Funny you say that you love this country, you love its history, you accept our country as it is and yet you attack Southerners and claim they aren't American. What a fucking moron...
and im a christian i believe in God but christians on you tube need to learn pascifism, instead of trying to make ppl converted. i mean i love God but im not going to use history to convert others, i mean wtf....
Great stuff. Christianity is just one area in which people have no respect for the founders and thier ideas. Look at this past election? Both candidates hardly resemble a government that promotes liberty above all else. Thanks for the post man!
10000 years of history? Well first no its not really history its stories passed down from generation to generation. Ever played a game called "telephone"? Its kinda like that. Its starts with truth but by the time you get the message its a completly differnet story.
Doesnt the bible say that the earth is only 6000 years old?
Seriously you need to research really really hard before answering again because you are using your so called very recent understand of you alone single veiw to understand thousands and thousands of years of history.
You are delusional. Bus your ratinal so is islam. No they are not the same religion. They may belive in the same god but they belive in diffrent paths in finding him and hevean.
No you haven't read the bible thats why you think that bible doesn't teach they are two seperate beliefs i've explained it well on my page go have a look.
Id rather not. Unlike most atheist or agnostics I came to the realiziation there is probably no god from studying history. I dont need to read the bible because I studied your history.
The bible can not be used to prove or diss prove god. Its justa book no facts. I can write a book too but that doesnt make the words I say true just like the words in your bible are not true.
wait a minute, lol. you read history books and really found no evidence of God. ahaha. and then you actually do not read the bible but somehow a realization came to mind without a consideration of cross checking the text in the bible and history.lol this here zero is the evidence that you are a dumb ass. pliz e-mail me dude so i can school your ass. I am not a perfect example of a christian but i know how to research and i pray to God because that's why he died and rose from the dead for us.
Tell you what find me 10 people who would say the Judisim and christianity are the same religion. Go ahead Ill wait.
The only thing you have in common is the belief in the same god. Thats it. You have diffrent views on him for instance jews dont have a hell while christians do.
stupid, they dont believe in a hell because they are God's chosen people. while the world was acting crazy and self indulgent like most of us, they responded to God's calling for repentance..
This is not a democracy. It is my personal page. I already stated I was tired of hearing comments without proof presented. And yes I didn't read the rest of that comment as I stated above
Oh my god are you kidding me? CHRISTianity How can you have a religion without christ? I wont even read the rest of that comment because it show YOU do not understand the word christian.
Give me examples of these good christian laws so I can show you that they where around well before christianity. Your religion set man back over 1000 years. For 1200 years christianity help to surpress knowledge and democracies.
My view is this belive in god fine, do good in his name great, live you life by his word sure, but live it at that. The bible is not a literal account of the history of man and voting on your religion is not democracy is theocracy
And all the moral laws of any western land are either Christian or have had Christian moral influence in bedded at some level with the exception of a few wicked laws such as allowing child slaughter more commonly know as abortions.
No they are not. I truly hate when people say that. Im sorry but man got a long just fine with thier law and morals before christianity. Almost everything in christianity is taken from other religions. Every story in the bible is stolen from another religion except those about jesus himself. Of course the muslims stole those stories from you.
What is a child? What is life? Why is it your right to decied who lives or dies? You are not thier creator are you?
Im sorry when in history has christianity respected anyones faith. As far as i can tell islam its no better. I deal with christianity because its christians who opress me.
Abortion gay rights thats forcing your religion. A eye for a eye thats your religion. Look through history the more people seperate themselfs from the ancient beliefs of their religion the more knowledge is produced. Greek philosophers, renaissance, Founding of America science in general.
united, not really. United agiasnt atheist and muslims sure. You cant be one when you do not have the ame views. Soms christians may call you a sinner and say you practice the wrong form of christianity. Just like you seem to think that about christians. If you where forced to live under catholic laws and had to worship the way they told you could you?
No not any more. We are a nation built on imigration. The founding father where mostly English, but the founding fathers are not Americans of today just as if we go back in the history of you nation. Celts romans normans saxons your nationality has changed over time same as ours. Only differnce is we didn't get conquered and have our women raped liek you did.
And yes Christian pilgrams also settled America quite right.
But the Christian English/British by far were the most powerful and largest group that settled America along with the Christian french and Christian Irish and Christian Spanish.
Settle down stop trying to change what you said. You said the founding fathers where catholics which isnt true. There where not that many catholics in the 13 colonies.
We need to establish if we are talknig about the USA or north and south american as a whole. Spanish south french north and west dutch in new york english north and east germany and russia far west. I know the history of this land very well. Are we talking about USA or not because pilgrams means New England
The Protestant faith your refering to was officially set up by Henry the 8th in form of the Church of England having said that Christianity in its original form existed long before.
LOL is that why he did that. Funny becasue when he was young he was a devote catholic and it wasnt until the church would not grant him a divorce that he began to look for another way. Great christian role model how many of his wifes did he kill? For what again oh thats right not giving him a son. And how many women did he sleep with outside of his many marriages?
Yes yes he was deffently speaking the word of god wasnt he lol. Brilliant ruler though
Wow where are you from? Greed and theft? Show me? Seems you like to hear yourself talk but can you show any proof for any of your backwards claims? Funny what you think a american is, do me a favor go look up treaty of tripoli article 11 for me. As far as our history how bout the fact the for the first time in Human history power of one goverment changed hands from one person to another without that person being a relative or any loss of life. Can your house do that?
