I can't believe you are equating our behavior to how the bible describes homosexuality. That one time. Ok following that logic ,I'll say all Christians follow KKK and the mafia, (Of Course I don't mean that,I'm better then that) BTW ,yes evolution is fact and we are responsible for our choices. It's called human nature and common sense. If you need a book to tell you it's wrong to rape then I can only assume you are brainwashed or mentally ill.
Your capacity to believe random shit is matched by your capacity to make up random shit it would seem.
Quite an amazing lack of empathy you show for roadkill - what makes you think they're charging across the road in some hormone-driven frenzy (not that there's anything wrong with that).
For all you know - they may be ranging far and wide to gather food to feed a hungry young family. Looks like you not only want to see the worst in people - but animals too
It's not just 'bravery' - it should be your duty to make damn sure your god really is just.
What sort of justice is unquestionable?
Can it really be justice if it's not transparent and understandable?
It's appalling that you would consider questioning a system of punishment to be stupid. It's only stupid in an evil dictatorship - is that what you're saying christianity is?
Why don't you do a little research on the subject? Much has been discovered abd learned about the subject. You want the best and latest medical information about a disease or medical problem when you are ill, so why not on all things? Homosexuality is not mentioned in the BIG TEN, NEITHER DID CHRIST mention anything about it. The Bible has it's good points, but like any book you use for scientific data, please keep it updated.
God have indeed given us the ability, as Homo-sapians to make a choice, to act on our instincts or rebell against them. However part of the problem is we're under influence of evolution, we're suffering from generational sins. This is why god is telling us to model control, b/c we are letting our instincts evole getting increadibly powerful and out of control.
Part of your problem is you don't understand the connection of sexuality, evolution, and God. We're not bisexuals, we're all heterosexuals. homosexuality is a sin because, Lust (of any kind) is sin. Homosexuality comes from Heterosexuality. Every animal of the Sexual-reproduction method have the same potentials of homosexuality (we start from the same place) this is because it is the sexual gene that induces reproduction, (which we don't need) that's evolving out of control.
What makes you think anyone gives a fuck what you think? If being gay is a choice for you, then you're a bisexual woman. Ask any straight man if being gay is a choice available to him personally, he'll soon put you straight on that one. One last point, the bible was written by a lot of religious nuts, not by god.
For starters, the fact that you live on a farm explains ALOT! If homosexuality is not a choice, then how do people become gay? Are they attracted to women, but then decide to be attracted to men? Also, if we're talking about soddom and gemorah, how about the fact that the only holy family in the city, the family which is saved by God, actually ends up in incest when the daughters rape their father? Is that holy? hmm.
if you want to get really crazy, they say that these "angels" or "celestial creatures" are actually aliens. Its all about understanding their context.
why would anyone choose to be gay you fool gay people are born that way and there ain't anything wrong with that
now I'm strait and since i was borne strait i will always be strait only homosexuals are attracted to the same sex and if u are a strait person and think I'm wrong then tell me do you have homosexual desires if the answer is no then theres your answer if your answer is yes then you need to come out of the closet
Sable, since you apparently consider yourself the foremost expert on chickens to the point of if you don't see it then it must not exist, then may I ask you a question?
Do you think it's possible for a chicken to stay alive indefinitely with its head cut off? I think it is.
Ganthan, even "Mike" the headless chicken died. BTW I don't think that his head was cut off, but his face was gone and the brain was still there to a degree.
Well obviously I didn't mean idefinitely as in 'live forever' I just meant still living a reasonably normal chicken lifespan despite the beheading.
The point I'm making is why are you willing to believe in the story of Mike the Headless Chicken? It was before your time so you obviously never saw it yourself. You weren't afraid to immediately discount the possibility of homosexuality in chickens simply because you haven't seen it, so why not this?
Chickens have surprised me. They have very interesting behaviors. I don't raise chickens for eggs, the eggs are great, but I raise them because I am fascinated by them.
While I appreciate the fact that you actually do research unlike many creationists who cling only to a Bible and tell us to go piss off, you still seem to be in the habit of accepting or denying research based purely on what you want. You immediatelly and with great disgust discounted the possibility of homosexual behavior in chickens not because you simply haven't seen it yourself, but because homosexuality is something you feel compelled to rally against.
It's out of the range of chicken behavior for them to act homosexual. Even if you were to put them under unnatural and stressful conditions, I still would find it highly unlikely. I have seen some odd behaviors, I have even seen a hen crow, because she was raised without any other chickens, her only contact was a short hour visit from a young rooster that crowed for her. But she grew out of that as soon as she was able to live with other chickens.
If you find a rooster mating another rooster because there are NO hens around, and they are in a small cage where they can not get away from each other...what does that prove? is this love? is this behavior drivin by hormones? Their need to mate is so strong that I have seen roosters brake the backs of hens in competition of mateing her, is that love? NO
RexT42 says in his video that animals will carefully consider their partners feelings and would never do anything to hurt their mate...he knows nothing.
The point he made is. You not seeing it happen just doesn't proove bull. Goto the wiki Article and check it again, they've sourced basically every claim made in the article "Homosexuality in animals". Go check it yourself. Besides, theres nothing about chicken in there.
One thing that has always bothered me. The central thesis of being a "Christian" is understanding all men are bothers. Even if you believe homosexuality is a sin, shouldn't the central truth override any desire to force others to accept your viewpoint? Shouldn't one strive for tolerance of others? This to me is the real trap, using the bible as justification of not extending basic human rights to a group. We make choices every day, why not choose to make this world a better place?
A person's childhood experiences effect their sexuality. So, in fact being gay could be a product of a childhood experience. But that doesn't make it wrong to be.
Well, Sablechicken, you got a lot of ideas mixed up in there. A lot to chew on. I love animals, and I definitely see how they can be "forced" to make these "artificial" choices, but since humans are not forced into those "choices", I don't see how you can say it's an animalistic domination thing.
That's actually a really good way of putting it. However, I must disagree. Also, your opinion on having the freedom to choose as we wish and being socialised into making unhealthy choices don't coincide. It sounds to me as if you think anyone who is not Christian isn't actually thinking and they are just going along with all the crap fed to them by the media. You should know, this isn't true.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying people don't make unhealthy choices because of those around them or the situations they've grown up in, but it's not as simple as you're making it sound. And there are a lot of people who make "healthy" choices even though those around them do not.
There are a variety of expressions of human sexuality -- including human heterosexual sexuality -- that go beyond vaginal intercourse. Why does this fact continue to vex believers, at least when the expressions of human sexuality happen to involve two people of the same gender? It's not about what "fits" in what "hole." That's an extraordinarily childish take on human sexuality. If homosexual sex didn't work, so to speak, people would have given up on it along time ago.
