yeah well thats not what the quran teaches so if there bible is wrong then what makes your bible real? Explain now with a lot of detail do not just say something smart ass
We will never know if Heaven or Hell is Real until we die ! Maybe god isint real maybe he is ! Who knows nobody. Opinions are opinions and u have the right to believe in anything . and when u die and u find out heaven isint real there's no way u can tell anybody it's not real. So for now u can believe any. Even if it ain't true ! God has to be a women thou, since he created us and gave birth and womens bring life to earth so he was to be a SHE !
@YouToob200 Hey, you talk like you already know that it isn't real. So how are you any different when it comes to judging someone else's beliefs as false because "you" don't know for sure?
But if you'd listen to anything us Christians are saying and what the Bible says, you'd realize that we (Christians) and Jesus are saying that "you" can know without any doubt that God is real and you have received forgiveness and eternal life. Google: John 10:4-11,25-30
The deceitfulness of sin. You just dont even know youre in hell intil you come to Christ. Everything seemed so rosey. Did what I want, anytime I want. But oh dear little did I know I was headed straight to hell with no stop sign! Thank oh my Father for giving me your Son. Thank you for raising him from dead for me and giving me hope! I was very lost!
"Dear Child, You are my offspring. Nothing will ever separate you from my love. I will always comfort you. Unless you don't believe me, or you're gay, or you voted for Obama, in which case I will torture you for ever and ever in the torture chamber I made. You know I'll do it, too. I already tortured and mutilated and killed and abandoned my only REAL son. Trust me. Your loving Father, God."
@Imaginefree69 He needed to die to set us free from the chains that the devil had on people! Thank God he died , but lets not forget Jesus Christ rose from the GRAVE!
When you find some evidence of Jesus rising from the dead,
please be sure and share it with us.
Meanwhile rational adults will put it with the rest of the Bible stories about unicorns and talking animals and a prince on a white horse carrying you off to live happily ever after in his mansion in the sky.
@Imaginefree69 Youre wrong! God never abandoned Jesus. He abandoned SIN! if that were not so Jesus would have stayed dead , if that happenned there would be NO hope for us! We would stay dead in our sins, because it is sin that seperates us from GOD. NOW because Jesus has come into this world and has convicted us of sin we need to turn to him to forgive us. Turn away from Sin for the god of this age has already been judged! He is the liar from the beginning!
What a merciful god to leave absolutely no empirical evidence of his existence and then punish his own creations for being skeptical. Sounds like a swell guy.
@HBanana55 God IS merciful. If you only knew?! Thats the problem you cant see. You just cant see! 2 Corinthians 4:4 ...for the god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers... I pray that the God of the Heavens and Earth will show you his truth and his LOVE.
@HBanana55 Up to you. You can explain this to God when you see him. Im just the messenger! Believe God at your own will or believe the false alien invasion when that happens.. lol, you dont know about that now do you!
The devils and his demons are liars! They were born here!.....and they mingled their seed with the seed of man...Jesus came to destory the works of the flesh (and the devils works) ...(where they happily live) to bring you LIFE by the Spirit. Feeling uncomfortable....Hey! Thats not you! You better wake UP!
@velvetnotes009 Lol, you're totally right. God does exist... Now that I'm a believer, I do admit that I will miss the taste of tender baby flesh... but thats ok, I'm sure the body of Christ is more filling nom nom nom nom
yeh thts right run away cause you lost the argument as you have no evidence. saying "magic man done it" doesnt get the human race anywere and the sooner the population realises that the better. have fun wasting your life
@maskofgrief wait please tell me you are not building a BUNKER for 2012 ? buddy go get a bible the bible was written way before any scientist started talking about evolution .. the bible does NOT change , but scientist views DO change !!!!!! and by the way kid God Bless you !
no evidence for anything that religion holds to it and as i am a rational person i wont belive in things that hold no evidence
ultimately religion slows down the progress of science and mankind which has brought us prosperity and out of the religious dark age. it because of science that im talking to you now. not religion as religion has brought very little that is for the good of mankind into the world
ok you know what , you could believe what you want ! no one will force you to believe in anything , but i want to tell you that many stuff that the Bible says have happened and are happening !!!! for example earthquakes !!!!! ANY christian youtuber would agree with me
17For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. Christ the Wisdom and Power of God 18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto the least of my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Matthew 25:40.
I'll pray for you to open your heart to Christ's love. I hope you accept him as your savior. Most importantly I will pray you will some day start heeding his instructions. I shudder to think who has been listening to your prayers. Lucifer may be as vain as you describe God, Christ is not.
I was really starting to like your videos, but then this. In an earlier video you said you weren't worried about going to heaven and finding out another religion was right, as you would then accept that faith and be saved. But anyone who doesn't believe in Christ goes to hell. Do you realize you have portrayed the other gods as more loving than your vision of Christ? I would really appreciate an answer to this. Have your views changed? Are you saying your God is the pettiest of them all?
Wow.. I am speechless that even in the 21st century people remain this ignorant. As ignorant as you. That's all I have to say. Open your fucking mind.
LOL your funny Its people like you who hate on other religions and tell them that they are WRONG that mess this world up. Jesus may have existed (still no real physical proof) but god (yes in lowercase) deffinitly dosnt go to school learn physics and quantum mechanics they you will see the "light" lol
First, they ARE wrong, second, its not us that mess this world up, the world has been messed up since creation ( I know you don't believe in that stuff ) by something called "sin". we christians actually preach the " good news" to people like you and other lost people that they don't have to continue in sin. I was once ( and I said this a bunch of times ) athiest myself, not because of being condemed or an of that religious stuff, but because I could find no "physical
proof" that he existed untill I actually thought about evolution and how it works ( yes, I know about physics and quantum mechanics ). theres just so many flaws and assumptions that its actually a leap of faith ( yeah, I know that believing in GOD is a faith ). GOD didn't need to go to school to learn about the things that he made ( like telling Edision how to make a light bulb ). The day is comin' when all ( including you and me ) will bow to
JESUS and say that he is LORD ( I know you will laugh 'bout that fact ). Its really hard to believe that a Bowling ball exist above your head untill it hits you, then its real easy to believe. If someone where to tell to tell you that a bowling ball was about to hit you, you would move 5ft. in any direction, wouldn't you? In the same way you need to accept JESUS into your life BEFORE its to late, because you won't have the
chance to afterwards. Its you choice, you can move 5ft" to a direction believing that what I said was true, or you can stay in the same place like if I was the boy who cryed wolf and get hit with that 25lb hunk of mass thinking that it wheren't there. think about this, If you win, you win all, if you lose, you lose nothing. if you win, you win nothing, if you lose, you lose all.
If someone told me that a bowling ball was about to hit me, I'd have no reason to believe him. I can look up or reach up and see that there is nothing there, but you would still insist that there is a bowling ball above my head. It's the same when someone tells me that God exists. There is no evidence.
(Why is evolution important here? Rejecting the theory is no proof of God's existence.)
Actually, I was giving a parable ot get my point across, but for you let use another parable. Let's say that ( for some reason )
a sniper is targeting you and he has you in his sights ( he's somewhere where you can't see him ) and I know where he is not because I see him, but that he shot at me to and i successfully dodged it because someone else told me that he was targeting me. Then I told you that hes targeting you and you look around and see no one around and you say " he's
I can see no danger" then the sniper fires and you're dead, however if he ducked, even though you can't see the danger, you will not be hit and then you will a loud clang in the distance from the bullet the would of hit you if you hadn't ducked. as for proof that all non-Christians are wrong, look up John 14:6 ( if you have a Bible ). Think about this, if you are saved, and you are right about GOD's existance ( I already know god exist, but I'm talking
in your terms ) you win all, but if you are wrong about GOD's existance ( I already know you believe GOD doesn't exist, but stay with me here ) you don't lose a thing,
even though you don't really win anything.
But if you aren't saved and there turns out to be a GOD, your in some serious trouble, but if are right about there being no GOD, you don't lose a thing,
but you don't really win anything either. we all have to die someday, are you
willing to go through that door with your beliefs? I know I am because I'm saved by the blood of JESUS CHRIST ( I already know your going to laugh "bout that ).
No, I didn't laugh about what you said, I respect your belief and opinions.
I know you had used that parable to get your point across, it was just convenient for me to get my point across as well. If you warned me about a sniper, the probability that I'll believe you and duck will be higher than with the bowling ball. The difference between these two situations is that I know that snipers are usually someplace where they can't be seen and shoot people, while bowling balls can be seen and
are not usually floating above people's heads. God resembles more the metaphorical bowling ball, that is something not only improbable, but quite likely also contradicting the laws of logic/physics.
The Bible makes claims about God, but it cannot be used as a proof, until God and the claims about him are proved by some other means. (We can't say the Bible is the word of God, because the Bible says so, that's no argument.)
The consequences of me (not) believing in God are not relevant at this point. I seek the truth in the first place, not protection from possible consequences of my (non) belief. That I might win or lose something is not a sufficient reason for me to start believing. Actually, I think it would be pretty dishonest of me if I did. If someone gives me evidence of God's existence, I'll believe. Until then, his existence is improbable. If I believed in him contrary to this conclusion, the thing
(BTW what exactly would I win and what trouble would I be in?)
What I believe is based on logic and facts, so yes, I'm willing to go through that door with my beliefs, even with my knowledge of the possibility that I might be wrong.