What the hell are you talking about? First the founding fathers didn't leave England thats the pilgrams you idiot. Second the pilgrams where protestants not catholics. Third there was only one catholic founding father. Fourth no most the founding fathers did not believe in jesus christ they believed in god there is a differnece. Five you sect of christianity is no older then 500 years while catholics have been around for 1900 years. Six do you know who founded your protestant religion?
My version of Christianity is the original form before the Catholic church was even formed.
Catholic Church was formed when the Romans decided to stop killing Christians and adopt our values and teaching but they did so while still keeping their old pagan traditions and mixed the two groups.
How is it distorted. I have this policy about maknig stupid claims like that and not backing them up. I simply remove the comments.
Your christianity is 2000 years old. So you are right and millions of other christians are wrong? How do you know your form of christianity is the right one? There are many differnet forms of protestant christianty. are you a quaker? luthren? prespaterian?
Lol my reconstruction of history. Thats funny because you have still yet to show me incorrect statments or quotes that I have used but I found a few that you used that I can prove are not true. Until you can admit you made a few mistakes or show me that I have made them I will not waste my time with you.
of the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 29 were Anglicans, 16-18 were Calvinists, and among the rest were 2 Methodists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 lapsed Quaker-sometimes Anglican, and only 1 open Deist.
Waka waka waka Im done with you. If you are just gonig to pull crap of christian websites without checking the facts then you are wasting my time. You logic is flawed. You are looking at what they where born into and not what they practiced. By your logic I am not agnostic but a catholic. Doesnt matter that I do not believe in god I was born catholic right? I really do pitty your ignorance.
You keep telling me to open history books and educate myself on our history but it has been you that has put up false quotes. You havent found one error in anything I have posted but I can PROVE the errors in your post. I think anyone reading these comments regardless of what side of the fence they are on can see I put honest accurate quotes up. Beyond that I actually read the full accounts from wich the quotes where pulled. You miss quoted people and put quotes that where neversaid.
The Thomas Jefferson quote with no refferance, and the miss quote of Adams and Madison. It shows you did not research anything you have posted. You simple grabed them and took them as truths. I guess thats what your religion teachs. not to question anything. Thankfully our founding fathers did not think like you. They told us to question organized religion and to question our goverment. As a matter of fact they told us it was our duty as Americans to do this.
The three branches of the U.S. Government: Judicial, Legislative, Executive
• At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, James Madison proposed the plan to divide the central government into three branches. He discovered this model of government from the Perfect Governor, as he read Isaiah 33:22;
Just further shows your ignorance of not just our history but world history. Baron de Montesquieu thats all im gonig to say about that look him up. redwine I have to ask do you take the time to read any of these documents, letters and a speachs in full or do you just find the quotes on christian website and assume that they are correct? Its really sad. For every pro christian quote you find I will find 20 anti christian quotes by the founding fathers. Try as you might you cant change history.
Where learned they those immortal principles of the rights of man, of human liberty, equality and self-government, on which they based their Republic, and which form today the distinctive glory of our American civilization ? In the school of Calvin they learned them. There the modern world learned them. So history teaches.
Redwine! You, Sir, are so god damn annoying, narrow minded and pathetic, it's almost beyond comprehension. In fact, if you are more than 18 years old, it disturbs me greatly that you are legally allowed to vote for public office.
Oh and redwine, putting a Christian in charge of our government no more makes it pleasing to God than putting a Christian in charge of the local strip joint would make it pleasing to God. Applying Christian principles to either would radically alter both entities!!!
" Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." Source: October 12, 1816. The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, Henry P. Johnston, ed., (New York: Burt Franklin, 1970), Vol. IV, p. 393.
Yea thats a great guy. Did ya read up on him at all. He must be your hero. I guess there is a reason why that someone as accomplished as he was never thought of for president. maybe it was the fact that he didnt believe in equality or maybe the fact he tried to make it illegal for catholics to hold public office. I cant disput this though that was his feelings and for once you put a accurate quote up. I guess i should say good job for that.
Where did we learn those lesson? Is that what your asking? Well it wasnt the bible. Common law for one which was around well before christianity. Self govement is not a christian idea The republic is not christian.
Im not really sure how to respond to this becasue I dint totally understand the question you put forth. Can you please refrase it for me?
[appointed by President James Madison--served from Feb 3, 1812 -- Sept 10, 1845]
"I verily believe Christianity necessary to the support of civil society. One of the beautiful boasts of
our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law. . . There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying its foundations."
[Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States; and 1829 speech at Harvard]
Now your pissing me off. I alread told you that Adams was a christian so why you are using his quotes is beyond me there is no debate there. Same with Sam Adams I never tried to claim either where diest. I am also sick of you editing quotes to make them fit your ideas. You post a quote i show how its full a shit you dont debate it becasue you know it is so you go find somemore bullshit quotes. TREATY OF TRIPOLI signed by ADAMS clearly state we are not founded on the christian religion. Art 11
don't get pissed, get educated on the subject your talking about.then I might respect you.
