Vegetable definitely doesn't sound right to me. I think Greg probably vaguely remembered the definition of "votary" but for some reason he thought of "vetrope" and associated it with the definition.
Whatever the case, it's still a great song, and it tells us that Greg doesn't just sit there with a thesaurus and look up words for his songs to sound intelligent. He knows almost all of them by memory!
Well I guess vegetable bears more merit than vetrope... But if it isn't correct, then votary is probably the word they were looking for. Anyway, it's not a big deal as Bad Religion has produced over 250 songs of pure intelligence.
Even though I think Greg's a smart guy, I think he means votary in this song. He says, "I ain't no blind supporter" and that is the direct antithesis of what a votary is. As a matter of fact, I don't think the word vetrope exists.
In any case, this tune is still amazing, and is probably the longest fast song I've heard from them thus far.
Yeah you are right, the word vetrope doesn't exist. Sorry English isn't my mother tongue so it's hard to tell for me. According to the forum of "The Bad Religion Page" the word is vegetable, Jay Bentley told them they say. Doesn't make much sense, does it?
@Blackfury1 just because you cant find it in a dictionary doesn't mean its not a word. Thats the awesome thing about English. If we couldn't draw upon logic to further develop the language, it wouldn't be worth the letters forming it. That said, I don't think it is Votary, and that the actual meaning is what you originally thought is was, not something to later cover up something creative they made back when they were actually punk enough to make their own REAL words. Existence if a funny thing.
I hereby decree vetrope to be a word. A word that, being multifaceted, is meant to mean a summation of the syntax it is used within. I will annotate etymological considerations in the proper peer journals for the sake of all those involved, and appreciate your backing for such an endeavor should you choose to follow me in this pursuit.
If you like the ideas explored in this song, you should check out Zeitgeist Addendum, it is hosted on youtube for free, they tell how to create a Utopian Society :)
This music is incredible, especially considering the time it came out. NOBODY was playing music like this back then. The new stuff is still ripping. No other band has ever managed to maintain consistent over time like BR. These guys are infallible.
Well me too in a way, but I still think "The New America" was their worst album. I remember how the band felt old and tired to me when I first heard it. Let it Burn was a fine tune and I also liked the bonus track The fast Life but not really the rest of it.
Especially the first half of it kind of sucks, its way to poppy.
But songs like "the hopeless housewife", "dont sell me short" and "there will be a way" are some of their most emotional songs, all being sung incredibly well by greg. and those are really good songs.
i also like whisper in time, i love my computer, and let it burn. 1000 memories is okay.
@DaymanVersusNightman huge fan as well.i havent heard unknown though.did you like how could hell be any worse?i was hoping they would continue playing that style of hardcore into the next album
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Urkdlt 6 months ago
also who ever wrote this song has grammer fail(i think) the line "I'm not taking nothing for granted anymore " double negative fail :O
thisisfun815 1 year ago
Vegetable definitely doesn't sound right to me. I think Greg probably vaguely remembered the definition of "votary" but for some reason he thought of "vetrope" and associated it with the definition.
Whatever the case, it's still a great song, and it tells us that Greg doesn't just sit there with a thesaurus and look up words for his songs to sound intelligent. He knows almost all of them by memory!
bobmarley12az 1 year ago 2
English isn't my first language either, but the only word I can think of is "metope". Still, it wouldn't make any sense at all...
MrBradipo73 1 year ago
what can i say.. hmmn nothing... pls dont follow.. pls respect each religion
franc21 2 years ago
Uma das melhores músicas de Bad Religion!
Letra SUPER atual, principalmente para um país de terceiro mundo, como aqui no Brasil.
Uma pena não ouvi-la mais nos shows..........
fabaodaufba 2 years ago
@fabaodaufba com certeza cara, Bad Religion é a melhor banda do mundo!!! dia 13 de outubro tem show aqui em são paulo.
josuellopes 5 months ago
one of my favs.... bad religion , best band ever
jhalchan 2 years ago 12
Well I guess vegetable bears more merit than vetrope... But if it isn't correct, then votary is probably the word they were looking for. Anyway, it's not a big deal as Bad Religion has produced over 250 songs of pure intelligence.