First, I'll start with what you said about "what trouble would I be in". Well, If one where to die without christ,in their sins, they would have to pay for those sins( that's a portion of the gospel, but I'll explain that later ). if you want proof of GOD, well look around you, everything around you was made by GOD. Oviously, a building has a builder ( I not talking about stuff like computers or furniture or anything like that, but the matter and energy which their made up of ), ofcoarse when
people hear this, they say "well who created GOD?". This is like saying that GOD is of the very time that he created, because GOD created everything ( the space- time continum, laws of physics,
speed of light, what we call quantum physics, etc. because, for instance,
for a computer to work you need to have the program in order for the computer to work the way it should ) we humans are "of time" if you can understand it, GOD is of "eternity" which is hard for some people to understand because we where made to function in this universe.
GOD looks at the timeline like we would
look at a metre stick, which has a beginning and a end, but GOD has no beginning and no end because he is the beginning and end( I'm guessing hard for you to )
understand, well, its hard for me too, but, stay with me ). also, the Bible says that GOD is the highest power, no other, but the statement "who created GOD" says that there is a higher power. This statement basicly says that GOD has to be in logic with the rest of the universe ( which he created ). If you want more proof, then maybe you should look at the numberous prophices being fullfilled today, or, you can go to south arabia and see the
alter erected by the israelites to celebrate a egyption god ( explain in the book of exodus ), if that is, you can get past the guards. the point is that theres plenty of evidence on the earth to prove ( including the universe itself ) that GOD exist plus the flaws in the theory of evolution, but,if you say that GOD doesn't exist, you might as well be saying " this house has no builder, it just came out of nowhere or it evolved out o
I have no problem with acknowledging that a building has a builder. I can see how buildings are built and I can see their builders. Sure, I can see the world around me, but I don't see its creator or how it was created. In fact, I have no reason to think it was really created. Comparing it to a man-made thing doesn't help. We can recognize products made by humans only because we already know these products and how they are created. I understand, why some people believe the universe
had to be created, because something cannot originate from nothing, but I can't agree with that position. I also know that it's said that God is independent of the space-time continuum and thus not subject to time and causality. You said that if I say God doesn't exists, I might be as well saying "this house came out of nowhere or it evolved out of nothing". I might not. I don't believe in a creator, I also don't believe that the universe originated from nothing. From
my point of view, the universe (or the space-time continuum) is everything that exists. Questions like from what or how the existence came into existence make no sense, since causality works only inside the space-time continuum, therefore, there's no need for God as an explanation.
How many of these fullfilments of numerous prophecies have been truly verified? If someone disproves the theory of evolution, I'll reject it and the origin of species on our planet will become one of those things we
know nothing about. There are plenty of things we don't understand, but I really don't know about anything on Earth or in the entire universe that would point to the existence of God.
How much evidence, until I acknowledge that creation actually is a creation? I like lots of evidence, but any reliable evidence would be good for starters. The fact that I might be afraid of the bullet won't make more evidence appear.
As for the space-time continuum, I didn't say that causality works INSIDE the space-time continuum, I said its one of the things that GOD put into the " program" of the universe, if you catch my drift. Thomas ( yes, I'm talking 'bout something from the bible ) said "I will not believe that he ( JESUS ) rose from the dead untill I see and touch the nailmarks in his hands, and place my hand in his side, I will not believe ( John 20:25 ). Ofcoarse, he
was talking 'bout jesus resurrection, not about where or not he existed, is still applies here with you, and I by no means am being judgement when I say that you seem to me like a Thomas. I can't help you anymore in terms of physical proof and stuff like that, I can only tell you the gospel of JESUS CHRIST, but for that you might as well look at jesusfreek777"s
Yes, I think I understand what you said about God and the universe. However, causality (the relationship between a cause and its effect) usually requires time and since time exists only inside the space-time continuum, I concluded that causality can also exist only inside the space-time continuum. That's why I believe it doesn't make sense to look for explanations of the universe or some phenomena in the universe (like the origin of life and species or some physical
You can say I'm like Thomas, I don't mind that comparison. Thomas wanted what any scientist would want, evidence, something that can be seen, touched or measured - something objective. I'm not a scientist but this is basically the only way people can acquire knowledge. To trust what others say is often not enough.
Although it's interesting to read the Bible or listen to people who tell the gospel, unless and until the existence of God is proved without
using the Bible, it's only studying something hypothetical. (I've already seen some of jezuzfreek777's videos, I'll watch DarrellMyatt1963's, too. I've also seen some videos on The Way Of The Master and I don't like them, not because I disagree with them, but because they seem to be trying to twist the facts and logic to get their point across, that's not a fair approach.)
I don't know if you'll agree with me, but the searching is really important, not the outcome. Thanks for your reply :-)
Thanks, you seem like a nice guy, not like these others that down-right hate GOD. And I do agree 'bout what you said 'bout way of the master, I just wanted you to hear the gospel in the simplest terms, not really the explanations
for cosmic event like for instance, the big bang where they said that a big explosion
doesn't create beautifut things like galaxys, then they compared the big bang to a terrorest bomb, or something ( just look that up ) But for Thomas, I don't blame him either, but,
if he believed before he'd seen JESUS, he would have been right about him when JESUS came to him later because
putting ypur faith and trust in him is not really much of a gamble.If the athiest are right, then when you die, It would be like turning off a TV, then ofcoarse you wouldn't care about the truth, because you would be DEAD! haha, but really, if you died with JESUS and there turned out to be a GOD, then you"ve made the safest bet in existance ( I know you don't wanna
place a bet based on the existance of hell, but, like it or not I know there is one if the christians are right ). I would talk to
DarrellMyatt1963, he's a nice guy, he'll help you a little bit. ( and I know that you are looking for the truth, not a bet., but think about it, if you'd die today, would you care 'bout the truth then? no, because you'd already know, right? nobody knows
athiests believe that when you die, its like turning off a TV, so, no big deal if there right ( I allready know there wrong ), but , if the christians are right, then the person who didn't put their trust the only son of GOD is gonna get a very rude awaking.) I don't want this for anyone, God is not willing that any should perish, but that all come to repentance. The christians have pretty much got it made, even if we miss out on the
sex, the wealth the power, or any of that worldly stuff or even the actual truth ( I already know that there is no other ), if we are right, then, we've got it made in the shade. something to think about.
Thanks. That's true, I don't hate God (or more precisely the idea of God, since I don't believe he exists in reality). Maybe I'll talk to DarrellMyat1963 later, it might be interesting. You are also completely right that I want the truth, not a bet. I understand what you're trying to say, but safe bets really don't matter here. If I don't believe (for whatever reasons) and therefore go to hell, that's bad for me, but look at it from my point of view. I have absolutely no evidence that hell
exists, but I decide to believe in God, just to be on the safe side (I don't know how would I do that and even if I knew, I would never deceive myself intentionally like that, so this is really hypothetical). What was my motivation? Irrational fear, nothing else. And that is not something I willingly act on. Yes,I could be wrong and God and hell might be real, but that will change nothing about the situation. First, God would have to be proven, so I could at least acknowledge his existence. Then
that he has the attributes Christians ascribe to him would have to be proven and that he wants us to behave in a certain way, so I could consider it and decide whether I'll obey the rules or not. Evidence is crucial in this decision-making process. If the evidence was obvious, I and many other people would start to believe long ago. The Pascal's wager (the bet that God is real) you are using doesn't work, it's not a logical way of
making decisions. Until God's existence is proven, hell, sin, etc. are great topics for discussions, but such discussions have little (if anything at all) to do with proving God's existence.
You said you know that atheists are wrong, which implies that you are absolutely sure about that. Why?
Because I had ( and still do have ) faith in the one begotten son of GOD. he has ( the holy spirit ) revealed many things to me ( confused? well, I 'll explain later ). About that "Irrational fear", well, that actually a good and healthy fear that causes one to make the right choice, and when you said "If the evidence was obvious, I and many other people would start to believe long ago" there was evidence long ago, JESUS rose from the dead, and a lot of people saw him ( including
thomas ), this is what started the first churches ( A chruch isn't actually a building, is a "coming together of believers ), and if you ever heard the story about Paul, you'll know he never saw JESUS raised from the dead and also, he persucuted the early church and killed many christians, but then on the road to Damascus, JESUS appeard to him and said " Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?" ( Paul was called saul back then, but changed his name slightly ) and then
changed his ways because he had the proof he needed to believe he is the son of GOD and helped the early church and wrote half of the new testement ( in the form of letters to the early churches ),
he even went to his death for GOD who he could not see with his own eyes, and could not prove to the guards that beheaded him. As I said to drumstx2010,
just because you can't see iit, does not mean its not there ( ofcoarse, I was using a analogy to get that point across
talking to erickeVolved, Ofcoarse you can hear radio waves through a radio, but I was talking about with your own EYES ).
Its your choice, I can't prove GOD more than that, and the choice is pretty black and white, choose GOD, or reject him.
I REALLY hope that you make the right choice, because I care about your soul, not because I'm out to prove you wrong or anything. Oh, about the Holy spirit, he's something that GOD gives you when you are born again ( which is not baptisem )
You said that you have the faith, that something has been revealed to you, and that may be enough for you. That's ok, but isn't that still only personal experience and not a knowledge that can be gained by some objective means?
Fear is not irrational when there is some real danger. Since I've already said I have no evidence of any danger (hell), the only fear I might feel would be irrational. (btw, even fear felt in dangerous situations often doesn't lead to the right decisions) By long ago I
meant years ago, not thousands of years before I was born. How could I possibly verify what actually happened two thousands of years ago? I can't talk to the people who had witnessed what happened, about many of them I can't even be sure that they really existed... Even if I believed that the Bible contains reliable information (which I cannot assume), how will I find the right way to interpret what it says?
