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  • Did you know that states did endorse religions a long time ago?

  • the "in god we trust" thing is no big deal at all, it's not like atheists can drive now. though if a person wants to replace an existing license plate, they should not use tax money.

  • Is it a nessesary plate? cause if not there is not really problem.

  • you are barking up the wrong tree. That's like asking the cashier at McDonalds if animals should have the right not to be eaten.

  • freddytk421,

    Yeah, at the end of the vid, I acknowledge that I felt bad about the call... but the state reps wouldn't return my calls.

    I thought at least with this phone call, people could see the stigma that people hold against atheists and the desire people have to tear down separation of church & state.

  • You shouldn't feel bad she kind of sounded like a tool (literally a tool)and she answers phones for a living so she probably shouldn't take things to heart and if she does she is in the wrong biz. I myself am an atheist but I don't think this is unconstitutional because this is not establishing a religion or hindering the practice of a religion. its just something for the old ladies to get and feel the lord loves them even more and they vote more than we do. They will all be gone soon enough.

  • I know I am a week late (sorry). This type of thing is absolutely unconstitutional because it is not an "extra charge" plate. Should taxpayers have to pay for "Praise be to Allah" plates? How about "Baruch Hashem" (Jewish praise)? what about "Atithi Devo Bhava" (Hindu praise)? Etc... What is fair to everyone without leaving anyone out? It's better to not admit any religions than to not include 99% of them. For an extra fee, they could have the plates, though!

  • Oh, please... this is ridiculous. Of all the things one should be worrying about, I don't think this is an issue.

    You worry about $3 in one state, whilst BILLIONS are being siphoned to the rich bankers? While BILLIONS are given to Illegals? While BILLIONS are being used to kill people in Iraq, etc? Wish you'd be this defensive of our Constitution re: Illegals, Bailouts, the Fed. Reserve, 2nd Amendment, Pres, not Congress, declaring wars, Voter Frauds, etc. This country has far worse problems!

  • English,

    This video is a couple of years old.

    I am against the bailouts and made a video of closing my savings account in protest of the bailouts.

    Also, even small problems should be fixed, shouldn't they? If you have a lifeboat leaking from a hundred small holes and a couple giant ones.... you need to patch the giant ones... but you'll still take on water from the hundred smaller ones if you don't stop them too.

  • It's time to stand up and get Religion Out Of Government. NOW!!!

  • Imrational, Thank you for this video. I live in Indiana and hate to see these God plates. Because I have always refused them, I didn't realise that there was no speciality charge. Thank you for making that clear. It's a despicable BMV, and therefore state government, endorsement of religion.

  • this is a desprate attempt for the religion, they know that people are starting to convert to atheism. they are scared. and this is just straight up bullshit. "in god we trust" ha what a load of shit.

  • While I agree with your point, ambushing a call-center worker is hardly the best way to get it across. She's just doing her job. If you're an Indiana tax-payer, you should be contacting your state reps and/or filing suit in court. Talk to Americans United for Separation of Church and State. They might be able to help you out.

  • bobnfreely,

    that's why I said that I was sorry at 1:43.  I had also called legislators, but that didn't return my calls.

  • God is not a religion,God is faith

  • This is absolutely true. Religion is a thief of both money and minds. I was appalled by these plates when I visited IN recently.

    Christians really do expect preferential treatment and it is only the Atheists who seem to have the balls to stand up to them.

  • As to being a real man... I have no issues there, so I suggest you try another line of insults. I feel quite secure in my masculinity. I also freely acknowledge that I'm bald and atheist too.

    Perhaps you could try some insults related to my poor sense of humor. I do feel pretty awkward about that.

  • lol, pwned.

  • Here are some examples of leftist PC worshipping Atheist double standards when it comes to duh..."protesting" ( Hint: Sarcasm) about religious "OPPRESSION" :

    Atheists NEVER condemn Moslems or Hindu groups when they do this at Tax payer's cost :

    1.Build numerous Islamic prayer halls, seperate toilet basins ( to wash legs before Azam prayer in western nations), Islamic schools, community centres, Halal food items and stores ( all paid by Christian tax payers), and anti-western rhetoric !

  • Where were the "protesting" voices of our "concerned" ( hint: sarcasm) Atheists , when :

    1. Moslem Imams call for beheading all infidels (Westerners irrespective of personal belief)

    2. Justify numerous violent crimes / rapes commited on white women/children by savage moslem gangsters - saying that "infidel whores deserve it" !

    3. Commit countless terrorist activities, murder (beheadings), honor killings,rapes, crimes, anti-west marches- yet love to live on our welfare system ?

  • mansequotte,

    Can you please point out where these "countless terrorist activities, murder (beheadings), honor killings, rapes, crimes, anti-west marches" happen IN AMERICA?

    I am against Sharia law being introduced into the United States and would be upset if it were made policy in England or other more secular countries.

    However, do you think we have the right to go into another country and depose their government if they pass laws or act in ways we find abhorrent?

  • mansequotte,

    Actually, I know of many atheists who were against publicly funded things like you described. Heck, just check out a lot of the videos here on YT. Search for "Fuck Islam". A lot of the videos were banned & blocked, but a lot should still be up.

  • 3. Now compare all these Red Commie Athiest evil scumbag losers with the more civilized, fine Christian leaders of Great nations such as Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Queen of England, J Pierpoint Morgan - a devout Episcopalan Christian ( the guy who saved USA twice from going bankrupt - he is the pioneer of Wall street and Finance/banking of this great nation), All the great Christian Presidents of USA ( U can cut off Clinton/Bush/Regan from the list - royal scumbags !)

  • mansequotte,

    Arguments have been made that Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc. were not Christian.

    I seriously think that you need to read some non-biased history. Check out their original letters and papers.

    I noted that your wrote "to conclude". Now that your rant is over, I hope you managed to excise some of that irrational anger you're feeling and can move on. Good luck.

  • Well then those arguments are WRONG ! Lincoln, Jefferson & Washington were devout Christians. Infact I will quote some of their religious views with references too.

    1. George Washington - Founding father of USA : ( Quotes)

    "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible"

    "What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ." [speech at Delaware, May 12, 1779]

    ( Ref : Library of Congress,Cong of Confederation 1774-89)

  • Thomas Jefferson:

    " The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man."

    "Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus." "I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."

    Ref:(Merrill . D. Peterson, ed., Jefferson: Literary Classics of the United States, Inc., Vol. IV, p. 289. From Jefferson's Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, 1781.]

  • Ah, the quote game.

    Abraham Lincoln, "The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession."

    As to Jefferson, I highly recommend a Jefferson Bible. He removed all references to divinity or supernatural.

    finally,

    "Sir, Washington was a Deist."

