if ur hachem, moon, moneymaker, cada or gold then please do not discuss poker with me. you guys all won the wsop through luck and dirty suckouts. pius heinz however is world class and desserved to win all day long. donks donks donks, why do they win!?
poker is a game of skill yet he doesnt play poker for a living. yea rite. sooner or later no matter how good you are you will get burnt. he just advertises poker as a skill so many donks can buy books and learn about poker, get addicted to poker and watch poker all day every day.
@IMKINDASHY611 Doesnt play poker for a living? Maybe you should google 'Mike Sexton'. And you're right, the longer you play poker, doesn't matter how good you are, you will 'get burnt' by bad luck, as you put it. But, one of the 'good decisions' pros make, is making sure that the bad luck doesn't claim their entire bankroll when it does come, and in the long run, good players will make money, as Mike was trying to explain.
@scrabbledwarf it is definitely possible to go on a bad run of cards for several months and not have the bankroll to withstand the variance... also during these times of losing it's more difficult to keep playing well which can add to the problem. Yet if you're able to beat the game and stakes you're playing over the long run and make the correct winning decisions you should be a winning player. Chk out
@PostOakBluff yeah if the person in question is playing like 1 table. Thats why volume is so important to make consistent money. Going on a bad run for months when your multitabling like 12-16 tbles is almost impossible
I do know percentages, and I do know KK vs 44 willl win 4 out of 5 times. However, the stuff that's only supposed to happen the minority of the time was happening to me every time in the last month. As for "eventually" making my money back. This works in theory, but in reality if one goes on a bad run that's long enough, your bankroll can be decimated, *even* with proper bankroll management. You may say I just got super unlucky -- but that's my point: poker is about luck.
@scrabbledwarf Obviously if someone runs bad enough for a long enough time....they will be broke. But the fact is, this isnt gonna happen nearly as often as you make it sound if you are TRULY using good bankroll management. The problem is, once people hear poker is a skill game, they suddenly think that they have the skill + knowledge. No.
The garbage in my comments below happened to me 3 weeks in a row, over the course of less than 150 hands. Yeah, bad beats happen, but they've happened to me far too frequently to make me believe that there is any skill in this game. Anyone who tells you there is skill to this game is fooled by the luck they've been having, or they want you to join their website.
@scrabbledwarf u obviously know nothin bout percentages over time. everyone has bad beats but if u consistently play KK vs 44 u will win 4 out of 5 times if u play this hand many times. therefore over time poker pays off if u know wat ure doing. we all have bad runs, but playin well means eventually ull have a good run and make ure money back and more. its no luck when the same players keep winning wsop bracelets consistently. think about it mate.
Another example of luck: I made a moderate size flush on the turn. Villain pushes nearly all-in. I reraise all-in, thought he had called (he hadn't) and turn over my cards to show him the flush. He humms and hahs, then turns over two-pair and calls my all-in despite being crushed (it was a break-even call at best when considering pot odds). He makes a full house on the river.
Another example: I hit trips on the flop. Villain pushes all in with an over pair and then rivers a bigger set.
Definitely a game of luck. After a month long string of bad beats playing live at my local casino, I absolutely have no doubt this is a game of luck. One example:
Raise 3x BB with KK. Player on the button pushes all in. I call. He sighs and sheepishly turns over 44. Hits a 4 on the river to make a set.
thats bullshit poker is definitly not a skill game its all about luck man
i play my hands perfect all the time and the one or two cards in teh deck that will kill me always fall i mean i never get a suckout, maybe im just really unlucky but i quit this game now even tho i love it hurts to quit but i have too cuz im just a born loser some people are born lucky and they would do good at this game, tonight i played at the taj aces cracked by jacks, all in with queens guy calls with ak and hits a k
In baseball, you could make the right pitch at the right time, deliver it perfectly, pinpoint its intended location and be assured that it will produce the desired results, whether it be a strikeout, ground ball or pop-up. Sometimes, however, the batter makes contact with the ball for a blooper or even sneaks past the infield. The pitcher did everything right, but shit happens. Same goes with poker, just stick to your gameplan and you'll grow as a player.