It seems to me that we want it both ways. You say, "If homosexual sex didn't work, so to speak, people would have given up." which is a choice, others say they have no choice because they are born homosexual.
Well, Sablechicken, you're taking my "so to speak" literally, which misses the point entirely. The fact is homosexuality occurs in nature -- even if it only occurs among human beings. It's natural.
Sable's absurd position, taken to its logical conclusion, would dispense with messy, inefficient human intercourse altogether. If the a sexual act is to be judged solely on it's chances of making babies, pippettes are the order of the day, and sexual pleasure is unjustifiable.
Further: this means that if a couple is infertile, sablechicken should recommend that they stop having sex too, since they have no chance of having kids.
Indeed, Bitbutter. It seems that many believers who are so troubled by homosexuality have not taken the time to think through their arguments against it, many of which go just as easily to heterosexuality.
Why is it a moot point. God created all things with their own unique qualities, one size does not fit all. Evolution says that we all came from the same patch of slime, and make stretch of the imagination to compare animal and human behavior in the way they do.
Homosexuality is biological, this has been proven scientifically in a number of ways. The reason it wasn't fazed out by evolution is because we humans formed societies that tended to the survival needs of individuals. Watch my vid response to you for more details, and then, having your questions thus answered, stop slandering and oppressing millions of people you've never met please:)
Oh, and if I'm not mistaken, your bible calls for homosexuals to be stoned to death, so if you are not calling for homosexuals to be stoned to death, then you disagree with your own holy book, so why invoke it at all?
Jesus had 2 commandments brouhajoe. All the prophets and law hang upon them. Check em out.
Stoning sinners n' such applied to israel for the bringing about of Jesus.
"stop... opprsessing millions..."
-lol "stop voicing your opinion and let me voice mine. Stop trying to change things for what you think is better and only let me have it my way and only if I think it's ok... then lets change things." rofl. C'mon brouhajoe see how crazy that sounds?
brouhajoe when people like you make in my face comments like the last two that you just made....well it makes me think you will not allow anyone to have choice. You take away my freedom of speech. If you want to worship your golden calf of homosexuality, by all means how would I be able to stop you...you enjoy yourself, get off my channel and STOP FORCING YOUR RELIGION DOWN MY THROAT!
"stop slandering and oppressing millions of people you've never met please:)"
Give me a break, homosexuals tell us what to wear, how to talk, what to eat, what to buy, what color to paint my bedroom...but they don't have choices? I'm removing your video and blocking you. PLEASE STOP FORCING YOUR BELIEFS ON ME.
Have you ever met a homosexual? I went to 2nd grade with a gay kid that pretended to be Wonder Woman while we all pretended to be Luke Skywalker or the Hulk. He's gay to this day
Uh, actually I have. Countless boys experiment with other boys..does that make them "bi-sexual?" When I was a kid a had a dog that was always humping our legs...is that beastiality?
Homosexuality is NOT a normal human sexual act- regardless of how you want to classify it. At best, it is a mental disorder- the delusion is to think that it is normal.
You have NO EVIDENCE, only speculation that homosexuality is indeed normal. Wishful thinking pal.
I don't understand the grief on the subject. Earth's population is 6.6 billion. I don't know what "evolution" would say, but I would guess that homosexuality would be more common among animals prone to over populate, and actually serve to maintain the status quo between population and resources.
If there was a loving God guiding us, I would presume it was his will for us to have love, but not make so many babies.
You have a really good point. It does say in the Bible that in the last days we would see allot of homosexal behavor in men and women. It's in God's word.
Well, with a population of over 6 billion, we better have a few homosexuals. If you believe it's part of God's design, wonderful. From a population control perspective it makes sense.
It's too bad many Christians are simply intolerant, though in Mexico, a very Catholic country, homosexuality seems to be accepted, esp among those from San Fran who move there.
4. "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead." Acts 17:30-31
3. "A former homosexual who has carried on an effective ministry for five years amoung homosexuals reported, 'I have counseled over three hundred homosexuals and have yet to find one that enjoyed a warm love relationship with his father."We are sinners, who must STOP sinning, start forgiving those who have sinned against us, get back to God with our whole heart, soul, mind & strength.
2. Theres a book called, "The Unhappy Gays" The book makes it clear that homosexuals are "made not born" homosexual. Fathers play a significant role in the raising of children in many areas and a father's actions can be critical in preventing his children from becoming both homosexual or lesbian....
1. The Bible's condemnation of homosexuality is as clear and plain as the Bible's condemnation of murder, adultery, premarital sex, kidnapping, lying and idolatry. It's all sin according to God and If we disagree it's with God. God will never change his standards that is settled.
If people who are born to be heterosexual, but "choose" to be homosexual, what are they basing their choice on? They are going to choose a life style that also includes a higher risk of dying young, of being bullied and beaten most of their lives and thrown out of the house by their parents at 16? Or is it the sodomy? A percentage of heterosexuals practice sodomy. Where does that leave the question?
I'm too tired to make much comment, but atheism is neither bravery nor stupidity, it's just honesty - we say what we believe (or, rather, that we don't believe) and that's all.
And yes, we do have a choice - be honest and admit we don't believe, or lie about it.
Will god be fooled by our lies? If not, we're still going to hell, right?
Sable, always like your video's whether I agree totally or not. Without out getting into a confrontational milieu of whether this (Bible) should be taken literally or relationally or figuratively (Gods word)that is, gluttony is gluttony. That is the crux of the sod/gom story. It was the rebellion/flesh worship/barbarianism that caused its destruction. allegorically it is quite evident, and I feel that it how it should be interpreted.
to find out what God thought of homosexuality would best be checked by what God has done. There is homosexual actions in animals... we can't check the Bible for that because the Bible is the word of men interpreting God's word, and putting it in imperfect human language. To get perfection from the bible requires the ability to connect with God and find inspiration beyond the mere words of the Bible... again, to look at God's will in nature. no?
GREAT video, Sable!! I think the reason people come up with all these "excuses" for gay behavior is because they enjoy their sin and they don't want to have to stop....so they deny the truth, hoping it's it's false. That's what I did! Be blessed, sis!!
I am not hoping it's false Carolyn, since I aint gay so argument may not quite fit for all people so it can't be used an entire equation. I just don't see things eye to eye with you on this. I do love you and your hubby doh my friend. I just don't understand you Bible Belt folks. Your accent I understand though. Peace!
I'm a guy. I look at female breasts and butts with lust. If there's a naked woman to be seen, I'm the first to look. I have sex with women any chance I get. Do you think I chose this? Can you choose your feelings? If I was a woman and had the same feelings, your book you call God would damn me to the firey hole. No wonder church attendance is down!