George Washington: Before taking his oath of office, he summoned a Bible on which to take the oath, added the words "So help me God!" to the end of the oath, then leaned over and kissed the Bible.
Get educated? I have put up 100% accurate quotes from our founding fathers you have not and you dare to tell me to get educated? WASHINGTON NEVER SAID THAT!!!! You make me sick. Do some fucking research. Do you have any idea why you think washinton said that? Because a a writer 60 years after the event wrote it Second He was 6 at the time and could not have heard single word washington said washington spoke to softly. A french diploamt recored the whole inauguration those word where never said.
Study history more huh? Well lets see every quote I have used is on the Libary of Congress and can be check and verified. Now lets look at some of your quotes. Well we have one where you incorrelty quoted two men who where not at the event in which you speak. Oh and then we have a made up quote which you can not find anywhere becasue the man never said it.
I need to study history? Can you show me one incorrect statment I have made. Oh no you can't huh but yea I need to study history your a joke
Your just a troller you havn't been able to dispute in of my correction have you? Or found any mistakes in my quotes? But I need to get educated in our history. I truly hoope you say this just to get a rise out of me and not becasue you actually believe it. If it is for the rise then a spit at you if not then I pitty you.
"It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]
"The Bible is worth all other books which have ever been printed."
"Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day [the Fourth of July]?" "Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior?
Samuel Adams:" He who made all men hath made the truths necessary to human happiness obvious to all... Our forefathers opened the Bible to all." [ "American Independence," August 1, 1776. Speech delivered at the State House in Philadelphia]
You would think that devout Christians would be horrified at the fact that so many are trying to pull God into this nation. America is a human institution and was not divinely created...and to believe it was and to believe our leaders are divinely appointed is going against the 2nd commandment. Sadly, religion is all a bunch of contradiction.
Yea I can't understand christian viws about our founding fathers. they seem to disregard eveything they ever wrote and insted try to reinturpet it like they do their bible. It truly is a slap in the face of those who gave them the right to practice that religion freely.
EVEN IF America was founded by Christian leaders that wanted to instill Christian law and whatever, there's a little something called CHANGE! PROGRESS! Nothing should remain the same forever. Or just because it was said or done in the past doesn't mean we should continue to do it. Great video. I love people getting angry.
maybe you should have listen to my video. If you had you would have heard me say Adams was a adament christian a true believer.
Also you are not clever by using that statment. I am no fool and I know where you got that quote. That was never siad by those men. It was said by Rev. Clark or Deacon Parker but nice try. Maybe you should actually research things insted of pulling them of christian websites. Want a link to the story where you got your quote?
Fake quotes get no play here. maybe you should read the real story. Then you and others would know that Both hancock and adams had left lexington before major pircairn had arived. Why you think they said this was the fact that they where at the mans house who did say it and through errors people have credited adams and hancock but the historical records show that they had left as to not be captured. read the accounts of the men that where there
When Cornwallis was driven back to ultimate retreat and surrender at Yorktown, all of the colonels of the Colonial Army but one were Presbyterian elders. More than one-half of all the soldiers and officers of the American Army during the Revolution were Presbyterians.
Yea what is your point? No one said thier where not manny people who practiced forms of christian faith. This vid is about the founding father not the patriots who fought in the war. I respect the every man and woman who sacrificed for us to have this nation but this vid was not about all of them just the select few we call our founding fathers.
"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?" --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XVIII, 1782. ME 2:227
Ok you didnt watch my vid because you would have heard me say that that Jefferson used god a lot becasue he was a DEIST He did not believe in christianity but did believe in a god and creator. This is the view of about half the founding fathers including Franklin Paine Washington Rush. Look up what diest means
"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on
The evidence of [the] natural right [of expatriation], like that of our right to life, liberty, the use of our faculties, the pursuit of happiness, is not left to the feeble and sophistical investigations of reason, but is impressed on the sense of every man. We do not claim these under the charters of kings or legislators, but under the King of Kings." --Thomas Jefferson to John Manners, 1817. ME 15:124
I didn't see christ in that quote anywhere. How do you know he wasnt speaking of god. Oh because your naturally assuming that because jesus called himself this. If a muslim was reffering to the king of kings would he not be speaking of alah
You did not just use that quote did you. He never said that quote which is why as hard you try you will never find the date of which he wrote this letter, to who he wrote the letter to or a copy of this writting. Give me a break thats just sad.
You probably feel real stupid that ever quote you have put up I have been able to rebutle or prove was not said by then men you claim said it. Yet all of my quotes can be check in the libary of congress. Hmmm christian morality and hoenstly?
In Benjamin Franklin's 1749 plan of education for public schools in Pennsylvania, he insisted that schools teach "the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern."
"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on
man... Jefferson.
This is a much better quote to use to support your case. To bad the rest of the letter states the he feels that christians are not christian, that practing superstition is not the teaching of jesus and that the real teaching is freedom knowledge and helping your fellow man
I am for freedom of religion & against all maneuvres to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another TF to E Gerry 1799
John Adams:"I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere, my straightened means, and my busy life, would allow; and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the libraries I have seen." December 25, 1813 letter to Thomas Jefferson
George Washington:" It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible."