Yes, you're right, the lack of evidence of something does not prove that the something
doesn't exist. However, we can say that there are many things we can't prove (on what basis do we claim that they exist, then?), but that doesn't tell us what particular things are we talking about, i.e. it tells us nothing.
Currently, I reject the idea of God as superfluous and extremely improbable. I'll reassess that decision again as soon as I get some new information regarding this. It's nice of you to care about my soul (though I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "soul").
I'll be praying for you friend :-) Oh, if you wanna know what a soul is, its basicly you without the body ( that is, the flesh, the physical part ). I hoped I helped you a little in your search for GOD.
They don't want the lifestyle changes, at all. Think about it, would you want a being you can't even phyically see with your own eyes to say what you can do and what you cannot do?
Look at the comments on this guys videos, they don't sound too happy, do they? People wish to fulfill the appetite of their flesh, they go to strip clubs, they almost always want to get laid, they drink, they smoke weed, dope, etc. and when somebody comes at them with the Gospel, the get hostile. Think about smokers,
lets say that their docter told them that they had to stop smoking or their going to die. No smoker wants to give up their " death sticks ", but let say that some else says that that doctor is a quack, nut, etc.,
would they continue to repent of their smoking when someone else tells them that they don't have to? Pobably not. This is why people go to extreme lengths, from agnoring the flaws in the theory in evolution, to going as far as worshiping satan as there god.
I understand what you mean. But this is unfair. I'm not denying that there are many atheists, who only wish to fulfil the "appetite of their flesh" and therefore get hostile when someone tries to tell them they should change that. In my opinion, this has little to do with religion. There are logical reasons not to act like these people do, if the only reasons were religious, all atheists would probably behave like you described. And that's definitely not the case. If you are right and this is
really the most common reason why people refuse Jesus, it would mean that the people are either confused or stupid. Or both. I hope that's not true. "would you want a being you can't even phyically see with your own eyes to say what you can do and what you cannot do?" No, I wouldn't. To be honest, I don't want anyone to tell me what I can and can't do. If an authority tells you what you can or cannot do (the law, parents, teachers or God, it doesn't matter), it's always you, who decides whether
to follow the rule or not anyway, right? But it is premature to ask if people would like to have the rules set by God (unless they already believe in his existence). The problem is, as you said, we can't see God. First, I need to know that there is God, after that I can actually decide, if I want to accept his rules. If I believed God exists, the fact that I can't see him wouldn't be important for the decision.
Well, its the most common reason, not the only reason. Your reasons are, I think, different. I think your an agnostic, looking for the absolute truth and keeping your mind open for new ideas.
I think I understand this , I think your trying
to find the meaning of life (thats why I sent you that video if it reached you). I was just throwing a piece of knowledge out there for you to aid you in your search for the abolute truth, as for me, I found it, I'm just trying to help you find it too.
Yeah, I know, thanks for that. Well, I'm certainly looking for the truth and I like to think about various ideas. I don't know about the meaning of life, I guess I don't believe it exists objectively.
If that is really the most common reason, that's bad, I'd suppose it would be the lack of evidence or conviction that we can obiously set our own rules, so we don't need God.
You are so close minded it hurts. You are desensitized by the religion that you believe in that you don't consider the fact that there is no logic behind what you are saying. You say that people who don't believe in the same thing that you believe in will go to hell. You are trying to convert them to be like YOU. Sadly though, there are definitely enough people on this world like you. Religion is something that you should keep to yourself. Everyone else's beliefs are none of your business.
Jezuzfreek, I've been watching your vids for a while now. You remind me so much of myself, not too long ago. I was a sold out, born again, spirit filled believer. The key word there is 'was.' I found out through study and the cold realities of life, that Christianity is a lie. I don't expect to change your mind on anything. I know from experiece that that is not possible. People only change when they are ready to change. Anyway, glad I found your channel. Later.
I knew the Lord in the same way that I knew Santa Clause when I was 4. I was sure, without a shadow of a doubt that he existed, and would bring me presents if I sincerely asked him. Then one day I caught my Grandpa sneaking the presents under the tree in the middle of the night. When reality conflicted with my belief in Santa, I let reality win. It's the same with God.
you just thought he existed. We all have to face the cold realitys of life, I have too on almost a daily basis, and so did the people that lived thousands of years ago.
Just because you can't see him it doesn't mean that he isn't there, you don't see radio waves yet their there, nor did you see the past from textbooks on dinosaurs ( not saying there whern't dinosaurs) but you have "faith" that what they said happened
Those parallels are fallacies. No you can't see radio waves, but we can physically measure them and they have physical properties. We know they exist when the radio plays music; it comes from radio waves. Can you physically measure god? Also, we know what happened it textbooks is real because, once again, we have physical evidence. That battle happened, and we have cannonballs from it and the bones are buried on the battlefield. It's all about physical evidence.
We do have physical evidence of GOD as we do for battles from textbooks. I would tell you but more than likely, you'll try and find a excuse to rule it out because people will always try to find a way to get rid of GOD because the idea of a GOD that created the universe sounds so obsurd that it can't possibly be scientific,
That and people don't wanna obey something that tells them to do this and not do that. There is great proof of GOD existence, but people go to great lengths to disprove GOD.
Look the bottom line is, people should not try to change other people's beliefs. I'm not trying to change your beliefs, I'm simply questioning your argument for the existence of god by comparing he/she/it to radio waves and textbooks. It's fine if you believe that and you're going to keep believing that as long as you want, you just need to have a better argument. That being said, I would love to hear what this physical evidence of god is that you're talking about.
The greatest proof that GOD exist is the universe. saying that it came out of nothing is like saying that a fine car appeared out of nowhere, you just can't get something from nothing. And while casuality is a part of the universe not the other way around, so is Probability, then your back to square one. Also you can't get a life by chance ethier, its like the difference of a beach and something written on it. The beach itself is plain but whats written on it is of intellegent design.
K the first part made sense so Ill respond to that. First of all, nobodys saying the universe appeared out of nowhere, were saying we dont know how it came to be but that an answer is certainly possible through furthur scientific study and empirical observation. If youre going to play that card though, where did god come from? did he/she/it appear out of nowhere? how do you know? There is still no physical method of measuring that the universe was created by an intelligent being. Moving on,
The Question of where GOD came from can simply answered by looking off into space and asking " does space have an end?". Space has no beginning or end just like GOD has no beginning or end.
When you try to approach GOD on the logic and reason that only works in this universe, you'll be stomped everytime
Hm. funny thing, when I asked that question the answer told me nothing about the origins of god. Once again, youre expressing a fallacy in argument. It is NOT a fact that space has no beginning or end, nor is there a to prove that yet; same goes for god. Besides, you just equated god to space, saying they go by the same principles, which directly counters your previous argument that god is not like the universe in origin... so make up your mind. You also stated that there is physical evidence
i was being metaforical, and I never tryed to equat GOD with space, I was trying to help you understand something about GOD. What I'm trying to get across is that the laws that govern the universe don't govern GOD. GOD made those laws ( including time ), so if we try to approach GOD on the logic we understand, we won't understand, understand?
of god, yet now you say that one cannot approach god with logic and reason, as you claimed you could do. when you dont approach these topics with logic, reason, and a good argument, you'll be stomped every time. Once again, im not trying to change your beliefs, but if youre going to argue them you need, well, a solid argument. Youre going to war without so much as a sword.
I assume by "casuality" (not a word btw) you mean entropy. If thats the case, the second law of thermodynamics states that the universe tends towards entropy (once again, scientifically proven). Im not entirely sure what youre saying about probability so feel free to clarify that, and no you don't get a life by chance, it happens when your parents get down and dirty. No idea what youre saying about beaches but if god writes on a beach id like to see it.
So if were talking cause & effect then, the law states essentially there are laws by which the occurrence of an entity B depends on the occurrence of an entity A, where the word entity means any physical object, phenomenon, situation, or event. A is called the cause, B the effect.
So by that definition, what was the cause, A, by which the entity god, B, came to be?
I wasn't talking about GOD writing on a beach, I was talking about tha difference between the beach itself and the writing one might make in the sand, like S.O.S. or HELP!. The beach itself is barren looking ( besides the water ) and flat at short range and not by intelligent design, but the writing is by intelligent design ( because somebody wrote it ). When I was talking about tlife, I was talking about where the cell came from. think about it before you write back.
I know, I was just joking :P But I fail to see how your metaphor of the beach at all helps to prove your point of evidence of a god, which was the premise for this whole debate. All it does is further your beliefs with a vague and unrelated simile. As for the subject of life, we know where the cell comes from. We have seen it happen under microscopes. Sperm + egg = cell. Furthermore, we know where the sperm and egg cells come from and how they form.
The metafor of the beach was for evolution vs. intelligent design. As for the cell, I wasn't talking about sex, I was talking about what happened billion of years ago ( no, I don't beleve in evolution ). If you wanna be born again, I can tell you how to do that.
I understand the analogy, but it still does absolutely nothing for your argument. Its still a vague metaphor that doesnt help prove your side at all. As for evolution, you do realize that we can and have physically observed evolution in natural environments today right? In bacteria, viruses, and even on the galapagos islands. Evolution is a fact and there is empirical data to support it. Every time you get your flu shot, know that evolutionary theory helped create the vaccine.
not to allow a species to turn into another. Have you ever heard of the so called " missing link"? Have you ever seen a species of bacteria turn, even at a slow pace, into another species through evolution? Have we ever been able to artifically create a cell or bacteria or some other form of life in a test tube?