haha ok, im a pretty good poker player but luck is involved, here's an example
playin a cash game have about 220 in front of me i hold jack king suited in my hand, the flop comes ace, queen, 10 all different suits, i flop broadway i check two people bet 20 i raise to 60 one idiot calls, next card is a 10, now im thinking ace 10? i bet anyway god bless him if he has ace 10...60 again he calls , next card 10, i check he flips over ace 8....so dont give me that shit poker is skill, mostly luck
haha ok, im a pretty good poker player but luck is involved, here's an example
playin a cash game have about 220 in front of me i hold jack king suited in my hand, the flop comes ace, queen, 10 all different suits, i flop broadway i check two people bet 20 i raise to 60 one idiot calls, next card is a 10, now im thinking ace 10? i bet anyway god bless him if he has ace 10...60 again he calls , next card 10, i check he flips over ace 8....so dont give me that shit poker is skill, mostly luck
@Broccoli29 Your looking at one hand specifically. If you think that poker is a game where it all depends on one hand then im sorry but u dont understand poker. Like it says in this interview poker is about the game over time, u know that unlucky hand u where in? the same thing will happen to your opponent over time. but the winnings player will know how to loose the least amount in that hand, or by god realise that poker is not about how well u play ur hand but how well u play ur opponent.
@Broccoli29 of course its about luck if you cant play it. but when you can play it you get better at it and it takes skill to beat the professionals. of course, like you said, luck is involved but its not only luck. you need luck to get good hands but skill to win with bad hands.
@Alceste1977 And this is why poker is not a skill game. What other "skill" game can you think of where players purposely want to compete against 'bad' players? None. Chess, Tennis, whatever game that actually requires skill that you can think of -- players always challenge themselves by trying to compete with other good players. But with poker, it's always about "proper table selection" and finding the "fish". Being able to find a guy willing to take a long-shot doesn't mean you're skilled.
@scrabbledwarf Finding a game with the type of players that you can beat easiest is part of the skill. How can you say that poker players dont challenge them selves like chess and tennis players? what do you think going up in stakes does?
@scrabbledwarf u find idiots so u can win a shit load of money u dont win money in a random chess game unless its some tourney but pokers unique cause u win cash every time u play
@scrabbledwarf whether a poker player desires his opponents to evolve or not is irrelevant, because players will improve or stay the same independent of other's desires. I think Sexton's point here is just that you can prove that there is a skill factor by pitting "skilled" players against "unskilled" and recording the outcome. I have a group of friends that have been playing for about 5 years, we constantly challenge ourselves, sometimes together sometimes individually.
i have been playing for 50 years now, i have been on a bad streak for 45 years how long till me hands acctualy hold up ? :( i put me money in 99% in good at still lose ?? what do i do now ? :(
@levenen - Learn to spell? Learn that you couldn't have been playing for 50 years when you're only 37? Learn to actually play poker properly? Get a fucking clue?
@levenen stop playing because you obviously have no clue what you are doing, or playing against people who read you like a book, or wear your cards on your face, so to speak. if you have been on a bad losing streak for 45 years, you should have quit playing 43 years ago. it's just not your game, try UNO or something, maybe checkers. poker isn't for you pops
if ur hachem, moon, moneymaker, cada or gold then please do not discuss poker with me. you guys all won the wsop through luck and dirty suckouts. pius heinz however is world class and desserved to win all day long. donks donks donks, why do they win!?
weatherallc05 1 week ago
Lets set up a little poker game whoever doesnt think its skill!
sneak108 1 month ago
Skill over Luck.... I was right.... Thank you!
MisfitPhobia 2 months ago
poker is a game of skill yet he doesnt play poker for a living. yea rite. sooner or later no matter how good you are you will get burnt. he just advertises poker as a skill so many donks can buy books and learn about poker, get addicted to poker and watch poker all day every day.
