It's like 2 community college students decided to make a movie after a couple weeks of googling and youtubing information vs. 2 Guys who actually know what they're talking about.
Every scientific fact they bring they call a lie, and they ask WHERE'S YOUR SCIENCE? Well everytime we bring up a fact you call it a lie, so we get nowhere. Also majority of their claims rely on witness testimony rather than physical evidence.
Jason get his panties in a wad so hard in these videos, I can't stop loling
@ArtisticSpaz the 2 guys who as quoted by you "actually know" what was going on, gave a very weak argument compared to the two "community college students".
People get fooled by suits and ties. Besides, what scientific fact did they bring up? they made up a coupla claims and called them facts. Google them. Not facts. But I guess the suits & ties have had their effects.
& there are 100s of holes and evidences, not only relying on testimonies. If they list it all, it'd require over 3 days.
I love how they believe that in one of our biggest cities on a beautiful busy work day there are bombs planted all over in the biggest and busiest buildings and nobody notices it...
I love how everybody who disagrees with the research these kids did fail to recognize that Popular Mechanics DID NOT ANSWER the last questions, rather they attacked conspiracy theories n crap. Why didn't they answer the question and decided to attack these kids?? That's my question. If they had so much compelling information, shouldn't they rather be telling us WHY these things are false rather than giving an explanation on why conspiracy theories are fake?
@BSMixi Ask rather why Popular mechanics failed to answer the last questions and instead decided to attack conspiracy theories. If "PM" had so much compelling information, shouldn't they rather be telling us WHY these things are false rather than giving an explanation on why conspiracy theories are fake?
what I find hilarious, is everytime someone questions the loose change guys... these popular mechanics guys reference two things each time...1.) we received photographs (THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS EVER SEEN) and 2.) a study conducted by a GOVERNMENT AGENCY. Convenient, eh?
@DODPHOTOGRAPHY theyre also apparently experts on conspiracy theories and how they work, and they use that expertise to debunk every point the loose change guys make. clearly an attempt not to refute their specific arguments but instead to discredit them as "crazy" conspiracy theorists. im not saying i believe all or any of it, but it certainly raises questions that i have not found the answers to. also, people who first thought the world was round were "crazy" to everyone else on earth.
@RyLoTC I am in the same boat, I don't know what to think... but I certainly don't believe the grain the government is feeding the population. The tactic of calling someone crazy has been repeated over and over and over and over throughout history. I mean. the percentage alone of survivors and victims families who believe there is more to the story is disturbing... people aren't completely asleep at the wheel on this one.
@DODPHOTOGRAPHY They're denying a plane crashed into the world trade center conclusive evidence has been found to determine it has. I know the government lies and thats a simple reality of government and politics, but this is one circumstance they are right about. these guys are crazy.
@ThePolishGuitarist They are not denying a plane crashed into the world trade centers retard. You obviously never saw the film. They are saying that the private renevation work that was done to the world trade centers and to building 7 had to be bombs placed in the buildings, and there is bomb debris recovered at the crash. Go look up super nano thermite. Or watch the damn video FFS.
@RyLoTC Finally someone who agrees with me! If "PM" had so much compelling information, shouldn't they rather be telling us WHY these things are false rather than giving an explanation on why conspiracy theories are fake?
@ThePolishGuitarist Watch the video retard. Maybe if you ACTUALLY watched loose change, you will see that they DID talk to a number of experts regarding the collapse of the towers.
@DODPHOTOGRAPHY yeah it is pretty convenient that a study has been done and peer reviewed . .. all of us can go and look for the truth ourselves. very very convienent id say. too bad those 2 kids didnt get the memo about how convienent peer reviewed research is. oh and fyi, i've seen some of the pics they're talking about so maybe u should do a fucking google search or something
@mycatownsurdog LOL! what science? Are you joking? Explaining how conspiracy theories work isn't science!!! That's called walking around the question! If "PM" had so much compelling information, shouldn't they rather be telling us WHY these things are false rather than giving an explanation on why conspiracy theories are fake? HAHAHA!
the guy in the black shirt is far too angry and childish... if you debate like this, it doesn't even matter if you have a point, no one will listen to what you have to say.
Im glad popular mechanics kept it professional while that guys from loose change acted like kids in an argument. Always scoffing and yelling out lier...it got so annoying.
There are people who lost there family members on that day and the first thing these 2 assholes do is tell them that America is an evil imperialist country whose government killed your husband or father so they can go to the middle east, kill civilians, and take there oil.
I think we were watching a different debate then because the pop mechanics guys keep putting any questions they cannot answer under "funny thing about all these conspiracy theories" umbrella.
Can I just add, has anybody noticed massive differences between the Twin Towers planes crashes and the Pentagon.All the arguements that the government uses in favour of the offical report at the Pentagon completely contradict those reports at the Twin Towers. They were all plane crashes so why so different?
@thomasmargollesable1 Hahahahaha, youre an idiot if you believe that, go do an iq test. 9/11 was a 100% inside job, AQ is a CIA mercinary group, Atta a CIA asset, 10 of the 19 "hijackers" still alive, none of them linked to AQ, rest of them linked to CIA.
@Xendrius Stupid Conspiracy Theory. Trying to make up more stories. You honestly think a missile hit The Pentigon, you honestly think that miliatry jets hit The Twin Towers? You are so stupid.
@CrusaderJustice Haha, idiotboy, you believe a 757 hit the pentagon, with NO EVIDENCE, no engine marks, no wingmarks, no tailmarks, not even 1 big piece retrieved, no black boxes, you are saying an aluminium nose plane can go through 3 rings of the steel reinforced concrete pentagon walls and punch out a small hole but at the end not leave any solid parts that might have done the damage? You are crazy and stupid just as any other idiot who believes it.
@Xendrius People saw that planes hit. Ive seen pictures of the wreckage, and passengers were found and identified. That is enough to confirm that it was hot by a plane. Also you are not going to find tail marks and wing marks on a concrete building. Also you are a moron if you think military drones hit The WTC. You Conspiracy Theorits are nothing but stubborn fools.
@CrusaderJustice There is no wreckage, and those who were close and inspected the scene, before any scripts were handed out, said, there is nothing there that indicates a plane hit, I don't care if they had an airliner fly by the pentagon, it was not used to hit it, nor did anyone see the plane hit it. That's why they had to quikcly take all the camera footage, because cameras can't be bribed or given money to lie. Military drones hit the WTC and I have the footage and the witnesses.
@Xendrius Really. Then why do so many say they saw a plane hit it. And Ive seen pictures of the wreckage. Also tell me what happend to the passengers aboard flight 77 if it did not hit The Pentigon. What about the famlies of the those who were aboard it. That is a weak arguement. Also I noticed you are bringing up the oldest excuse in the book. Money. Also your videos and footage do not proove that miliatry jets hit the towers. Thousonds of people saw that plane hit. Everyone has somthin to say.
@Xendrius And yes some people say they saw a military jet. However they are just saying what they thought they saw. Countless people saw that plane hit and they were all from diffirent direactions. Also the footage you show is pretty much outdated which was debunked long ago. Also tell me if military drones hit the towers what happend to the people aboard flight 11 and 175.
All your ridiculous theoires about military jets and cruise missiles dont add up.
@CrusaderJustice Not some, but EVERYONE who saw it close enough. Mark Birnbach from fox was asked in 2004 by the producers of in plane sight, if he was sure that hte plane had no windows and was fully grey, and he said yes it was fully grey, saw no blue parts or marks of logos of a UA plane. The footage was not debunked or is it outdated.
All your theories don't add up with video footage and witness testinomy from the EARLY non scripted reactons.
@Xendrius "No Windows" Yes that is outdated and debunked. Popular Mechanics debunked that to. Also yes Ive seen those close up. Airliner windows are tiny and those images become blurry and pixeld when zoomed in. There is no way you are goona find windows on them. Also that populaer image is not the only image. And in one of them I can see blue marks on the tail. Nice try.