"people come up with all these "excuses" for gay behavior is because they enjoy their sin and they don't want to have to stop"
Why should they stop? Would you have us believe that there is a cruel God who allowed someone to be born with homosexual desires, but isn't allowed to indulge?
Ok fine, no one is born gay as sexuality is a result of puberty, but it would seem that many are born with the predisposition.
As for this lie... that would only apply if there was a societal push for homosexuality, which there clearly isn't. It takes a lot of courage to admit one is gay in a society which
Ha Ha! Are you living in a bubble? Have you watched any sitcoms or movies lately? Are you aware of how the Public School sector is being controlled by the gay agenda??
"... never once seen them after another male bird."
There is a homosexual rooster here at the ranch, that is funny to watch when he does his mating dance in front of other roosters. The other roosters look.... well, baffled and confused. In the spring I will get him of video tape.
Homosexual roosters do exist. Some try to steal eggs from other hens and hatch them. Hens are not keen on this, so they usually end up sitting on some rocks.
While I don't know how "evolution" explains this, I would guess a hen is more likely to get the axe in the wild than the eggs, and it would be damned helpful to have someone take care of the damned eggs.
Your little story doesn't sound like homosexuality in rooster to me. Rooster help the hen pick the nesting spot. They all don't do this but many rooster protect the chicks.
"Your little story doesn't sound like homosexuality in rooster to me."
A rooster doing mating dancers in front of other roosters and trying to mount roosters does not sound like homosexuality to you? What, is the rooster in question just nearsighted?
"A rooster doing mating dancers in front of other roosters and trying to mount roosters does not sound like homosexuality to you?"
And the whole stealing of other hens eggs, getting frustrated, and settling for ROCKS.
To me it sounds like the gay rooster behavior would be damned useful in an environment where there are predators, where the male takes over the female role.
You are assuming we have "free will" when you claim we make choices. We should live as if we have "free will" even though science shows for a fact we do not.
As for homosexuality, nobody chooses to be homosexual.
"Nice to see the 'ol desertphile still spewing his diarrhea of the mouth"
I should make a video outing you--- you know, for your other YouTube channel where you play the atheist "shemale" act you used in my channel. Did you really believe I wouldn't find out? Seriously.
Haha ha haha- EVERY ONE OF MY CHRISTIAN FRIENDS knew, idiot- The only reason you found out was because I told Neonsolid... And the funny thing was that a load of atheists rushed and subscribed... of course, with the exception of YOU because deep down you are a homophobe.
All I ask is that you allow me to make my choices. If you see my choices as wrong so be it. Please allow me the freedom to choose, as in your world view your God allows you to choose. I will fight to protect your right to choose. Please at least avoid fighting to prevent me my right to choose.
Your videos never fail to make me laugh. I've come to expect massive misinterpretation of evolution from you on a regular basis. If you ever say anything on it that's actually true I'd be amazed.
Seriously, I'm trying to help you out here. Maybe my optimism is just masochistic at this point but I honestly believe that anybody can understand evolution because it is such a simple thing.
Hey Sable... there are people that say that because Humans are "related" to the Bonobos species, that pedophilia is normal!! You know, where's the limit?? This is EXACTLY the irrationality of the world-
Homosexuality is REAL- YES, it is a real sinful desire and behavior. It is a sin like any other sin- a sin that goes against the Original Perfection of NATURE.
Uh, is there a need to be so specific? or are you intimidated by the notion that Christians do not have a 'mental disorder' like your god claims? Don't tell me you're one of those PAT Condell Zombies!?!
Sable- I believe in "INTER-SPECIES" SEXUALITY!! I've seen plenty of dogs humping on people, therefore beastiality MUST be normal! LOL
Great video Sable- Im buying a house with a couple of acres...can't wait till we move in- I need some advice on raising chickens in the winter though...
Sable, your videos are moving up and up and up in quality and power for God's kingdom...thank you for the courage to step out there with such truth.. God bless you and know that we love you and are standing with you.
Homosexuality is apparent and well-documented in hundreds of species of animals. I do not know about chickens specifically, but I don't see any reason why they can't be gay.
The evidence that animals can be homosexual, not acting out "dominance behaviour" is blowing holes in all the arguments that homosexuality in humans is a choice. A lot of the information about homosexual animals is supressed, unfortunately.
Birds don't just form monogomous heterosexual mated pairs. There's documentation of some birds forming mate-bonds with birds of other species; documentation of birds forming single-sex groups much less pairs; and documentation of birds forming multi-sex groups. It all depends on what they're doing looking for companionship, looking for safety or looking to raise a mess of babies.
I was raised in the country too... Once I saw a rooster hump on a puppy we used to have! Seriously!! Again, is THAT evidence of INTER-SPECIES SEX? On Liveleak there is a video of a horse trying to hump on this guy...
My point is- ANIMALS do not have the rational of human beings. When they want to "do it" they just "do it...
I think what people fail to understand is that the human race would "race" to the "finish line" (extinction) if we all decided to be gay in the morning.
DB- I have to disagree with you...Evidence in the animal kingdom??
Let me ask you this- Have you ever had a dog hump on your leg? Millions of Human beings have had dogs hump on them, is that "evidence" of INTER-SPECIES sex?
"Let me ask you this- Have you ever had a dog hump on your leg? Millions of Human beings have had dogs hump on them, is that "evidence" of INTER-SPECIES sex?"
It's evidence of attempted inter-species sex. Sure.
Apologies in advance i'm mischaracterising what you're saying but you _seem_ to be saying that the fact that animals aren't concerned whether or not what they're doing is inter-species sex, means it's not really inter-species sex. That's a non sequitur.
Friend, I respect people's ability to reason so therefore I respect your attempt to construct an argument based on your world-view. As did you, I learned a long time ago that a "valid and reasonable argument" does not necessarily mean that it is truth or even correct. What I see in the atheist community is the lack of at least, recognizing that some of the Christian arguments are "reasonable."
that is true Byzantine that many atheists are unable to recognize a reasonable argument from a Christian but the shoe fits on the other foot with that argument. Any argument I can think of about motivations and behavior that the atheists fall into the Christian does the same behavior and doesnt even take notice.
Right- So we can agree then that for the most part "reasonable arguments" are based on POV's rather than on absolute truths- so therefore, whether Christian or Atheist, we must refrain from calling each other's views "absolutely fallacious" and so on.
For example, I recently said: "To attempt something denotes thinking." Perhaps I should've said "requires?" In any case, what Im saying is that I've made what seems to me to be a reasonable propositional statement, based on a series of experiential and teleological arguments- yet you havent even recognized it., at lease as a "possibility."
"It's evidence that animals don't think before they hump!"