While its still not bacterial level, its close and we get closer every day. Its certainly a level of physical evidence that cannot be matched by religion.
As for the WHOLE gospel of John, its just a book written by John, a normal human being. Actually many theistic scholars dont even believe that John really even
met Jesus or witnessed his life. Writing something does not make it so. For all we know John was just writing down what he thought was a good story. Its like taking harry potter and proclaiming it a holy document. But thats all beside the point and this argument is way off topic. The bottom line is that you still have yet to provide physical evidence of god and therefore do not reserve the right to criticize atheistic belief. this is why everyone just needs to keep their religion to themselves.
I was once a athiest myself and had the same disbeliefs myself, But I realized that if evolution was the way life came to be ( you said it yourself, evolution is just a theory ) you still need GOD in the equation for the existence of the universe.
Hey, read the article: "Darwin's Theory Of Evolution - A Theory in Crisis" .
I was once religious myself and also believed what I was told. The only difference between you and I is that we chose different paradigms somewhere along the line because we evaluated the world around us and the evidence presented and came to different conclusions. That does not make either of us a better person or more legitimate as a human being. The principles of secular lifestyle say that you need to question what is fed to you but not let your results determine your judgment of the worth of
other people. You came to your conclusions and I came to mine and that doesnt give you the right to make statements about other peoples lives (im talking about the original comment that you replied to) nor should he have made comments about anyone elses life. But if you do begin an argument like that you need to have enough evidence and a good argument to stand your case without denigrating others. Thats all this is about and this whole argument is the reason why religion should be kept private
Nobody really likes the gospel of JESUS CHRIST, but then again, nobody likes to go though surgery even though it may be necessary to continue living. If a blind man was walking though the street thinking that the street is clear when really its not, and someone sees the dangerous situation that man is putting himself into, wouldn't he try to save him or at least tell him of the dangers he is in so he will realize and do something about it? Unless he doesn't
care about that man and his safety, he would. The truth is, JESUS is lord, he died for all the worlds sins, and if one where to trust in him for salvation and confess and truely repent of all of his sins, they would be saved. No blind man can see a car coming right at him, but can sure feel it when it happens, but then it would be to late when that happens.
In the same way if someone where to die without JESUS, it would be to late for them, but if someone where to tell the blind man about his situation and helped him to safety, a different outcome would result and the blind man would see the danger and not make the same mistake twice. In the same way a saved man who shares the gospel and tells sinners of the very situation they are in and helps them to get out of it, that person might be
Just type "Darwin's Theory Of Evolution - A Theory in Crisis" into google and it should be the second thing down that says "Darwin's Theory Of Evolution". As
for the comment, I was only trying to help him understand the difference between believing in a god and being born again ( saved ).
BTW, First, the gospel of John is more like a biography of JESUS life ( like Mark, Luke, and, Matthew ), no story, second, John did actually meet JESUS ( after he resurrected ), he was the apostle that replaced Judas Iscariot, third, John did witness, he dedicated the rest of his life
to serving GOD ( he wrote the letters 1, 2, and 3 John ). I don't know who told you otherwise, but you need to get the facts before you say something about one of the
apostles like that. You need to stop listening to so called "theistic scholars" who don't even believe that what there reading is reality or that JESUS is the son
how do you know the bible is true? from what I've read (all of it, used to be hardcore like you), there is really no reason to believe it is. conversely, there are a lot of reasons NOT to believe in it. a metric fuckton of them. if god is so smart, the he wouldn't have created the devil. he wouldn't have introduced pointless diseases and natural disasters. sin didn't cause these things to happen, so why couldn't the omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient god do something about it?
God ways are higher than your ways, his thoughts higher than your thoughts, his actions better than your actions. All scripture is given to us by GOD ( 2 timothy 3:16 ) and sin did cause things to happen, GOD did not create satan but a angel named Lucifer who was made holy ( rightous ) and was given a free will, but chose to rebel ( sin ) against God and therefore was cast out of heaven and became the devil. The earth was created perfect without blimish untill adam sinned.
hahaha what a fairy tale... so god create lucifer, lucifer was free and choose the evil, then adam sinned, then that guy of the big ship... Holy Atheism!
The reason I believe that GOD exist is because of the universe itself. You can't get something from nothing, not just the matter and energy but the laws of physics, speed of light, space-time, etc. If you explain the mechinism behind the origin of the universe, you'll have to explain the origin of that mechinism. No matter how you look at it, you'll need GOD to complete the equation, GOD made everything and everything reflects GOD's glory so that men are without excuse.
actually, no. causality is a property of the universe, not the other way around. the universe does not necessarily need a cause, or an origin. the big bang was NOT a beginning, it was merely a rearrangement of what was already there.
I stand corrected, you still need GOD to put it there. Yes causality is is a property of th universe, but the universe still needs something eternal ( been around forever ) to not only create the universe but the laws of physics ( graviiy, space-time,etc.). I don't think I said the universe was created by the big bang, the big bang is just a theory, science is nothing more than "best guess" and believing in GOD is a faith thing. Read 1 Corinthians 1:18- 19.
"GOD can do anything"... "the only things GOD cannot do is sin".. hahaha, and also, "yes he created everything including hell"... damn... so is that a good thing? to create hell to toture people for ever... hahaha
GOD created hell for satan and the angels that followed him, not for humans. That doesn't mean humans can't go there though. Jesus died so we don't have to go there. I for one accept
yeah, so god created hell for the evil... but somehow forgot to put some filter for humans... hahaha, no, seriously, what i mean is that if he created hell for the evil AND for the people that don't belive in him or don't go to church or sin like to steal, to lie or even to KILL... (thinking that every killer has a sad background... maybe some priest abuse.. who knows?..) i rather be in hell whith SATAN than with someone who only will help me if i ask him for help
nether does being a good person, it is by faith alone that we are saved. GOD gave us free will to choose right from wrong. If you choose right, GOD will be with you
( through JESUS ) but if you choose wrong and stay seperated from him, he'll let you keep doing that forever. The choice
yeah i know, church doesn't work for anything. And you said that god gaved us free will... but he only would be with us if we have faith and choose right, so, can't we make a mistake and choose wrong? can't he forgive?... Yeah, yeah you gonna say, "if you ask him..." but from my very personal atheist opinion, someone who forgive me without an apology is a truly good guy, that god needs some moral and ethical values...
JESUS knows your going to make mistakes after all, we are all human, I did, and I still do. We don't become perfect when we get saved, GOD Forgives you of your sins passed, present, and future. Don't take my word for it, read the Bible, it explains in detail
Sooooo your incredibly tiny religion. (and yes it is tiny compared to all others) is the ONLY ONE that will be saved? fuckin idiots
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Nope I'm going to hell.
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yeah well thats not what the quran teaches so if there bible is wrong then what makes your bible real? Explain now with a lot of detail do not just say something smart ass
TheEnvironmentEdge 1 month ago
We will never know if Heaven or Hell is Real until we die ! Maybe god isint real maybe he is ! Who knows nobody. Opinions are opinions and u have the right to believe in anything . and when u die and u find out heaven isint real there's no way u can tell anybody it's not real. So for now u can believe any. Even if it ain't true ! God has to be a women thou, since he created us and gave birth and womens bring life to earth so he was to be a SHE !
YouToob200 1 year ago
@YouToob200 Hey, you talk like you already know that it isn't real. So how are you any different when it comes to judging someone else's beliefs as false because "you" don't know for sure?
But if you'd listen to anything us Christians are saying and what the Bible says, you'd realize that we (Christians) and Jesus are saying that "you" can know without any doubt that God is real and you have received forgiveness and eternal life. Google: John 10:4-11,25-30
MichaelZoltan 1 year ago
The deceitfulness of sin. You just dont even know youre in hell intil you come to Christ. Everything seemed so rosey. Did what I want, anytime I want. But oh dear little did I know I was headed straight to hell with no stop sign! Thank oh my Father for giving me your Son. Thank you for raising him from dead for me and giving me hope! I was very lost!
velvetnotes009 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 He needed to die to set us free from the chains that the devil had on people! Thank God he died , but lets not forget Jesus Christ rose from the GRAVE!
velvetnotes009 1 year ago
@velvetnotes009
Yes, yes, I've heard all the sermons.
When you find some evidence of Jesus rising from the dead,
please be sure and share it with us.
Meanwhile rational adults will put it with the rest of the Bible stories about unicorns and talking animals and a prince on a white horse carrying you off to live happily ever after in his mansion in the sky.
Fairy tales should not be mistaken for reality.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@velvetnotes009
If hell was made for Satan and his angels,
why are there billions of people in hell,
some having been there for 6,000 years,
and yet Satan and his angels are still free and busy?
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 They want you with them!
velvetnotes009 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 Youre wrong! God never abandoned Jesus. He abandoned SIN! if that were not so Jesus would have stayed dead , if that happenned there would be NO hope for us! We would stay dead in our sins, because it is sin that seperates us from GOD. NOW because Jesus has come into this world and has convicted us of sin we need to turn to him to forgive us. Turn away from Sin for the god of this age has already been judged! He is the liar from the beginning!
velvetnotes009 1 year ago
What a merciful god to leave absolutely no empirical evidence of his existence and then punish his own creations for being skeptical. Sounds like a swell guy.
HBanana55 1 year ago
@HBanana55 God IS merciful. If you only knew?! Thats the problem you cant see. You just cant see! 2 Corinthians 4:4 ...for the god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers... I pray that the God of the Heavens and Earth will show you his truth and his LOVE.
velvetnotes009 1 year ago
@velvetnotes009 Wow! A quote from the Bible! I am totally convinced...