@CrusaderJustice Yes they painted the tail, that's clear from all the footage, anything blue would be very easy to spot, just as they planned to use in operation northwoods, in fake hijackings, to paint the tail. The belly is still grey, and has a split through its middle, which no UA plane has, nice try.
@Xendrius That makes no sense you are twustung things. Also I notice you keep ignoring the evidence I give you and try to class it as fake. You say the hi jacking was fake. Well if the hi jackings were fake why did they go of course and crash, who flew them into the towers if it wasnt the 19 Jihad fanatics? non of your theores add up.
@CrusaderJustice There is no link whatever between the people on the hijack list and any devout muslim groups let alone AQ, these CIA assets were random arab mercinaries, they were paid money to take flight lessons but never learned how to fly, none of them were either preparing to die, as Atta and his buddy returned a rented car days before the attack even though they didn't have to return it. And Atta was a cocaine addict, ate pork, gambled, cursed god.
@Xendrius Nothing you said there adds up and you are just twisting things. You must be mistaking the for someone else. I havent seen a shred of evidence that they were anything like you said. I wouldnt be suprised if you were making these up to try and make your theoires more convincing. 9/11 Truthers are not as truthful as they claim to be. More weak arguments and ridicuouls poetic lies.
I love how the loose change's argument to EVERYTHING is "Another lie.." can't those white trash morons get it through their heads that they're wrong and nothing they do will change that fact?
Oh god.... some people are actually sensible when they argue about this stuff, but these guys are (like) children when they debate... I am a believer in these theories, but I have no respect for people sounding dumber than the debunkers...
I will stay with Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth and Alex Jones from now on...
I like how he referenced to the creationist arguments because it actually is just like that. Truthers find little flaws in between huge factual evidence and dig at those little things that we dont exactly know everything about and say "Well we dont know what happened here so the whole thing must be fake. There has to be something else." For Truthers, that is government planned bombing or whatever other garbage they can think of at the time.
Plus can i ask why the government would even do this?
The popular mechanics blokes aren't arguing the factual evidence put forward by the loose change blokes, all they are doing is debunking conspiracy theorists? If it happened, speak the truth we would like to know what you know.
@14masonhill there really is no factual evidence put forward by Change...what pop. mech. was doing was using evidence they gathered in the way of photos, statistics, interviews, etc to disprove what the 2 young fidgety guys were screaming about. I thought it was a good series of videos.
@yikesoyikes1 yeah but the thing is mate, its all well and good to sit there and say we have photos, these are the statistics and we have interviewed these people, but if you cannot prove this by means of capturing it on camera then im sorry but you do not have the right to state that you do and run the basis of your argument purely on belief. Because quite frankly i believe that the whole 9/11 issue needs factual and visual proof, the change boys have given me the truth, thats all i want.
@yikesoyikes1 whether it be just to kick up sparks about the us government i dont care, if the government came out tomorrow and for instance showed all the videos of the plane hitting the pentagon i would be content in saying that it actually happened because i can see it before my very eyes. maybe its just the person i am and that i dont trust peoples word, but i just need some clarification on the matter through visual analysis
@123tindris Anyone who watches Fahrenheit 9/11 wIll understand how much of joke Fahrenheit 9/11 is. I am broadly left wing and didn't agree with invading Iraq and even I was embaressed by its shoddyness. You could always like y'know read some books instead.
@FSU730 Sure ok as immediate guess I'd say that the your gas station story is just another bit of conspirasist BS which has been either made up or twisted from a real report. What us your source?
Since you guys just keep bashing these guys, who can explain why all security videos from gas stations around the pentagon were taken within 10 minutes of the missile hitting it by the FBI?
@dudequerky They do know everything about this - they're the experts and have people who are experts behind them. Even if they're wrong (they're not), giggling like schoolgirls is really fucking immature.
Fun fact: When Avery was making this video, it was a work of fiction. He had to wade through shot after shot of damning evidence in order to find clips that implied it was an inside job. Then Bermas came and told him to release it as truth. So he did. Think about it.
If anyone watches Fahrenheit 9/11 you'll understand how much a joke 9/11 was and this whole war on terrorism and war in general. Fear is a great weapon, go look at the Patriot Act and what it entails and tell me that is no in breach of the constitution or what the USA stands for. Also go watch this: /watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XKfuS6gfxPY
Popular mechanics won this debate hands down. Hell, there were points were the Loose Change guys were losing their cool.
Also in response to the 'Where's the wreckage' points, When plane usually crashes the pilot slows down the plane and tries to level of to avoid damaging the plane and thus decreasing casualties. These planes were ramming to the buildings and the ground at full speed.
@AprimalDwarf well that guy failed with that quote lol but those popular mechanics guys kept avoiding questions saying conspiracy theorists dont believe this or that when they gave alot of good evidence
@markhermanson3 the funny thing is, every thing they said is backed up with physical evidence and those 2 old halfwits do not ever answer the questions at hand and if they do, they do it poorly. the loose change guys are dealing with idiots. as quoted by 'retro99ify' 'wake the suck up schmuck'.
Listen loose change idiots, this is wrong. The person that you are rudely talking to is the editor of popular mechanics, he is much more wise, expireienced and have better resources. Think about it.
I guess to some people there's more to life than fucking. Like getting involved in business and politics. Some people like to fight for power and greatness and push others down, just making sure they get bread, circuses and sex.
"Him and Avery Both, not to mention the COMPLETE disrespect of the other two."
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Notice that they constantly cut the other two off... That's a tactic of dirty debate to make sure they don't get a chance to say something that they (Avery and Bermas) can't counter... The two of those guys who made Loose Change are just a duo of fuckups. They get more attention than they deserve.
Their is no other explanation for building 7 falling as it did other than a controlled demolition. Don't believe these old stiffs, I have a feeling they were paid by the government in order to raise doubt against the clear common sense approach of L.C. This is not an isolated incident, the U.S. has been using "False Flag" operations as a means of entering into war for many many years.
@TheMasterofganja . . . Except for the fact that it has no hallmarks of a controlled demolition (pin-prick flashes and bangs), and photographs clearly show the building burning for a good thirty minutes before the collapse.
@wolfenriroar ok so if your a government organisation that is trying to make everyone believe that the building fell on its own accord, you wouldn't try and demolish the building in a less audible and visual way? Seriously you think that they would stand there with the little lever and the black TNT box and watch as the whole world sees the twin towers go snap, crackle pop? come on mate
Thank you for the upload, it's refreshing to see programs like this where two different view points come together and (with a couple exceptions) try to reason things out.
Asinine, just asinine, they did nothing to disprove Loose Change that whole time, all they did was deny the evidence and ramble on about how conspiracies are stupid and what not, they never presented anything the whole of the argument to show flaws in Loose Change, all they did was make claims.
If anyone thought they did anything to disprove Loose Change, YOU, ARE, A, FOOL!!!
@jrdavis1 Your opinion, is just that, Loose Change deals in facts, all they did was pander about nothing, wake up!
Even if you take everything else away from the debate and just concentrate on the parties involved, it's obvious who are the calm and collected scholars and who are the annoying know it all hippies. Body language and speech alone with tell you who is lying and who telling the truth 99% of the time.
those losers in suits.... they need to take some speaking lessons as they mixed and matched their words every sentence and I had a hard time understanding their points
we all know 9/11 was a controlled measure to kill innocent Iranian citizens while claiming Osama Bin Laden was responsible
americans.... they cant even keep their own country intact
Yeah, every time the people from Popular mechanics come up with logic and evidence Loose change are like BULLSHIT. Can they back up their claims of popular mechanics lying? No, they can't. They just say BULLSHIT. Popular mechanics debunk what has been said by Loose change and Loose change are like BULLSHIT.
