vinyl on the market today, including several from 3M alone (they offer a thinner 1080 series now in addition to traditional 8 mil DI-NOC no gloss and a new 8 mil DI-NOC semi-gloss). Always be sure you're using REAL 3M material, there will always be the 3M logo on the liner!

[Tj1056]

@summitsvift yes because most of the vinyl is matte... clear coat it and it looks like the real deal

[875daily]

looks really good.. Next u should do a Busa

[blakmagikctr]

should have wrapped it all. looks a bit odd. but good job :)

[MyBoogeryBooger]

i know its very nice and everything, but ever thought of applying another layer of clear vinyl over it for protection and the real carbon fibre effects?? like the clear acts as the resin .. i did it on my scooter it looks pretty cool :)

[3mdinoc]

@MyBoogeryBooger We've heard of doing different ways of clear-coating, carbonfiberfilm's website (you'll have to google) actually did a blog post on this some time ago.  The customer in this case though wanted the dry carbon look. 3M now has a series of ScotchPrint films as well, under the 1080 series (CF12 for Black Carbon) that has a shinier appearance as well. Google it up to check it out!

[kisaknight626]

I didn't see you guys use the 3M primer. Is it needed/required?

[3mdinoc]

@kisaknight626 good observation, actually we did use 3M 94 Primer. Almost all DI-NOC applications require it. I'm not sure what happened because we usually make it a point to show us using it on camera to show the entire process. A video goof on our end this time around!

[namandrew]

I have a question. I wrapped my gsxr in the 3m carbon fiber di-noc wrap, and i noticed that after riding and the fairings heat up, the wrap gets soft and peels off in areas. Also on the right side fairing near the vent where the crease is it lifts when heated. Do you have any tips on how to prevent this?

[3mdinoc]

@namandrew Not sure if this helps, but when asking our techs and a few bike owners: "Many OEM fairings have heat shields. There is a product called Heat Shield Mat that can be used to reduce the heat and possibly help prevent this from happening." You can (google) search for "JEGS Performance Products #555-32033" or browse at jegs dot com

[cricket12ish]

can u put a gloss or lacquar on the finished product?

[3mdinoc]

@cricket12ish If you're looking for a glossy finish, you may want to check out the ScotchPrint 1080c series (item no. 1080-CF12 for Carbon Fiber Black) that Energy Products Distribution sells (tel: 800-537-3911)

[cricket12ish]

@3mdinoc ok thanks man

[summitsvift]

@cricket12ish no it will look like shit , i ve tried it

[drdrdr13]

Looks awesome ...but can you also do it at the front ? or is it not possible?

[3mdinoc]

@drdrdr13 you can apply 3M-DINOC anywhere you have a non-pourous substrate, and preferably easy access (as to squeegee it). The application on this bike was requested by the owner to simply do the sideguards, nothing else, only reason we stopped there...

[Phelpsms3]

Sweeet. I'm ordering some

[monki3]

how much does a sheet that size cost?

[3mdinoc]

@monki3 you can order at

idsfinishes (dot) com/shop/#ecwid:category=14246­7&mode=category&offset=0&sort=­normal

replace the word dot with an actual dot...YT won't let us post URLs in comments for whatever reason....

[wowerman]

i just did one small internal panel from zzr1400 and one mirror,so difficult if surface is so curvy,or you must make some cuts or use separate sheets.

[wowerman]

how to spot fake carbon fibre,is only 3m real one?another question is how to cover mirror with it?is it that much expandable so you cover all mirror?i do not want to get any creases

[bakuk1]

Pricewise......... looks like cheaper and less awkward way than respray.......

If I'll crash my bike now I'll definitely put that on :)~

[KingGeneral21]

What's that flat thing you're using to flatten it out? Can I just you a credit card or something wrapped in a thin sheet/cloth?

