Peter Brimelow of VDare on How Republican Party Has to be More White

[yak6ex]

Are we talking about immigration or illegal immigration?

[khattamshud]

Brimelow is right. Non-white immigrants (like these Turks here) are far too caught up in their resentment and hatred of white people to ever become true conservatives.

[awsumpossum1]

@khattamshud go away retard

[daniel15671]

I really don't see why it matters whether there will be more or less white people in America at any given point in time. Unless, of course, if this means that white people won't rule the world any more, but will have to share the power and wealth with others.

[TsugaC]

@daniel15671 Part One:

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Because culture is linked to race, that's why. And the majority of every non-Christian, non-white population in the USA vote for "progressive" candidates who despise true liberty and encourage dependency upon the government. Percentage-wise, blacks are in the low 90s, Arabs, Jews and Asians are in the 80s, and Hispanics vote for "progressives" in the mid-60s to low 70s. These people do not support liberty; rather, they endorse government tyranny.

[TsugaC]

@daniel15671 Part Two:

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"WE ALL DECLARE FOR LIBERTY; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men's labor." This quotation is continued in Part Three of my response.

[TsugaC]

@daniel15671 Part Three:

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"Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name----liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names----liberty and tyranny."

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-----Abraham Lincoln, 1864

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Western Civilization is the highest expression of liberty and freedom throughout human history and the USA is the highest expression of Western Civilization and WHITE people created them both.

[daniel15671]

@TsugaC

That's quite a dogmatic assertion, and one that many non-white people might question. Rightfully so, I might add.

[TsugaC]

@daniel15671 Dogmatic?  Hundreds of millions of yellow, brown, and black people want emmigrate from their countries into white, Western countries while comparatively few whites want to reciprocate. Despite the ravings of the likes of the late Howard Zinn, a confirmed Marxist and vituperative anti-American, the West in general and the USA in particular retain their powerful allure for non-Christian, non-white immigrants. The reasons for this are neither accidental nor dogma.

[daniel15671]

@TsugaC

Speaking of "ravings", ...

You respond with even more dogmatic assertions.

There are quite a few good things about the U.S. There are also some terrible things present in American culture, and the White Supremist attitude is one of the ugliest of those.

To say that the USA is the "highest expression of western Civilization" and that "White people created them both" is a highly dogmatic assertion.

"Hundreds of millions"? Can you document that with real statistics, please?

[TsugaC]

@daniel15671 You'd have to do a Nexus search for surveys done in India back in the '90s to find it, but I recall reading in The Detroit News of a survey taken in India that revealed that around 160 million Indians would accept the opportunity to emigrate to the USA if given the opportunity. If that many people from one country want to come here, I'm sure that a worldwide total in the hundreds of millions is in the ballpark.  When you're living on less than $5 per day... Peace. :-)

[missyouhoo]

shouldn't we just try to attract voters regardless of race? I mean damn do have to wait for a wipeout of every1 born prior to 2008?

[aldoreshgaramok]

I am astonished that Cenk had Peter on his show.

Perhaps Cenk isn't as much of a tool as I thought. And he didn't use the dreaded "r" word as much as I was anticipating.

It was actually a semi-intelligent discussion! Bravo for the marketplace of ideas!

(Oh, and yeah, power to Brimelow. Preach it!)

[knightschwartz]

In 2040-2050 70% plus of whites will vote for the GOP cause they will see the consquences of mass immigration, affirmative action. The Democratic Party will be known as the minority party and the GOP will be the de facto white party though latinos and asians will jump aboard when the minority led Democrats fail (when the Sharptons take over it).

[knightschwartz]

I find it hilarious that Cenk tries to talk down to Brimelow implying that "most exsperts think that growing inequality has nothing to do with immigration". Ofcourse, as Brimelow points out Cenk and most liberals and neocons never think about politically incorrect issues like immigration at all. Even Krugman admits immigration has depressed wages. Cenk talks like an arrogant jerk.

[NoPawn]

Last night, the exit polls showed that out of all the racial groups polled, Whites were the only ones who voted in the majority for Republicans.

[sanfermusic]

this idiot Brimelow is himself an immigrant! He was born in Cheshire, England and came to America like the people he wants to deport. Althouth it's possible that he didn't come here illegaly, the moron also opposes legal immigration. He does not like naturalized citizens or resident aliens. How dare he... what a hypocrite!!