It's funny how these Popular Mechanics guys try to qualify every other word with another word or series or words/phrases to try making their statements seem legit. 'That's why things happen like that, and that's why that was in the report.' ....... "Government knows best, which is why we're here to face these two kids who disagreed with the story we ran, which by the way was front page news..."
Anyone with a decent history in behavioral science knows Popular Mechanics is full of sh!t
@mt1221100 What would you believe? Witnesses who have no idea what they're talking about . Or people who have done research and interviewed people who know what they're talking about.
They keep saying,ask questions,unless it pertains to what they are saying,I live in NY and if I see either of these frat boy jerk offs,someboby is getting punched.
@DeceLGND ...government operatives & mouthpieces being obnoxious plus every day morons who still have faith in government doing their best to prevent rational discourse and the truth from coming out.
@flaggerify no. they are believers in the obvious truth and are just frustrated with most americans who are oblivious to the fact that there is NO question whatsoever that there was some government involvement on 9/11. There had to be. Bob graham was eating breakfast with general Mahmud Ahmed on the MORNING of 9/11, Mahmud Ahmed is the guy that had Ahmad Sheikh wire $100,000 to Mohamed Atta, the lead hijacker, days before 9/11. No doubt in my mind there was some sort of government involvement
nice diversionary tactic - when the subject of building seven was raised, the truthers strongest hand - the guy from popular mechanics went on the attack with a philosophical denunciation of conspiracy theories - instead of sticking to the evidence. Fair play to Amy Goodman - I hope the Truthers leave her alone now.
one small point i cant remember if its revlivent to this video but its relivent to one of the parts the loose change guys say that the HUGE fire and explosion caused by the plane cant cause the building to fall but a small explosive 28 floors down or something can??? iii smeell bullshitt
the thing that annoys me about the truthers is that everything is a conspiracy. like when wikileaks didnt have anything revealing the government involvment then suddenly wikileaks was a conspriacy. there is no arguing with them, their minds are made up.
One of the biggest thing that enraged me about this is that every time the Popular Mechanics guys made a valid point, the loose change assholes snort and laugh, and when it's their turn to speak they spout a load of completely hollow and speculative bullshit.
@LilGreenGiant96 that's what i keep thinking they make a good valid point like you say with evidence to back it up then the loose change guy just laugh and come up with some complete crap sorry for basically just repeating what you said but im too pissed off right now
Loose Change and these fucking morons who produced it, is some of the biggest bunch of utter nonsense i have ever watched. Blatant factually incorrect material shoved to the forefront as though it were the Gospel truth. Credible real witnesses tossed under the bus.
Bermas and Avery are two idiots with a lap top. That much i'll give them.
I don't have all this time to keep telling you ignorant fools what to believe
How about being a fucking decent patriot if you really love your country and don't care about preconceived idea's instilled through gov propaganda and media falsities and scare tactics - if you really want to learn about what happened on that day
newsmine(dot)org
Do it or shut up about all your damn self appointed OPINIONS
The fact that those kids are still alive in America spewing their uneducated nonsense is evidence to the contrary of the fiction they preach. If any organization or organizations did in fact conspire 9/11 and get away with it, why would they leave these two to keep "spreading the truth"? It wouldn't be hard at all to make them disappear compared to the effort it took for to make everything else happen.
@rockon6191 You are so thick.. there are so many people that speak out against the governments conspiracy theory YES it is a theory and a broken one at that.. They couldn't possibly hope to kill all the people speaking out you are loony - and as for the "effort" it took for them to make this happen obviously was flawed because people are seeing through this bullshit and the people who try to tell us BULLSHIT.
@rockon6191 You do talk/type like somebody who has read none of the positions of people on the opposite side of the argument of yourself. If you do not care why type any questions about why ask questions like "leaving these 2 kids alive" obviously you did care to make that comment but refute nothing. Have a good day because you obviously do not care about what happened on that day you P.O.S.
@XRedxEyedxWandererX Well aren't you a treat... Someone makes a comment you disagree with and you go on a string of angry personal attacks and assumptions. You're not exactly presenting yourself as a person to be learned from, mister.
@XRedxEyedxWandererX See that's the thing: I like having real discussions. What I don't like are people who are instantly angry and rude to those who disagree with them. See your first comment, which opens with "You're so thick," See your next comment, of "idiot nonsense." Then, "P.O.S." and finally, I'm pathetic and should shut the fuck up. When have you demonstrated an openness to rational discussion? You can't yell at me to be rational while being an irrational jerk from the start.
@rockon6191 Well seeing as how you were continuing to babble on and on about some smart ass comment. Yes this is youtube and you should not expect any courtesy. Now if you do actually have something else to say other than what I have rudely said to you why don't you talk about some facts? Oh? You are just a waste of time. You are getting nothing done.
@XRedxEyedxWandererX Ok, so we've established the fact that you've been acting like a jackass, that's good. Now I'm gonna throw something out there: when speaking about elaborate and largely dismissed conspiracy theories, the burden of proof lies with the asserter of the theory. It certainly wouldn't make sense to assume every conspiracy theory is true outright. So if you have really compelling evidence, I'm happy to listen. But I don't think it's my job to disprove anything just yet.
@rockon6191 but it is like you don't want to talk about anything of substance and just want to mess around on youtube that is why I am giving you no more respect than you are giving me so please do yourself a favor and continue to type these comments because otherwise you will be proven wrong
and you are doing a good job of discrediting yourself
The 9/11 conspiracy movement is mostly a bunch of pot heads, and then some, that want to think they know something that the 'productive lemmings' don't know and are above everybody else. Charlie Sheen was a very attractive actor in the 80's and it looks really cool when you are acting like a dumbass 20 years later, and you have millions of dollars at the end of the day when NONE OF YOU OTHERS WILL.
It has been PROVEN BY NIST themselves that WTC7 WAS BLOWN UP. They tried to hide it in their preliminary report but were forced by David Chandler to in the final one admit to a 2,25 SECOND PERIOD OF FREE FALL. They then tried to divert attention from that by focusing on an average. Free fall, even for just a period, is possible ONLY through controlled demolition. Spread the links.
The titanic was also crash proof. anything created by humans has flaws. just as people do, these two immature boys do also. but hey, you can go watch loose change FOR FREE I TELL YOU! (well lets just sell out product while being owned on TV)
These Loose Change guys and any of they conspiracy theorists have absolutely no regard for the victims and the families of the victims of this tragedy. Typical idiots. They remind me of when I was back in high school when I would try to debate with all of the redneck boys who would giggle like schoolgirls when they thought they more than anyone. =/
@OrangeKappa Sorry but you need to go fuck yourself because there are many many people who care about the First Responders and the people lost on that day - why don't you stop making stupid comments and bring something of substance to this comment section instead of a stupid rant advertising your ignorance as it was the hot product to buy. Btw the bush administration could give a rats ass about the FrstResponders they made the EPA lie about the safety of the air do some fkn research asshole
Bravo boys! (as you are being called) Young minds are so much more intelligent than “old schooled” ones. Older generations might have more experience, but try to keep them up to speed on today’s technology and they’re lost (my opinion). Now I don’t know how old these guys are, they said they’re editors, “not experts in metallurgy or structural engineering ”. They retrieved their info and E T I D E D it. (Notice play on the word EDITED?)
When Popular Mechanics guys made a comment comparing the Holocaust situation to what these guys are doing was very juvenile behavior on their part. I am actually embarrassed for them for even going there.
I have no ties to 9/11, didn’t know anyone personally, don’t live there, etc. But I do have young children who will inherit this country on this beautiful earth and it is my job as a parent to protect them. Not only from falling in the bathtub, but from evil, deception, and lies.
9/11 truthers are just as ignorant as holocaust deniers. They both ignore the consensus of nearly every expert on the subject to belittle little points.