Johnnydotca 2 years ago 3
Now that I think of it, could the word actually be votary? It would make sense. Anyway, maybe I'm hearing it wrong.
Johnnydotca 2 years ago
Lyrics are taken from the booklet so I assume they are correct :) Dunno whats a vetrope either sorry
Blackfury1 2 years ago
Even though I think Greg's a smart guy, I think he means votary in this song. He says, "I ain't no blind supporter" and that is the direct antithesis of what a votary is. As a matter of fact, I don't think the word vetrope exists.
In any case, this tune is still amazing, and is probably the longest fast song I've heard from them thus far.
Johnnydotca 2 years ago 3
Yeah you are right, the word vetrope doesn't exist. Sorry English isn't my mother tongue so it's hard to tell for me. According to the forum of "The Bad Religion Page" the word is vegetable, Jay Bentley told them they say. Doesn't make much sense, does it?
Blackfury1 2 years ago
@Blackfury1 Well people who are brain dead are called vegatables, so maybe hes referring to that useage?
thisisfun815 1 year ago
@thisisfun815 I didn't know, but that sounds reasonable!
Blackfury1 1 year ago 2
@Blackfury1 just because you cant find it in a dictionary doesn't mean its not a word. Thats the awesome thing about English. If we couldn't draw upon logic to further develop the language, it wouldn't be worth the letters forming it. That said, I don't think it is Votary, and that the actual meaning is what you originally thought is was, not something to later cover up something creative they made back when they were actually punk enough to make their own REAL words. Existence if a funny thing.
nazaxprime 9 months ago
@Johnnydotca
I hereby decree vetrope to be a word. A word that, being multifaceted, is meant to mean a summation of the syntax it is used within. I will annotate etymological considerations in the proper peer journals for the sake of all those involved, and appreciate your backing for such an endeavor should you choose to follow me in this pursuit.
Thank you for your time, and mashed potatoes.
"I don't think the word vetrope exists"
It does now!
nazaxprime 4 months ago
One word, Excellent.
However, I wouldn't normally do this, but what's a vetrope?
Johnnydotca 2 years ago
If you like the ideas explored in this song, you should check out Zeitgeist Addendum, it is hosted on youtube for free, they tell how to create a Utopian Society :)
XxINCHAINSxX 3 years ago
You can't dodge this one, epic song!
SphereStack 3 years ago 12
Last of the great Bad Religion stuff right there. Straight up Anthem !
dedricthere 3 years ago
Why last? You don't like their post "The New America" stuff? To me the band feels like reborn since "The Process of Belief"
Blackfury1 3 years ago
This music is incredible, especially considering the time it came out. NOBODY was playing music like this back then. The new stuff is still ripping. No other band has ever managed to maintain consistent over time like BR. These guys are infallible.
oregonflatland 3 years ago 3
I agree, although i've deeply loved everything they ever created. Except into the unknown. But i'm a die hard fan.
DaymanVersusNightman 3 years ago 2
Well me too in a way, but I still think "The New America" was their worst album. I remember how the band felt old and tired to me when I first heard it. Let it Burn was a fine tune and I also liked the bonus track The fast Life but not really the rest of it.
Blackfury1 3 years ago
its not easy to talk about the new america.
I also think it's definitly one of their worst.
Especially the first half of it kind of sucks, its way to poppy.
But songs like "the hopeless housewife", "dont sell me short" and "there will be a way" are some of their most emotional songs, all being sung incredibly well by greg. and those are really good songs.
i also like whisper in time, i love my computer, and let it burn. 1000 memories is okay.
i think its better than the grey race
DaveTheFuckingBrave 3 years ago
@DaymanVersusNightman huge fan as well.i havent heard unknown though.did you like how could hell be any worse?i was hoping they would continue playing that style of hardcore into the next album
deSadetheImpaler 1 year ago
what about recipe for hate and STF?
2 of the best albums
conenofx 2 years ago 2