    -- The Reverend Doctor James Abercrombie, rector of the church Washington had attended with his wife

  • Ofcourse ur misquoted reference of Abe Lincoln fits perfectly with the agenda of Athiest losers/ dissenters trying to depict Lincoln as an Athiest - which btw is far from the truth ( no wonder the guy was buried in a Christian semetary - duh ( roll eyes).

    Abe was correct to say that the Bible was not his book ( after all, Abe never authored the Bible, neither did you nor I - it was the Prophets and Apostles). Also Xtianity / Judiasm is not my "profession" either - its a religion ! Simple.

  • Did I ever say that Lincoln or any of the founding fathers were atheist? No. I said that strong arguments have been made that they were not christian. Trying arguing actual points instead of blindly ranting. You might look a little less insane that way.

  • Sir, Washington was a Deist."

    -- The Reverend Doctor James Abercrombie, rector of the church Washington had attended with his wife ...blah blah blah...WHAT CRAP !

    PROVE IT ! DON'T CON ME ATHIEST, I HAVE QUOTED FROM THE MOST REFUTED SOURCES.JEFERSON WAS CHRISTIAN. HIS INSPIRATION WAS JUDEO CHRISTIANITY.

  • mansequotte,

    lol... don't believe me! BUY A JEFFERSON BIBLE! Google it! Download a copy from the Gutenburg Project! He was a Deist. He did not believe Jesus to be divine or the Son of God.

    As to Washington... Washington's rector said that Washington was not a christian and was a Deist.

  • So according to your deluded conspiracy Pro-Athiest junk theories....the supposed "Jefferson Bible" ( sounds more like leftist loony hack) is the truth wheras the much more reputed and Historically valid US Congress Library and State Departement at Washgtn DC are liars ???? The founding fathers who signed the decleration of independence might be turning in their graves just listening to your deceptive Athiest bile !

  • mansequotte,

    Apparently you feel so safe in your delusions that you will willfully ignore anything that challenges it. The Jefferson Bible is quite well known and a simple google confirms its existence.

    Lol, you are such a fun little troll! I should introduce you to some of my other trolls and let you all go at it. I think you might come out near top!

  • Since you keep harping about this Jefferson Bible, you should've also realized that it clearly states Jefferson's profound admiration of Jesus Christ and his prinicples.He may have questioned the story of the virgin birth & ressurection. But by no means was Jefferson an Athiest ! He DID believe in a God, also his principles WAS influenced by Judeo-Christian principles !

    Even Deists believe in a God !

    So take Athiest coupon my deluded nutjob pal & shove it up your pipe - moron !

  • lol, mansequotte...

    I never said that Jefferson was an atheist.

    "Even Deists believe in a God!". LOL! That's what Deism is! It's a belief in a impersonal creator. Wow... did you graduate at the top of your class at McDonalds?

  • LOL never heard of anyone graduating from "McDonalds"...unless that is one of the components of your delusional make-believe Universe - dumbell !

    1. Forget my typo errors here & there ( Is that ur best comeback - dumbell ?) First try & explain just what the heck does "Athiestic religions" mean ? You just used a paradoxial Oxymoron - translated as NONSENSE !

    2. Yes there is freedom of religion. But the constitution did NOT declare the United States as an Official Secular nation too !

  • 1. dumbell should be spelled "dumbbell", athiestic should be spelled "atheistic".

    2. I suggest you talk to a political science professor, the government is secular to preserve freedom of religion.

  • 1. Again Dumbell - on the internet-we use shorthand typo. Hence, the single "b". If the " English language" is so important to u, than why do you Americans screw-it by mis-spelling words like "Programme", also why is it that you Yanks screw-up the international SI unit system. When the whole freakin' world uses SI units like metres, Kilograms, cms...Yanks still use the outdated CGS system - Miles,Pounds,inches ( which is Illegal by law internationally).

    2. I suggest u get ur brains checked.

  • mansequotte,

    1. We use don't use the Metric system (and are thereby bucking international law apparently) because we're rebels. That's why your mother and sister love being done by Americans, they apparently like the badboy types.

    2. "I suggest u get ur brains checked". I notice you think I have "brains" and not merely a brain. I'm an average joe, not a super genius... although I'm sure that I can understand why you think so. Compared to you, a retarded chimp seems like a genius.

  • I recently migrated from Israel where I also did my time in the IDF ( juz for ur ignorant ass it stands or Israeli Defence Force) where my mother and sister also did their time ( In Israel military service is mandatory for 4 years at the age of 14. I don't think you fat brainless Yank types would stand a chance against my sister...she is quite proficient in Muy Thai Kickboxing, Shaolin Kempo 3 rd level & Krav-Maga ( a lethal and efficient Street fighting combat ). Did u mean "Madboy" types?

  • Mansequotte,

    Is there a lot of christians in the Israeli Defense Forces?

    and funny, but I thought your mother and sister did their time in your navy. You know, with all the semen.

  • "Is there a lot of christians in the Israeli Defense Forces?"

    "Is there" ????? Correction dumbass...it should be "Are there" (plural) !!! Moron you can't even form a sentence structure & u have the sheer chutzpah to point out at others ? You're pathetic !

    The IDF is comprised mainly of Jews. I'm Jewish too. Nevertheless, many Jewish people tend to be more sympathetic towards their Christian allies rather than the feral Moslems and Athiest cunts !

  • lol, keep attacking me for the one badly worded sentence or the one typo while you continue to spell "athiest" wrong. I'm sure that people reading these comments will see just how much smarter you are than I.  lol!

  • Well than my retarded friend....If I were really that, why would I ever make it into MIT's research program in Fluid Mechanics ? Or maybe you cannot even figure that out. Oh btw, you look uglier than a retarded chimp, atleast the chimp can jump trees and entertain - u sir, are a wasted lonely Athiest retard on the loose...with no life, G.f and just some lame attempts to spell check.

    I've actually answered every question that you spurted out...U'r still unable to answer mine...Hmmm dummy !

  • mansequotte,

    lol, your insults are so lame!

    Ooh, I'm so depressed, I'm bald and ugly. Lol... if it bothered me, I wouldn't have put my mug on YouTube.

    As to answering my questions, no. You keep ranting on the same material even when I correct you.  I've moved on past that now. I usually don't get into these petty little online squabbles, but with you I've made an exception. It's just too fun.

  • ". I suggest you talk to a political science professor, the government is secular to preserve freedom of religion."

    Really ? Then why are you so adamant to screw with the "freedom of religious expressions" of the majority of this country ? Why do you attack Christians ( who make the clear majority in USA) for simply practicing their constitutional right to freedom of religion & expression. Admit it, u people want to turn USA into a Communist Gulag, where being White/Jew/Xtian=Thought Crime!

