if im not mistaken shockofgod censors his comments which is just pathetic if you are going to debate something you cannot filter the content only a weak and biased man will do that.
It's easy to win a debate when you talk over people and re-ask your question over and over without ever letting them answer. That's the way I heard shock debating a while back but it's been a while since I've even paid attention to what he's doing. I've got better things to do.
and Will L Craig would only win against Hitchen's in his mind, he still won.
but by taking on a history and culture atheist, in the arena of theology and science.
and peppering the debate with the line "objective morality" which is a meaningless concept (an "ought" can never be objective and an "is" can never be subjective - ala - Dan Barker).
Most of the debate was him arguing for Intelligent Design, and Moral Pleading.
Hitchens could do nothing but note that a moral standard of reciprocity (neighbor as thyself) is older then post-tribal polytheism (from which judaism derives).
@MoonwalkerWorshiper Are you suggesting that you automatically win the debate when your opponent turns it down? If I challenged Stephen Hawking to a debate and he declines, does that mean I'm automatically superior to him when it comes to physics? No.
If SoG wants to debate someone, he can call the Atheist Experience. He knows this. Instead of challenging celebrities to debates...as if they have time to deal with a troll like Shock who bans all atheists from commenting.
@VesusSheist [Are you suggesting that you automatically win the debate when your opponent turns it down?]
No I don't because I explicitly said probably. Probably Penn would have won the debate because Shock isn't very bright (neither are hasty people who don't read properly before they reply crap).
@VesusSheist 2 [challenging celebrities to debates]
He does that because he thinks highly of himself, and he wants to gain fame. I told him that once, sending him a comment that he's better in promoting his website rather than the message of God.
he committed another lie in the title of the video about the blog calling Penn a coward, the blog is from a christian and most of the reactions were anonymous.
he can now admit he is the user Conservative and has been writing all the stories on conservapedia that seem to support his views, or he can admit Penn did not mention him. My guess he won't mention it anymore
"Shock of God" his real name is Rich Allen. He used tio run a BBS that I called from time to time. I have the AMERICA.ZIP file that the fucking violently insane fascist domestic terrorist used to send around.
God i hate shock of god,he lies to all his viewers.In the comments section you can see all the naive subscribers saying oh good work shock!Makes me so mad.
I would certainly hope conservapedia is a troll site, or a poe site, for the sake of the people who write there. I would hate to think that all those people were so mentally impaired. Poor things, however do they manage to live?
@finderfinder100 my understanding is SoG started the site, so in a way SoG and the site are the same entity.
*If* that is true then SoG didn't lie when he said that Penn was referring to him directly, even though Penn only mentioned the site. id bet that is exactly how SoG would view it - if my comment about SoG being the sites creator and / or administrator are right.
How do you know penn is telling the truth?
ITAMonkey 2 weeks ago
ShockofGod twist and manipulates reality. That's a new one.
MoonwalkerWorshiper 1 month ago
The cock of god is a dick.
dave474c 1 month ago
What proof and evidence does anyone have that ShockOfGod isn't a pedophile?
mikefromwa 2 months ago
ShockOfGod has zero credibility. He's a total coward. Everybody knows that.
fatouche99 2 months ago
if im not mistaken shockofgod censors his comments which is just pathetic if you are going to debate something you cannot filter the content only a weak and biased man will do that.
AkkiMancer 3 months ago
what a load when he says: "i do know people & love people of faith"
& i suppose when he made the video where he calls the bible "*(&%# &"
throws it across the room.
a true Christian does & should take offense to that.
this guys is mixed up (teller that is) using that excuse.
has he gone soft? or has he just realized that his worldview is absurd.
dustydirt 5 months ago
02:49 LOL. he she or IT? what the fuck.
gulbirk 6 months ago
What proof and evidence do you have that Santa Syndrome is accurate and correct?
Arkesus 6 months ago
@Arkesus huh? Santa Syndrome is not accurate nor correct.
TheCurmudgen 6 months ago
@TheCurmudgen sorry, forgot the quote marks. This would be my question to Shock, following on from any time he asks his question.
Arkesus 6 months ago
@Arkesus Ah, I see. I was confused! lol
TheCurmudgen 6 months ago
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Arkesus 6 months ago
Wow. This doesn't surprise me at all. I have tried to get shock to debate me on my channel but there was no way.lol
SuperMrAtheist 6 months ago
Shock's a narcissist, we've known that for ages.
falchion49 6 months ago
I stumbled upon this news because I'm a fan of Penn's show, Bullshit, and I saw his name mentioned.
JesterAzazel 6 months ago
It's easy to win a debate when you talk over people and re-ask your question over and over without ever letting them answer. That's the way I heard shock debating a while back but it's been a while since I've even paid attention to what he's doing. I've got better things to do.
JesterAzazel 6 months ago
Shockofgod isn't worth anyone's time. If I was related to him I wouldn't even acknowledge it.
TekLok 6 months ago
I was just thinking, why Penn? Why not challenge an athiest who is knowlegdgable about the bible?
I personally believe that Shock was setting himself up to win.
dalek14mc 6 months ago
@dalek14mc Shock would only win against Penn in his own mind.
TheCurmudgen 6 months ago 6
and Will L Craig would only win against Hitchen's in his mind, he still won.
but by taking on a history and culture atheist, in the arena of theology and science.
and peppering the debate with the line "objective morality" which is a meaningless concept (an "ought" can never be objective and an "is" can never be subjective - ala - Dan Barker).