To the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian" [May 2, 1778, at Valley Forge]
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever." (excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital)
Why would you put this quote up? DIEST!!!! Believing in a god does not mean you believe in christ. No one said Jefferson did not believe in a god, reading his writing you can see that.The fact is he was not a christian. Its ignorant to think that the word god can only mean jesus christ. Come on bring me something worth my time. I already told you that you would find most of his quotes with god now find me some with christ. Oh ya cant becasue he didnt belive in christianity.
Sweet lord you didnt watch my vid. I never claimed that Adams was a diest in fact I said quite clearly that he was a adament christian. Now go find me some quotes of Adams where he says that America should live by Christ laws. Go ahead Ill wait.
acctually , you stated most of the founding fathers were deists, then you proceded to just point out jefferson and paine, Im just trying to educate you more on the subject, than your liberal arts professor has.I guess I would only ask where you suppose beiief in "God" came from.
Just Jefferson and Paine? How bout Washington, Franklin, Ethan Allen, Madision and Rush? I don't know if you just dont read what I write or if you mind just picks and chooses what it wants to see. Why did I use Jeffreson and Paine? Well simple because you where using Jefferson so I had to rebutle with Jefferson. I use Paine becasue it was his idea that sparked the revolution. How are you going to tell me your educating me when I have owned every quote you have tried to use?
Well considering I know the founding fathers where real (I know jesus was real I mean his divinity) and the founding fathers gave me a great free nation to live in and thier ideas are less violent and hatefull then jesus not to mention the freedom their ideas brought to other nations. Yea I will go with the founding fathers. They also did not believe in jesus christ as lord and savior so hey atleast if im wrong I will have some great company to share hell with.
Choose is a strong word and thats the point of this video. Forcing christian lawes on this nation strips us of our ability to choose. It strips us of a degree of freedom. Try to think of how you would feel if muslims all of a sudden became the dominant religion of this country. You would sure want religious freedom and seperation of chruch and state then wouldn't you? We owe it to the men that gave us this nation to remember their words
Thanks. You should check out Paines pamphlet Common Sense. Another great patriot that has been forgotten is Benjamin Rush. Mr Rush said that we should have freedom of medicine just like religion. he aurgued that without it medicine would organize and become a dictatorship much like what is now happening with insurance companies. Rush was also a tutor to Lewis of the famous lewis and clark expadition and a considerd a father in in the felid of theraputic horticulture
Funny you say that you love this country, you love its history, you accept our country as it is and yet you attack Southerners and claim they aren't American. What a fucking moron...
Cinj216 1 year ago
0:17 - "I love this nation"
not 60 seconds ago I watched you say "this country is a fuckin joke"
what merit do you expect your views to have if they change from video to video???
WVBoy25401 1 year ago
and im a christian i believe in God but christians on you tube need to learn pascifism, instead of trying to make ppl converted. i mean i love God but im not going to use history to convert others, i mean wtf....
snugkbye 2 years ago
strong video, and dude u have the coolest hair
snugkbye 2 years ago
Great stuff. Christianity is just one area in which people have no respect for the founders and thier ideas. Look at this past election? Both candidates hardly resemble a government that promotes liberty above all else. Thanks for the post man!
Liberty654 3 years ago
Good rant. The Christian theocrats really scares me.
LunchAnderson 3 years ago
Thanks trust me its scaring me to.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
@ZeroCoolCirca1982 lol it just pisses me off
crazygeek777 2 years ago
Yeah i definitely agreed with you. Keep up the good work. You will definitely get a good rating from me.
starkillerx1 3 years ago
Thank you for making this video. I agree with everything you said.
starkillerx1 3 years ago
Thanks
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
We live by the new testiment while learn also from the old testiment.
Bible contains 6-10000 years of history
darknight7002 3 years ago
10000 years of history? Well first no its not really history its stories passed down from generation to generation. Ever played a game called "telephone"? Its kinda like that. Its starts with truth but by the time you get the message its a completly differnet story.
Doesnt the bible say that the earth is only 6000 years old?
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
Christianity is Judaism the two are one faith.
Seriously you need to research really really hard before answering again because you are using your so called very recent understand of you alone single veiw to understand thousands and thousands of years of history.
darknight7002 3 years ago
You are delusional. Bus your ratinal so is islam. No they are not the same religion. They may belive in the same god but they belive in diffrent paths in finding him and hevean.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
No you haven't read the bible thats why you think that bible doesn't teach they are two seperate beliefs i've explained it well on my page go have a look.
darknight7002 3 years ago
Id rather not. Unlike most atheist or agnostics I came to the realiziation there is probably no god from studying history. I dont need to read the bible because I studied your history.
The bible can not be used to prove or diss prove god. Its justa book no facts. I can write a book too but that doesnt make the words I say true just like the words in your bible are not true.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
wait a minute, lol. you read history books and really found no evidence of God. ahaha. and then you actually do not read the bible but somehow a realization came to mind without a consideration of cross checking the text in the bible and history.lol this here zero is the evidence that you are a dumb ass. pliz e-mail me dude so i can school your ass. I am not a perfect example of a christian but i know how to research and i pray to God because that's why he died and rose from the dead for us.
manjumaru 3 years ago
idiot...
crazygeek777 2 years ago
Tell you what find me 10 people who would say the Judisim and christianity are the same religion. Go ahead Ill wait.
