The Ordo Templi Orientis never existed at all !

[DracOverLordHaton]

The OTO was German, Crowley kind of borrowed it would be one way of putting it. It's a lodge connected to the Eastern Mysticism that also blatantly was what the Nazis were actually all about,

american-buddha(dot)com/trimon­di.hitlerbuddhakrishnaunholy.h­tm

[AI2flesh]

you are funnier than the real one...

[spilledinsanity]

Anyone can take a bunch of symbols and misinterpret them based off their puritan superstition of symbols and magick alike. I don't see why people assume the OTO is evil though, or that it has any relevance to the Illuminatti. Seeing as it doesn't even exist..

[LowKeyAus]

@spilledinsanity

"Seeing as it doesn't even exist.." LOL.

Aleister Crowley is a suspicious character as far as the occult is concerned. Nazi SS were involved in the occult too...

Do you think Jay Z or Eminem are in the OTO? Or how many actors and actresses would you suspect to be in the OTO?

[spilledinsanity]

@LowKeyAus

I am pretty certain that the illuminatti does not exist. I know the world is prettymuch run by an elite few but those people are politicians and rich corporate owners. i guess you could title that "the Illuminati." If the nazis really were into occultism that doesn't reflect thelema itself. Occultism is an umbrella term for a certain kind of study. Thelemites do use occultism but so do others not tied with thelema.

Jay Z and Eminem are definitely not in the OTO. Lol!

[miljaardegod]

inafter no knowledge about lodges

[AI2flesh]

crowley is no match for me.

[jameslwilber]

If you can't see how awesome, profound, and hilarious this is, you should just move along.

[Kasevam]

What is this I don't even

[ProfessorWarhol]

neither does a penis spreading its seed into a vagina (which is what this logo actually represents)

[TheSleepyFairy]

@ProfessorWarhol

how do you know :o

[ProfessorWarhol]

@TheSleepyFairy investigate it a little further, if you feel like it, and it will be clear as a sunny Florida day. It is the O.T.O's main emblem. Also existence is commonly referred to as an "illusion" of sorts, that we never "observe" our lives (our actions, our deeds),as we live them out,

[TheSleepyFairy]

@ProfessorWarhol

i see..i have invastigated about O.T.O but people in u tube sounded bias..:/ due to my research, O.T.O is connected to freemason, US government, HAARP, mind control but i never get to find the list of symbols and its meanings.. would you mind helping me out with symbols becaurse im interested to know more?

[LowKeyAus]

@TheSleepyFairy The symbols as far as I know include the devil hand sign (rock on), the 666 hand sign (okay hand sign), the all seeing eye (seen at the top of the OTO logo), skulls, and both arms in the air.

Other things include checkerboard floors, the square and compass and blind folding as well as other masonic-like rituals. There could be others.

Importantly, they have an agenda, which is mostly sex and violence, but can include philosophies such as KRS1's. Hard to find anything concrete.

[GushaKajiri]

@LowKeyAus The hand symbol of "Rock on" is actually the symbol of The Horned God. The checker floors are used to confuse "The spirit" on direction when the spirit is under a form of mind control which causes confusion, at this point the compass is needed and that is in many ways the orginazation... one can come close to the secrets but one may not know the whole piece of the puzzle.

[TheSleepyFairy]

@LowKeyAus very interesting :o

i heared about sex but i didnt know about violence

but i did heared that mozard died misteriously by reviewing part of free mason after 5 day and one of the movie maker died becaurse of that too..

[LowKeyAus]

@TheSleepyFairy And drugs, and robots... they also pursue a child-like mindstate (with the lil's etc), and unconditional positivity. And animals such as the excessive amount of dogs... so I am led to believe.

Oh, and global warming is something they are popularising. My guess is that we will have a world governing body for global warming before 21 Dec 2012. If that happens, then get scared :O

[TheSleepyFairy]

@LowKeyAus

could you add me as a friend and show me some proof if you dont mind sparing ur busy time for me?:x

im very interested with your opinions

[LowKeyAus]

@TheSleepyFairy

/watch?v=wguEVKDoSGM

I don't really have proof - just connecting dots where I can. There is some excellent information out there. Check out the Arrivals.

[spilledinsanity]

@TheSleepyFairy

don't base your opinions off rumors. There's good reason people hate Masons, and it's because of the Christians. nothing more.

[spilledinsanity]

@LowKeyAus

As a member of the OTO i can tell you how wrong you are..

[LowKeyAus]

@spilledinsanity

Please do. I'm interested to learn. What about the law of Thelma? Or Alastair Crowley?

[spilledinsanity]

@LowKeyAus

The law of thelema goes off the belief that everyone has a second nature, that knows exactly what it's own purpose is for yourself as whole. "Do what though wilt" does not just mean do what you want. It is the hardest of disciplines. It is a mix between doing things you want now and things you will want more in the long run. For instance, you may want right now to be really lazy but you want even more to become a better runner. so you sacrifice one for the other.