[foolcow1976]

@sanfermusic I think you're conflating white immigrants with non-white immigrants, which misses the whole point.

[GorterPoss]

@sanfermusic I'm not necessarily enthralled with Brimelow, but I think his argument is that large scale immigration, irrespective of origin, is not a good long term policy. It sure is ironic coming from the immigrant Brimelow, but that should not ipso facto invalidate his argument. To wit, the last person to get onto a lifeboat that has dangerously exceed its capacity can still legitimately argue against the lifeboat taking on more passengers.

[Craigbe]

I can't help but notice that many people of mixed-races sure seem eager to make sure that EVERYONE ELSE will ALSO be of mixed-races..?

[kilija383]

I agree with you. I wish more people thought like Peter Brimelow. If everyone had as much balls as him this country might not be doomed. As it is I think the united states will turn into a banana republic. It is a tragedy

[SpiralUp1]

VDARE I couldn't find you on the Apple Podcast MP3 players but the SPLC site was there.

[jaroncreed]

he looks kind of like Donald Trump lol

[banonKING]

"Why is it we have 50 million unemployed and 8 million illegal immigrants in this country..."

Okkay fine.... so what about the other 42 million people who are unemployed in this courty!? That's still 42 million jobs that would need to be created, even if we kick out every single illegal immigrant.

[junkyardmonkie]

I'm confused. He was just complaining about illegal AND legal immigrants coming into the US.

He sounds British, so is he telling us he wants to go home to Britain? Doesn't he have a job here?

[krustacean99]

He likes white immigrants.

[twk373]

Who doesn't?

[kilija383]

Ultimately the United States will be better off if most of it's immigrants came from northern europe

[junkyardmonkie]

It's funny you say that because I just made a comment somewhere else making the opposite point.

I don't want to be too presumptuous, but from your statement I gather that you are probably of European decent. People who use words to prove cultural superiority show their xenophobia (fear of strangers) to everyone.

We fear most what we do not understand. As a grad in biology, I know there are no real differences b/t races. The largest diff is culture, and as a defense mech. we shy from those diff

[kilija383]

It is possible to dislike something without being scarec of it. I don't think xenophobia is a good word to use though because even northern european immigrants would be strangers to me. I don't think it is true that we "fear most what we don't understand". I think I know what will happen to the United States if current immigration trends continue. I would hate to see it happen. As for the od canard that there are no real differences between races, it's a simply not true

[junkyardmonkie]

I'm glad you pointed out that comment on race differences. Character limits really dampen my ability to elaborate.

When you pointed out that you "Think" the US would be better with only European descendants, I do wonder your motivation, proof, examples, even case studies to back up this argument.

I was simply making the argument that if you exclude culture, there is no study that shows how race can affect someone's ability to believe in the American ideal of freedom and democracy.

[kilija383]

"Character limits really dampen my ability to elaborate" a cop out if I have ever heard one. I used the word think because obviously I am not completely sure. I am sure that I would rather live in a predominately white country. Most white countries are more successful than non white countries. I think it is extremely nieve to think race has nothing to do with it.

[junkyardmonkie]

I said that, as i used another response post to elaborate. That point is moot.

I understand that you do not know, but what countries are you comparing? Does japan count as a non-white nation? You could say something about Japan's economy, but then you would have to remember that their currency is stronger, and we are in a recession.

I also ask again, what actual studies, numbers, countries are you comparing? Is there another example of a culturally mixed democratic society that has failed?

[kilija383]

Of course asian countries do well. When i said non-white I meant blacks and hispanics. Black and hispanic countries usually are not as successful as white and asian countries. I believe that they are not because of racial differences. I know that this is extremely politically incorrect but I believe it to be true

[junkyardmonkie]

I would have to agree with you there.

I mean just look at how poorly Spain is being run...

Again, this is cultural. The Americas were a series of experiments. Canada and America did well, but we had a lot of the same cultural history and very similar governments. the Us was also tightly run by the British monarchy, which gave it a tremendous head start

[llopisblai]

Uh, sir, Spain is a WHITE country and yes, my country is run poorly just as most continental european white countries are run poorly and this has to do with the fact that we never had a truly protestant parliamentary revolution back in the 1600s.