HBanana55 1 year ago
@HBanana55 Up to you. You can explain this to God when you see him. Im just the messenger! Believe God at your own will or believe the false alien invasion when that happens.. lol, you dont know about that now do you!
velvetnotes009 1 year ago
The devils and his demons are liars! They were born here!.....and they mingled their seed with the seed of man...Jesus came to destory the works of the flesh (and the devils works) ...(where they happily live) to bring you LIFE by the Spirit. Feeling uncomfortable....Hey! Thats not you! You better wake UP!
velvetnotes009 1 year ago
@velvetnotes009 Lol, you're totally right. God does exist... Now that I'm a believer, I do admit that I will miss the taste of tender baby flesh... but thats ok, I'm sure the body of Christ is more filling nom nom nom nom
HBanana55 1 year ago
@HBanana55 Hah, you're my hero.
silverx10 10 months ago
alright bro , i will not bug you no more ., i hope someday you will get to know about the Lord ! God bless
rayflava1990 2 years ago
yeh thts right run away cause you lost the argument as you have no evidence. saying "magic man done it" doesnt get the human race anywere and the sooner the population realises that the better. have fun wasting your life
MaskOfGrief 2 years ago
btw good quote would be "Science flew man to the moon. Religion flew man into buildings". think about it
MaskOfGrief 2 years ago
NICE VIDEO HOMIE !
rayflava1990 2 years ago
am i heading for heaven?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
and neither is anyone else because it aint there.
MaskOfGrief 2 years ago
THATS WRONG DUDE !
rayflava1990 2 years ago
lol prove it
exactly you cant so therefore because there is no prof for it we must conclude it isn't there
MaskOfGrief 2 years ago
@maskofgrief wait please tell me you are not building a BUNKER for 2012 ? buddy go get a bible the bible was written way before any scientist started talking about evolution .. the bible does NOT change , but scientist views DO change !!!!!! and by the way kid God Bless you !
rayflava1990 2 years ago
hahahahahahaha. thers no point in me picking apart all the faults youve just written down cause you wont listen to reason.
may god bless atheism
MaskOfGrief 2 years ago
alright tel me then .what's your thought's on this video . tell me !?
rayflava1990 2 years ago
ermm makes little sense
no evidence of god
no evidence that the bible is true
no evidence for anything that religion holds to it and as i am a rational person i wont belive in things that hold no evidence
ultimately religion slows down the progress of science and mankind which has brought us prosperity and out of the religious dark age. it because of science that im talking to you now. not religion as religion has brought very little that is for the good of mankind into the world
MaskOfGrief 2 years ago
ok you know what , you could believe what you want ! no one will force you to believe in anything , but i want to tell you that many stuff that the Bible says have happened and are happening !!!! for example earthquakes !!!!! ANY christian youtuber would agree with me
rayflava1990 2 years ago
hahahaha so what?
lord of the rings has war in it.....dont mean its evidence of god
MaskOfGrief 2 years ago
Excellent video.
1 Corinthians 1:17-19
17For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. Christ the Wisdom and Power of God 18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."
gloryboundkev 2 years ago
its the persons choise if thay go to heaven or not
MADdrummer971 2 years ago
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto the least of my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Matthew 25:40.
I'll pray for you to open your heart to Christ's love. I hope you accept him as your savior. Most importantly I will pray you will some day start heeding his instructions. I shudder to think who has been listening to your prayers. Lucifer may be as vain as you describe God, Christ is not.
jojukoway 2 years ago
Tell me, how do you view the gospel?
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
I was really starting to like your videos, but then this. In an earlier video you said you weren't worried about going to heaven and finding out another religion was right, as you would then accept that faith and be saved. But anyone who doesn't believe in Christ goes to hell. Do you realize you have portrayed the other gods as more loving than your vision of Christ? I would really appreciate an answer to this. Have your views changed? Are you saying your God is the pettiest of them all?
jojukoway 2 years ago
Am I headed to heaven according to you? No, and I don't give a shit. You can have your fairy tale of a life after death.
AsifIcarebear3 2 years ago
I love how atheists provide good, simple, intelligent arguments that make sense... and the believers are just like "Jesus... YAY!"
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DYLAN102001 2 years ago
Wow.. I am speechless that even in the 21st century people remain this ignorant. As ignorant as you. That's all I have to say. Open your fucking mind.
MyEggIsBoiled 2 years ago
LOL your funny Its people like you who hate on other religions and tell them that they are WRONG that mess this world up. Jesus may have existed (still no real physical proof) but god (yes in lowercase) deffinitly dosnt go to school learn physics and quantum mechanics they you will see the "light" lol
turbosupplier 2 years ago
First, they ARE wrong, second, its not us that mess this world up, the world has been messed up since creation ( I know you don't believe in that stuff ) by something called "sin". we christians actually preach the " good news" to people like you and other lost people that they don't have to continue in sin. I was once ( and I said this a bunch of times ) athiest myself, not because of being condemed or an of that religious stuff, but because I could find no "physical
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
proof" that he existed untill I actually thought about evolution and how it works ( yes, I know about physics and quantum mechanics ). theres just so many flaws and assumptions that its actually a leap of faith ( yeah, I know that believing in GOD is a faith ). GOD didn't need to go to school to learn about the things that he made ( like telling Edision how to make a light bulb ). The day is comin' when all ( including you and me ) will bow to
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
JESUS and say that he is LORD ( I know you will laugh 'bout that fact ). Its really hard to believe that a Bowling ball exist above your head untill it hits you, then its real easy to believe. If someone where to tell to tell you that a bowling ball was about to hit you, you would move 5ft. in any direction, wouldn't you? In the same way you need to accept JESUS into your life BEFORE its to late, because you won't have the
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
chance to afterwards. Its you choice, you can move 5ft" to a direction believing that what I said was true, or you can stay in the same place like if I was the boy who cryed wolf and get hit with that 25lb hunk of mass thinking that it wheren't there. think about this, If you win, you win all, if you lose, you lose nothing. if you win, you win nothing, if you lose, you lose all.
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
Can you prove that all non-Christians are wrong?
If someone told me that a bowling ball was about to hit me, I'd have no reason to believe him. I can look up or reach up and see that there is nothing there, but you would still insist that there is a bowling ball above my head. It's the same when someone tells me that God exists. There is no evidence.
(Why is evolution important here? Rejecting the theory is no proof of God's existence.)
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
Actually, I was giving a parable ot get my point across, but for you let use another parable. Let's say that ( for some reason )
a sniper is targeting you and he has you in his sights ( he's somewhere where you can't see him ) and I know where he is not because I see him, but that he shot at me to and i successfully dodged it because someone else told me that he was targeting me. Then I told you that hes targeting you and you look around and see no one around and you say " he's
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
crazy, I'm not going to duck because
I can see no danger" then the sniper fires and you're dead, however if he ducked, even though you can't see the danger, you will not be hit and then you will a loud clang in the distance from the bullet the would of hit you if you hadn't ducked. as for proof that all non-Christians are wrong, look up John 14:6 ( if you have a Bible ). Think about this, if you are saved, and you are right about GOD's existance ( I already know god exist, but I'm talking
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
in your terms ) you win all, but if you are wrong about GOD's existance ( I already know you believe GOD doesn't exist, but stay with me here ) you don't lose a thing,
even though you don't really win anything.
But if you aren't saved and there turns out to be a GOD, your in some serious trouble, but if are right about there being no GOD, you don't lose a thing,
but you don't really win anything either. we all have to die someday, are you
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
willing to go through that door with your beliefs? I know I am because I'm saved by the blood of JESUS CHRIST ( I already know your going to laugh "bout that ).
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
No, I didn't laugh about what you said, I respect your belief and opinions.
I know you had used that parable to get your point across, it was just convenient for me to get my point across as well. If you warned me about a sniper, the probability that I'll believe you and duck will be higher than with the bowling ball. The difference between these two situations is that I know that snipers are usually someplace where they can't be seen and shoot people, while bowling balls can be seen and
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
are not usually floating above people's heads. God resembles more the metaphorical bowling ball, that is something not only improbable, but quite likely also contradicting the laws of logic/physics.
The Bible makes claims about God, but it cannot be used as a proof, until God and the claims about him are proved by some other means. (We can't say the Bible is the word of God, because the Bible says so, that's no argument.)
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
The consequences of me (not) believing in God are not relevant at this point. I seek the truth in the first place, not protection from possible consequences of my (non) belief. That I might win or lose something is not a sufficient reason for me to start believing. Actually, I think it would be pretty dishonest of me if I did. If someone gives me evidence of God's existence, I'll believe. Until then, his existence is improbable. If I believed in him contrary to this conclusion, the thing
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
I'd lose would be the truth.
(BTW what exactly would I win and what trouble would I be in?)
What I believe is based on logic and facts, so yes, I'm willing to go through that door with my beliefs, even with my knowledge of the possibility that I might be wrong.
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
First, I'll start with what you said about "what trouble would I be in". Well, If one where to die without christ,in their sins, they would have to pay for those sins( that's a portion of the gospel, but I'll explain that later ). if you want proof of GOD, well look around you, everything around you was made by GOD. Oviously, a building has a builder ( I not talking about stuff like computers or furniture or anything like that, but the matter and energy which their made up of ), ofcoarse when
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
people hear this, they say "well who created GOD?". This is like saying that GOD is of the very time that he created, because GOD created everything ( the space- time continum, laws of physics,
speed of light, what we call quantum physics, etc. because, for instance,
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
for a computer to work you need to have the program in order for the computer to work the way it should ) we humans are "of time" if you can understand it, GOD is of "eternity" which is hard for some people to understand because we where made to function in this universe.