  • mansequotte,

    I have no problems with christians being vocal. Let'em have the 700 club on TV, mangers in their yards and private businesses, Bible stores in the mall, etc.

    Just keep it out of the public government! If the government advocates one religion over and above others, then the others have their religious freedoms trumped on.

    As to "attacking christians"... who insulted who first in our little conversation, me or you?

  • Again you're missing the point. I any democracy or Secular republic....the majority DOES get more brownie points in the publ;ic sector too. Allow me to give you an example of yet another nation which is a Democratic Secular Republic just like the USA....that nation is India. India comprises of a majority Hindu population. Hence, even though it is a Secular Republic with the world's largest democracy....The Indian govt. has made special provisions and is influenced by Hindu customs in public !

  • So, because India favors one religion over others, we should too?

    "Majority rules" is a cliche. Yes, the majority frequently uses its power to infringe upon the rights and freedoms of minorities... however, that doesn't make it right.

    I am personally in favor of Freedom, not mob rule.

  • So I guess the majority should always pander to the minorities. This implies that tomm. every Heterosexual Christian-Jewish white male/female should be treated like a 2nd class citizen by the Govt. and media ( a lot of this is happening nowdays)...so are we supposed to bow our heads before every black, moslem, homosexual,athiest ( fuck the spelling..i don't give a shit !...you still can't make logical points bcoz ur fuckin stupid baldee)..Is that what u suggest u ugly low IQ Athiest cunt ?

  • mansequotte,

    How is letting everyone have equal rights making christians second class citizens?

    Oh, you also realize that i shave my head right? the baldy thing is a choice... so it's not exactly an insult when you call me a "baldee".

  • Are u serious ? Loos at whats happening ? Everywhere in the western world radical Leftist liberal anti-white/Christian PC is being practiced or rather enforced to the core. Is that what u call "Freedom".

    I mean a Black or a Moslem can do whatever the fuck he wants..he can live on welfare, chant anti-American, anti-Xtian/ Jewish propoganda - and no one dare arrest him. BUT, a healthy white Christian/Jew is always targeted by PC draconian laws. The Athiest, Gay, Leftist, Islamic lobbies are sick!

  • If this travesty is what you call "freedom"...than I say FUCK-UR-FREEDOM ! I'd rather live in a Judeo-Christianised 1st world society rather than see it turn into a 5th rate, 3rd world sewer polluted by low IQ liberal leftist traitors- Pro-Commie, Pro-Islamic,Pro-PC/ Multicultism, Pro-Athiest,Anti-white,Anti-Xt­ian/Jew ! Fuck political correctness.If Moslems, Non Jews/Christians, Athiests & other degenrates want to live here....they damn well STFU & conform to our norms,else they can piss off !

  • mansequotte,

    thanks for pointing out that you are against freedom. All the time, I have people comment on my videos that atheists should just leave instead of fighting for freedoms and equality. Well, you have easily shown that you and your ilk are the ones who should leave. You have no appreciation for freedom and seek to deprive others of theirs.

  • Why dontcha go and blurt this out in a moslem nation you Athiest pig ! Lets see what wonderful "freedom" those Moslems give you....

    Motherfucker here's a thought : True Freedom ONLY exists in a Judeo-Christian state...No Athiest ( eg : USSR, Cambodia, N Korea) & No Moslem state ( Eg: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan) can think of ever giving you Freedom. So be greatful & stop biting the hand that feeds you bitch ! All those people are right - If you hate Christians/Americans so much-piss off to Arabia

  • mansequotte,

    I am against welfare. I support freedom and sharia law definitely goes against that.

    However, I am also against christians passing laws or legislation that push their beliefs on others as well.

  • Can you show me that supposed "law" where the majority of Americans ( >90% Christians) are pushing any law to forcibly curtail your freedom as an Athiest ? Are you dumb enough to believe that simply having a few "God Bless America" or "In God we trust" number plates = curtailing ur freedom ??? Man ur fuckin' dumb. If thats the case...than maybe u should stop using the US currency as the $ note has the caption " In God we trust" too...the founding fathers & all the creators of USA were Christians

  • please watch my "why do atheists care about religion video". In God We Trust was added to our currency long after the founding fathers were dead. It also lists some blue laws showing that freedoms have been curtailed.

  • If you seriously believe what you do ( u know..ur wacky Atheist philosophy & Anti-Christian stuff), than why don't you be a REAL man of honor. Be true to what u believe in..now since the US $ has the .."scream horrors" G-O-D caption on it ( rolling eyes)....stop using the US currency....i.e. perhaps u could make ur own Atheist currency or if thats too difficult, u could always move to China or Cuba ! Ehhh ? Meanwhile let the majority God fearing Americans live their lives in peace. God Bless USA

  • The "inquisition" was just one brief blot on the Catholic Church. Christianity has come a long way & infact has evolved into the most liberal, tolerant and Pro-Scientific faith in the Solar system. If u compare Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam and other eastern or European Pagan BS religions...they stand nowhere close to the greatness of Judiasm & Christianity !

    However, Atheism & Oppression seems to be a definate pattern. Why is it that whenever...an Atheist regime gains power - it leads to misery ?

  • mansequotte,

    You have issues with totalitarian dictators... and you should!

    Not all atheists are communists. Not all atheists are despots or totalitarian dictators.

    Also, Stalin was an atheist... but I'm sure that he didn't believe in Santa either. Does that mean that every leader who denies Santa is therefore a totalitarian despot?

    Also, you mentioned the Inquisition as a black mark, well, maybe Islam is going through theirs?

  • Perhaps not all Atheists are Communists, as you state. BUT, it so happens that whenever a good majority of ur "Atheist" buddies get together to form a govt. - based on past experiences & history, we know how badly they screw up with people ! Yes, like Lenin & Stalin...they may at first appear to be some sort of saviours ( sugarcoating their lies about the supposed oppression of organized religion on society) & yet they went on to turn 180 degrees - morphing into the most evil monsters in history

  • I would say that the totalitarian governments banned religion because they didn't want the competition. They wanted the state to be the sole source of power and influence on people.

    I, and most of my personal atheist friends, want SMALLER government and MORE personal freedoms.

    I find it funny that the people I know who want a welfare state and who want a bigger government intruding on our lives are christians.

  • "Also, you mentioned the Inquisition as a black mark, well, maybe Islam is going through theirs? "

    Like a typical clueless Left wing Atheist loon - u seem to have enormous sympathy for Islam - if u are so naive as to believe what u said. Then I guess Islam has always had a black spot since the time of it's inception 1400 yrs back. Islam has proven to be the most moronic, demented, violent, savage, irrational, intolerant,hateful and disgusting cult in history. U can't compare it to Xtianity !