[3mdinoc]

@KingGeneral21 a 3M Gold Card Squeegee. You can use anything (even your hands) to "squeegee" out air bubbles, but it's best to use a card to be thorough. Be careful you do not ruin the finish by inadvertently scratching or scraping. Our installer in the video actually attached a piece of felt to the squeegee for even more protection from damage. You can also order the similar MacTac squeegee which is an all over felt type squeegee.

[vwgti101]

all that wasted di noc makes me sad.

[3mdinoc]

@vwgti101 beautiful thing about DI-NOC is that it's hard to waste...when using heat, you can take the wrinkles RIGHT OUT of the material and begin to reapply/remold. The only way to really waste is to get to a point where the material is not big enough for...anything that you'd want to cover. At last year's SEMA show, people on the showroom floor were grabbing "scraps" to apply to their cell phones!

[CarbonJohn]

@vwgti101

Fake carbon fiber makes me sad all together. I guess its ok if you either don't care, or just cant AFFORD real carbon fiber...

[CanadianFE]

Just ordered a sheet of this to do my roof, looking forward to playing with it.

Also, what is the effect of the heat gun? Does it shrink the material to match a profile or just make it soft and pliable?

[3mdinoc]

@CanadianFE Using a heat gun allows the material to be moldable around bends and corners for a "neat" fit. You'll notice once you get the material it's a little stiff due to its 8mil thickness. While that is great for flat surfaces, contours and concaves would be un-doable. 3M has made DI-NOC heat shrinkable, much like window film, but more pliable (less chance of tearing).

[CanadianFE]

Just ordered a sheet of this to do my roof, looking forward to playing with it.

[SteiniDJ]

I'd like to apply Di-noc on the interior of my car, but I want to be able to reverse the change if I so wanted. Can Di-noc be efficient without becoming something permanent?

[3mdinoc]

@SteiniDJ 3M DI-NOC is a permanent application to the substrate. It can be removed usually with simple heat and lifting/scraping, but variables such as any paint or overcoat on the original substrate may be affected. You alternately can install DI-NOC ontop of DI-NOC, up to 5 layers, though for a car interior this may be a bit challenging than a usual flat surface where it is recommended by 3M. As always proceed with caution.

[fireblade639]

@sofranko101 man, i know that, all of this is just appearance, this only works if some one like me wanna make look diferent the car or the bike, if i get bored i can just take it out and the painting will be the same from factory, whitout any scratch . the real carbon fiber is the best option if you really want to lose weigth for car or bike race competition, in other words "for the real racers".

[fireblade639]

HI, I´M INTERESTED ON THIS KIND OF VINYL, HOW MANY SHEETS DO I NEED FOR A SUZUKI GSX R 600 2008??? CAN I APLY A CLEAR COAT PAINTING ON IT FOR MORE DURABILITY???

[06202020]

how myc carbon fiber did u buy?

[3mdinoc]

@06202020 we're a distro. You can contact Cameron Forte for a quote at 866-953-4662 (866-95-DINOC)

[BrandonJay1983]

@06202020 Its not real cf

[2812vin]

Calm down suckers

[3mdinoc]

@2812vin the music is undeniably awesome though yes? all the more reason to get excited?

[leogun64]

How long will this stay on there? It looks amazing

[3mdinoc]

@leogun64 depends on how rugged you ride the bike. Normally, without wiping out or anything, about 2 - 3 years. Can last as long as 5. There is no expressed warranty on installation of the product however, only for material free of defects before install.

[MrMarkBeano]

in the process of doing my R1, cant wait for it to be finished! this stuff is amazing found it here at a good price carbonfibrewrap. com and is genuine 3m stuff!

[2812vin]

@MrMarkBeano Calm down its only a commercial

[piggyfidler]

what are the special application pads that you are using made of and is their a pack that can be bought with all of the squeegie type tools included as i am looking to carbon wrap my car roof. thanks

[VBtoonz]

Man, thats SICK! I'd love to see if the durability could be extended by layering about 2 coats of automotive clear coats. Just don't know about how much of fading would occur in time.