Second, the IQ rate for Spain is 99 while it is 98 for the USA. And thirdly, we are doing a much better job at expelling non white immigrants than any western country. I agree that the Spanish colonization was not great: due to catholicism.

[junkyardmonkie]

I'm not quite sure if I'm taking you statement correctly, but I was responding to someone's statement on how Hispanic cultures were run poorly. (Spain is considered Hispanic) I was actually being sarcastic about Spain. I believe that while there are countries that may be in better shape, it was being run fairly well.

Your example about IQ marginal at best, but that is based more on school systems than race. Better systems an teachers make better students.

[llopisblai]

oh! Ok Junyardmonkie, I just realized of course that you were being sarcastic, sorry about the confusion but I was commenting a bit late at night and was sleepy. Uh with regard to the hispanic thing, yes, Spain is a hispanic country / I just normally take issue with "hispanic" being used for race because it isn't a race as you know. The Spanish school system is terrible (public system) but perhaps you're right as I'm no expert on IQ or science.

[llopisblai]

"I mean just look at how poorly Spain is being run..."

What about Italy, considered white in the US, being run much more poorly than Spain?

[junkyardmonkie]

The difference between Spain and the South American countries they founded is that they had many different things going on. The land (much of it being a rain forest) had not been managed before. They also used a strategy that had the church use a lot of control. Unfortunately, in an isolated environment like south america, that doesn't work in the long run. Governments grow, they are not just spontaneously created.

[junkyardmonkie]

Africa is a different case. I'm only going to respond at why government was difficult to form because i think Rwanda & S. AF have a pretty good govt.

This is another ex. why geography is an issue. They are spread out and it is hard to develop a govt when people aren't close enough together to work, trade, educate, and most importantly, Tax.

Because of this, all the small villages make up their own ways to govern. Many use religion and fear, because if you're the ruler, youre in power longer.

[kilija383]

I get tired of people with all these highfaluting explanations of why other races aren't as successful as the jews, whites and asians. You just won't own up to the most obvious answer

[junkyardmonkie]

Ok, well now that I see that you are just trying to find fault (you got on me for not fully explaining because of the character limits, and now are getting on me for explaining), I realize that this is an ideology for you.

Ideology are much harder to change because they are based on certain views that people have told themselves are fact, and unless those views are reevaluated to determine if they are actually true or not it is impossible to change minds.

Btw, what is this most obvious answer?

[junkyardmonkie]

I'm confused. He was just complaining about illegal AND legal immigrants coming into the US.

He sounds British, so is he telling us he wants to go home to Britain? Doesn't he have a job here?

And why didn't Cenk ask him his country of origin to trap him in his own contradiction?

[audadvnc]

This guy has a British accent? Why is he in the USA?

The right has been losing popular support among the younger white vote, partly because young folks are repelled by "white culture" racist issues. How does his agenda address the generation issue?

[SpiralUp1]

@audadvnc u r so full of chit! lol

[kilija383]

I would rather have British people in the United States than mexicans

[eirefrance]

This guy thinks that whites are going to start voting Republican just because they appeal to their racial identity? That is a plan for failure. Very few whites I know are itching to start voting for a party based on racial identity. Rural Alabama is not the nation. Fat chance appealing widely with that.

[dadreamzworld]

Who ever vote with this idiot is just as dumb as he is yes he is a racist!~ Cenk caught it early on!~

[champyoko]

hahahaha yeah thats right....dunbass...I wonder how many caught it ;)

[champyoko]

wow......what a dunbass....wont even listen to facts from his own web page and other polls!!! IDIOT!!

[champyoko]

wo....

[MomSaysImCool]

I love this line from Icky Thump: "White Americans, what, nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out, you're an immigrant too!"

[TheFunkyDomination]

The guy's a limey and wrote a book called Aryan nation - whoa

[eeedel]

Yeah this dude is a bit of a racist. Just google his name... I found out about his ties with the H.L. Mencken Club, even the man the club is named after is a controversial author and infamous bigot.

[adamthebaddun]

What an idiot douche.

[MrSmartBob]

They are a hate group. And what a hypocrite. He is an immigrant. Dumb ass.

[lonelygreenteagirlie]

Holy shit. They sound like Nazis.

[OmamaII]

this is a comment

[slitrobo]

no comments?

[benson471]

this guy is a clownshoe.