  • mansequotte,

    I don't have respect for Islam. I think it is as insane as christianity and currently far bloodier than contemporary christianity. However, I am also against banning religions.

    FREEDOM OF RELIGION... do you have any concept what that means?

    I think you should also read up on some of the bloodshed caused by christian terrorist groups. Look at the long history of conflict between Protestants & Catholics in Ireland or christian anti-abortion groups that advocate murder & bombings

  • So you think Islam is "as insane" as Christianity ?????? Are you fucking insane ?

    Did they shave your fuckin low IQ brains while they were chopping your hair, monekyboy ?

    FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION... do you have any concept what that means, retard ?

    A Christian has every damn right to profess his culture openly in public. Just like you fucking shit eating low IQ Atheists do !

    Again you quote some miniscule exceptional cases of Christian violence & equate that with the global grotesque Islam.

  • mansequotte,

    Where did I say that I was against christians professing his religion in public?

    Granted, if someone takes a government job, they should not wear religious adornment while on the job (because it gives the appearance that the government is promoting the religion over and above others).

    But otherwise, private citizens should be allowed to wear crosses, crowns of thorns, carry crosses, etc.

  • "Granted, if someone takes a government job, they should not wear religious adornment while on the job (because it gives the appearance that the government is promoting the religion over and above others). "

    What bs is that ? If Mr/ Miss/ Mrs X is elected and is a govt. oficer. If he/she is of a particular religion ( Christian/ Jewish)...and is proud of his/her culture - what gives you the fucking right to ban him/ her from proudly displaying his/her cultural / religious pride. Freedom ?

  • The "right to ban him/her from proudly displaying his/her religious pride"... are you saying that you would have no problem if a public school teacher wore a burka to class or if he/she advocated a religion other than christianity,you'd be okay with them exposing children to it?

    I mean, if a teacher is a Satanist and is wearing upside down crosses, if little Jimmy asks him about it... the teacher would, of course, have to explain all about his religious beliefs to Little Jimmy, right?

  • Ofourse I would take offense at a Moslem wearing a freaking Burka in a western Judeo-Christian based nation. I am pro-freedom too. BUT, since Christians are the majority of this nation..like with anyother society on Earth - The law of commonsense states that the Majority have to be appeased..hence a Christian teacher wearing a cross would be ok in my books. As long as it were the USA, UK, Europe, Australia, South America or anyother majority Christian based country.

    yes, I'm ok with that !

  • "I mean, if a teacher is a Satanist and is wearing upside down cross..... to explain all about his religious beliefs to Little Jimmy, right?"

    Problem here is that "little Jimmy" is attending a school in a nation where the majority of it's loyal tax paying citizens are Christians & HENCE - their culture / religious beliefs HAVE to be respected. I would fire the Satanist immediately , if I were the Principal. Had the USA been majority Moslem /Satanist-I would agree with her wearing that symbol.

  • mansequotte,

    in Dearborn Michigan, we have an extremely high concentration of Muslim Americans. By your logic, schools in that community should therefore be able to wear Burkas and promote their religion over and above christianity.

  • MORON - Those schools in Michigan are NOT in fucking Saudi Arabia, are they ??? Michigan is still within USA ( A Predominantly Christian based nation). Hence, those inferio shiteating Moslems damn well follow OUR rules. It is still Terra Christiana !

    For eg. I've been to the United Arab Emirates, a Moslem Arab nation....just becoz a certain part of the city has a high concentration of Hindus...the Indian Schools are still forbidden from using Hindu customs openly. The same should apply here.

  • I checked the Population Statistics of Dearborn,MH...Christians are STILL the majority....hence it should imply that those undesirable inferior 5th world Moslem wankers should damn well learn to assimilate into our western Judeo-Christian culture. Comprendez ?

    Only the majority should be allowed to display their culture openly ( as long as they remain in their turf)

    For Eg. I would never approve of a Jewish or a Christian displaying his cultural symbols in Pakistan or Arabia ! Majority wins !

  • mansequotte,

    Why should the majority win?

    I think we should allow freedom and let people choose what they want.

    Also, how do you determine what the majority wants?

    Do you think that all surveys are honest? You don't think that there are biased questions?

  • Irrational :

    Most Americans ARE Christians. That is a fact supported from numerous Population surveys over the past few years. Also Most sane people including Atheists would find Islam as an abomination and an undesirable cult in their backyards. 9/11 anyone ? Hence, it would only logically imply that the majority find Islam as something which should be flushed down the toilet a.s.a.p !

    Also, not just America...the whole world - human race by their innate nature are Theists. Atheism=Anomaly.

  • You miss my point. Okay, most of the US is christian... look at the differing wants and opinions of christians in the US. Who and what determines what the "majority wants"?

  • Why should the majority win ?????

    A. Becoz moron, that is the LAW OF COMMONSENSE !

    Here, allow me to explain some "rational" logic to u :

    Eg: If a classroom "X" has 45 boys and 5 girls....would it be fair for that class "X" to be forced with draconian laws emphasizing the use of high heeled boots, make up, feminine frocks and blouses as the school uniform for all - just becoz 5 of that class "X" =Girls ?

    Likewise, USA = secular enough..u could'nt ask for more ! The majority always wins

  • mansequotte,

    Why not let the boys and girls wear what they want? FREEDOM, remember?

  • Apparently it seems that you lack COMMONSENSE. In your warped worldview..you actually believe that boys would want to wear skirst and blouses.....which is almost next to impossible. So freedom or not, no man in his right sense would wanna dress in drags..unless ofcourse he were as insane as you !

    Boy, Atheists sure sound dumb !

  • mansequotte,

    Why drop to the conclusion that men would want to wear skirts? I was thinking about girls wearing jeans.

    You don't have some transexual repression lurking inside do you? Might explain some of that hostility you have.

  • Nope..i think transexuals make great Atheists ( uh.unkowwhattamean ?)

    Also....you are unable to answer my question(s)..hence you make your idiocy all the more obvious by trying to bend the coin. Lets face it : you can't debate logic...typical low IQ, liberal,leftist -Atheist nutjob !

  • lol, present some actual logic and I might try and refute it.

    I'd like to see how you are defining me as "leftist" when I'm more economically conservative than many republicans.

  • I have actually presented a lot of logic and facts to support my argument. But you have failed to fortify your views with warped logic and a demented version of what we call as "commonsense" !

    Is that why, just about every Atheist society ( nation) faired so badly ? Eg: North Korea, China, Cambodia, Cuba etc.