The only thing you have in common is the belief in the same god. Thats it. You have diffrent views on him for instance jews dont have a hell while christians do.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
stupid, they dont believe in a hell because they are God's chosen people. while the world was acting crazy and self indulgent like most of us, they responded to God's calling for repentance..
manjumaru 3 years ago
Jesus Christ is God are you for real, Jewish God is our God.
One God!
darknight7002 3 years ago
CHRISTIANITY key word christ as in jesus christ
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
lol Clearly you didnt read what i said.
And please don't delete comments if you want people to even entertain your ideas because thats against free speech and open discussion.
darknight7002 3 years ago
This is not a democracy. It is my personal page. I already stated I was tired of hearing comments without proof presented. And yes I didn't read the rest of that comment as I stated above
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
Shows how much you know about Christianity. LOL smiles.
This is all there is to Christianity.
Love Christ, Believe Christ, Accept Christ, Obey Christ.
Exclusive to Christianity.
Our belief stems from the Old testiment which was around since the time of Man.
Our faith was there from the start and we were believing what we believe when their existed only two groups. Jews/Christians vs Pagan
darknight7002 3 years ago
Oh my god are you kidding me? CHRISTianity How can you have a religion without christ? I wont even read the rest of that comment because it show YOU do not understand the word christian.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
In fact most laws damaging society are from Pagans etc and most in the scale of things are relatively new laws.
darknight7002 3 years ago
Give me examples of these good christian laws so I can show you that they where around well before christianity. Your religion set man back over 1000 years. For 1200 years christianity help to surpress knowledge and democracies.
My view is this belive in god fine, do good in his name great, live you life by his word sure, but live it at that. The bible is not a literal account of the history of man and voting on your religion is not democracy is theocracy
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
And all the moral laws of any western land are either Christian or have had Christian moral influence in bedded at some level with the exception of a few wicked laws such as allowing child slaughter more commonly know as abortions.
darknight7002 3 years ago
No they are not. I truly hate when people say that. Im sorry but man got a long just fine with thier law and morals before christianity. Almost everything in christianity is taken from other religions. Every story in the bible is stolen from another religion except those about jesus himself. Of course the muslims stole those stories from you.
What is a child? What is life? Why is it your right to decied who lives or dies? You are not thier creator are you?
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
This makes a person a Christian.
Church has only one veiw.
Love Christ, Believe Christ, Accept Christ, Obey Christ.
darknight7002 3 years ago
and that is why christians can not be good citizens. They can never respect the laws of the land or the rights or beliefs of others.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
You made a false statement.
We repect all people and all faith.
Want to see a people that respect nobody look at Islam and you will see the difference.
Atheists attack the Church more heavily than even Muslims do which makes no sense since we do not force our belief.
darknight7002 3 years ago
Im sorry when in history has christianity respected anyones faith. As far as i can tell islam its no better. I deal with christianity because its christians who opress me.
Abortion gay rights thats forcing your religion. A eye for a eye thats your religion. Look through history the more people seperate themselfs from the ancient beliefs of their religion the more knowledge is produced. Greek philosophers, renaissance, Founding of America science in general.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
Church groups have their different traditions which have little to do with Christianity more the culture the Church grew into.
However the Church is united.
All groups are united and stand as one.
darknight7002 3 years ago
united, not really. United agiasnt atheist and muslims sure. You cant be one when you do not have the ame views. Soms christians may call you a sinner and say you practice the wrong form of christianity. Just like you seem to think that about christians. If you where forced to live under catholic laws and had to worship the way they told you could you?
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
Americans are mostly decended from those groups.
darknight7002 3 years ago
No not any more. We are a nation built on imigration. The founding father where mostly English, but the founding fathers are not Americans of today just as if we go back in the history of you nation. Celts romans normans saxons your nationality has changed over time same as ours. Only differnce is we didn't get conquered and have our women raped liek you did.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
And yes Christian pilgrams also settled America quite right.
But the Christian English/British by far were the most powerful and largest group that settled America along with the Christian french and Christian Irish and Christian Spanish.
darknight7002 3 years ago
Settle down stop trying to change what you said. You said the founding fathers where catholics which isnt true. There where not that many catholics in the 13 colonies.
We need to establish if we are talknig about the USA or north and south american as a whole. Spanish south french north and west dutch in new york english north and east germany and russia far west. I know the history of this land very well. Are we talking about USA or not because pilgrams means New England
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
The Protestant faith your refering to was officially set up by Henry the 8th in form of the Church of England having said that Christianity in its original form existed long before.
darknight7002 3 years ago
LOL is that why he did that. Funny becasue when he was young he was a devote catholic and it wasnt until the church would not grant him a divorce that he began to look for another way. Great christian role model how many of his wifes did he kill? For what again oh thats right not giving him a son. And how many women did he sleep with outside of his many marriages?
Yes yes he was deffently speaking the word of god wasnt he lol. Brilliant ruler though
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
And its also worth noting that your American treason was based on greed and theft.
A true American in the full sense of the world is either a English Christian or Eurpean Christian.