@MrJahka Apples and Oranges. (BTW, I am not a Holocaust denier, hoping you might see the BIG difference between the two events.) So tell me what important facts am I ignoring that would make me think otherwise, NIST? Huh! I’m not seeing much of that, just a lot of name calling and foul language on YT. I’m sorry that you don’t see what others and I do, but that’s your problem (or job) that you have to deal with. But did you know that there are other EXPERTS? Yea, but with a different story :)
@dvntcentre It was a fair comparison. They were NOT accusing the "Loose Change" boys of perpetrating something similar to the Holocaust. They were comparing the strategies of Holocaust deniers to the strategies of 9/11 truthers. In other words, they were pointing out similarities in the ways that conspiracy theories form and are supported by their adherents. Perfect comparison, in my opinion.
@jrdavis1 The key phrase is “one little gap” then compares that with Holocaust deniers. There is not “one little gap”, there are several gaps; from the planes, to the First Responders being denied attendance to the 10th anniversary. Tons of stuff in between, like censorship; e.g. William Rodriguez and other eyewitness testimony, all towers falling at freefall speed, similar drills being performed that day... The list goes on! Still, that’s just not cool.
Those kids made millions of idiots at the cost of real peoples deaths /sigh these people make me feel sick
MyHirogen 8 hours ago
You could fly a plane through the gap in Burmas' teeth. Dear god.
SuperMegaFl0yd 11 hours ago
They keep asking questions, but present no answers.
TheAstonM12 12 hours ago
It's like 2 community college students decided to make a movie after a couple weeks of googling and youtubing information vs. 2 Guys who actually know what they're talking about.
Every scientific fact they bring they call a lie, and they ask WHERE'S YOUR SCIENCE? Well everytime we bring up a fact you call it a lie, so we get nowhere. Also majority of their claims rely on witness testimony rather than physical evidence.
Jason get his panties in a wad so hard in these videos, I can't stop loling
ArtisticSpaz 23 hours ago
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@ArtisticSpaz the 2 guys who as quoted by you "actually know" what was going on, gave a very weak argument compared to the two "community college students".
People get fooled by suits and ties. Besides, what scientific fact did they bring up? they made up a coupla claims and called them facts. Google them. Not facts. But I guess the suits & ties have had their effects.
& there are 100s of holes and evidences, not only relying on testimonies. If they list it all, it'd require over 3 days.
MrHardCash 9 hours ago
I love how they believe that in one of our biggest cities on a beautiful busy work day there are bombs planted all over in the biggest and busiest buildings and nobody notices it...
Americandino 2 days ago
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@Americandino lol you serious? as if it hasn't been done before?
The Russian Sept.'99 bombings? The Lavon Affair? Plus countless of others?
and you think they get planted by a group of obviously supsicious looking people carrying the bombs that everyone can see... doing it all in one day?
Lol.... you must be joking. I refuse to believe there are people that stupid.
MrHardCash 9 hours ago
I love how everybody who disagrees with the research these kids did fail to recognize that Popular Mechanics DID NOT ANSWER the last questions, rather they attacked conspiracy theories n crap. Why didn't they answer the question and decided to attack these kids?? That's my question. If they had so much compelling information, shouldn't they rather be telling us WHY these things are false rather than giving an explanation on why conspiracy theories are fake?
186dom 2 days ago
I like how these truthers keep interrupting the PopMechaninc guys, but that doesn't happen the other way around.
ThatTrafficCone 2 days ago
US government is fucked anyway. no shits were given
DeadCastout 3 days ago 2
Even if you are right, although they likely aren't, how does being disrespectful and condescending help your argument?
BSMixi 4 days ago
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@BSMixi Ask rather why Popular mechanics failed to answer the last questions and instead decided to attack conspiracy theories. If "PM" had so much compelling information, shouldn't they rather be telling us WHY these things are false rather than giving an explanation on why conspiracy theories are fake?
186dom 2 days ago
if someone ever meets these 2 little twats please push them down a flight of fucking stairs
TheGhostOfPainsey 5 days ago
@TheGhostOfPainsey You are obviously a very angry and violent person. Maybe you should go and seek medical help.
186dom 2 days ago
@186dom And obviously your a 9/11 retarded truther
TheGhostOfPainsey 1 day ago
what I find hilarious, is everytime someone questions the loose change guys... these popular mechanics guys reference two things each time...1.) we received photographs (THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS EVER SEEN) and 2.) a study conducted by a GOVERNMENT AGENCY. Convenient, eh?
DODPHOTOGRAPHY 5 days ago
@DODPHOTOGRAPHY theyre also apparently experts on conspiracy theories and how they work, and they use that expertise to debunk every point the loose change guys make. clearly an attempt not to refute their specific arguments but instead to discredit them as "crazy" conspiracy theorists. im not saying i believe all or any of it, but it certainly raises questions that i have not found the answers to. also, people who first thought the world was round were "crazy" to everyone else on earth.
RyLoTC 5 days ago
@RyLoTC I am in the same boat, I don't know what to think... but I certainly don't believe the grain the government is feeding the population. The tactic of calling someone crazy has been repeated over and over and over and over throughout history. I mean. the percentage alone of survivors and victims families who believe there is more to the story is disturbing... people aren't completely asleep at the wheel on this one.
DODPHOTOGRAPHY 4 days ago
@DODPHOTOGRAPHY They're denying a plane crashed into the world trade center conclusive evidence has been found to determine it has. I know the government lies and thats a simple reality of government and politics, but this is one circumstance they are right about. these guys are crazy.
ThePolishGuitarist 4 days ago
@ThePolishGuitarist They are not denying a plane crashed into the world trade centers retard. You obviously never saw the film. They are saying that the private renevation work that was done to the world trade centers and to building 7 had to be bombs placed in the buildings, and there is bomb debris recovered at the crash. Go look up super nano thermite. Or watch the damn video FFS.
186dom 2 days ago
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@RyLoTC Finally someone who agrees with me! If "PM" had so much compelling information, shouldn't they rather be telling us WHY these things are false rather than giving an explanation on why conspiracy theories are fake?
186dom 2 days ago
@DODPHOTOGRAPHY totally, nothing about interviews with leading experts and investigators on every subject of the ridiculous claims...
ThePolishGuitarist 4 days ago
@ThePolishGuitarist Watch the video retard. Maybe if you ACTUALLY watched loose change, you will see that they DID talk to a number of experts regarding the collapse of the towers.
186dom 2 days ago
@DODPHOTOGRAPHY I totally agree! YES!
186dom 2 days ago
@DODPHOTOGRAPHY yeah it is pretty convenient that a study has been done and peer reviewed . .. all of us can go and look for the truth ourselves. very very convienent id say. too bad those 2 kids didnt get the memo about how convienent peer reviewed research is. oh and fyi, i've seen some of the pics they're talking about so maybe u should do a fucking google search or something
keggerous 2 days ago
The popular mechanics guys are proper journalists. The loose change dudes act like buthurt children when their points are disputed with science.
mycatownsurdog 6 days ago
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@mycatownsurdog LOL! what science? Are you joking? Explaining how conspiracy theories work isn't science!!! That's called walking around the question! If "PM" had so much compelling information, shouldn't they rather be telling us WHY these things are false rather than giving an explanation on why conspiracy theories are fake? HAHAHA!
186dom 2 days ago
the guy in the black shirt is far too angry and childish... if you debate like this, it doesn't even matter if you have a point, no one will listen to what you have to say.
Caminacels 1 week ago
My god, Jason and Dylan just came off as assholes.
SlayerYur 1 week ago
Im glad popular mechanics kept it professional while that guys from loose change acted like kids in an argument. Always scoffing and yelling out lier...it got so annoying.
azngotback 1 week ago
There are people who lost there family members on that day and the first thing these 2 assholes do is tell them that America is an evil imperialist country whose government killed your husband or father so they can go to the middle east, kill civilians, and take there oil.