For the sake of the discussion let's accept what you seem to be suggesting; P1. Non-human animals don't generally think before doing things.
"To attempt something denotes/requires thinking."
Unless you have a extremely unusual understanding of 'attempt' this is clearly false in light of P1. Or are are you seriously suggesting that it's incorrect to say that a spider attempts to catch a fly?
Ok, quite a powerful video. Clearly honest. ... ... ... ... ... *thinking* ... ... ... I can't really respond. ... ... ... ... Why does the christian want to change the non-christian? ... ... ... ... I as a skeptic I do not want or expect to change christians, but I do want them to understand. ... I am very sure I understand "christians". I'm starting to come to the opinion that the understanding I imagine is not going to happen.
Yoke up is never going to achieve what I mean by understanding. He recently, repeatedly articulated what many christians have said and I guess thought. His belief is so strong that he cannot imagine how someone could not believe! So he says "atheists" are basically not being honest because they all know that god exists. He is not the first to say this.
Sable you have more brains than Yokeup. (that's my way of insulting yokeup without you noticing) You are smart enough to turn that argument around and see it is both insulting, insencitive and comes from arrogant ignorance. So for me ...
All of the above are honest christians I suppose. The thing is they say it loud, proud and Extreme! Honest and true Extreme. Too bad so sad Extreme! I am right, Extreme! You are wrong Extreme! I live Extreme! You die Extreme! Fuck you Extreme! I love you Extreme!
I really wanted to give this five stars for comedic value...but alas, I think you're serious.
abetterpersonthanyou 2 years ago
You are already wearing Hijab, the head covering of muslim women.
Allha aqaba - God is great.
lisa3x 2 years ago
I love your videos.
4096x 3 years ago
I can't believe you are equating our behavior to how the bible describes homosexuality. That one time. Ok following that logic ,I'll say all Christians follow KKK and the mafia, (Of Course I don't mean that,I'm better then that) BTW ,yes evolution is fact and we are responsible for our choices. It's called human nature and common sense. If you need a book to tell you it's wrong to rape then I can only assume you are brainwashed or mentally ill.
ChadNsc1991 3 years ago
Your capacity to believe random shit is matched by your capacity to make up random shit it would seem.
Quite an amazing lack of empathy you show for roadkill - what makes you think they're charging across the road in some hormone-driven frenzy (not that there's anything wrong with that).
For all you know - they may be ranging far and wide to gather food to feed a hungry young family. Looks like you not only want to see the worst in people - but animals too
neuronstorm 3 years ago
It's not just 'bravery' - it should be your duty to make damn sure your god really is just.
What sort of justice is unquestionable?
Can it really be justice if it's not transparent and understandable?
It's appalling that you would consider questioning a system of punishment to be stupid. It's only stupid in an evil dictatorship - is that what you're saying christianity is?
neuronstorm 3 years ago
Why don't you do a little research on the subject? Much has been discovered abd learned about the subject. You want the best and latest medical information about a disease or medical problem when you are ill, so why not on all things? Homosexuality is not mentioned in the BIG TEN, NEITHER DID CHRIST mention anything about it. The Bible has it's good points, but like any book you use for scientific data, please keep it updated.
ktorch 3 years ago
God have indeed given us the ability, as Homo-sapians to make a choice, to act on our instincts or rebell against them. However part of the problem is we're under influence of evolution, we're suffering from generational sins. This is why god is telling us to model control, b/c we are letting our instincts evole getting increadibly powerful and out of control.
stardaisy23 3 years ago
Part of your problem is you don't understand the connection of sexuality, evolution, and God. We're not bisexuals, we're all heterosexuals. homosexuality is a sin because, Lust (of any kind) is sin. Homosexuality comes from Heterosexuality. Every animal of the Sexual-reproduction method have the same potentials of homosexuality (we start from the same place) this is because it is the sexual gene that induces reproduction, (which we don't need) that's evolving out of control.
stardaisy23 3 years ago
What makes you think anyone gives a fuck what you think? If being gay is a choice for you, then you're a bisexual woman. Ask any straight man if being gay is a choice available to him personally, he'll soon put you straight on that one. One last point, the bible was written by a lot of religious nuts, not by god.
InGothika 3 years ago
For starters, the fact that you live on a farm explains ALOT! If homosexuality is not a choice, then how do people become gay? Are they attracted to women, but then decide to be attracted to men? Also, if we're talking about soddom and gemorah, how about the fact that the only holy family in the city, the family which is saved by God, actually ends up in incest when the daughters rape their father? Is that holy? hmm.
jumblehorn 3 years ago
if you want to get really crazy, they say that these "angels" or "celestial creatures" are actually aliens. Its all about understanding their context.
oceansurflove 4 years ago
Wikipedia is full of crap..
There are articles on god and bible, so they are all crap :D
kais3rz3r0 4 years ago
I wouldn't blindly trust the Wikipedia about anything.
sablechicken 4 years ago
Wrath.... Well, isn't that sinful? Why would your all-powerful, LOVING god want to let his wrath fall upon those he loves?
Atheists aren't being stupid--they're sticking up for what they believe in.
People aren't making things up, they're looking inside themselves.
Anyway, your goat is cute.
seraphinapandora 4 years ago
why would anyone choose to be gay you fool gay people are born that way and there ain't anything wrong with that
now I'm strait and since i was borne strait i will always be strait only homosexuals are attracted to the same sex and if u are a strait person and think I'm wrong then tell me do you have homosexual desires if the answer is no then theres your answer if your answer is yes then you need to come out of the closet
thadavid 4 years ago
Thadavid
Talk about circular reasoning!
sablechicken 4 years ago
im not sure what you mean
thadavid 4 years ago
Sable, since you apparently consider yourself the foremost expert on chickens to the point of if you don't see it then it must not exist, then may I ask you a question?
Do you think it's possible for a chicken to stay alive indefinitely with its head cut off? I think it is.
Ganthan 4 years ago
Ganthan, even "Mike" the headless chicken died. BTW I don't think that his head was cut off, but his face was gone and the brain was still there to a degree.
sablechicken 4 years ago
Well obviously I didn't mean idefinitely as in 'live forever' I just meant still living a reasonably normal chicken lifespan despite the beheading.
The point I'm making is why are you willing to believe in the story of Mike the Headless Chicken? It was before your time so you obviously never saw it yourself. You weren't afraid to immediately discount the possibility of homosexuality in chickens simply because you haven't seen it, so why not this?
Ganthan 4 years ago
What are you trying to prove?