GOD looks at the timeline like we would
look at a metre stick, which has a beginning and a end, but GOD has no beginning and no end because he is the beginning and end( I'm guessing hard for you to )
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
understand, well, its hard for me too, but, stay with me ). also, the Bible says that GOD is the highest power, no other, but the statement "who created GOD" says that there is a higher power. This statement basicly says that GOD has to be in logic with the rest of the universe ( which he created ). If you want more proof, then maybe you should look at the numberous prophices being fullfilled today, or, you can go to south arabia and see the
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
alter erected by the israelites to celebrate a egyption god ( explain in the book of exodus ), if that is, you can get past the guards. the point is that theres plenty of evidence on the earth to prove ( including the universe itself ) that GOD exist plus the flaws in the theory of evolution, but,if you say that GOD doesn't exist, you might as well be saying " this house has no builder, it just came out of nowhere or it evolved out o
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
f nothing". How much evidence 'till you aknowdge that a creation has a creator and that a building has a builder before you get hit with the bullet?
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
I have no problem with acknowledging that a building has a builder. I can see how buildings are built and I can see their builders. Sure, I can see the world around me, but I don't see its creator or how it was created. In fact, I have no reason to think it was really created. Comparing it to a man-made thing doesn't help. We can recognize products made by humans only because we already know these products and how they are created. I understand, why some people believe the universe
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
had to be created, because something cannot originate from nothing, but I can't agree with that position. I also know that it's said that God is independent of the space-time continuum and thus not subject to time and causality. You said that if I say God doesn't exists, I might be as well saying "this house came out of nowhere or it evolved out of nothing". I might not. I don't believe in a creator, I also don't believe that the universe originated from nothing. From
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
my point of view, the universe (or the space-time continuum) is everything that exists. Questions like from what or how the existence came into existence make no sense, since causality works only inside the space-time continuum, therefore, there's no need for God as an explanation.
How many of these fullfilments of numerous prophecies have been truly verified? If someone disproves the theory of evolution, I'll reject it and the origin of species on our planet will become one of those things we
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
know nothing about. There are plenty of things we don't understand, but I really don't know about anything on Earth or in the entire universe that would point to the existence of God.
How much evidence, until I acknowledge that creation actually is a creation? I like lots of evidence, but any reliable evidence would be good for starters. The fact that I might be afraid of the bullet won't make more evidence appear.
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
As for the space-time continuum, I didn't say that causality works INSIDE the space-time continuum, I said its one of the things that GOD put into the " program" of the universe, if you catch my drift. Thomas ( yes, I'm talking 'bout something from the bible ) said "I will not believe that he ( JESUS ) rose from the dead untill I see and touch the nailmarks in his hands, and place my hand in his side, I will not believe ( John 20:25 ). Ofcoarse, he
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
was talking 'bout jesus resurrection, not about where or not he existed, is still applies here with you, and I by no means am being judgement when I say that you seem to me like a Thomas. I can't help you anymore in terms of physical proof and stuff like that, I can only tell you the gospel of JESUS CHRIST, but for that you might as well look at jesusfreek777"s
videos or DarrellMyatt1963's videos. I truly
pray for your search for THE truth and that you
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
come to know JESUS CHRIST as I know him, friend. :-) hey, go to "Way Of The Master" and see what you'll find there!
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
Yes, I think I understand what you said about God and the universe. However, causality (the relationship between a cause and its effect) usually requires time and since time exists only inside the space-time continuum, I concluded that causality can also exist only inside the space-time continuum. That's why I believe it doesn't make sense to look for explanations of the universe or some phenomena in the universe (like the origin of life and species or some physical
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
laws etc) outside the space-time continuum.
You can say I'm like Thomas, I don't mind that comparison. Thomas wanted what any scientist would want, evidence, something that can be seen, touched or measured - something objective. I'm not a scientist but this is basically the only way people can acquire knowledge. To trust what others say is often not enough.
Although it's interesting to read the Bible or listen to people who tell the gospel, unless and until the existence of God is proved without
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
using the Bible, it's only studying something hypothetical. (I've already seen some of jezuzfreek777's videos, I'll watch DarrellMyatt1963's, too. I've also seen some videos on The Way Of The Master and I don't like them, not because I disagree with them, but because they seem to be trying to twist the facts and logic to get their point across, that's not a fair approach.)
I don't know if you'll agree with me, but the searching is really important, not the outcome. Thanks for your reply :-)
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
Thanks, you seem like a nice guy, not like these others that down-right hate GOD. And I do agree 'bout what you said 'bout way of the master, I just wanted you to hear the gospel in the simplest terms, not really the explanations
for cosmic event like for instance, the big bang where they said that a big explosion
doesn't create beautifut things like galaxys, then they compared the big bang to a terrorest bomb, or something ( just look that up ) But for Thomas, I don't blame him either, but,
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
if he believed before he'd seen JESUS, he would have been right about him when JESUS came to him later because
putting ypur faith and trust in him is not really much of a gamble.If the athiest are right, then when you die, It would be like turning off a TV, then ofcoarse you wouldn't care about the truth, because you would be DEAD! haha, but really, if you died with JESUS and there turned out to be a GOD, then you"ve made the safest bet in existance ( I know you don't wanna
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
place a bet based on the existance of hell, but, like it or not I know there is one if the christians are right ). I would talk to
DarrellMyatt1963, he's a nice guy, he'll help you a little bit. ( and I know that you are looking for the truth, not a bet., but think about it, if you'd die today, would you care 'bout the truth then? no, because you'd already know, right? nobody knows
what will happen to them after death,, thae
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
athiests believe that when you die, its like turning off a TV, so, no big deal if there right ( I allready know there wrong ), but , if the christians are right, then the person who didn't put their trust the only son of GOD is gonna get a very rude awaking.) I don't want this for anyone, God is not willing that any should perish, but that all come to repentance. The christians have pretty much got it made, even if we miss out on the
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
sex, the wealth the power, or any of that worldly stuff or even the actual truth ( I already know that there is no other ), if we are right, then, we've got it made in the shade. something to think about.
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
Thanks. That's true, I don't hate God (or more precisely the idea of God, since I don't believe he exists in reality). Maybe I'll talk to DarrellMyat1963 later, it might be interesting. You are also completely right that I want the truth, not a bet. I understand what you're trying to say, but safe bets really don't matter here. If I don't believe (for whatever reasons) and therefore go to hell, that's bad for me, but look at it from my point of view. I have absolutely no evidence that hell
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
exists, but I decide to believe in God, just to be on the safe side (I don't know how would I do that and even if I knew, I would never deceive myself intentionally like that, so this is really hypothetical). What was my motivation? Irrational fear, nothing else. And that is not something I willingly act on. Yes,I could be wrong and God and hell might be real, but that will change nothing about the situation. First, God would have to be proven, so I could at least acknowledge his existence. Then
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
that he has the attributes Christians ascribe to him would have to be proven and that he wants us to behave in a certain way, so I could consider it and decide whether I'll obey the rules or not. Evidence is crucial in this decision-making process. If the evidence was obvious, I and many other people would start to believe long ago. The Pascal's wager (the bet that God is real) you are using doesn't work, it's not a logical way of
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
making decisions. Until God's existence is proven, hell, sin, etc. are great topics for discussions, but such discussions have little (if anything at all) to do with proving God's existence.
You said you know that atheists are wrong, which implies that you are absolutely sure about that. Why?
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
Because I had ( and still do have ) faith in the one begotten son of GOD. he has ( the holy spirit ) revealed many things to me ( confused? well, I 'll explain later ). About that "Irrational fear", well, that actually a good and healthy fear that causes one to make the right choice, and when you said "If the evidence was obvious, I and many other people would start to believe long ago" there was evidence long ago, JESUS rose from the dead, and a lot of people saw him ( including
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
thomas ), this is what started the first churches ( A chruch isn't actually a building, is a "coming together of believers ), and if you ever heard the story about Paul, you'll know he never saw JESUS raised from the dead and also, he persucuted the early church and killed many christians, but then on the road to Damascus, JESUS appeard to him and said " Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?" ( Paul was called saul back then, but changed his name slightly ) and then
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
changed his ways because he had the proof he needed to believe he is the son of GOD and helped the early church and wrote half of the new testement ( in the form of letters to the early churches ),
he even went to his death for GOD who he could not see with his own eyes, and could not prove to the guards that beheaded him. As I said to drumstx2010,
just because you can't see iit, does not mean its not there ( ofcoarse, I was using a analogy to get that point across
when I was
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
talking to erickeVolved, Ofcoarse you can hear radio waves through a radio, but I was talking about with your own EYES ).
Its your choice, I can't prove GOD more than that, and the choice is pretty black and white, choose GOD, or reject him.
I REALLY hope that you make the right choice, because I care about your soul, not because I'm out to prove you wrong or anything. Oh, about the Holy spirit, he's something that GOD gives you when you are born again ( which is not baptisem )
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
You said that you have the faith, that something has been revealed to you, and that may be enough for you. That's ok, but isn't that still only personal experience and not a knowledge that can be gained by some objective means?
Fear is not irrational when there is some real danger. Since I've already said I have no evidence of any danger (hell), the only fear I might feel would be irrational. (btw, even fear felt in dangerous situations often doesn't lead to the right decisions) By long ago I
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
meant years ago, not thousands of years before I was born. How could I possibly verify what actually happened two thousands of years ago? I can't talk to the people who had witnessed what happened, about many of them I can't even be sure that they really existed... Even if I believed that the Bible contains reliable information (which I cannot assume), how will I find the right way to interpret what it says?