  • You are looking at communist/socialist countries that tried to eliminate religion in order to consolidate power in the state.

    Communism is a failed proposition. I think that any form of government that consolidates all power into itself is inevitably doomed to failure be it through corruption or stagnation.

    As to my logic, I presented studies and articles. You dismissed them, but that doesn't invalidate them.

  • I never dismissed any of your references. Yet you seem to almost dismiss or chimp away from the questions I pose regarding this issue.

    I mean in what way is some Christian guy using a God-Bless-America Number plate of any concern to you...In what way is that "infringing" your rights-moron ?

    Although u conveniently try to steer clear of ur failed Atheist Commie friends...nevertheless-u seem to share some of their traits.

    Stop being a damn thought police and mind ur own fucking business !

  • The way you Atheist nutroots scream and holler about the majority tax paying Christians & their way of life...is PATHETIC ! Deep down even you know it - you cunts are unhappy, lonely, miserable souls.

    I mean you never see Christians and Jews screaming and blaming Hollywood - despite the fact that Hollywood is pretty Anti-Religion and hardcore leftist !

    Thank ur stars that you're living in a Christian based nation and not some other primitive Oppressive- Islamic, Hindu, Eastern society !!!!

  • When do atheists complain about hollywood?!? I support freemarket capitalism... I think if a company wants to make pro-christian movies (or for any religion) they should!

    I'm all for christians being allowed to make Sunday service shows and ones like the 700 Club on television.

  • I dismiss your questions because you have been nothing but an ass since you came here. I'm not going to spend further time researching answers for a pointless cause.

    As to "infringing" on my rights, there are atheistic and polytheistic religions, the moment the government gives one set of religions more credence than another, freedoms are lost.

  • Well If I'm an "ass"...than you are my "hole". Comprendez-Calvo ?

    Maybe I should protest like you - that my "freedom" is being infringed upon by ugly nutroot Atheists like you spoiling the peace on the internet with your crazy views.

    Also, I notice that in some videos...u seem to be wearing a hat ! Why ? Ashamed that your bald-ugly head would be a turn off with the ladies ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • case in point, you ignore my previous comment and instead only deal with insults.

    Yeah, I'm going to waste time on you researching answers. (note, that was sarcasm)

  • so instead of concentrating on insulting me, why aren't you fighting the good fight against Islam?

    I still wonder where your anger issues come from. Sexually repressed homosexualiity? Beaten as a child?  Too much caffeine?

    You seem like one of those lonely weird guys who suddenly snaps and opens fire at MickeyD's. Get help before it's too late.

  • I will post anti-Islamic videos more when they start to infringe upon my freedoms here in this country.

  • btw, how is your freedom being infringed upon by atheists on the internet? You are free to ignore and all of my comments. No one is forcing you to respond here.

    You seem to have a weird concept of freedom.

  • Unlike Christianity, Islam has ALWAYS fucked up in every corner of the world. Atleast Christians had limited wars ( which were more territorial based & socio-economic eg: Irish-English wars - which was translated into religious wars ) Also they hype created by leftist media groups against so called Anti Abortion groups advocating murder is false. There are more Atheist groups who are the classical definition of Terrorists. Including your pals Pol Pot who made famous Human Skull Pyramids & Castro

  • Islam has always & still does fight & aggress against their neighbours EVERYWHERE. Be it the Middle East & Israel, Africa, India, Phillippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia, Europe, Chechnya ( Russia), UK & USA - don't forget 9/11)

    Christians on the other hand have for the most part committed themselves to humanitarian development, progressm Scientific inventions, education, healthcare- Medicine & Charity.

    Now when was the last time u heard of a famous Moslem Hospital like St. Vincents ? Huh

  • There's not a very high Muslim concentration in the United States compared to christians. It is not surprising that I haven't heard of Muslim hospitals in the US.

    You seem to have quite a bit of hate inside yourself. Seriously. Maybe it's all a front and you like baiting people, maybe not.

    If it's the latter, perhaps you should do some self-introspection as to why you are so angry at others.

  • Hello Moron ! I've lived in the Middle East, monkey boy ! I can speak fluent Hebrew and Arabic ( with the Syrian, lebanese, Egyptian and Badhu Watani Arab dialect too)

    Nowhere in the Middle East and the world have Moslems been capable of making their own decent Hospitals. They don't have the intellect !

    If they even have some good hospitals - it is because of Christian groups such as the International Red Cross, Caritas, or other Western companies contructing their Medical centres etc.

  • mansequotte,

    by your logic, if Muslims don't have the intelligence... then why are there Muslim doctors?

  • If you read and observe the IQ of different nations ( cultures). It is a noted fact that Blacks and Moslems have the lowest IQ's . Nevertheless, you find Black and even Moslem doctors BUT these are the EXCEPTIONAL few on the Bell curve of their respective cultures. By no means are they the standard on the curve. Fact is most blacks & Moslems are incompetent idiots fed with gross Affirmative Action by the leftist pro-welfare traitors to offer them on the altar of PC & Multiculturalism !

  • well, we appear to be an agreement that the welfare state and affirmative action programs are wrong.

    I disagree with you about the IQ results though. All IQ tests measure is how effective a person is at taking an IQ test.

  • Hey ignoramous : You don't even need an IQ test to figure out why Moslems and Blacks are plain stupid ( majority of them are)..just look at ANY Black or Moslem run nation - and that sir, should answer your queries !

    Moslems espcially are a complete waste of space and stem cells ! Atleast the Blacks make great sportsmen, entertainers and musicians...but Moslems = Hell - they are good for nothing !

  • "just look at ANY Black or Moslem run nation - and that sir, should answer your queries !"

    and America re-elected Bush. You really need to work on your arguments.

  • Well even dumb bell Bush is certainly way smarter than those blooming Islamic dictators, con men and savage leaders in the Middle East that Moslems blindly follow. Or guys like Bin Laden, whom Moslems worship & adore...proudly sending their kiddie boys to blow themselves with a celestial promise of 72 heavenly virgins and sweet zam zam water promised by Mo-HAM-MAD, Piss Be Upon Him !

    Or the fact that the Cubans were dumb enough to stand by an Atheist scumbag like Castro..who screwed 'em well !

  • How many young Americans went to Iraq and died because Bush and his information on links between Iraq & 911... oh wait, I meant weapons of mass destructions... oh wait...

    People that blindly follow someone, religious, political, or whatever... puts themselves and others at risk.