Chickens have surprised me. They have very interesting behaviors. I don't raise chickens for eggs, the eggs are great, but I raise them because I am fascinated by them.
sablechicken 4 years ago
While I appreciate the fact that you actually do research unlike many creationists who cling only to a Bible and tell us to go piss off, you still seem to be in the habit of accepting or denying research based purely on what you want. You immediatelly and with great disgust discounted the possibility of homosexual behavior in chickens not because you simply haven't seen it yourself, but because homosexuality is something you feel compelled to rally against.
Ganthan 4 years ago
It's out of the range of chicken behavior for them to act homosexual. Even if you were to put them under unnatural and stressful conditions, I still would find it highly unlikely. I have seen some odd behaviors, I have even seen a hen crow, because she was raised without any other chickens, her only contact was a short hour visit from a young rooster that crowed for her. But she grew out of that as soon as she was able to live with other chickens.
sablechicken 4 years ago
If you find a rooster mating another rooster because there are NO hens around, and they are in a small cage where they can not get away from each other...what does that prove? is this love? is this behavior drivin by hormones? Their need to mate is so strong that I have seen roosters brake the backs of hens in competition of mateing her, is that love? NO
sablechicken 4 years ago
RexT42 says in his video that animals will carefully consider their partners feelings and would never do anything to hurt their mate...he knows nothing.
sablechicken 4 years ago
The point he made is. You not seeing it happen just doesn't proove bull. Goto the wiki Article and check it again, they've sourced basically every claim made in the article "Homosexuality in animals". Go check it yourself. Besides, theres nothing about chicken in there.
KingKong81257 4 years ago
I've never seen a homo chicken. lmao. Go to KFC
they taste good.
nealbog 4 years ago
One thing that has always bothered me. The central thesis of being a "Christian" is understanding all men are bothers. Even if you believe homosexuality is a sin, shouldn't the central truth override any desire to force others to accept your viewpoint? Shouldn't one strive for tolerance of others? This to me is the real trap, using the bible as justification of not extending basic human rights to a group. We make choices every day, why not choose to make this world a better place?
IGExpandingPanda 4 years ago
do you live on a farm?
rjrrules 4 years ago
jung calls it a complex people dont understand that complexes can have us
cardellacole1 4 years ago
And most animals mate in order to create offspring and not sexual satisfaction, hence can't be gay.
f97912 4 years ago
I meant animals that form a parental unit, like birds.
f97912 4 years ago
youve never seen a dog with his blanket lol
cardellacole1 4 years ago
A person's childhood experiences effect their sexuality. So, in fact being gay could be a product of a childhood experience. But that doesn't make it wrong to be.
f97912 4 years ago
Well, Sablechicken, you got a lot of ideas mixed up in there. A lot to chew on. I love animals, and I definitely see how they can be "forced" to make these "artificial" choices, but since humans are not forced into those "choices", I don't see how you can say it's an animalistic domination thing.
Hermgirl666 4 years ago
Hermgirl666, it seems to me that we are socialized into choosing unhealthy choices.
sablechicken 4 years ago
That's actually a really good way of putting it. However, I must disagree. Also, your opinion on having the freedom to choose as we wish and being socialised into making unhealthy choices don't coincide. It sounds to me as if you think anyone who is not Christian isn't actually thinking and they are just going along with all the crap fed to them by the media. You should know, this isn't true.
seraphinapandora 4 years ago
(cont'd)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying people don't make unhealthy choices because of those around them or the situations they've grown up in, but it's not as simple as you're making it sound. And there are a lot of people who make "healthy" choices even though those around them do not.
seraphinapandora 4 years ago
There are a variety of expressions of human sexuality -- including human heterosexual sexuality -- that go beyond vaginal intercourse. Why does this fact continue to vex believers, at least when the expressions of human sexuality happen to involve two people of the same gender? It's not about what "fits" in what "hole." That's an extraordinarily childish take on human sexuality. If homosexual sex didn't work, so to speak, people would have given up on it along time ago.
ProfMTH 4 years ago
ProfMTH
It seems to me that we want it both ways. You say, "If homosexual sex didn't work, so to speak, people would have given up." which is a choice, others say they have no choice because they are born homosexual.
sablechicken 4 years ago
Well, Sablechicken, you're taking my "so to speak" literally, which misses the point entirely. The fact is homosexuality occurs in nature -- even if it only occurs among human beings. It's natural.
ProfMTH 4 years ago
ProfMTH well you can justify anything with that logic, but GMO's.
sablechicken 4 years ago
"you can justify anything with that logic"
Really? How so?
ProfMTH 4 years ago
Precisely!
Sable's absurd position, taken to its logical conclusion, would dispense with messy, inefficient human intercourse altogether. If the a sexual act is to be judged solely on it's chances of making babies, pippettes are the order of the day, and sexual pleasure is unjustifiable.
Further: this means that if a couple is infertile, sablechicken should recommend that they stop having sex too, since they have no chance of having kids.
bitbutter 4 years ago
Indeed, Bitbutter. It seems that many believers who are so troubled by homosexuality have not taken the time to think through their arguments against it, many of which go just as easily to heterosexuality.
ProfMTH 4 years ago
of course humans have free will and choice.
and a pre-frontal lobe that allows for complex reasoning above that of the animals.
however, whom (what sex) one is *attracted* to is completely independent of that, and not related to free will or choice at all.
why are you afraid of homosexuality? i love God. i love Homosexuals too.
jdjustice72 4 years ago
NOW we are observing homosexuality you say? just now?
it has existed forever. whether forever is 4000 years or a million is up to your perspective. it exists in animals and humans alike.
why is God wrathful? why does He need to be considered so?
sablechicken, i like you. we don't agree on much perhaps, but you have something to say and discuss and you do so in a respectful way.
jdjustice72 4 years ago
Have you ever herd of A-Sexual? God created that too! So, your logic becomes a moot point!
Montagraph 4 years ago
Why is it a moot point. God created all things with their own unique qualities, one size does not fit all. Evolution says that we all came from the same patch of slime, and make stretch of the imagination to compare animal and human behavior in the way they do.
sablechicken 4 years ago
Well if "GOD" created all, the HE bares SOLE responsibility for Homo Sexuality!
Montagraph 4 years ago
nurture NOT nature
silver760 4 years ago
i really think both nature (our biology) and nurture in the formative years are factors.
jdjustice72 4 years ago
Homosexuality is biological, this has been proven scientifically in a number of ways. The reason it wasn't fazed out by evolution is because we humans formed societies that tended to the survival needs of individuals. Watch my vid response to you for more details, and then, having your questions thus answered, stop slandering and oppressing millions of people you've never met please:)
brouhajoe 4 years ago
Oh, and if I'm not mistaken, your bible calls for homosexuals to be stoned to death, so if you are not calling for homosexuals to be stoned to death, then you disagree with your own holy book, so why invoke it at all?
brouhajoe 4 years ago
Jesus had 2 commandments brouhajoe. All the prophets and law hang upon them. Check em out.