Americans do not have a history .. lol my house is older than your entire so called history!
darknight7002 3 years ago
Wow where are you from? Greed and theft? Show me? Seems you like to hear yourself talk but can you show any proof for any of your backwards claims? Funny what you think a american is, do me a favor go look up treaty of tripoli article 11 for me. As far as our history how bout the fact the for the first time in Human history power of one goverment changed hands from one person to another without that person being a relative or any loss of life. Can your house do that?
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
The founding fathers were Catholics thrown out of England for holding to pagan Catholic traditions such as praying to idols and images and statues.
But they still believed in Jesus Christ.
And that alone makes somebody a Christian and still had Christian values.
darknight7002 3 years ago
What the hell are you talking about? First the founding fathers didn't leave England thats the pilgrams you idiot. Second the pilgrams where protestants not catholics. Third there was only one catholic founding father. Fourth no most the founding fathers did not believe in jesus christ they believed in god there is a differnece. Five you sect of christianity is no older then 500 years while catholics have been around for 1900 years. Six do you know who founded your protestant religion?
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
Your providing a distorted veiw of the truth.
My version of Christianity is the original form before the Catholic church was even formed.
Catholic Church was formed when the Romans decided to stop killing Christians and adopt our values and teaching but they did so while still keeping their old pagan traditions and mixed the two groups.
My Christianity is roughly around 2000 years old!
darknight7002 3 years ago
How is it distorted. I have this policy about maknig stupid claims like that and not backing them up. I simply remove the comments.
Your christianity is 2000 years old. So you are right and millions of other christians are wrong? How do you know your form of christianity is the right one? There are many differnet forms of protestant christianty. are you a quaker? luthren? prespaterian?
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
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Get a life, moron.
TECHKLEC 3 years ago
All Christians branches hold the same core value ..
Love Christ, Believe Christ, Accept Christ, Obey Christ.
Anything else is an added man made tradition most of which usually distracts from the truth of scripture.
Some traditions are nice though such as Christmas.
darknight7002 3 years ago
well, it's apperent we are not going to agree on your reconstruction of history.
but I have to ask, how much did you spend on that haircut of yours?
redwine65 3 years ago
Lol my reconstruction of history. Thats funny because you have still yet to show me incorrect statments or quotes that I have used but I found a few that you used that I can prove are not true. Until you can admit you made a few mistakes or show me that I have made them I will not waste my time with you.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
of the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 29 were Anglicans, 16-18 were Calvinists, and among the rest were 2 Methodists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 lapsed Quaker-sometimes Anglican, and only 1 open Deist.
glad to help
redwine65 3 years ago
Waka waka waka Im done with you. If you are just gonig to pull crap of christian websites without checking the facts then you are wasting my time. You logic is flawed. You are looking at what they where born into and not what they practiced. By your logic I am not agnostic but a catholic. Doesnt matter that I do not believe in god I was born catholic right? I really do pitty your ignorance.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
well before you get slobbering at the mouth,might I suggest you crack open a couple history books,and learn something.
you just a youngster yet, so I won't trade juvinile insults.but hope you open your eyes a lil more.have a good day
redwine65 3 years ago
You keep telling me to open history books and educate myself on our history but it has been you that has put up false quotes. You havent found one error in anything I have posted but I can PROVE the errors in your post. I think anyone reading these comments regardless of what side of the fence they are on can see I put honest accurate quotes up. Beyond that I actually read the full accounts from wich the quotes where pulled. You miss quoted people and put quotes that where neversaid.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
The Thomas Jefferson quote with no refferance, and the miss quote of Adams and Madison. It shows you did not research anything you have posted. You simple grabed them and took them as truths. I guess thats what your religion teachs. not to question anything. Thankfully our founding fathers did not think like you. They told us to question organized religion and to question our goverment. As a matter of fact they told us it was our duty as Americans to do this.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
The three branches of the U.S. Government: Judicial, Legislative, Executive
• At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, James Madison proposed the plan to divide the central government into three branches. He discovered this model of government from the Perfect Governor, as he read Isaiah 33:22;
"For the LORD is our judge,
the LORD is our lawgiver,
the LORD is our king;
He will save us."
redwine65 3 years ago
Just further shows your ignorance of not just our history but world history. Baron de Montesquieu thats all im gonig to say about that look him up. redwine I have to ask do you take the time to read any of these documents, letters and a speachs in full or do you just find the quotes on christian website and assume that they are correct? Its really sad. For every pro christian quote you find I will find 20 anti christian quotes by the founding fathers. Try as you might you cant change history.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
Where learned they those immortal principles of the rights of man, of human liberty, equality and self-government, on which they based their Republic, and which form today the distinctive glory of our American civilization ? In the school of Calvin they learned them. There the modern world learned them. So history teaches.
redwine65 3 years ago
Redwine! You, Sir, are so god damn annoying, narrow minded and pathetic, it's almost beyond comprehension. In fact, if you are more than 18 years old, it disturbs me greatly that you are legally allowed to vote for public office.
superdawg1984 3 years ago
Hopefully the rest of the nation isn't so dimwitted to vote in John McCain. Which will be your only other choice by the way.
superdawg1984 3 years ago
Oh and redwine, putting a Christian in charge of our government no more makes it pleasing to God than putting a Christian in charge of the local strip joint would make it pleasing to God. Applying Christian principles to either would radically alter both entities!!!
superdawg1984 3 years ago
dog, what are you babbeling on about?