93214919321491 1 week ago
your not unpatriotic if you take the time to try and find reason why people in the goverment may have done this
TheHONKYLIPS 1 week ago
I think we were watching a different debate then because the pop mechanics guys keep putting any questions they cannot answer under "funny thing about all these conspiracy theories" umbrella.
Can I just add, has anybody noticed massive differences between the Twin Towers planes crashes and the Pentagon.All the arguements that the government uses in favour of the offical report at the Pentagon completely contradict those reports at the Twin Towers. They were all plane crashes so why so different?
dankenyan 1 week ago
Good Job Popular Mechanic Guys! These Loose Change guys are dumbasses
Zorn27 2 weeks ago
poor guys had no chance against the professionals with real evidence
thomasmargollesable1 3 weeks ago
@thomasmargollesable1 Hahahahaha, youre an idiot if you believe that, go do an iq test. 9/11 was a 100% inside job, AQ is a CIA mercinary group, Atta a CIA asset, 10 of the 19 "hijackers" still alive, none of them linked to AQ, rest of them linked to CIA.
Xendrius 3 weeks ago
@Xendrius don't waste your life man
thomasmargollesable1 3 weeks ago
@Xendrius Stupid Conspiracy Theory. Trying to make up more stories. You honestly think a missile hit The Pentigon, you honestly think that miliatry jets hit The Twin Towers? You are so stupid.
CrusaderJustice 1 week ago
@CrusaderJustice Haha, idiotboy, you believe a 757 hit the pentagon, with NO EVIDENCE, no engine marks, no wingmarks, no tailmarks, not even 1 big piece retrieved, no black boxes, you are saying an aluminium nose plane can go through 3 rings of the steel reinforced concrete pentagon walls and punch out a small hole but at the end not leave any solid parts that might have done the damage? You are crazy and stupid just as any other idiot who believes it.
And yes military droens were used on WTC.
Xendrius 1 week ago
@Xendrius People saw that planes hit. Ive seen pictures of the wreckage, and passengers were found and identified. That is enough to confirm that it was hot by a plane. Also you are not going to find tail marks and wing marks on a concrete building. Also you are a moron if you think military drones hit The WTC. You Conspiracy Theorits are nothing but stubborn fools.
CrusaderJustice 1 week ago
@CrusaderJustice There is no wreckage, and those who were close and inspected the scene, before any scripts were handed out, said, there is nothing there that indicates a plane hit, I don't care if they had an airliner fly by the pentagon, it was not used to hit it, nor did anyone see the plane hit it. That's why they had to quikcly take all the camera footage, because cameras can't be bribed or given money to lie. Military drones hit the WTC and I have the footage and the witnesses.
Xendrius 1 week ago
@Xendrius Really. Then why do so many say they saw a plane hit it. And Ive seen pictures of the wreckage. Also tell me what happend to the passengers aboard flight 77 if it did not hit The Pentigon. What about the famlies of the those who were aboard it. That is a weak arguement. Also I noticed you are bringing up the oldest excuse in the book. Money. Also your videos and footage do not proove that miliatry jets hit the towers. Thousonds of people saw that plane hit. Everyone has somthin to say.
CrusaderJustice 1 week ago
@Xendrius And yes some people say they saw a military jet. However they are just saying what they thought they saw. Countless people saw that plane hit and they were all from diffirent direactions. Also the footage you show is pretty much outdated which was debunked long ago. Also tell me if military drones hit the towers what happend to the people aboard flight 11 and 175.
All your ridiculous theoires about military jets and cruise missiles dont add up.
CrusaderJustice 1 week ago
@CrusaderJustice Not some, but EVERYONE who saw it close enough. Mark Birnbach from fox was asked in 2004 by the producers of in plane sight, if he was sure that hte plane had no windows and was fully grey, and he said yes it was fully grey, saw no blue parts or marks of logos of a UA plane. The footage was not debunked or is it outdated.
All your theories don't add up with video footage and witness testinomy from the EARLY non scripted reactons.
You saw the close up, if that doesnt help...
Xendrius 1 week ago
@Xendrius "No Windows" Yes that is outdated and debunked. Popular Mechanics debunked that to. Also yes Ive seen those close up. Airliner windows are tiny and those images become blurry and pixeld when zoomed in. There is no way you are goona find windows on them. Also that populaer image is not the only image. And in one of them I can see blue marks on the tail. Nice try.
CrusaderJustice 1 week ago
@CrusaderJustice Yes they painted the tail, that's clear from all the footage, anything blue would be very easy to spot, just as they planned to use in operation northwoods, in fake hijackings, to paint the tail. The belly is still grey, and has a split through its middle, which no UA plane has, nice try.
Xendrius 1 week ago
@Xendrius That makes no sense you are twustung things. Also I notice you keep ignoring the evidence I give you and try to class it as fake. You say the hi jacking was fake. Well if the hi jackings were fake why did they go of course and crash, who flew them into the towers if it wasnt the 19 Jihad fanatics? non of your theores add up.
CrusaderJustice 1 week ago
@CrusaderJustice There is no link whatever between the people on the hijack list and any devout muslim groups let alone AQ, these CIA assets were random arab mercinaries, they were paid money to take flight lessons but never learned how to fly, none of them were either preparing to die, as Atta and his buddy returned a rented car days before the attack even though they didn't have to return it. And Atta was a cocaine addict, ate pork, gambled, cursed god.
Your theories dont add up.
Xendrius 1 week ago
@Xendrius Nothing you said there adds up and you are just twisting things. You must be mistaking the for someone else. I havent seen a shred of evidence that they were anything like you said. I wouldnt be suprised if you were making these up to try and make your theoires more convincing. 9/11 Truthers are not as truthful as they claim to be. More weak arguments and ridicuouls poetic lies.
CrusaderJustice 1 week ago
I love how the loose change's argument to EVERYTHING is "Another lie.." can't those white trash morons get it through their heads that they're wrong and nothing they do will change that fact?
21ollej 3 weeks ago
Oh god.... some people are actually sensible when they argue about this stuff, but these guys are (like) children when they debate... I am a believer in these theories, but I have no respect for people sounding dumber than the debunkers...
I will stay with Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth and Alex Jones from now on...
stonee206 3 weeks ago
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Conspiracy is the new stupid fucking religion.. Everyone who don't believe are part of the conspiracy.. Hmm, reminds me of God and the devil?
samuelsson91 3 weeks ago
I like how he referenced to the creationist arguments because it actually is just like that. Truthers find little flaws in between huge factual evidence and dig at those little things that we dont exactly know everything about and say "Well we dont know what happened here so the whole thing must be fake. There has to be something else." For Truthers, that is government planned bombing or whatever other garbage they can think of at the time.
Plus can i ask why the government would even do this?
vivalakakarot 4 weeks ago
and when the fuck does exploding fuel just not explode and drip down to the first floor where it would finally explode.... WTF???
14masonhill 1 month ago
The popular mechanics blokes aren't arguing the factual evidence put forward by the loose change blokes, all they are doing is debunking conspiracy theorists? If it happened, speak the truth we would like to know what you know.
14masonhill 1 month ago
@14masonhill there really is no factual evidence put forward by Change...what pop. mech. was doing was using evidence they gathered in the way of photos, statistics, interviews, etc to disprove what the 2 young fidgety guys were screaming about. I thought it was a good series of videos.
yikesoyikes1 3 weeks ago
@yikesoyikes1 yeah but the thing is mate, its all well and good to sit there and say we have photos, these are the statistics and we have interviewed these people, but if you cannot prove this by means of capturing it on camera then im sorry but you do not have the right to state that you do and run the basis of your argument purely on belief. Because quite frankly i believe that the whole 9/11 issue needs factual and visual proof, the change boys have given me the truth, thats all i want.