[spilledinsanity]

@LowKeyAus

So when it says "Do what though Wilt shall be the whole of the Law" it implies that there should be no law that restricts man because man can naturally figure out what he needs to do with himself. Man needs to unfold his divine nature and let others do the same unbothered. Aleister Crowley was a man who created these philosophies from years of research into the hearts of other religions and the study of the patterns in the universe around him. Then wrote books about it.

[LowKeyAus]

@spilledinsanity

Thanks! That was really nice to hear it explained - there is definately something to it. But there was also something to Neitszche, and that led to the holocaust. Such bold philosophies, in the wrong hands, can be dangerous. Especially if this philosophy is behind Hollywood and the music industry without audiences understanding that. Or so I think.

Are there OTO initiation ceremonies and secret handshakes etc?

[spilledinsanity]

@LowKeyAus

I don't really see how those philosophies could "go into the wrong hands"

Sure people may use them to justify things but thats only if other people fall for it!

How is it behind hollywood and the music industry? I wish O.T.O members had that much influence. LOL. There are initiations that anyone willing can attend, and no there are no secret handshakes.

[GushaKajiri]

@ProfessorWarhol Lets just all start viewing all the illusions across the board and pick from the illusions we wish to keep... this is the only thing close to life that some have.

[Anastasis300]

I think it's a nice art piece. And 'technically speaking' and in the denotative, transcendant-idealic, and platonic senses, it is all quite true. In a very real sense, O.T.O. does NOT exist and never has existed. Has to do with secret code word, transcendent meaning and all that other hooyah of the magicians, wizards, and retards. I, however, am a mugle. A magic muggle.

[Darkslayer79]

fail.

[LosVatrahos]

This video challenges and doubts the reliability, history, and lineage of the OTO.

[mads18]

I believe this is actually what these brotherhoods or whatever teach, is that you don't exist. I remember this was also used in the "Adventures of Mark Twain" movie, where Satan says "nothing exists in empty space and you; and you are but a thought". This is also what IE the Qaballah teaches. On the top of it, it says everything is an illusion. The problem is not that idea, which appear to be very close to truth, but the consequence of entities picking up on it, which seems chaotic and evil.

[Achad86]

Jesus Christ never existed....fools....

[tardwhisperer]

@Achad86--Okay. Thanks for clearing that up, jackass. So, what was Genghis Khan's favorite food? I mean, you were there right?

[Rorschached]

Hmm, seeing as Satan is talked about more in Christianity than any other religion I know of (seeing as many Satanists are LeVeyan and are atheists anyway, it could be said that Christians talk about Satan more than Satanists!)

[tardwhisperer]

@Rorschached--yes, you see the beast is the collective of human flesh on this globe. The whore that rides the beast is called BABYLON which is nothing more than man's carnal lusts. By all means, enjoy the party! After all, that's why we're here. To destroy this planet and all living things on it because of our own need to be backward. You know what satan is? LACK OF FAITH. Faith is useless to satanists.

[salvadory]

@tardwhisperer i would argue satanists put faith in themselves! the rise of secular humanity is a direct response of the failure of faith based religions- where the conquering over "evil" is done by humans not god- hitler was defeated by man not god- it was also caused by man no doubt- i think the satanists may be onto something - we make our destiny not god! you can pray all you want but two hands working are always better than two hands in prayer

[tardwhisperer]

@salvadory--I do see your point. It is quite true that far too many people have used "GOD" as a justification for their own evil actions and as a means to control others. The world would certainly be a far better place if only every single occupant would take responsibility for their own doing.

[skanemermaid]

Even the heretics have their heresies!

Wonderful.

Hail Discordia.

[MrErisian]

@skanemermaid Hail Eris - I'm the only true Discordian, all the rest are liars.

[888Lilith]

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah­!!!

[AnandaRai]

Like most Satan lovers-they dont want you to know they exisist

[nightmind919]

tss....

[sm6wet]

What the author probably means is not that OTO never existed at all, but that YOU, never existed at all.

[nibus9]

Guess who runs the NASA ??

[daelohmen]

@nibus9 i do

[nibus9]

@daelohmen what do you mean ? your tax ?

[DracOverLordHaton]

@nibus9 - Jack Parsons and Ron Hubbard. And a chimp heads it up, like in The Simpson's.

[holmsatlarge]

cute.

[PubicWi6]

Said Lucifer.

[JAMIE6SUPERSTAR]

i hope you die

[VenusSatanas]

LOL

[siroma80]

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­oooooooooooRING!!!

[nargargole]

@siroma80 lol - I would second that.

[discursivity]

Rub out the word of the Law is Thelema. That is all Hassan Sabbah.

[EFKA526]

lol. Das ist dann aber eher wie die Bielefeld-Verschwörung. 93s Frank