John Jay:(first supreme court justice)
" Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." Source: October 12, 1816. The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, Henry P. Johnston, ed., (New York: Burt Franklin, 1970), Vol. IV, p. 393.
redwine65 3 years ago
Yea thats a great guy. Did ya read up on him at all. He must be your hero. I guess there is a reason why that someone as accomplished as he was never thought of for president. maybe it was the fact that he didnt believe in equality or maybe the fact he tried to make it illegal for catholics to hold public office. I cant disput this though that was his feelings and for once you put a accurate quote up. I guess i should say good job for that.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
Where did we learn those lesson? Is that what your asking? Well it wasnt the bible. Common law for one which was around well before christianity. Self govement is not a christian idea The republic is not christian.
Im not really sure how to respond to this becasue I dint totally understand the question you put forth. Can you please refrase it for me?
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
Justice Joseph Story
[appointed by President James Madison--served from Feb 3, 1812 -- Sept 10, 1845]
"I verily believe Christianity necessary to the support of civil society. One of the beautiful boasts of
our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law. . . There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying its foundations."
[Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States; and 1829 speech at Harvard]
redwine65 3 years ago
I just hope you would please study history more, thats all
redwine65 3 years ago
Now your pissing me off. I alread told you that Adams was a christian so why you are using his quotes is beyond me there is no debate there. Same with Sam Adams I never tried to claim either where diest. I am also sick of you editing quotes to make them fit your ideas. You post a quote i show how its full a shit you dont debate it becasue you know it is so you go find somemore bullshit quotes. TREATY OF TRIPOLI signed by ADAMS clearly state we are not founded on the christian religion. Art 11
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
don't get pissed, get educated on the subject your talking about.then I might respect you.
George Washington: Before taking his oath of office, he summoned a Bible on which to take the oath, added the words "So help me God!" to the end of the oath, then leaned over and kissed the Bible.
redwine65 3 years ago
Get educated? I have put up 100% accurate quotes from our founding fathers you have not and you dare to tell me to get educated? WASHINGTON NEVER SAID THAT!!!! You make me sick. Do some fucking research. Do you have any idea why you think washinton said that? Because a a writer 60 years after the event wrote it Second He was 6 at the time and could not have heard single word washington said washington spoke to softly. A french diploamt recored the whole inauguration those word where never said.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
Study history more huh? Well lets see every quote I have used is on the Libary of Congress and can be check and verified. Now lets look at some of your quotes. Well we have one where you incorrelty quoted two men who where not at the event in which you speak. Oh and then we have a made up quote which you can not find anywhere becasue the man never said it.
I need to study history? Can you show me one incorrect statment I have made. Oh no you can't huh but yea I need to study history your a joke
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
Your just a troller you havn't been able to dispute in of my correction have you? Or found any mistakes in my quotes? But I need to get educated in our history. I truly hoope you say this just to get a rise out of me and not becasue you actually believe it. If it is for the rise then a spit at you if not then I pitty you.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
Patrick Henry:
"Orator of the Revolution."
"It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]
"The Bible is worth all other books which have ever been printed."
redwine65 3 years ago
John Quincy Adams:
"Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day [the Fourth of July]?" "Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior?
redwine65 3 years ago
Samuel Adams:" He who made all men hath made the truths necessary to human happiness obvious to all... Our forefathers opened the Bible to all." [ "American Independence," August 1, 1776. Speech delivered at the State House in Philadelphia]
redwine65 3 years ago
You would think that devout Christians would be horrified at the fact that so many are trying to pull God into this nation. America is a human institution and was not divinely created...and to believe it was and to believe our leaders are divinely appointed is going against the 2nd commandment. Sadly, religion is all a bunch of contradiction.
freakpride46 3 years ago
Yea I can't understand christian viws about our founding fathers. they seem to disregard eveything they ever wrote and insted try to reinturpet it like they do their bible. It truly is a slap in the face of those who gave them the right to practice that religion freely.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
Great Video.
GravityofReality 3 years ago
Thanks!
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
EVEN IF America was founded by Christian leaders that wanted to instill Christian law and whatever, there's a little something called CHANGE! PROGRESS! Nothing should remain the same forever. Or just because it was said or done in the past doesn't mean we should continue to do it. Great video. I love people getting angry.
sthebg20 3 years ago
maybe you should have listen to my video. If you had you would have heard me say Adams was a adament christian a true believer.
Also you are not clever by using that statment. I am no fool and I know where you got that quote. That was never siad by those men. It was said by Rev. Clark or Deacon Parker but nice try. Maybe you should actually research things insted of pulling them of christian websites. Want a link to the story where you got your quote?