  • Well those Americans who voted Bush and the Iraq war fiasco is NOT half as bad and stupid as Indians voting their corrupt incompetent and moronic leaders who screw them 1000 times worse...or the idiotc in Columbia who support the Atheist incompetent loudmouthed moron Hugo Chavez ( despite the fucked-up economy & inflation, disease & mal infrastructre) or the nimrods in China - who thought Atheist Mao would've been a saviour - when instead he created one of the worst nightmares of oppression ever

  • Also, even in the Middle East..the smartest people are the minority Christians NOT Moslems. For eg. in Lebenon, the tiny 7 % Maronite Catholic Lebenese (they are mixed with French Crusader & Semitic blood) dominate all the business, academics and professional class. Jay Leno, Pop diva Shakira are good examples of Lebanese Xtian Americans. The No. 1 Cardiologist in the world is an Egyptian Coptic Christian - Dr. Yacoub Magdi ( based in London).

    The low IQ Moslems are simply serfs & degenrates !

  • hunh, yet atheists tend (on average) to even have higher IQs, incomes, and educational levels than christians.

    Does this mean that atheists are better than christians?

    (I'm not saying they are. I'm saying that you need to rethink your arguments).

  • Can you prove or show ANY statistics or study to support your ridiculous fallacy that Atheists have higher IQ's or that they are better economically than say Christians ?

    The greatest Scientists in history were theists :

    Sir Isaac Newton - Christian, Albert Einstein - Jewish, etc.

    Wealthiest people - Carlos Slim Helu - Mexican Roman Catholic, Bill Gates - Presbyterian, Warren Buffet- Jewish.

    The most powerful political leaders in all 1st world nations are Christians ( except Sarkcozy)

  • In a 1990 survey,

    "7 per cent of members of the American National Academy of Sciences believed in God. A survey of fellows of the Royal Society found that only 3.3 per cent believed in God"

  • "Of 43 studies carried out since 1927 on the relationship between religious belief and one's intelligence and/or educational level, all but four found an inverse connection. That is, the higher one's intelligence or education level, the less one is likely to be religious or hold "beliefs" of any kind."

    Bell, Paul. "Would you believe it?" Mensa Magazine, Feb. 2002, pp. 12--13

  • Strange ..becoz in MIT a good number of Scientists and esteemed researchers were ex-Atheists converted into Christianity. Or the fact that,Dr. Nicholas White, a devout Christian heads the Smithsonian Astrophysics lab, Goddard Space Flight centre, NASA..or that Dr. Francis Collins ( Another ex-Athiest converted Christian) heads the US National Genetics and genome project. Or that the world's highest IQ record is held by a Korean-Japanese Medical student & devout Christian-Sho Timothy Yano (2004 )

  • Just keep in mind that a handful of christian scientists does not refute the studies. No one said that there weren't any christians in Mensa.

  • The fact is most MENSA members I knew were either Catholics, Jewish, some Hindus and a few Atheists. I stand by what I observed.

    After all the fact does not alter that the Greatest Scientists, Bankers, Economists, Statesmen, Thinkers, Artists, Inventors were majority Christians NOT Aheists.

    As I said, with the exception of Neils Bohr, Ausfbau, Dr. Amartya Sen, Thomas Alva Edison...I have a hard time finding other famous Atheists super achievers comparable to the Christian achiever list !

  • Thomas Edison? Never was a practicing christian.

    Furthermore, "Edison's words, occasioned by the death of William James, generated an uproar of opposition from Christians of all stripes. He was soundly trounced by Cardinal Gibbons. Columbian Magazine, a Catholic periodical, devoted an entire issue to attacking what it called "Edison's materialism.""

    It was after these attacks that he changed his tune regarding xianity. I would say that those attacks would make many lie about their beliefs.

  • UHHH Dumb bell....hello ! I never ever included Edison in my "Christian list". Infact-read my post again....clean your spects if you need to.

    I clearly said THIS ( & I quote) :

    " As I said, with the exception of Neils Bohr, Ausfbau, Dr. Amartya Sen, Thomas Alva Edison...I have a hard time finding other famous Atheists super achievers "

    THIS IMPLIED THAT EDISON, NEILS BOHR & AUFBAU WERE ATHEISTS !

    DON'T MISQUOTE ME AGAIN !

  • I notice you don't include Deists or agnostics.

  • Yeah, thats becoz I hardly came accross a Diest Scientist..quite a few Agnostics - YES, even quite a few Atheists too. BUT, believe it or NOT. The most esteemed emeritus professors and research Scientists included an overwhelming number of devout Christians (many who did not specifically relate to an organized church eg: Vatican...but believed in the Bible, Jesus and Christian beliefs). This fact is contrary to the myth that most Scientists are Atheists - not true.

  • "DON'T QUOTE ME AGAIN!"

    REally, why don't you want me to quote you again?

  • A handful of Christian Scientists ???? I'm dumbounded man !!

    Have you ever been to Caltech, MIT, Texas Tech, Imperial College of Engineering-London ( UK) or even Europe's #1 Technology/Engineering Institute ( Karlsruhe) ???? Becoz if you REALLY did - you'd realize that a good >65% of those professors, researchers are devout ( I repeat DEVOUT) Catholics, Anglicans, Presbyterians, Jewish and other religions.

    The ONLY Ivy league Uni where I saw an abundance of Atheists was UCLA ( >95% Atheists)

  • Oh and just before you pull me on a supposed spelling error - the word "Dumbounded" is a slang we use in Israel to denote surprise ( disbelief) ! Ta' Shalom.

  • I said "Don't Misquote me again" NOT "Quote"....looks like apart from your poor sense of logic, your vision needs to be checked as well. Tu parle Anglais ? Habulo Ustado Ingles ? Kya Tu Angreezi bh'ath kar sakthae ? DO U SPEAK ENGLISH ?

  • you don't have any real sense of humor, do you?

    I was intentionally misquoting you there.

  • Forget some studies ( which could've been highly biased with errenous vallidity and a type 5 Scientific rigor; P=0.11 )

    One of the smartest ( most intelligent) men America ever produced was none other than J. Pierpoint Morgan ( famous JP Morgan - Economist, Tycoon, pionneer of Wall Street, Banking and Finance in the USA ) ...this guy saved America TWICE from going bankrupt. And guess what.... he was a devout Episcopalan Christian..who often went to his Church to seek inspiration. Hmmmm.

  • They could have been highly biased studies, I agree. However, they were published in a peer reviewed journal.

  • mansequotte,

    Again, you are referring to totalitarian dictators. I thought we covered this. Move on.