IMKINDASHY611 6 months ago
@IMKINDASHY611 Doesnt play poker for a living? Maybe you should google 'Mike Sexton'. And you're right, the longer you play poker, doesn't matter how good you are, you will 'get burnt' by bad luck, as you put it. But, one of the 'good decisions' pros make, is making sure that the bad luck doesn't claim their entire bankroll when it does come, and in the long run, good players will make money, as Mike was trying to explain.
freddii89 2 months ago
and so is baccarat and blackjack.... trololololol
gaminkalv 8 months ago
If I may Quote Stevie Wonder And Stevie Ray Vaughan at the same time...
When you Believe in things, that you don't understand, you suffer...Poker is a game of skill . thank you
LectroidPlatypus144 10 months ago
Well said Mike.
ChriSquared00 10 months ago
@scrabbledwarf it is definitely possible to go on a bad run of cards for several months and not have the bankroll to withstand the variance... also during these times of losing it's more difficult to keep playing well which can add to the problem. Yet if you're able to beat the game and stakes you're playing over the long run and make the correct winning decisions you should be a winning player. Chk out
PostOakBluff 11 months ago
@PostOakBluff yeah if the person in question is playing like 1 table. Thats why volume is so important to make consistent money. Going on a bad run for months when your multitabling like 12-16 tbles is almost impossible
itssimpleiwinyoulose 1 month ago
I do know percentages, and I do know KK vs 44 willl win 4 out of 5 times. However, the stuff that's only supposed to happen the minority of the time was happening to me every time in the last month. As for "eventually" making my money back. This works in theory, but in reality if one goes on a bad run that's long enough, your bankroll can be decimated, *even* with proper bankroll management. You may say I just got super unlucky -- but that's my point: poker is about luck.
scrabbledwarf 11 months ago
@scrabbledwarf Obviously if someone runs bad enough for a long enough time....they will be broke. But the fact is, this isnt gonna happen nearly as often as you make it sound if you are TRULY using good bankroll management. The problem is, once people hear poker is a skill game, they suddenly think that they have the skill + knowledge. No.
ChriSquared00 10 months ago
The garbage in my comments below happened to me 3 weeks in a row, over the course of less than 150 hands. Yeah, bad beats happen, but they've happened to me far too frequently to make me believe that there is any skill in this game. Anyone who tells you there is skill to this game is fooled by the luck they've been having, or they want you to join their website.
scrabbledwarf 11 months ago
@scrabbledwarf u obviously know nothin bout percentages over time. everyone has bad beats but if u consistently play KK vs 44 u will win 4 out of 5 times if u play this hand many times. therefore over time poker pays off if u know wat ure doing. we all have bad runs, but playin well means eventually ull have a good run and make ure money back and more. its no luck when the same players keep winning wsop bracelets consistently. think about it mate.
mattdoubleu1 11 months ago
Another example of luck: I made a moderate size flush on the turn. Villain pushes nearly all-in. I reraise all-in, thought he had called (he hadn't) and turn over my cards to show him the flush. He humms and hahs, then turns over two-pair and calls my all-in despite being crushed (it was a break-even call at best when considering pot odds). He makes a full house on the river.
Another example: I hit trips on the flop. Villain pushes all in with an over pair and then rivers a bigger set.
scrabbledwarf 11 months ago
Definitely a game of luck. After a month long string of bad beats playing live at my local casino, I absolutely have no doubt this is a game of luck. One example:
Raise 3x BB with KK. Player on the button pushes all in. I call. He sighs and sheepishly turns over 44. Hits a 4 on the river to make a set.
scrabbledwarf 11 months ago
thats bullshit poker is definitly not a skill game its all about luck man
i play my hands perfect all the time and the one or two cards in teh deck that will kill me always fall i mean i never get a suckout, maybe im just really unlucky but i quit this game now even tho i love it hurts to quit but i have too cuz im just a born loser some people are born lucky and they would do good at this game, tonight i played at the taj aces cracked by jacks, all in with queens guy calls with ak and hits a k
Broccoli29 11 months ago
In baseball, you could make the right pitch at the right time, deliver it perfectly, pinpoint its intended location and be assured that it will produce the desired results, whether it be a strikeout, ground ball or pop-up. Sometimes, however, the batter makes contact with the ball for a blooper or even sneaks past the infield. The pitcher did everything right, but shit happens. Same goes with poker, just stick to your gameplan and you'll grow as a player.