Stoning sinners n' such applied to israel for the bringing about of Jesus.
"stop... opprsessing millions..."
-lol "stop voicing your opinion and let me voice mine. Stop trying to change things for what you think is better and only let me have it my way and only if I think it's ok... then lets change things." rofl. C'mon brouhajoe see how crazy that sounds?
SavedTru8 4 years ago
brouhajoe when people like you make in my face comments like the last two that you just made....well it makes me think you will not allow anyone to have choice. You take away my freedom of speech. If you want to worship your golden calf of homosexuality, by all means how would I be able to stop you...you enjoy yourself, get off my channel and STOP FORCING YOUR RELIGION DOWN MY THROAT!
sablechicken 4 years ago
brouhajoe
"stop slandering and oppressing millions of people you've never met please:)"
Give me a break, homosexuals tell us what to wear, how to talk, what to eat, what to buy, what color to paint my bedroom...but they don't have choices? I'm removing your video and blocking you. PLEASE STOP FORCING YOUR BELIEFS ON ME.
sablechicken 4 years ago
You looked as far as Wikipedia, realised that it is inaccurate, and that was it - your research ended there. Pretty slack.
DaisyChainMassacre 4 years ago
Have you ever met a homosexual? I went to 2nd grade with a gay kid that pretended to be Wonder Woman while we all pretended to be Luke Skywalker or the Hulk. He's gay to this day
busymartian 4 years ago
He's not gay...he's just still believeing the lie.
ckrieger36 4 years ago
Uh, actually I have. Countless boys experiment with other boys..does that make them "bi-sexual?" When I was a kid a had a dog that was always humping our legs...is that beastiality?
Homosexuality is NOT a normal human sexual act- regardless of how you want to classify it. At best, it is a mental disorder- the delusion is to think that it is normal.
You have NO EVIDENCE, only speculation that homosexuality is indeed normal. Wishful thinking pal.
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
I don't understand the grief on the subject. Earth's population is 6.6 billion. I don't know what "evolution" would say, but I would guess that homosexuality would be more common among animals prone to over populate, and actually serve to maintain the status quo between population and resources.
If there was a loving God guiding us, I would presume it was his will for us to have love, but not make so many babies.
IGExpandingPanda 4 years ago
You have a really good point. It does say in the Bible that in the last days we would see allot of homosexal behavor in men and women. It's in God's word.
It's all in God's grand design.
The scripture is true.
Jesus is the TRUTH.
sablechicken 4 years ago
Well, with a population of over 6 billion, we better have a few homosexuals. If you believe it's part of God's design, wonderful. From a population control perspective it makes sense.
It's too bad many Christians are simply intolerant, though in Mexico, a very Catholic country, homosexuality seems to be accepted, esp among those from San Fran who move there.
IGExpandingPanda 4 years ago
4. "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead." Acts 17:30-31
Bonigee 4 years ago
3. "A former homosexual who has carried on an effective ministry for five years amoung homosexuals reported, 'I have counseled over three hundred homosexuals and have yet to find one that enjoyed a warm love relationship with his father."We are sinners, who must STOP sinning, start forgiving those who have sinned against us, get back to God with our whole heart, soul, mind & strength.
Bonigee 4 years ago
2. Theres a book called, "The Unhappy Gays" The book makes it clear that homosexuals are "made not born" homosexual. Fathers play a significant role in the raising of children in many areas and a father's actions can be critical in preventing his children from becoming both homosexual or lesbian....
Bonigee 4 years ago
1. The Bible's condemnation of homosexuality is as clear and plain as the Bible's condemnation of murder, adultery, premarital sex, kidnapping, lying and idolatry. It's all sin according to God and If we disagree it's with God. God will never change his standards that is settled.
Bonigee 4 years ago
If people who are born to be heterosexual, but "choose" to be homosexual, what are they basing their choice on? They are going to choose a life style that also includes a higher risk of dying young, of being bullied and beaten most of their lives and thrown out of the house by their parents at 16? Or is it the sodomy? A percentage of heterosexuals practice sodomy. Where does that leave the question?
sinisterresonance 4 years ago
How does evolution explain cystic fibrosis? A genetic lessening of procreative ability does not necessitate an impossibility to spread.
mistawulf 4 years ago
"How does evolution explain cystic fibrosis?"
Indeed: since reproductive success still occurs, evolution has no need to select against either cystic fibrosis or homosexuality.
Desertphile 4 years ago
What's going on in Sodom and Gomorrah? Attempted gang rape, the sin isn't innately homosexuality.
mistawulf 4 years ago
I'm too tired to make much comment, but atheism is neither bravery nor stupidity, it's just honesty - we say what we believe (or, rather, that we don't believe) and that's all.
And yes, we do have a choice - be honest and admit we don't believe, or lie about it.
Will god be fooled by our lies? If not, we're still going to hell, right?
athywren 4 years ago
Blame it on the goat. haha. I always say it's a barking tree spider. PEACE JIM
jimiller7 4 years ago
Sable, always like your video's whether I agree totally or not. Without out getting into a confrontational milieu of whether this (Bible) should be taken literally or relationally or figuratively (Gods word)that is, gluttony is gluttony. That is the crux of the sod/gom story. It was the rebellion/flesh worship/barbarianism that caused its destruction. allegorically it is quite evident, and I feel that it how it should be interpreted.
MrVisions 4 years ago
I like your roosters.
However....I disagree with you regarding choice.
I can see you CARE...but you cannot seem to sympathize or imagine what others feel.
BTW, I am heterosexual... but I did not choose this.
Gimmeabreakman 4 years ago
LOL! Blame the poor helpless goat.
Great message
God Bless You
sjl245 4 years ago
to find out what God thought of homosexuality would best be checked by what God has done. There is homosexual actions in animals... we can't check the Bible for that because the Bible is the word of men interpreting God's word, and putting it in imperfect human language. To get perfection from the bible requires the ability to connect with God and find inspiration beyond the mere words of the Bible... again, to look at God's will in nature. no?
pyrrho314 4 years ago
GREAT video, Sable!! I think the reason people come up with all these "excuses" for gay behavior is because they enjoy their sin and they don't want to have to stop....so they deny the truth, hoping it's it's false. That's what I did! Be blessed, sis!!
ckrieger36 4 years ago
I am not hoping it's false Carolyn, since I aint gay so argument may not quite fit for all people so it can't be used an entire equation. I just don't see things eye to eye with you on this. I do love you and your hubby doh my friend. I just don't understand you Bible Belt folks. Your accent I understand though. Peace!