Yes, you're right, the lack of evidence of something does not prove that the something
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
doesn't exist. However, we can say that there are many things we can't prove (on what basis do we claim that they exist, then?), but that doesn't tell us what particular things are we talking about, i.e. it tells us nothing.
Currently, I reject the idea of God as superfluous and extremely improbable. I'll reassess that decision again as soon as I get some new information regarding this. It's nice of you to care about my soul (though I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "soul").
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
I'll be praying for you friend :-) Oh, if you wanna know what a soul is, its basicly you without the body ( that is, the flesh, the physical part ). I hoped I helped you a little in your search for GOD.
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
You have. Thanks :-)
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
hey, do me a favor. Even though you may not what to, read the gospel of John, it might help a little too! Peace
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
I certainly will read it. Actually, I want to read the whole Bible.
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
excellent! but I recommend The gospel of john first, then move on from there, but its your call, not mine. :D
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
Hey, go to " City On A Hill productions. com" and look up the " H20 series"
I think that you really like that!
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
It looks interesting, thanks!
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
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Just trying to help. :)
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
Do you know the most common reason why people refuse JESUS CHRIST?
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
No, I think I don't. What is the most common reason?
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
They don't want the lifestyle changes, at all. Think about it, would you want a being you can't even phyically see with your own eyes to say what you can do and what you cannot do?
Look at the comments on this guys videos, they don't sound too happy, do they? People wish to fulfill the appetite of their flesh, they go to strip clubs, they almost always want to get laid, they drink, they smoke weed, dope, etc. and when somebody comes at them with the Gospel, the get hostile. Think about smokers,
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
lets say that their docter told them that they had to stop smoking or their going to die. No smoker wants to give up their " death sticks ", but let say that some else says that that doctor is a quack, nut, etc.,
would they continue to repent of their smoking when someone else tells them that they don't have to? Pobably not. This is why people go to extreme lengths, from agnoring the flaws in the theory in evolution, to going as far as worshiping satan as there god.
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
I understand what you mean. But this is unfair. I'm not denying that there are many atheists, who only wish to fulfil the "appetite of their flesh" and therefore get hostile when someone tries to tell them they should change that. In my opinion, this has little to do with religion. There are logical reasons not to act like these people do, if the only reasons were religious, all atheists would probably behave like you described. And that's definitely not the case. If you are right and this is
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
really the most common reason why people refuse Jesus, it would mean that the people are either confused or stupid. Or both. I hope that's not true. "would you want a being you can't even phyically see with your own eyes to say what you can do and what you cannot do?" No, I wouldn't. To be honest, I don't want anyone to tell me what I can and can't do. If an authority tells you what you can or cannot do (the law, parents, teachers or God, it doesn't matter), it's always you, who decides whether
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
to follow the rule or not anyway, right? But it is premature to ask if people would like to have the rules set by God (unless they already believe in his existence). The problem is, as you said, we can't see God. First, I need to know that there is God, after that I can actually decide, if I want to accept his rules. If I believed God exists, the fact that I can't see him wouldn't be important for the decision.
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
Well, its the most common reason, not the only reason. Your reasons are, I think, different. I think your an agnostic, looking for the absolute truth and keeping your mind open for new ideas.
I think I understand this , I think your trying
to find the meaning of life (thats why I sent you that video if it reached you). I was just throwing a piece of knowledge out there for you to aid you in your search for the abolute truth, as for me, I found it, I'm just trying to help you find it too.
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
Yeah, I know, thanks for that. Well, I'm certainly looking for the truth and I like to think about various ideas. I don't know about the meaning of life, I guess I don't believe it exists objectively.
If that is really the most common reason, that's bad, I'd suppose it would be the lack of evidence or conviction that we can obiously set our own rules, so we don't need God.
FighterInTheShadow 2 years ago
Buddha says relax.
graze47 2 years ago
He says get rid of your belongings, that wouldn't make me feel relaxed.
firingmahlazarr 2 years ago
HAIL SATAN!
666bassguitar 2 years ago
You are so close minded it hurts. You are desensitized by the religion that you believe in that you don't consider the fact that there is no logic behind what you are saying. You say that people who don't believe in the same thing that you believe in will go to hell. You are trying to convert them to be like YOU. Sadly though, there are definitely enough people on this world like you. Religion is something that you should keep to yourself. Everyone else's beliefs are none of your business.
lwunschedwards 2 years ago
Jezuzfreek, I've been watching your vids for a while now. You remind me so much of myself, not too long ago. I was a sold out, born again, spirit filled believer. The key word there is 'was.' I found out through study and the cold realities of life, that Christianity is a lie. I don't expect to change your mind on anything. I know from experiece that that is not possible. People only change when they are ready to change. Anyway, glad I found your channel. Later.
erickeVolved 2 years ago
Did you know the lord??
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
I knew the Lord in the same way that I knew Santa Clause when I was 4. I was sure, without a shadow of a doubt that he existed, and would bring me presents if I sincerely asked him. Then one day I caught my Grandpa sneaking the presents under the tree in the middle of the night. When reality conflicted with my belief in Santa, I let reality win. It's the same with God.
erickeVolved 2 years ago
Sorry, you didn't actually know the lord,
you just thought he existed. We all have to face the cold realitys of life, I have too on almost a daily basis, and so did the people that lived thousands of years ago.
Just because you can't see him it doesn't mean that he isn't there, you don't see radio waves yet their there, nor did you see the past from textbooks on dinosaurs ( not saying there whern't dinosaurs) but you have "faith" that what they said happened
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
Those parallels are fallacies. No you can't see radio waves, but we can physically measure them and they have physical properties. We know they exist when the radio plays music; it comes from radio waves. Can you physically measure god? Also, we know what happened it textbooks is real because, once again, we have physical evidence. That battle happened, and we have cannonballs from it and the bones are buried on the battlefield. It's all about physical evidence.
drumstx2010 2 years ago
We do have physical evidence of GOD as we do for battles from textbooks. I would tell you but more than likely, you'll try and find a excuse to rule it out because people will always try to find a way to get rid of GOD because the idea of a GOD that created the universe sounds so obsurd that it can't possibly be scientific,
That and people don't wanna obey something that tells them to do this and not do that. There is great proof of GOD existence, but people go to great lengths to disprove GOD.
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
Look the bottom line is, people should not try to change other people's beliefs. I'm not trying to change your beliefs, I'm simply questioning your argument for the existence of god by comparing he/she/it to radio waves and textbooks. It's fine if you believe that and you're going to keep believing that as long as you want, you just need to have a better argument. That being said, I would love to hear what this physical evidence of god is that you're talking about.
drumstx2010 2 years ago
The greatest proof that GOD exist is the universe. saying that it came out of nothing is like saying that a fine car appeared out of nowhere, you just can't get something from nothing. And while casuality is a part of the universe not the other way around, so is Probability, then your back to square one. Also you can't get a life by chance ethier, its like the difference of a beach and something written on it. The beach itself is plain but whats written on it is of intellegent design.
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
K the first part made sense so Ill respond to that. First of all, nobodys saying the universe appeared out of nowhere, were saying we dont know how it came to be but that an answer is certainly possible through furthur scientific study and empirical observation. If youre going to play that card though, where did god come from? did he/she/it appear out of nowhere? how do you know? There is still no physical method of measuring that the universe was created by an intelligent being. Moving on,
drumstx2010 2 years ago
The Question of where GOD came from can simply answered by looking off into space and asking " does space have an end?". Space has no beginning or end just like GOD has no beginning or end.
When you try to approach GOD on the logic and reason that only works in this universe, you'll be stomped everytime
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
Hm. funny thing, when I asked that question the answer told me nothing about the origins of god. Once again, youre expressing a fallacy in argument. It is NOT a fact that space has no beginning or end, nor is there a to prove that yet; same goes for god. Besides, you just equated god to space, saying they go by the same principles, which directly counters your previous argument that god is not like the universe in origin... so make up your mind. You also stated that there is physical evidence
drumstx2010 2 years ago
i was being metaforical, and I never tryed to equat GOD with space, I was trying to help you understand something about GOD. What I'm trying to get across is that the laws that govern the universe don't govern GOD. GOD made those laws ( including time ), so if we try to approach GOD on the logic we understand, we won't understand, understand?
if we
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
Ignore the " if we" part, that was a typo.
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
of god, yet now you say that one cannot approach god with logic and reason, as you claimed you could do. when you dont approach these topics with logic, reason, and a good argument, you'll be stomped every time. Once again, im not trying to change your beliefs, but if youre going to argue them you need, well, a solid argument. Youre going to war without so much as a sword.
drumstx2010 2 years ago
I assume by "casuality" (not a word btw) you mean entropy. If thats the case, the second law of thermodynamics states that the universe tends towards entropy (once again, scientifically proven). Im not entirely sure what youre saying about probability so feel free to clarify that, and no you don't get a life by chance, it happens when your parents get down and dirty. No idea what youre saying about beaches but if god writes on a beach id like to see it.
drumstx2010 2 years ago
I'm not talking about the laws of thermodynamics, I'm talking about the cause/ effect relationship. look up casuality on wikipedia please.
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
This is what you are typing:
Casuality
This is what you mean:
Causality
So if were talking cause & effect then, the law states essentially there are laws by which the occurrence of an entity B depends on the occurrence of an entity A, where the word entity means any physical object, phenomenon, situation, or event. A is called the cause, B the effect.