[tegdforlife]

is this flexible enough to wrap the entire tank? Ive seen pics of complete bike wrapped minus the fuel tank

[3mdinoc]

@tegdforlife yes, the benefit of DI-NOC is that it is completely wrappable around contoured and concave surfaces simply by using a heat gun at low setting. Browse our orther videos, including the refrigerators, for more details and examples.

[bikerboomer]

do the tank and upper fairing to bro! looks great.

[mrnice5916]

thats a badd assss mothera fucka

[Mazda6B6]

This stuff is awesome! Used it the wrap my Mtech lip on my BMW.

[vgsrule4ever]

does this stuff scratch easily? how well does it handle light abuse?

[3mdinoc]

it's hard to describe where terms can be very subjective, but what I can say is DI-NOC is recommended for up to 5 year EXTERNAL use (where the application would be subject to weather conditions). It's about the same durability as paint on automobiles in most cases, and you may wish to clear coat as such, though that will alter the intended appearance of the product.

[1993kyokushinkai]

whowe thats awsome how much cost that ?

i realy want something like that non my bike to.

[DTInstallations]

Prices vary by company's that do these type of wraps. We're in Southern CA. Material is a bit pricey.

[sarbat37]

why this 3M carbon sticker easy to peel off??any idea?Is it the adhesive too week?

[3mdinoc]

All leading edges need to be primed with 3M Primer 94. Once applied, it takes 48 hours for a full cure and ultimate bond. After those steps, you will see the bond is definitely permanent, and will take a lot of elbow grease and heat to remove.

[hearforall]

So is it safe to say that unless complete application surface is flat-finish primed the decal will easily peel off? Or does it just need to be edges? If I have an old paintjob underneath and I rough sand it but prime edges should I be OK?

[3mdinoc]

you want to prime where the material would be most susceptible to lifting, hence priming the edges at minimum. You may wish to prime the entire surface but your flexibility is greatly hampered once the primer dries, because it will stick so well (it really grabs a big bite on to the DINOC). Priming only the edges provides more flexibility in maneuvering and arranging the material, but it's honestly up to each individual installer. There's no wrong way to install.

[fyamin]

Loosing the texture is fine - Clear coat details would be very important. Real CF is smooth and shiny because of the resin.

Plus you will be able to wax it with clearcoat and treat it like paint. It may also provide more protection.

But if the material deteriorates in 5years or so from the inside (on external applications) then it may be expensive to redo it.

[Xolition]

This replicates DRY carbon, which is more expensive and NOT shiny.

[THEveggiedave]

Oh and i talked to a local specialty painter about possibly getting it clear coated. and he said that if you would probably have to put like 2 coats of clear on it..allow time for it to set in for like a month or something and then re-sand and put another 2 coats of clear on.

[THEveggiedave]

this is actually my bike. the stuff looks even better in person. and its very inexpensive.

[yhen123]

where can i get this?

[InnovationJunkie]

I have used this 3M vinyl aswell to coat the lid on my netbook (check my vid) and i can vouch for it. it really is amazing stuff. it just looks so realistic. personally i would not put a coat of gloss on it. it looks real enough without it. it also offers pretty good stone chip protection and stands up well to abuse. its great.

[Maverickas123]

a clear coat of paint would make it look more like carbon fibre, because usually carbon fibre parts have ressin in them which give them that glossy clear look...

[3mdinoc]

You can apply a clear coat to it but you may lose the texture.

[CarbonFiberGear]

Do you guys have any example pics of somebody that has clear coated it? I've had a lot of requests asking about it.

[3mdinoc]

No, I don't have any pics.

[leximus1983]

ive tried clear coating another similar product, and it tends to lose the effect and end up looking just a shiny black. I know of another company who uses 3m and have said when they tried it done the same thing. IMO don't clear coat it.