KNOW THE LEDGE TV PRESENTS ALI MUHAMMED GIVES NATURAL TEHUTI DEBATE ADVICE!!!

[MrJamell21]

he sayin the word nigga and he supposed be muslim. what does this have to do with getting jobs.

[mobspeak]

WoW is it like a boxing match in the hood? I mean why not be muslim BROTHERS, instead of always shitting on each other.

[AFRICA4AFRICANS]

AAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL TTTTTTTTTTTTAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL­LKKKKKKKKKKKK NIGGERS!!!!!!

ISLAM STARTED THE AFRICAN SLAVE TRADE

[blkgirlblues5150]

I wish we could have these kinda debates on the west coast. The NOI in OaklNd has been dis credited because of charges on Dr Usaf Bey which is suspect. But I still support the NOI because Iv seen the transformation in blk men and women who join. I do believe the white man is the devil as I do all of the teachings.

[Followingfist]

Is the Nation keeping it black? It's about the image? Dam.....Ali Mhammad sounds suspect. Many of our people are smart......but not wise. There is a difference!

[Followingfist]

To really know the Elijah Muhammad, one would have to "go into the mind of the Messenger". As members or Ex-members of the Nation we can't go by him or the book, we have to go into the mind. Do we really understand the Wisdom of the Messenger and why he chose Farrakhan to take us into the deeper meanings of the teachings? Don't sleep on the Nation because they appear weak. They seem to be the most talked about Nation behind closed doors. How do I know? I look how Farrakhan is treatedevenby R own

[Followingfist]

I've been listening to the Nation of Islam since '91. I've never heard Farrakhan say Prophet Muhammad was white. If he was, so what. Fard's mother was white too. Whiteman came from blackman...what's the significance in this period? It's not necessarily the color, were dealing with nature! Farrakhan teaches Jesus b'cause our ppl are more familiar with him rather than Prophet Muhammad.

[Followingfist]

The Nation has flaws? What organization doesn't have flaws? Everybody has room for improvements! In order for Farrakhan to be standing up on flaws, he sure is the most respected amongst us so called black leaders and black so called gods, moors, hebrews, nationalist or what not. No one else challenges government the way he does and is feared. I don't see us coming together on our study in a genuine forum to solve our problems as a Nation!

[Zodslayer]

It would really be interseting to see some debates like this between some sisters. It would be interesting to see if the Sisters have any opposing views on the position of Women in this whole question regarding the godhood of Women. Maybe someone could orchestrate a debate like this from two or more opposing camps.

[Zodslayer]

Ye are gods with a small "g" and therefore, so ye think, so ye shall be. All you have to do to see the mind of God, is behold his/her creation and all you have to do to see the mind of iblis or shaitan or Lucifer or whatever name you choose, is look at who tries to destroy God's creation. This is evident all around us. We do not need to be confused about this, for God has made it evident. You will know them by their fruits or their actions. The evil one's actions are a witness against itself.

[Zodslayer]

Here is a mystery solved. "I am that I am," or "I will be, what I will be." God is a non physical mind that will and has manifested or expressed its self in human form. Everything exists within the mind of God and is a lower vibration of the mind of God. All other minds are either in harmony with the God consciousness of the all or they are rebellious mental vibrations out of synchronicity with the mind of God. God expresses his/her character in his/her creation as male and female.

[jkristwife]

He can't even find unity in his family!! He beats his wife and then preaches that to be muslim is to be a 'moor of peace' He is a master manipulator that is using the black community and taking whatever he can get! He is not to be trusted!

[CashPacasso]

Its foolish to question the existence of The Prophet Muhammad when his family geneology can be historically traced and verified. Its not like Jesus where there's no physical evidence. Muhammad tomb is located right in Medina where his ministry of Islam florished. This common knowledge that any real Muslim knows

[detjay313]

Dr Ali Muhammad bey be droppin that knowledge. I wish that debate between him and Sara Seti would have happened. He would have killed Seti

[newyerusalem1]

if blacks were kings of Egypt and blacks are Hebrew what does this mean? blacks enslaved blacks and blamed the white man black devils lie just like the white devil

[bizit0921]

the slave his-story was made up by the neoeuropean ...continue your lessons bro you are still managing an F+

[MrKs47]

No matter what is said of The Nation, the track record speaks for itself. The Nation has put in tremendous work despite opposition on all sides. The fact still remains that the Minister has studied, and labored for too long for his credibility to be questioned. If he is a General, and he is more than that, does he need to explain his strategy to civilians? If we were really studying we would understand and see exactly what he is doing. Now lets be quiet and get busy doing something.

[CashPacasso]

Its crazy that even to this day people still follow the teaching that Elijah Muhammad was a prophet but yet claim to be muslims! How can Ali say Tahuti can critique the modern day NOI because they finally accepted the REAL ISLAM and REAL PROPHET MUHAMMAD whom he calls WHITE but yet use ARAB names and scriptures. The very word ISLAM is Arab but yet these so called Africans and Black prophets choose to become muslims and call themselves Muhammad and then turn and say he was white. Brainwashed!!!

[MrKs47]

@CashPacasso we never claimed the Honorable Elijah Muhammad was a prophet Brother. He is the Messiah the whole world is looking for. His Teacher is Mahdi, or Allah in Person.

[CashPacasso]

Thats even worst brother...Your saying that Elijah Muhammad is the Messiah???? How and he BECAME muslim....The messiah wouldnt need to LEARN a religion that has already been here for over 1400 years. And as far as someone being Allah in PERSON...thats blashpemy and goes directly against ISLAM. Thats some pagan idealogy that you NOI people have embraced throught your beleif in Christianity also. Islam is NOT a pagan religion and doesnt promote pagan idealogy. GOD is not and never will be a man!!!