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
John Adams and John Hancock:
We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]
redwine65 3 years ago
Fake quotes get no play here. maybe you should read the real story. Then you and others would know that Both hancock and adams had left lexington before major pircairn had arived. Why you think they said this was the fact that they where at the mans house who did say it and through errors people have credited adams and hancock but the historical records show that they had left as to not be captured. read the accounts of the men that where there
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
When Cornwallis was driven back to ultimate retreat and surrender at Yorktown, all of the colonels of the Colonial Army but one were Presbyterian elders. More than one-half of all the soldiers and officers of the American Army during the Revolution were Presbyterians.
redwine65 3 years ago
And? Yeah, there were a bunch of Christians here during the revolution. How surprising. What is your point?
devikkyrn 3 years ago
Yea what is your point? No one said thier where not manny people who practiced forms of christian faith. This vid is about the founding father not the patriots who fought in the war. I respect the every man and woman who sacrificed for us to have this nation but this vid was not about all of them just the select few we call our founding fathers.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?" --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XVIII, 1782. ME 2:227
redwine65 3 years ago
Ok you didnt watch my vid because you would have heard me say that that Jefferson used god a lot becasue he was a DEIST He did not believe in christianity but did believe in a god and creator. This is the view of about half the founding fathers including Franklin Paine Washington Rush. Look up what diest means
"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on
man..." Jefferson letters to William Short
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
The evidence of [the] natural right [of expatriation], like that of our right to life, liberty, the use of our faculties, the pursuit of happiness, is not left to the feeble and sophistical investigations of reason, but is impressed on the sense of every man. We do not claim these under the charters of kings or legislators, but under the King of Kings." --Thomas Jefferson to John Manners, 1817. ME 15:124
redwine65 3 years ago
I didn't see christ in that quote anywhere. How do you know he wasnt speaking of god. Oh because your naturally assuming that because jesus called himself this. If a muslim was reffering to the king of kings would he not be speaking of alah
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
Thomas Jefferson: "The reason that
Christianity is the best friend of government
is because Christianity is the only religion
that changes the heart."
redwine65 3 years ago
You did not just use that quote did you. He never said that quote which is why as hard you try you will never find the date of which he wrote this letter, to who he wrote the letter to or a copy of this writting. Give me a break thats just sad.
You probably feel real stupid that ever quote you have put up I have been able to rebutle or prove was not said by then men you claim said it. Yet all of my quotes can be check in the libary of congress. Hmmm christian morality and hoenstly?
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
In Benjamin Franklin's 1749 plan of education for public schools in Pennsylvania, he insisted that schools teach "the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern."
redwine65 3 years ago
"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on
man... Jefferson.
This is a much better quote to use to support your case. To bad the rest of the letter states the he feels that christians are not christian, that practing superstition is not the teaching of jesus and that the real teaching is freedom knowledge and helping your fellow man
I am for freedom of religion & against all maneuvres to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another TF to E Gerry 1799
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
John Adams:"I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere, my straightened means, and my busy life, would allow; and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the libraries I have seen." December 25, 1813 letter to Thomas Jefferson
redwine65 3 years ago
George Washington:" It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible."
To the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian" [May 2, 1778, at Valley Forge]
redwine65 3 years ago
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever." (excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital)
redwine65 3 years ago
Why would you put this quote up? DIEST!!!! Believing in a god does not mean you believe in christ. No one said Jefferson did not believe in a god, reading his writing you can see that.The fact is he was not a christian. Its ignorant to think that the word god can only mean jesus christ. Come on bring me something worth my time. I already told you that you would find most of his quotes with god now find me some with christ. Oh ya cant becasue he didnt belive in christianity.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
Sweet lord you didnt watch my vid. I never claimed that Adams was a diest in fact I said quite clearly that he was a adament christian. Now go find me some quotes of Adams where he says that America should live by Christ laws. Go ahead Ill wait.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
acctually , you stated most of the founding fathers were deists, then you proceded to just point out jefferson and paine, Im just trying to educate you more on the subject, than your liberal arts professor has.I guess I would only ask where you suppose beiief in "God" came from.
redwine65 3 years ago
Just Jefferson and Paine? How bout Washington, Franklin, Ethan Allen, Madision and Rush? I don't know if you just dont read what I write or if you mind just picks and chooses what it wants to see. Why did I use Jeffreson and Paine? Well simple because you where using Jefferson so I had to rebutle with Jefferson. I use Paine becasue it was his idea that sparked the revolution. How are you going to tell me your educating me when I have owned every quote you have tried to use?
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
your getting a bit loud towards the end there ;0) 5 *****
BEX27EYH 3 years ago
lol I know I started to get angry grrrrr
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
Jesus VS Founding Fathers
who will you choose?
BeMyBro 3 years ago
Well considering I know the founding fathers where real (I know jesus was real I mean his divinity) and the founding fathers gave me a great free nation to live in and thier ideas are less violent and hatefull then jesus not to mention the freedom their ideas brought to other nations. Yea I will go with the founding fathers. They also did not believe in jesus christ as lord and savior so hey atleast if im wrong I will have some great company to share hell with.
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
Choose is a strong word and thats the point of this video. Forcing christian lawes on this nation strips us of our ability to choose. It strips us of a degree of freedom. Try to think of how you would feel if muslims all of a sudden became the dominant religion of this country. You would sure want religious freedom and seperation of chruch and state then wouldn't you? We owe it to the men that gave us this nation to remember their words
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago
Thanks. You should check out Paines pamphlet Common Sense. Another great patriot that has been forgotten is Benjamin Rush. Mr Rush said that we should have freedom of medicine just like religion. he aurgued that without it medicine would organize and become a dictatorship much like what is now happening with insurance companies. Rush was also a tutor to Lewis of the famous lewis and clark expadition and a considerd a father in in the felid of theraputic horticulture
ZeroCoolCirca1982 3 years ago