EVERYVERSER 6 months ago
Most of the debate was him arguing for Intelligent Design, and Moral Pleading.
Hitchens could do nothing but note that a moral standard of reciprocity (neighbor as thyself) is older then post-tribal polytheism (from which judaism derives).
EVERYVERSER 6 months ago
there are also other secular standards for morality:
deontological universality (actions are only good if they apply in all similar situations),
objectivistic consent (actions are only good if they are mutually consented to by all involved),
and utilitarian cost/benefit (actions are only good if they result in greater benefit then cost for all involved).
EVERYVERSER 6 months ago
@TheCurmudgen [Shock would only win against Penn in his own mind.]
Probably, but we'll never know, because Shock invited to a debate and Penn turned it down. Reality speaks for itself.
MoonwalkerWorshiper 1 month ago
@MoonwalkerWorshiper Are you suggesting that you automatically win the debate when your opponent turns it down? If I challenged Stephen Hawking to a debate and he declines, does that mean I'm automatically superior to him when it comes to physics? No.
If SoG wants to debate someone, he can call the Atheist Experience. He knows this. Instead of challenging celebrities to debates...as if they have time to deal with a troll like Shock who bans all atheists from commenting.
VesusSheist 1 month ago
@VesusSheist [Are you suggesting that you automatically win the debate when your opponent turns it down?]
No I don't because I explicitly said probably. Probably Penn would have won the debate because Shock isn't very bright (neither are hasty people who don't read properly before they reply crap).
MoonwalkerWorshiper 1 month ago
@VesusSheist 2 [challenging celebrities to debates]
He does that because he thinks highly of himself, and he wants to gain fame. I told him that once, sending him a comment that he's better in promoting his website rather than the message of God.
MoonwalkerWorshiper 1 month ago
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dalek14mc 6 months ago
Is he so stuck up his arse he actually thinks Penn would debate him?
19822andy 6 months ago
he committed another lie in the title of the video about the blog calling Penn a coward, the blog is from a christian and most of the reactions were anonymous.
he can now admit he is the user Conservative and has been writing all the stories on conservapedia that seem to support his views, or he can admit Penn did not mention him. My guess he won't mention it anymore
Toudiyama 6 months ago
Shockofgod lied? Shocking! lol...
TheCodedAtheist 6 months ago
The insane shit pile deleted postings to his BBS and then banned people who asked the fucktard questions and debunked his violent occult delusions.
NotSoOldHippy 6 months ago
"Shock of God" his real name is Rich Allen. He used tio run a BBS that I called from time to time. I have the AMERICA.ZIP file that the fucking violently insane fascist domestic terrorist used to send around.
NotSoOldHippy 6 months ago
My Channel, send it plz!
EVERYVERSER 6 months ago
God i hate shock of god,he lies to all his viewers.In the comments section you can see all the naive subscribers saying oh good work shock!Makes me so mad.
MrSpaghetti12 6 months ago
@TheCumudgen I think you guys are giving this religious clown way too much attention.
somethingdiffereable 6 months ago 3
Shock is such an irritation. I mean no body takes him seriously but he always like to try his best to be as annoying as possible.
CyborgAtheist 6 months ago
I love Penn. I like that he's honest about not getting satire, sarcasm or irony all the time. I do that sometimes as well. :P
PaleoSteno 6 months ago
Truth and Shock have never met.
MacNutz2 6 months ago
I watched shock's video, and when I tried to comment I found I'd been blocked, I think he's the first person to ever block me. I wonder what I did?
steviemgallacher 6 months ago
@steviemgallacher You've joined a large group of people. If you don't kiss his rump he blocks.
TheCurmudgen 6 months ago
@TheCurmudgen It seems to be a rather large club.
steviemgallacher 6 months ago
@steviemgallacher join the club -- /watch?v=h2JTzlSmj30
thorkyll 6 months ago
@steviemgallacher You did things which led to stuff hence you were blocked.
CappitranoBellephant 6 months ago
@steviemgallacher
He blocked me before I even made videos.
SiriusMined 6 months ago
I would certainly hope conservapedia is a troll site, or a poe site, for the sake of the people who write there. I would hate to think that all those people were so mentally impaired. Poor things, however do they manage to live?
InvincibleIronyMan 6 months ago
Penn becked out because he know he couldn't prove atheism accurate and correct :trollface:
KoalaRimjob2 6 months ago
shockofgod blocked me, the douche, and i never even did anything.
thorkyll 6 months ago
I don't think anybody is surprised by FartOfGod's reaction. It was expected by everybody. I bet he will call it another victory for himself.
NicolSD 6 months ago
Isn't Shockofgod and conservapedia the same thing? same side of the same troll?
finderfinder100 6 months ago
@finderfinder100 He's involved but I doubt he's the only one.
TheCurmudgen 6 months ago
@TheCurmudgen trolls do tend to nest together under the same bridges
finderfinder100 6 months ago
@finderfinder100 my understanding is SoG started the site, so in a way SoG and the site are the same entity.
*If* that is true then SoG didn't lie when he said that Penn was referring to him directly, even though Penn only mentioned the site. id bet that is exactly how SoG would view it - if my comment about SoG being the sites creator and / or administrator are right.
Knightyme 6 months ago
ShockofGod lied? I am shocked.
pilgrimpater 6 months ago