14masonhill 3 weeks ago
@yikesoyikes1 whether it be just to kick up sparks about the us government i dont care, if the government came out tomorrow and for instance showed all the videos of the plane hitting the pentagon i would be content in saying that it actually happened because i can see it before my very eyes. maybe its just the person i am and that i dont trust peoples word, but i just need some clarification on the matter through visual analysis
14masonhill 3 weeks ago
@123tindris Anyone who watches Fahrenheit 9/11 wIll understand how much of joke Fahrenheit 9/11 is. I am broadly left wing and didn't agree with invading Iraq and even I was embaressed by its shoddyness. You could always like y'know read some books instead.
ma049 1 month ago
@FSU730 Sure ok as immediate guess I'd say that the your gas station story is just another bit of conspirasist BS which has been either made up or twisted from a real report. What us your source?
ma049 1 month ago
Calm, measured and well informed. The guys from popular mechanics did a text book debunking.
Meanwhile the "documentary" makers were just alternated between sulky teenager and peevish teenager mode.
Talk about a controlled demolition.
ma049 1 month ago
Berras is a fucking retard
CannocheeAirsoft 1 month ago
Truthers are quite frankly the most disgusting lying bastards on the planet. Take your bullshit and shove it up your arses.
terrymanning1 1 month ago
these guys are just young this is typical not as experienced not that big of a deal.
justincredibleguy 1 month ago 3
i cant choose either side, but, both have some good evidence and i can see this going either way
FSU730 1 month ago
Since you guys just keep bashing these guys, who can explain why all security videos from gas stations around the pentagon were taken within 10 minutes of the missile hitting it by the FBI?
FSU730 1 month ago
What I hate most is the way that Avery and Bermas keep fucking giggling like a couple of schoolchildren. How immature can you get?
wolfenriroar 1 month ago
@wolfenriroar they are giggling because they are dealing with 2 dicknobs who think they know everything. thats not immature, thats reality.
dudequerky 1 month ago
@dudequerky They do know everything about this - they're the experts and have people who are experts behind them. Even if they're wrong (they're not), giggling like schoolgirls is really fucking immature.
Fun fact: When Avery was making this video, it was a work of fiction. He had to wade through shot after shot of damning evidence in order to find clips that implied it was an inside job. Then Bermas came and told him to release it as truth. So he did. Think about it.
wolfenriroar 1 month ago
Loose change left with a loose anus
marianopicco 1 month ago 21
@marianopicco LOL
nexus1g 1 month ago
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If anyone watches Fahrenheit 9/11 you'll understand how much a joke 9/11 was and this whole war on terrorism and war in general. Fear is a great weapon, go look at the Patriot Act and what it entails and tell me that is no in breach of the constitution or what the USA stands for. Also go watch this: /watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XKfuS6gfxPY
123tindris 1 month ago
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123tindris 1 month ago
That was humorous.
IareBucket 1 month ago
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Popular mechanics won this debate hands down. Hell, there were points were the Loose Change guys were losing their cool.
Also in response to the 'Where's the wreckage' points, When plane usually crashes the pilot slows down the plane and tries to level of to avoid damaging the plane and thus decreasing casualties. These planes were ramming to the buildings and the ground at full speed.
gunmunz 1 month ago 2
@gunmunz Whoa, who the hell marked your comment as spam? Not cool, whoever it was.
wolfenriroar 1 month ago
@wolfenriroar There just afied of the truth that 9/11 was by... bunch of pissed off Musums. Though America did ignore the signs.
gunmunz 1 month ago
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gunmunz 1 month ago
im not saying it was the governments fault, but the government did it
robmation 1 month ago in playlist More videos from mediagrrl9
yup loose change won this debate but the guy with the black shirt needs to calm himself.
8drewski 1 month ago in playlist More videos from mediagrrl9
@8drewski They won this debate... how? by just saying "YOU'RE A LIAR"?
AprimalDwarf 1 month ago
@AprimalDwarf well that guy failed with that quote lol but those popular mechanics guys kept avoiding questions saying conspiracy theorists dont believe this or that when they gave alot of good evidence
8drewski 1 month ago
The Loose Change guys deabte like children.
markhermanson3 1 month ago 31
@markhermanson3 Ofcourse they do all Conspiracy theorists act like children, They cant accept reality.
2scary4yu 1 month ago
@markhermanson3 that's because the Loose Change guys know they are debating with deliberate liars, wake the fuck up schmuck
retro99ify 1 month ago in playlist More videos from mediagrrl9
@markhermanson3 the funny thing is, every thing they said is backed up with physical evidence and those 2 old halfwits do not ever answer the questions at hand and if they do, they do it poorly. the loose change guys are dealing with idiots. as quoted by 'retro99ify' 'wake the suck up schmuck'.
dudequerky 1 month ago
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"old" lol.
They are like 25 years old and even if they were 62 I would still consider them youthful...
GameReviewer1987 1 month ago
@markhermanson3 THAT IS SIMPLY A LIE
and they way they chuckle makes me sick
Stickmaleboy 1 month ago
@markhermanson3 I had hoped I wasn't the only one who saw that! They kept laughing at the evidence...
HipCovers 3 weeks ago
Listen loose change idiots, this is wrong. The person that you are rudely talking to is the editor of popular mechanics, he is much more wise, expireienced and have better resources. Think about it.
EFCSTUDIOS18 1 month ago
@EFCSTUDIOS18 go to sleep lilttle sheep x]
TheFamiliaMichoacan1 1 month ago
Maybe if these fellas were this observant about woman, they would be too busy getting laid to investigate all these silly details.
AngryCorndog 1 month ago
@AngryCorndog
I guess to some people there's more to life than fucking. Like getting involved in business and politics. Some people like to fight for power and greatness and push others down, just making sure they get bread, circuses and sex.
AttilaKattila 1 month ago
LOL. 3:03! Dylan Avery finally ends his psychotic ramblings...
yesiamawizardjonny 2 months ago
Jason Bermas is a raving lunatic...
yesiamawizardjonny 2 months ago
@yesiamawizardjonny Him and Avery Both, not to mention the COMPLETE disrespect of the other two.
Colonelmcscurvy 2 months ago
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@Colonelmcscurvy
"Him and Avery Both, not to mention the COMPLETE disrespect of the other two."
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Notice that they constantly cut the other two off... That's a tactic of dirty debate to make sure they don't get a chance to say something that they (Avery and Bermas) can't counter... The two of those guys who made Loose Change are just a duo of fuckups. They get more attention than they deserve.
yesiamawizardjonny 2 months ago
Their is no other explanation for building 7 falling as it did other than a controlled demolition. Don't believe these old stiffs, I have a feeling they were paid by the government in order to raise doubt against the clear common sense approach of L.C. This is not an isolated incident, the U.S. has been using "False Flag" operations as a means of entering into war for many many years.
TheMasterofganja 2 months ago
@TheMasterofganja . . . Except for the fact that it has no hallmarks of a controlled demolition (pin-prick flashes and bangs), and photographs clearly show the building burning for a good thirty minutes before the collapse.
wolfenriroar 1 month ago
@wolfenriroar ok so if your a government organisation that is trying to make everyone believe that the building fell on its own accord, you wouldn't try and demolish the building in a less audible and visual way? Seriously you think that they would stand there with the little lever and the black TNT box and watch as the whole world sees the twin towers go snap, crackle pop? come on mate
14masonhill 1 month ago
Thank you for the upload, it's refreshing to see programs like this where two different view points come together and (with a couple exceptions) try to reason things out.
CRUSH3Rdlux 2 months ago
It's funny how these truthers are telling people to do the research.... well didn't the debunkers told the info already?
TheStrawberryLolicon 2 months ago
Asinine, just asinine, they did nothing to disprove Loose Change that whole time, all they did was deny the evidence and ramble on about how conspiracies are stupid and what not, they never presented anything the whole of the argument to show flaws in Loose Change, all they did was make claims.