  • Well my ignorant friend, those "totalarian dictators" were ALL Atheist, now were'nt they ? Again you seem to duck away from the topic, BECAUSE - it exposes the hollow Atheist theories of governance ! Don't worry boy- I won't scare you more...hahahahah FUCK ATHEISTS and LEFTIST PC MONKEYS ! I JUST FUCKIN HATE LEFTIST LIBERALS, GAY LOBBIES, FEMINISTS, ATHEISTS, ISLAMIC & BLACK GROUPS AND OTHER MULTI-CULTURAL NONSENSE. Whatever happened to the REAL WHITE Americans ? Heck Whites built this nation !

  • mansequotte,

    Um... no.

    example - chinese immigrants and others helped build the transcontinental railway.

    America was built by many. To say that White Americans built the entire country is revisionist history.

  • So now according to your leftist PC dogma...the Chinese built all our Freeways, they devised Washington DC, they designed and built all our cities, economy, science, railways, technology and education ????? Ehhh ! Maybe according to ur demented logic the Founding Fathers were either Black, Chinese or Kung Pung Atheist gooks on the loose ????? HAH...gimme a break, man !

    The Chinese were SIMPLY on a part of the west coast - no big deal..the railway designers were WHITE NOT Gooks !

  • "America was built by many."

    I agree with you on this one - America was BUILT by many white Christians !!!!

    P.S. Also juz becoz there are a few Moslem or Black doctors don't mean that they are geniuses. A simple look at ANY Moslem nation or Black run nation ( all 3rd world, 5th rate sewers btw) will give you adequate evidence as to what happens when u put Moslems / Blacks to themselves to run a nation !

    Show me ONE Moslem, Black/ Atheist run nation that is a shinning example of progress ?

  • The United States was set up as a secular country. Not a christian one. I think you need to try stop tying religions to governments. Theocracies are not a good thing. Anytime you have a government ban beliefs (like communist Russia or Sharia law, or Salem witch trials) it is a bad thing.

  • I do my part by protesting the illegal intrusion of one religion into government. There's no reason I should leave America. Instead, I'm fighting for Freedom here.

    The majority of God fearing Americans can live their lives in peace. They have the right to practice their religion. However, they don't have the right to force their religion onto others.

    No one is stopping them from praying in their homes or putting mangers on their yards.

  • Again I don't get it..just where are those Majority Christian Americans "forcing" their beliefs on you - liar ? Just bcoz a few guys have "God Bless America" on their number plates..u leftist Atheist loons scream Bloody murder ? Must be the irrational politically correct venom inside ur blood !

    Why did'nt u protest the building of Mosques & special laws for Moslems (at the tax payers cost) in UK, Europe/USA. What about the Minnesota case, where Mussie Taxi drivers will NOT accept dogs on fare ?

  • The irony here is that whenever leftist morons / Atheists attack an organized religion in the liberal west-they always often exclusively target Judeo-Christianity as their subject of hate & ridicule. Despite the fact that Christianity is the most liberal, secular & Tolerant faith worldwide.

    Yet, these same leftist low IQ Atheist hacks NEVER demean the REAL Intolerant ( anti-Freedom) cults such as Islam, Hinduism etc.

    Why is this hypocrisy so blatantly feral ? Is it PC dogma to hide the truth ?

  • Heres a simple scenario :

    1.Moslem nation ( eg: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan) :

    Mr Bald Atheist moron talks about how oppressive Islamic Sharia laws are interfering with his "rights" and how Moslems are "forcing their beliefs" on him.

    Consequence : The Sharia laws will find him guilty of treason/ blasphemy & chop of his ugly bald head ! I'm serious..no trial-just swhieesh chop !

    2. Christian Nation ( USA/UK/Europe/Australia) : Mr.Bald Atheist does the same thing in public.

    Result : Free

  • mansequotte,

    For some reason, you think that because I live in a free country, I should not fight to maintain my freedoms here. How does that make sense to you?

  • Most of my videos are about Christians. Why? Because that is who most directly affects me.

    I think Sharia law is abhorrent, but who am I to tell other countries how they should act towards their citizens? If people attempt to introduce it here, then I would fight against it.

    I live in America, which touts itself as free and which guarantees freedom of religion. I fight the good fight here as a concerned citizen.

  • The welfare state has always been the brainchild of leftist Anti-Christian groups for a long time !

    You should be concerned about Moslems/Sharia law bcoz there are quite a few of these undesirable degenrate parasites here & they DO bring their Islamic 5th world shit with them & shove it down our throats right here in the west !

    Unless u are BLIND (hint: Spects), you would've noticed that those egs. I gave DOES affect the western Tax payer, including public tax paid TAXIS used by Mussie cabbies

  • mansequotte,

    Watch my "Why do atheists care about religion" video for examples.

    Also, no one is stopping you from using your private property to advocate your religion.

    As to Muslim taxi drivers not accepting dogs... hey, if it is a private business, they have the right to refuse service to anyone. In a free capitalistic society, someone else could start a taxi company that WOULD accept dogs and then compete against the Muslim taxi company.

  • Also, of all religions in the world-Christianity & Buddhism are the only Organized religions which genuinely make every conscious effort to remain secular & provide max. freedom. Moslems, Hindus & Athiests ( of all people) have always on the other hand forcibly & violently suppressed freedom. USSR, the solidarnos movt. of Communist Poland ( when the Athiests were ruling Poland before being overthrown by the majority devout Catholic citizens) & the Godless cruel dictators i.e. Pol Pot are egs !

  • All atheism is, is a lack of belief in a god or gods. An atheist can be a capitalist, a communist, or something else. So saying that all atheists are against freedom is false.

    As to christians providing max freedom, Inquisition anyone?

  • Also I am not the one in Delusion here idiot ! The DELUSION I see here is a bunch of Godless Pseudo-Scientific hacks masquerading as "intellectuals" underneath their ugly spects, bald heads and phony nasal accents. Huh...like that makes you look smart- duh..ginne a break !

    Since America is NOT an Athiest nation - Athiests simply have NO DAMN BUSINESS whinning about the majority hardworking Tax paying religious God fearing American from displaying his cultural pride and devotion God in public.

  • mansequotte,

    Who said I was an intellectual? I'm an average joe. I see that your insults are breaking down further... attacking physical characteristics now, eh?

    Tou can do better, can't you?

    As to American atheists not having any business whining (check your spelling again) about religious Americans.... You do know that we have freedom of religion in this country and there are atheistic religions, right?

    Or maybe not... I guess I shouldn't expect you to have a wide knowledge base.

  • Talking about widening my "knowledge base" ( don't bother...its a lot much "wider" than what you could ever dream of - dumbell !)

    Why are you hiding behind a computer & chimping out whenever I ask you logical & factual questions about the futility of Athiesm ANYWHERE ? Anyway, I'll rephrase it yet again - hope you have the cajones to stand up & debate !

    Q 1. Show me ONE nation which WAS / IS run by Athiests - that could be a shinning example of progress ?