smo699 1 year ago
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haha ok, im a pretty good poker player but luck is involved, here's an example
playin a cash game have about 220 in front of me i hold jack king suited in my hand, the flop comes ace, queen, 10 all different suits, i flop broadway i check two people bet 20 i raise to 60 one idiot calls, next card is a 10, now im thinking ace 10? i bet anyway god bless him if he has ace 10...60 again he calls , next card 10, i check he flips over ace 8....so dont give me that shit poker is skill, mostly luck
Broccoli29 1 year ago
haha ok, im a pretty good poker player but luck is involved, here's an example
playin a cash game have about 220 in front of me i hold jack king suited in my hand, the flop comes ace, queen, 10 all different suits, i flop broadway i check two people bet 20 i raise to 60 one idiot calls, next card is a 10, now im thinking ace 10? i bet anyway god bless him if he has ace 10...60 again he calls , next card 10, i check he flips over ace 8....so dont give me that shit poker is skill, mostly luck
Broccoli29 1 year ago
@Broccoli29 Your looking at one hand specifically. If you think that poker is a game where it all depends on one hand then im sorry but u dont understand poker. Like it says in this interview poker is about the game over time, u know that unlucky hand u where in? the same thing will happen to your opponent over time. but the winnings player will know how to loose the least amount in that hand, or by god realise that poker is not about how well u play ur hand but how well u play ur opponent.
P4k4er 1 year ago
@Broccoli29 of course its about luck if you cant play it. but when you can play it you get better at it and it takes skill to beat the professionals. of course, like you said, luck is involved but its not only luck. you need luck to get good hands but skill to win with bad hands.
BeppeOwnage 1 year ago
i agree! poker rules!!!
ceedee 1 year ago
thank you guys! im not english :( you guys are very rude on here :(
levenen 1 year ago
I am sorry but if you guys are genuinely good players why would you ever want bad players to stop being bad or quit; don't tap the tank.
Alceste1977 1 year ago
@Alceste1977 AMEN!
BlitzHitz 1 year ago
@Alceste1977 And this is why poker is not a skill game. What other "skill" game can you think of where players purposely want to compete against 'bad' players? None. Chess, Tennis, whatever game that actually requires skill that you can think of -- players always challenge themselves by trying to compete with other good players. But with poker, it's always about "proper table selection" and finding the "fish". Being able to find a guy willing to take a long-shot doesn't mean you're skilled.
scrabbledwarf 1 year ago
@scrabbledwarf Finding a game with the type of players that you can beat easiest is part of the skill. How can you say that poker players dont challenge them selves like chess and tennis players? what do you think going up in stakes does?
boylston1276 1 year ago
@scrabbledwarf u find idiots so u can win a shit load of money u dont win money in a random chess game unless its some tourney but pokers unique cause u win cash every time u play
adamo36532 1 year ago
@scrabbledwarf whether a poker player desires his opponents to evolve or not is irrelevant, because players will improve or stay the same independent of other's desires. I think Sexton's point here is just that you can prove that there is a skill factor by pitting "skilled" players against "unskilled" and recording the outcome. I have a group of friends that have been playing for about 5 years, we constantly challenge ourselves, sometimes together sometimes individually.
stoneczar 1 year ago
i have been playing for 50 years now, i have been on a bad streak for 45 years how long till me hands acctualy hold up ? :( i put me money in 99% in good at still lose ?? what do i do now ? :(
levenen 1 year ago
@levenen - Learn to spell? Learn that you couldn't have been playing for 50 years when you're only 37? Learn to actually play poker properly? Get a fucking clue?
Just some suggestions.
Good interview here by Mike btw.
ElPeejerino 1 year ago
@levenen stop playing because you obviously have no clue what you are doing, or playing against people who read you like a book, or wear your cards on your face, so to speak. if you have been on a bad losing streak for 45 years, you should have quit playing 43 years ago. it's just not your game, try UNO or something, maybe checkers. poker isn't for you pops
slowgrindcity 1 year ago
True.
UndercoverLdn 1 year ago