If anyone thought they did anything to disprove Loose Change, YOU, ARE, A, FOOL!!!
@jrdavis1 Your opinion, is just that, Loose Change deals in facts, all they did was pander about nothing, wake up!
rouncole1 2 months ago
Even if you take everything else away from the debate and just concentrate on the parties involved, it's obvious who are the calm and collected scholars and who are the annoying know it all hippies. Body language and speech alone with tell you who is lying and who telling the truth 99% of the time.
jb2lk 2 months ago
those losers in suits.... they need to take some speaking lessons as they mixed and matched their words every sentence and I had a hard time understanding their points
we all know 9/11 was a controlled measure to kill innocent Iranian citizens while claiming Osama Bin Laden was responsible
americans.... they cant even keep their own country intact
No603Scope 2 months ago
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@No603Scope We all know it was a terrorist attack.
flaggerify 2 months ago
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"any attempts to discredit that are just not scientifically sound"
Wow, what arrogance.
June28July 2 months ago
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"3:00
"any attempts to discredit that are just not scientifically sound"
Wow, what arrogance."
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No.. That's not arrogance. That was just stupidity. Avery and Bermas are not only stupid, but mentally ill. They both need help.
yesiamawizardjonny 2 months ago
That was some major pwnage of 911 truthers. I loved it, thanks to Democracy Now! for making it possible.
volodyanarchist 2 months ago
Dear, Dylan Avery Go jump off a cliff.
NavyOdie 2 months ago
Did these people take into account that the 1993 attack could have weakened the treses?
xfiles9302 2 months ago
Yeah, every time the people from Popular mechanics come up with logic and evidence Loose change are like BULLSHIT. Can they back up their claims of popular mechanics lying? No, they can't. They just say BULLSHIT. Popular mechanics debunk what has been said by Loose change and Loose change are like BULLSHIT.
arexyouxepicxenough 2 months ago
Why don't you research a little bit about Popular Mechanics and see for yourself why.
tyleryesta1 2 months ago
It's funny how these Popular Mechanics guys try to qualify every other word with another word or series or words/phrases to try making their statements seem legit. 'That's why things happen like that, and that's why that was in the report.' ....... "Government knows best, which is why we're here to face these two kids who disagreed with the story we ran, which by the way was front page news..."
Anyone with a decent history in behavioral science knows Popular Mechanics is full of sh!t
mt1221100 2 months ago
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@mt1221100 What would you believe? Witnesses who have no idea what they're talking about . Or people who have done research and interviewed people who know what they're talking about.
arexyouxepicxenough 2 months ago
Look how these Popular Mechanics idiots are all twitchy....they're LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH! Body language is the key here, folks!
mt1221100 2 months ago
They keep saying,ask questions,unless it pertains to what they are saying,I live in NY and if I see either of these frat boy jerk offs,someboby is getting punched.
teedzy1 2 months ago
why is everybody on here hating on conspiracy theorists?
DeceLGND 2 months ago
@DeceLGND ...government operatives & mouthpieces being obnoxious plus every day morons who still have faith in government doing their best to prevent rational discourse and the truth from coming out.
mt1221100 2 months ago
@DeceLGND because they are frustratingly ignorant of anything that contradicts their presumptions about 9/11.
randmnumber 2 months ago 2
@DeceLGND Because they're attention-seeking douchebags?
flaggerify 2 months ago
@flaggerify no. they are believers in the obvious truth and are just frustrated with most americans who are oblivious to the fact that there is NO question whatsoever that there was some government involvement on 9/11. There had to be. Bob graham was eating breakfast with general Mahmud Ahmed on the MORNING of 9/11, Mahmud Ahmed is the guy that had Ahmad Sheikh wire $100,000 to Mohamed Atta, the lead hijacker, days before 9/11. No doubt in my mind there was some sort of government involvement
DeceLGND 2 months ago
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@DeceLGND Because they have been proven wrong xD
75353866 2 months ago
@LilGreenGiant96 Amen, sir
mbelma6329 2 months ago
Bermas gives conspiracy theorists a bad name
mbelma6329 2 months ago
@mbelma6329 yeah yo everyone should be suit wearing robots
fuck passion!
BlueDoGGdeMoCrat 2 months ago
The whole argument of loose change is "That's a lie." They give no further evidence to conclude why it is a lie.
C0DYMCALISTER 2 months ago
nice diversionary tactic - when the subject of building seven was raised, the truthers strongest hand - the guy from popular mechanics went on the attack with a philosophical denunciation of conspiracy theories - instead of sticking to the evidence. Fair play to Amy Goodman - I hope the Truthers leave her alone now.
32peartree 2 months ago in playlist conspiracy
The guys from Popular Mechanics are very smart and I really like their magazines too. Good job showing the non-probational journalists how its done.
kelb53 2 months ago
one small point i cant remember if its revlivent to this video but its relivent to one of the parts the loose change guys say that the HUGE fire and explosion caused by the plane cant cause the building to fall but a small explosive 28 floors down or something can??? iii smeell bullshitt
crazyjesus24 2 months ago
all they can say is "another lie!!" then when their point is destroyed they change topic sound more like denialists than skeptics.
judoisoww 2 months ago
the thing that annoys me about the truthers is that everything is a conspiracy. like when wikileaks didnt have anything revealing the government involvment then suddenly wikileaks was a conspriacy. there is no arguing with them, their minds are made up.
smutyhouse 2 months ago
Sceince can prove you can hang an elephant off a cliif if you tie its tail to a daisy. That doesn't make it so.
mv0431099 2 months ago
One of the biggest thing that enraged me about this is that every time the Popular Mechanics guys made a valid point, the loose change assholes snort and laugh, and when it's their turn to speak they spout a load of completely hollow and speculative bullshit.
LilGreenGiant96 2 months ago
@LilGreenGiant96 that's what i keep thinking they make a good valid point like you say with evidence to back it up then the loose change guy just laugh and come up with some complete crap sorry for basically just repeating what you said but im too pissed off right now
crazyjesus24 2 months ago
@crazyjesus24 That's okay, I raged hard when I saw this.
LilGreenGiant96 2 months ago
Loose Change and these fucking morons who produced it, is some of the biggest bunch of utter nonsense i have ever watched. Blatant factually incorrect material shoved to the forefront as though it were the Gospel truth. Credible real witnesses tossed under the bus.
Bermas and Avery are two idiots with a lap top. That much i'll give them.
roquefortfiles 2 months ago
I don't have all this time to keep telling you ignorant fools what to believe
How about being a fucking decent patriot if you really love your country and don't care about preconceived idea's instilled through gov propaganda and media falsities and scare tactics - if you really want to learn about what happened on that day
newsmine(dot)org
Do it or shut up about all your damn self appointed OPINIONS
XRedxEyedxWandererX 2 months ago
FACT - It is impossible to fly an airliner into the pentagon @ speeds of 500+ mph
FACT - It is improbable for 3 Steel Skyscrapers hit by 2 planes 2 fall the same day
FACT - Every time a "political leader" is asked about such events and the falsification of them they are immediately barked at with no reappraisals
FACT - NIST/911 commision report and popular mechanics have been proven wrong time and time again.
Keep sticking your head in the sand america.. we are just a few steps from globalism
XRedxEyedxWandererX 2 months ago
@XRedxEyedxWandererX okay. what are your sources for these 'facts'
gunmunz 1 month ago
The fact that those kids are still alive in America spewing their uneducated nonsense is evidence to the contrary of the fiction they preach. If any organization or organizations did in fact conspire 9/11 and get away with it, why would they leave these two to keep "spreading the truth"? It wouldn't be hard at all to make them disappear compared to the effort it took for to make everything else happen.
rockon6191 2 months ago
@rockon6191 You are so thick.. there are so many people that speak out against the governments conspiracy theory YES it is a theory and a broken one at that.. They couldn't possibly hope to kill all the people speaking out you are loony - and as for the "effort" it took for them to make this happen obviously was flawed because people are seeing through this bullshit and the people who try to tell us BULLSHIT.