So by that definition, what was the cause, A, by which the entity god, B, came to be?
drumstx2010 2 years ago
Sorry about the spelling, but you get the point now right?
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
What I mean by probability is that something can happen by chance. thats only logical to the universe itself.
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
I wasn't talking about GOD writing on a beach, I was talking about tha difference between the beach itself and the writing one might make in the sand, like S.O.S. or HELP!. The beach itself is barren looking ( besides the water ) and flat at short range and not by intelligent design, but the writing is by intelligent design ( because somebody wrote it ). When I was talking about tlife, I was talking about where the cell came from. think about it before you write back.
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
I know, I was just joking :P But I fail to see how your metaphor of the beach at all helps to prove your point of evidence of a god, which was the premise for this whole debate. All it does is further your beliefs with a vague and unrelated simile. As for the subject of life, we know where the cell comes from. We have seen it happen under microscopes. Sperm + egg = cell. Furthermore, we know where the sperm and egg cells come from and how they form.
drumstx2010 2 years ago
The metafor of the beach was for evolution vs. intelligent design. As for the cell, I wasn't talking about sex, I was talking about what happened billion of years ago ( no, I don't beleve in evolution ). If you wanna be born again, I can tell you how to do that.
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
I understand the analogy, but it still does absolutely nothing for your argument. Its still a vague metaphor that doesnt help prove your side at all. As for evolution, you do realize that we can and have physically observed evolution in natural environments today right? In bacteria, viruses, and even on the galapagos islands. Evolution is a fact and there is empirical data to support it. Every time you get your flu shot, know that evolutionary theory helped create the vaccine.
drumstx2010 2 years ago
Evolution works only to better a species,
not to allow a species to turn into another. Have you ever heard of the so called " missing link"? Have you ever seen a species of bacteria turn, even at a slow pace, into another species through evolution? Have we ever been able to artifically create a cell or bacteria or some other form of life in a test tube?
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
And come on, why the hell would you think I want to be born again?
drumstx2010 2 years ago
Read the WHOLE gospel of John and understand.
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
Watch this video for evolutionary theory (replace * with .):
youtube*com/watch?v=vss1VKN2rf8
As for creation of cells:
rsc*org/Publishing/ChemTech/Volume/2008/09/artificial_cells.asp
While its still not bacterial level, its close and we get closer every day. Its certainly a level of physical evidence that cannot be matched by religion.
As for the WHOLE gospel of John, its just a book written by John, a normal human being. Actually many theistic scholars dont even believe that John really even
drumstx2010 2 years ago
met Jesus or witnessed his life. Writing something does not make it so. For all we know John was just writing down what he thought was a good story. Its like taking harry potter and proclaiming it a holy document. But thats all beside the point and this argument is way off topic. The bottom line is that you still have yet to provide physical evidence of god and therefore do not reserve the right to criticize atheistic belief. this is why everyone just needs to keep their religion to themselves.
drumstx2010 2 years ago
I was once a athiest myself and had the same disbeliefs myself, But I realized that if evolution was the way life came to be ( you said it yourself, evolution is just a theory ) you still need GOD in the equation for the existence of the universe.
Hey, read the article: "Darwin's Theory Of Evolution - A Theory in Crisis" .
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
I was once religious myself and also believed what I was told. The only difference between you and I is that we chose different paradigms somewhere along the line because we evaluated the world around us and the evidence presented and came to different conclusions. That does not make either of us a better person or more legitimate as a human being. The principles of secular lifestyle say that you need to question what is fed to you but not let your results determine your judgment of the worth of
drumstx2010 2 years ago
other people. You came to your conclusions and I came to mine and that doesnt give you the right to make statements about other peoples lives (im talking about the original comment that you replied to) nor should he have made comments about anyone elses life. But if you do begin an argument like that you need to have enough evidence and a good argument to stand your case without denigrating others. Thats all this is about and this whole argument is the reason why religion should be kept private
drumstx2010 2 years ago
Nobody really likes the gospel of JESUS CHRIST, but then again, nobody likes to go though surgery even though it may be necessary to continue living. If a blind man was walking though the street thinking that the street is clear when really its not, and someone sees the dangerous situation that man is putting himself into, wouldn't he try to save him or at least tell him of the dangers he is in so he will realize and do something about it? Unless he doesn't
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
care about that man and his safety, he would. The truth is, JESUS is lord, he died for all the worlds sins, and if one where to trust in him for salvation and confess and truely repent of all of his sins, they would be saved. No blind man can see a car coming right at him, but can sure feel it when it happens, but then it would be to late when that happens.
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
In the same way if someone where to die without JESUS, it would be to late for them, but if someone where to tell the blind man about his situation and helped him to safety, a different outcome would result and the blind man would see the danger and not make the same mistake twice. In the same way a saved man who shares the gospel and tells sinners of the very situation they are in and helps them to get out of it, that person might be
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
saved from the hell they would have gone to and not made that mistake twice
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
within each individual. Also, could you give me a link to that article? id be interested in reading it.
drumstx2010 2 years ago
Just type "Darwin's Theory Of Evolution - A Theory in Crisis" into google and it should be the second thing down that says "Darwin's Theory Of Evolution". As
for the comment, I was only trying to help him understand the difference between believing in a god and being born again ( saved ).
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
Hey, did you ever look at that thing that I sent you ?
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
BTW, First, the gospel of John is more like a biography of JESUS life ( like Mark, Luke, and, Matthew ), no story, second, John did actually meet JESUS ( after he resurrected ), he was the apostle that replaced Judas Iscariot, third, John did witness, he dedicated the rest of his life
to serving GOD ( he wrote the letters 1, 2, and 3 John ). I don't know who told you otherwise, but you need to get the facts before you say something about one of the
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
apostles like that. You need to stop listening to so called "theistic scholars" who don't even believe that what there reading is reality or that JESUS is the son
of GOD.
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
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DYLAN102001 2 years ago
Hell is the absence of god. God created everything. Can god create an absence of himself? It doesn't seem like he could, as that would be impossible.
Therefore, hell as christians define it cannot exist.
Also, since all thought processes are controlled by the brain, our "existence" really does just vanish when our brains die.
DyfnalltDH 2 years ago
GOD can do anything, yes he created everything including hell, but god can choose to not exist in certain realms,
including hell. god is alot smarter then
you or I (1 corinthians 3:19) offcorse
the only things GOD cannot do is sin.
Just read the the bible more, it will tell
you all you need to know if you'll look
for it
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
how do you know the bible is true? from what I've read (all of it, used to be hardcore like you), there is really no reason to believe it is. conversely, there are a lot of reasons NOT to believe in it. a metric fuckton of them. if god is so smart, the he wouldn't have created the devil. he wouldn't have introduced pointless diseases and natural disasters. sin didn't cause these things to happen, so why couldn't the omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient god do something about it?
DyfnalltDH 2 years ago
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
hahaha what a fairy tale... so god create lucifer, lucifer was free and choose the evil, then adam sinned, then that guy of the big ship... Holy Atheism!
halecksm 2 years ago
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
actually, no. causality is a property of the universe, not the other way around. the universe does not necessarily need a cause, or an origin. the big bang was NOT a beginning, it was merely a rearrangement of what was already there.
DyfnalltDH 2 years ago
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
GOD hasn't been created by causality, he
just is, the universe has been created by
causality because GOD created the
universe. GOD has no beginning or
ending, he is the beginning and the end,
the universe does have a beginning and
a end, but still, you believe what you want,
I can't force you to believe, nor can I prove
GOD exists to you, I just hope you make the right decision before its too late.
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
I can't argue with you any further. We shall see.
DyfnalltDH 2 years ago
No hard feelings, John 3:16
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
Thanks for being respectful.
DyfnalltDH 2 years ago
yeah, thats what you heard in every church, but get some physics class...
halecksm 2 years ago
"GOD can do anything"... "the only things GOD cannot do is sin".. hahaha, and also, "yes he created everything including hell"... damn... so is that a good thing? to create hell to toture people for ever... hahaha
halecksm 2 years ago
GOD created hell for satan and the angels that followed him, not for humans. That doesn't mean humans can't go there though. Jesus died so we don't have to go there. I for one accept
what he did.
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
yeah, so god created hell for the evil... but somehow forgot to put some filter for humans... hahaha, no, seriously, what i mean is that if he created hell for the evil AND for the people that don't belive in him or don't go to church or sin like to steal, to lie or even to KILL... (thinking that every killer has a sad background... maybe some priest abuse.. who knows?..) i rather be in hell whith SATAN than with someone who only will help me if i ask him for help
halecksm 2 years ago
Uhh, going to church doesn't save you,
nether does being a good person, it is by faith alone that we are saved. GOD gave us free will to choose right from wrong. If you choose right, GOD will be with you
( through JESUS ) but if you choose wrong and stay seperated from him, he'll let you keep doing that forever. The choice
is yours, make it wisely.
DYLAN102001 2 years ago
yeah i know, church doesn't work for anything. And you said that god gaved us free will... but he only would be with us if we have faith and choose right, so, can't we make a mistake and choose wrong? can't he forgive?... Yeah, yeah you gonna say, "if you ask him..." but from my very personal atheist opinion, someone who forgive me without an apology is a truly good guy, that god needs some moral and ethical values...
halecksm 2 years ago
JESUS knows your going to make mistakes after all, we are all human, I did, and I still do. We don't become perfect when we get saved, GOD Forgives you of your sins passed, present, and future. Don't take my word for it, read the Bible, it explains in detail
what I'm trying say to you.
DYLAN102001 2 years ago