Doublebug3 4 years ago
I'm a guy. I look at female breasts and butts with lust. If there's a naked woman to be seen, I'm the first to look. I have sex with women any chance I get. Do you think I chose this? Can you choose your feelings? If I was a woman and had the same feelings, your book you call God would damn me to the firey hole. No wonder church attendance is down!
busymartian 4 years ago
You don't have to choose to act on your feelings.
sablechicken 4 years ago
"You don't have to choose to act on your feelings."
You have confused sexual acts with sexuality.
Desertphile 4 years ago
"people come up with all these "excuses" for gay behavior is because they enjoy their sin and they don't want to have to stop"
Why should they stop? Would you have us believe that there is a cruel God who allowed someone to be born with homosexual desires, but isn't allowed to indulge?
IGExpandingPanda 4 years ago
That's just it, no one is born gay. It's a lie, a trap if you will, that we fall into and believe.
ckrieger36 4 years ago
Ok fine, no one is born gay as sexuality is a result of puberty, but it would seem that many are born with the predisposition.
As for this lie... that would only apply if there was a societal push for homosexuality, which there clearly isn't. It takes a lot of courage to admit one is gay in a society which
frowns down on this behaver.
IGExpandingPanda 4 years ago
Ha Ha! Are you living in a bubble? Have you watched any sitcoms or movies lately? Are you aware of how the Public School sector is being controlled by the gay agenda??
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
"Are you aware of how the Public School sector is being controlled by the gay agenda"
Please tell me about the homosexual conspiracy. What do they do, what are their goals?
IGExpandingPanda 4 years ago
Oh yeah, I love your chickens. AND that was a goat,,,,LOL
qswfeh2121 4 years ago
Yea, never thought of that about birds, thats true, my little male birds have female mates, never once seen them after another male bird.
qswfeh2121 4 years ago
"... never once seen them after another male bird."
There is a homosexual rooster here at the ranch, that is funny to watch when he does his mating dance in front of other roosters. The other roosters look.... well, baffled and confused. In the spring I will get him of video tape.
Desertphile 4 years ago
Those are fighting words, i mean dances. LOL
qswfeh2121 4 years ago
"homosexual rooster"
Homosexual roosters do exist. Some try to steal eggs from other hens and hatch them. Hens are not keen on this, so they usually end up sitting on some rocks.
While I don't know how "evolution" explains this, I would guess a hen is more likely to get the axe in the wild than the eggs, and it would be damned helpful to have someone take care of the damned eggs.
IGExpandingPanda 4 years ago
Your little story doesn't sound like homosexuality in rooster to me. Rooster help the hen pick the nesting spot. They all don't do this but many rooster protect the chicks.
sablechicken 4 years ago
"Your little story doesn't sound like homosexuality in rooster to me."
A rooster doing mating dancers in front of other roosters and trying to mount roosters does not sound like homosexuality to you? What, is the rooster in question just nearsighted?
Desertphile 4 years ago
"A rooster doing mating dancers in front of other roosters and trying to mount roosters does not sound like homosexuality to you?"
And the whole stealing of other hens eggs, getting frustrated, and settling for ROCKS.
To me it sounds like the gay rooster behavior would be damned useful in an environment where there are predators, where the male takes over the female role.
IGExpandingPanda 4 years ago
".... where the male takes over the female role."
A few species, such as parthenogenestic lizards, the females *MUST* perform homosexual acts to reproduce.
Desertphile 4 years ago
As for what the gods think about homosexuality, they have never said anything about it.
As for Sodom, their sin was voting Republican Party--- the Bible says so. Homosexuality had nothing to do with it.
Desertphile 4 years ago
You are assuming we have "free will" when you claim we make choices. We should live as if we have "free will" even though science shows for a fact we do not.
As for homosexuality, nobody chooses to be homosexual.
Desertphile 4 years ago
Nice to see the 'ol desertphile still spewing his diarrhea of the mouth... So, how's your romance with the horses?
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
"Nice to see the 'ol desertphile still spewing his diarrhea of the mouth"
I should make a video outing you--- you know, for your other YouTube channel where you play the atheist "shemale" act you used in my channel. Did you really believe I wouldn't find out? Seriously.
Desertphile 4 years ago
Desertphile's vowel movements are regular and well formed.
busymartian 4 years ago
you mean his bowel movements.
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
Haha ha haha- EVERY ONE OF MY CHRISTIAN FRIENDS knew, idiot- The only reason you found out was because I told Neonsolid... And the funny thing was that a load of atheists rushed and subscribed... of course, with the exception of YOU because deep down you are a homophobe.
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
thanks sable!!
jachin41 4 years ago
LOL i grew up on the farm..never seen any roosters humpin on another rooster! ~Peace
beloitrose 4 years ago
Your videos are far deeper than I think most people give you credit for, myself included. Nicely done, Sable. :)
foxmuldr 4 years ago
All I ask is that you allow me to make my choices. If you see my choices as wrong so be it. Please allow me the freedom to choose, as in your world view your God allows you to choose. I will fight to protect your right to choose. Please at least avoid fighting to prevent me my right to choose.
daleshankins 4 years ago
sable, another great video!
JeromeStein4U 4 years ago
Your videos never fail to make me laugh. I've come to expect massive misinterpretation of evolution from you on a regular basis. If you ever say anything on it that's actually true I'd be amazed.
Seriously, I'm trying to help you out here. Maybe my optimism is just masochistic at this point but I honestly believe that anybody can understand evolution because it is such a simple thing.
Ganthan 4 years ago
Hey Sable... there are people that say that because Humans are "related" to the Bonobos species, that pedophilia is normal!! You know, where's the limit?? This is EXACTLY the irrationality of the world-
Homosexuality is REAL- YES, it is a real sinful desire and behavior. It is a sin like any other sin- a sin that goes against the Original Perfection of NATURE.
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
"It is a sin like any other sin- a sin that goes against the Original Perfection of NATURE."
Antibiotics go against the 'perfection' of nature too.
bitbutter 4 years ago
Uh, actually Penicillin was accidentally discovered as a natural bi-product of the bacteria in still water.
And notice how I said "original perfection" which means the Perfection of Nature BEFORE the Fall.
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
"Uh, actually Penicillin was accidentally discovered as a natural bi-product of the bacteria in still water. "
Uh, I thought penicillin was the finished product from discovering the effect of Penicillium on bacteria.
IGExpandingPanda 4 years ago
Uh, is there a need to be so specific? or are you intimidated by the notion that Christians do not have a 'mental disorder' like your god claims? Don't tell me you're one of those PAT Condell Zombies!?!
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
"Uh, is there a need to be so specific?"