XRedxEyedxWandererX 2 months ago
@XRedxEyedxWandererX You're right. It's much more likely that it was all a conspiracy. How could I be so ignorant?
rockon6191 2 months ago
@rockon6191 what are you talking about
instead of taking short cheap shots explain yourself or you are just some idiot spreading nonsense
XRedxEyedxWandererX 2 months ago
@XRedxEyedxWandererX What cheap shot or idiot nonsense are you referring to?
rockon6191 2 months ago
@rockon6191 Quit being so rhetorical and start talking about what you wish to get out of this enlightening discussion.
XRedxEyedxWandererX 2 months ago
@XRedxEyedxWandererX I genuinely am not trying to get anything out of this.... What are you trying to get? Or is there something I should be getting?
rockon6191 2 months ago
@rockon6191 You do talk/type like somebody who has read none of the positions of people on the opposite side of the argument of yourself. If you do not care why type any questions about why ask questions like "leaving these 2 kids alive" obviously you did care to make that comment but refute nothing. Have a good day because you obviously do not care about what happened on that day you P.O.S.
XRedxEyedxWandererX 2 months ago
@XRedxEyedxWandererX Well aren't you a treat... Someone makes a comment you disagree with and you go on a string of angry personal attacks and assumptions. You're not exactly presenting yourself as a person to be learned from, mister.
rockon6191 2 months ago
@rockon6191 Please stop embarrassing yourself its quite pathetic really. If you want to talk talk if you can't handle it then shut the fuck up.
XRedxEyedxWandererX 2 months ago
@XRedxEyedxWandererX See that's the thing: I like having real discussions. What I don't like are people who are instantly angry and rude to those who disagree with them. See your first comment, which opens with "You're so thick," See your next comment, of "idiot nonsense." Then, "P.O.S." and finally, I'm pathetic and should shut the fuck up. When have you demonstrated an openness to rational discussion? You can't yell at me to be rational while being an irrational jerk from the start.
rockon6191 2 months ago
@rockon6191 Well seeing as how you were continuing to babble on and on about some smart ass comment. Yes this is youtube and you should not expect any courtesy. Now if you do actually have something else to say other than what I have rudely said to you why don't you talk about some facts? Oh? You are just a waste of time. You are getting nothing done.
XRedxEyedxWandererX 2 months ago
@XRedxEyedxWandererX Ok, so we've established the fact that you've been acting like a jackass, that's good. Now I'm gonna throw something out there: when speaking about elaborate and largely dismissed conspiracy theories, the burden of proof lies with the asserter of the theory. It certainly wouldn't make sense to assume every conspiracy theory is true outright. So if you have really compelling evidence, I'm happy to listen. But I don't think it's my job to disprove anything just yet.
rockon6191 2 months ago
@rockon6191 but it is like you don't want to talk about anything of substance and just want to mess around on youtube that is why I am giving you no more respect than you are giving me so please do yourself a favor and continue to type these comments because otherwise you will be proven wrong
and you are doing a good job of discrediting yourself
XRedxEyedxWandererX 2 months ago
The 9/11 conspiracy movement is mostly a bunch of pot heads, and then some, that want to think they know something that the 'productive lemmings' don't know and are above everybody else. Charlie Sheen was a very attractive actor in the 80's and it looks really cool when you are acting like a dumbass 20 years later, and you have millions of dollars at the end of the day when NONE OF YOU OTHERS WILL.
socialistcontainment 3 months ago
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It has been PROVEN BY NIST themselves that WTC7 WAS BLOWN UP. They tried to hide it in their preliminary report but were forced by David Chandler to in the final one admit to a 2,25 SECOND PERIOD OF FREE FALL. They then tried to divert attention from that by focusing on an average. Free fall, even for just a period, is possible ONLY through controlled demolition. Spread the links.
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HurburBurbur 3 months ago
loose brains need tinfoil hats to keep them in....lol
jfree1998 3 months ago
The titanic was also crash proof. anything created by humans has flaws. just as people do, these two immature boys do also. but hey, you can go watch loose change FOR FREE I TELL YOU! (well lets just sell out product while being owned on TV)
RobbyRaging 3 months ago
wow jason meigs didn't even argue back at the end
sdman96 3 months ago
ahahahahah Truthers are mad hahahaha. they got their ass handed to them
ImAwesome4728 3 months ago
These Loose Change guys and any of they conspiracy theorists have absolutely no regard for the victims and the families of the victims of this tragedy. Typical idiots. They remind me of when I was back in high school when I would try to debate with all of the redneck boys who would giggle like schoolgirls when they thought they more than anyone. =/
OrangeKappa 3 months ago
@OrangeKappa Are you fucking kidding me? How do they not have any respect for the victims of 9/11? It was them who started the movement!
sdman96 3 months ago
@OrangeKappa ad hominem at its finest
sdman96 3 months ago
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@OrangeKappa Sorry but you need to go fuck yourself because there are many many people who care about the First Responders and the people lost on that day - why don't you stop making stupid comments and bring something of substance to this comment section instead of a stupid rant advertising your ignorance as it was the hot product to buy. Btw the bush administration could give a rats ass about the FrstResponders they made the EPA lie about the safety of the air do some fkn research asshole
XRedxEyedxWandererX 2 months ago
Bravo boys! (as you are being called) Young minds are so much more intelligent than “old schooled” ones. Older generations might have more experience, but try to keep them up to speed on today’s technology and they’re lost (my opinion). Now I don’t know how old these guys are, they said they’re editors, “not experts in metallurgy or structural engineering ”. They retrieved their info and E T I D E D it. (Notice play on the word EDITED?)
dvntcentre 3 months ago
When Popular Mechanics guys made a comment comparing the Holocaust situation to what these guys are doing was very juvenile behavior on their part. I am actually embarrassed for them for even going there.
I have no ties to 9/11, didn’t know anyone personally, don’t live there, etc. But I do have young children who will inherit this country on this beautiful earth and it is my job as a parent to protect them. Not only from falling in the bathtub, but from evil, deception, and lies.
dvntcentre 3 months ago
@dvntcentre
9/11 truthers are just as ignorant as holocaust deniers. They both ignore the consensus of nearly every expert on the subject to belittle little points.
MrJahka 3 months ago
@MrJahka Apples and Oranges. (BTW, I am not a Holocaust denier, hoping you might see the BIG difference between the two events.) So tell me what important facts am I ignoring that would make me think otherwise, NIST? Huh! I’m not seeing much of that, just a lot of name calling and foul language on YT. I’m sorry that you don’t see what others and I do, but that’s your problem (or job) that you have to deal with. But did you know that there are other EXPERTS? Yea, but with a different story :)
dvntcentre 3 months ago
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@MrJahka You want experts on the 911 story, here we go,check out a video on youtube called- "AE911Truth Experts Speak Out"
Peace
back2paranormal 3 months ago
@dvntcentre It was a fair comparison. They were NOT accusing the "Loose Change" boys of perpetrating something similar to the Holocaust. They were comparing the strategies of Holocaust deniers to the strategies of 9/11 truthers. In other words, they were pointing out similarities in the ways that conspiracy theories form and are supported by their adherents. Perfect comparison, in my opinion.
jrdavis1 3 months ago 9
@jrdavis1 The key phrase is “one little gap” then compares that with Holocaust deniers. There is not “one little gap”, there are several gaps; from the planes, to the First Responders being denied attendance to the 10th anniversary. Tons of stuff in between, like censorship; e.g. William Rodriguez and other eyewitness testimony, all towers falling at freefall speed, similar drills being performed that day... The list goes on! Still, that’s just not cool.
dvntcentre 3 months ago