    P.S. Norway = Christian nation.

  • Q 2. Why is it that whenever you hear, read or look at ANY / EVERY nation that was / is run by an Athiest ( Godless) regime - it always depicts the consequence of being an under developed hellhole filled with crime, poverty, misery, oppression & tyranny ? (eg. N Korea).

    P.S. Norway ( as I proved before is 92.4% Christian - aka NOT Athiest, Japan is under the patronage of loyal Shinto-Buddhist Royals (Thiests). Shintoism/Hinduism unlike Xtianity is a pre-axial religions \c Impersonal dieties.

  • mansequotte,

    You have only managed to prove that you're an ass. Keep trying though, you might make it to douche level :)

  • See..there you go again. This Athiest dumbell coward cannot or simply does not have the balls to give an intelligent reply to my factually valid questions ( which I repeated twice)...so all this bald headed, ugly, dorky low IQ Athiest loser does is rant on some typo errors & chimping out of the debate using lousy terms like "douche level". Really moron, is that the best you could do. Huh....you ain't seen my bad side yet - but I'll let it pass. Ur simply NOT worthed. U still can't answer my Q's.

  • mansequotte,

    You don't respond adequately to my questions and points, so why should I respond to you? Besides, it's much more fun poking fun at your little rants. Any chance you could film yourself having a stroke from frustration? I'm sure a lot of people would love to watch it.

  • First Mr Athiest Dumbell says :

    "Tou can do better, can't you? "

    "Tou" WTF does that mean ?????????? Que ? Tu parle Francais aussi ?

    Then....

    "As to American atheists not having any business whining (check your spelling again)..."

    Oh the irony !!!!!

    Judeo Christian logic : 2+2=4. But, I guess according to Athiest logic 2+2 = 22 !!! LOL.

  • lol, I have one typo against your numerous and repeated offenses against the English language and you try to insult me on it?

    You are a cute little gay troll, aren't you?

  • "Judeo Christian logic : 2+2=4. But, I guess according to Athiest logic 2+2 = 22 !!! LOL."

    Wait a minute, I thought Judeo-Christian logic was 1+1+1=1... with that whole Trinity thing :P

  • Well obviously for a low IQ type such as your Athiest self..U r still unable to understand the concept of abstract thinking - maybe becoz it's NOT ur "thing" ! The trinity can be explained in metaphysics as a single-polyset Matrix index. Just becoz "Matter" can occur in 4 states ( i^2=-1) : Solid,liquid,gaseous,plasma (i.e. 1+1+1+1) that does NOT quantify the Sigma net value to be "4". Instead Matter = 1. Hence ( 1+1+1+1 in this case equals "1"). If u still don't get it, learn "complex numbers"!

  • mansequotte,

    lol, so you're saying that Jesus is the water, God is the steam, and the Holy Ghost is the ice?

  • LOL dumbass....you don't even understand the cardinal aspects of Science, I think talking Abstract Mathematics and Cartessian Equations or Quantum Mechanics is really beyond the scope of ur screwed up infantile cerebrum !

    You're simply too damn ignorant to debate with.....guess I'm wasting my time with an idiot like you. If there is ONE thing I've really learnt here : Atheists are dumb asses without a freakin' clue !!!! Funny how some of them masquerade as Pseudo-intellectuals ! Pathetic !

  • mansequotte,

    lol, here you claim to be going to MIT, have knowledge of mathematics... and you call me ignorant? Oh, you are awesome.

    Oh, and when was this ever a debate? All you've been doing is ranting.

    Oh, and calling me a pseudo-intellectual? When or where did I EVER say I was an intellectual? I'm a working stiff. I guess in your eyes, ANYONE who is able to read and spell coherently is a genius.

  • Ok this might be one of my last comments on this putrid forum.....but hey, still no answer to my valid questions !!!!! I guess you Atheists are cowards after all..who chimp off the debate once they get caught & instead waste their time prancing on some typo errors !

    Once again I dare you to give a logical answer :

    Show me ONE Atheist run nation ( ever in history) that could be called a shinning example of progress, freedom and greatness ? Just ONE !

  • WooHoo!

    I actually got you to start spelling atheist correctly! One small step forward!

    However, you have been nothing but insulting. I already told you I am not responding to your questions. Nope. No civil discourse for you, just pure derision.

  • Concerning Abe Lincoln. He certainly was not your typical nutroot bible thumping evangelist Southern Christian type yelling brimstone and fire - But he certainly admired the Bible a great deal. Infact many Athiest friends that I came accross have admitted that Lincoln was a closet Christian. Very simple, lincoln never admired any Athiest view...his biggest inspiration was the Bible. More of a non-conformist Christian if you ask me ! He wa not a member of any church, but he still prayed to God !

  • There are a lot of great ideas in the bible... heck, there are in most religious holy texts. If there weren't, then people wouldn't look towards them for guidance.

    However, good advice does not make them holy or divine. Enjoying their advice also does not make automatically mean that you wholly subscribe to that religion either.

  • NO ONE is compelling you to subscribe to any religion. I don't care nor give a rat's ass as to what religion or ideology you believe in. BUT, with all due respect, you CAN'T and SHOULD NOT stop a goverment from catering to the MAJORITY. It's really that simple. America is clear majority Christian - hence Christians come first, Athiests much later !Let's say for argument sake, that tomm. a tyrannical govt. forces the majority of English speakers to learn Spanish in USA - would that be fair ? Huh!

  • Also, just because a few Chinese students who come to America love Chinese food ( rats snakes,frogs, snails, worms, etc mixed with soy sauce & vegetables) - using your warped logic about how "catering to the majority is a problem" - SHOULD the MAJORITY NON CHINESE AMERICANS ( whites, Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Other Asiatics, Amerinds etc) be COMPELLED to eat Chinese food ????? Would that be fair ??? Is that what you Athiest nutroots want, eventually ??? Can't you juz drop the PC crap and get it?

  • mansequotte,

    No, we should not be COMPELLED to eat chinese food. Are you insane? Are you on medications?

    I am in favor of the free market and have said so before. I am a strong advocate of personal freedoms and liberty.

    By cowtowing to the majority, you put those freedoms and liberties at significant risk.

  • Well moron, incase you have'nt figured my point yet. Allow me to explain.

    You said "cowtowing to the majority, you put those freedoms and liberties at significant risk."

    So using the insane dictamina of your deluded logic ( boy they sure give u Athiest scum mind numbing drugs, don't they ?):

    The Chinese could also argue that the US govt is "cowtowing" the Non Chinese American majority by not compelling them to eat Chinese food ! Juz like you whinning Athiest scum forcing ur space on us.