Whether it was the bread or the water? Yep, that's the querk in history. The discovery was was an accident, which was BREAD MOLD killing bacteria.
IGExpandingPanda 4 years ago
Well put!
JeromeStein4U 4 years ago
Sable- I believe in "INTER-SPECIES" SEXUALITY!! I've seen plenty of dogs humping on people, therefore beastiality MUST be normal! LOL
Great video Sable- Im buying a house with a couple of acres...can't wait till we move in- I need some advice on raising chickens in the winter though...
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
Sable, your videos are moving up and up and up in quality and power for God's kingdom...thank you for the courage to step out there with such truth.. God bless you and know that we love you and are standing with you.
Yokeup 4 years ago
Homosexuality is apparent and well-documented in hundreds of species of animals. I do not know about chickens specifically, but I don't see any reason why they can't be gay.
The evidence that animals can be homosexual, not acting out "dominance behaviour" is blowing holes in all the arguments that homosexuality in humans is a choice. A lot of the information about homosexual animals is supressed, unfortunately.
Doublebug3 4 years ago
Birds don't just form monogomous heterosexual mated pairs. There's documentation of some birds forming mate-bonds with birds of other species; documentation of birds forming single-sex groups much less pairs; and documentation of birds forming multi-sex groups. It all depends on what they're doing looking for companionship, looking for safety or looking to raise a mess of babies.
Doublebug3 4 years ago
I was raised on a farm and I never seen a gay chicken either.
Doublebug3 4 years ago
I was raised in the country too... Once I saw a rooster hump on a puppy we used to have! Seriously!! Again, is THAT evidence of INTER-SPECIES SEX? On Liveleak there is a video of a horse trying to hump on this guy...
My point is- ANIMALS do not have the rational of human beings. When they want to "do it" they just "do it...
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
My dog "loves on" her pillow.
Yes, HER pillow!
justchemicals 4 years ago
LOL- A clear, scientifically documented evidence of how "anything goes" when it comes to sex!!
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
Indeed. She's at it right now!
I think what people fail to understand is that the human race would "race" to the "finish line" (extinction) if we all decided to be gay in the morning.
Hey Byz- Got an over/under for that?
justchemicals 4 years ago
Ha Ha... over/under??? Do you mean a "reach-around?" LOL
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
I don't think anyone fails to understand that. Can you explain why you seem to think that the extinction of the human race would be a bad thing?
bitbutter 4 years ago
You know I agree to disagree and lose no respect for you in the process though sable.
Doublebug3 4 years ago
DB- I have to disagree with you...Evidence in the animal kingdom??
Let me ask you this- Have you ever had a dog hump on your leg? Millions of Human beings have had dogs hump on them, is that "evidence" of INTER-SPECIES sex?
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
"Let me ask you this- Have you ever had a dog hump on your leg? Millions of Human beings have had dogs hump on them, is that "evidence" of INTER-SPECIES sex?"
It's evidence of attempted inter-species sex. Sure.
bitbutter 4 years ago
Bha ha ha ha ha ha hah ah a.... It's evidence that animals don't think before they hump! To "attempt" something denotes thinking-
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
Apologies in advance i'm mischaracterising what you're saying but you _seem_ to be saying that the fact that animals aren't concerned whether or not what they're doing is inter-species sex, means it's not really inter-species sex. That's a non sequitur.
bitbutter 4 years ago
Friend, I respect people's ability to reason so therefore I respect your attempt to construct an argument based on your world-view. As did you, I learned a long time ago that a "valid and reasonable argument" does not necessarily mean that it is truth or even correct. What I see in the atheist community is the lack of at least, recognizing that some of the Christian arguments are "reasonable."
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
that is true Byzantine that many atheists are unable to recognize a reasonable argument from a Christian but the shoe fits on the other foot with that argument. Any argument I can think of about motivations and behavior that the atheists fall into the Christian does the same behavior and doesnt even take notice.
Doublebug3 4 years ago
Right- So we can agree then that for the most part "reasonable arguments" are based on POV's rather than on absolute truths- so therefore, whether Christian or Atheist, we must refrain from calling each other's views "absolutely fallacious" and so on.
Kudos friend.
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
Agreed Byzantine my friend.
Doublebug3 4 years ago
For example, I recently said: "To attempt something denotes thinking." Perhaps I should've said "requires?" In any case, what Im saying is that I've made what seems to me to be a reasonable propositional statement, based on a series of experiential and teleological arguments- yet you havent even recognized it., at lease as a "possibility."
ByzantineChristian 4 years ago
"It's evidence that animals don't think before they hump!"
For the sake of the discussion let's accept what you seem to be suggesting; P1. Non-human animals don't generally think before doing things.
"To attempt something denotes/requires thinking."
Unless you have a extremely unusual understanding of 'attempt' this is clearly false in light of P1. Or are are you seriously suggesting that it's incorrect to say that a spider attempts to catch a fly?
bitbutter 4 years ago
Ok, quite a powerful video. Clearly honest. ... ... ... ... ... *thinking* ... ... ... I can't really respond. ... ... ... ... Why does the christian want to change the non-christian? ... ... ... ... I as a skeptic I do not want or expect to change christians, but I do want them to understand. ... I am very sure I understand "christians". I'm starting to come to the opinion that the understanding I imagine is not going to happen.
Danmill23 4 years ago
Yoke up is never going to achieve what I mean by understanding. He recently, repeatedly articulated what many christians have said and I guess thought. His belief is so strong that he cannot imagine how someone could not believe! So he says "atheists" are basically not being honest because they all know that god exists. He is not the first to say this.
Danmill23 4 years ago
Sable you have more brains than Yokeup. (that's my way of insulting yokeup without you noticing) You are smart enough to turn that argument around and see it is both insulting, insencitive and comes from arrogant ignorance. So for me ...
Danmill23 4 years ago
Yokeup=Lucaslabrador=Itsaboutjesus=Preacher189
Danmill23 4 years ago
All of the above are honest christians I suppose. The thing is they say it loud, proud and Extreme! Honest and true Extreme. Too bad so sad Extreme! I am right, Extreme! You are wrong Extreme! I live Extreme! You die Extreme! Fuck you Extreme! I love you Extreme!
Danmill23 4 years ago
Why does the christian want to change the non-christian?
What choices do you have Sable?
Danmill23 4 years ago
Dude... was that an actual cock crowing twice in the video right after you mentioned it? Or did you add that :)
frl287 4 years ago
Wikipedia is not really a valid source, no.
frl287 4 years ago
I am a male.
I like females.
Sablechicken is a female.
I like Sablechicken.
I have...
ok ok.. lol nm I'm joking.
Anyway...cute video, Sablechicken. I loved the beginning :)
shiningcross 4 years ago