[MrKs47]

whats worse is that you refuse to acknowledge the force and power the NOI, and how our efforts made it possible for you to be a Muslim in America, whether you agree or not.

Everything we believe in that youi take issue with, is the root of our success in raising our people from a mental death into life. Our works should be enough for a fool to realize that the Nation has impacted and affected our people in a way that is unmatched. You would do better if you unite on what we agree on.

[NkrumahTure]

This brother is always smiling Always cheesin' like Pops Armstrong. Stop smiling so much brother, you look suspect.

[jspears19]

Probably enjoying life.

[ihateimall]

I KNOW NOTHING

[MASSIECJR]

So why didnt Ali Muhammed debate Natural Tahuti?

[warrior4israel]

does any body think dr phil valantine is a agent or is it ail muhaqmmad?

[DaGodRa]

@warrior4israel I think you fHebrews are the fucking agents, You niggaz is all over the place with your information. I wish y'all would go back to Israel and have your trade routes cut off. See how holy of land that is! Your whole movement sounds comedic

[TheELSABA]

Phil is definitely suspect.

[rahim4411]

Phil Valantine is for self and wanna sell books and DVDs and say things without correct sources! I don't trust him! Hes another one ducking and dodgin!

[skylabx2000]

its like there are thousands of people who would not have listened to khalid Muhammad including our own peoples but when he did the Donohue interview they we compelled to watch even the racist supremists had to pay attention and khalid did not turn down the heat just to stay politically correct thats what was so beautifull, maybe iam off the deep maybe this is going to drive the youth into deep study and the next marcus is on his way with the expertise this time ill check back in 6 months

[FaithWalks22]

The new marcus garvey? You mean leading people back to Africa basically? Quick notes...first got to get past Cataclysmic events, Second disease thats already and been here, third amerikkkan military forces. So, basically as I stated before I want someone to prove to me that there aren't any UFO's or other life forms. Also only a small portion of this Earth Population will even be in Africa when its all said and done. If I am wrong then we will see. Its genetic why the Earth is the way it is.

[FaithWalks22]

What I mean by cataclysmic events is....Nature is unbiased to those who cause it to be sick....or pollute it. Nature doesn't reason the way humans does. When I tornado comes it kills whoever in its path...no questions ask. Thats why I all for erroneously called Death...its a natural in the order of this "present" world process that has been very misconstrude. I don't get disgrantled when I see people dieing. I get disgrantled when I see people whine of over a phenomon they are so confused about.

[FaithWalks22]

The pyramids of Kamite are built astronomically, and astrologically for a reason....!They didn't just build the civilization and pyramids just to display how great they are. When the pyramids were built the nations knew who they were already. There wasn't an inferioriety complex going on.

[skylabx2000]

people have the wrong concept this debate is all ego even if not intentional why? because a year from now no one will remember what it was all about maybe 100 people will have some vague idea, debate some high level preachers, rabbis, Imams Harvard historians something where people are going to take notice if your putting out 500,000 dvds then i stand corrected it all just seems to be a waste of good energy that is going to benifit a hand full of people good as it may be its just a shame

[FaithWalks22]

its in peoples DNA why we are ignorant. We can read all the books in the world, do all the religious rituals, praying to ancestors, calling on all the Modern names of GOD key word Modern...but guess who's the only person listening YOU. The most ancient GOD or power is "SELF".

[muptahu24]

dna alone disputes your comment of self

[FaithWalks22]

No it doesn't dispute it...possibly you misconstrude what I mean. Are you not in a degenerate state. Is there not poisons from this present world in your physical body. This present world can't touch our true self. I digress....I deal with cosmology. I don't fossilise messangers nor do I condemn the messeages. I decode them. I don't see the world many do. Nor am I trapped in a box=aka book anymore. Peace!

[FaithWalks22]

When I say DNA I mean that we are in a degenerate state. The ancients in just about every High Civilization spoke of these very days. Even more we can look at nature and see the signs to remind the wise. Ignorance=sleep

[FaithWalks22]

I also get disgrantled when I see grown men who claim to have wisdom whine or bemoan because of so called death. Its evident we all going to become deceased one way or the other whether old age or something else. The key to this present world is to comprehend "Self". Who is the ALMIGHTY! MAker of Life and the one who Takes away. All the other rhethoric is senseless...I want someone to show me who or what came before the Black man and Woman? Let the obfuscation began?

[TheELSABA]

LMAO. Lets see.

[hetheru]

What a handsome and intelligent man!

[FaithWalks22]

Underground meaning not in the public eye of doing things as a people.

[FaithWalks22]

Another aspect is knowing Christian folklore called the Rapture. Many are expecting to be raptured up or out by ETS in the New Age movement, then christians are waiting on a christ yet "he is a white man." Some crazy jihadist Islamism white arabs say osama bin laden is there mahdi.

[FaithWalks22]

Tahuti may not to attack UFO's why cause many modern scientist agree that they exist. He may attack what they are but not attack the fact they exist. Plus, I doubt he comprehends ancient technology in civilizations, or the oral traditions in India, Africa, and Americas. Or better yet the written, artifacts, and drawings from the ancient High and Low civilizations. All you have to do is look up RAMA EMPIRE.

[MarquettaX]

UFOs? If these "ascended masters" truly exsit do you think they are our friends?Black People arent caught up on a continent we are trying to survive. Even with this "War of the World UFO lizard man conspiracy theory" They too are looking for Black Gold "Africa" thus the eternal caste system. EARTH, AIR, FIRE WATER is all in good FAITH.

[FaithWalks22]

I didn't say anything concerning Reptillian Agenda theories. I said UFO's or advanced flying Objects. So your whole motivatation is liberating a Continent? Sister we are a global people. And, concerning the so called reptillian issue you stated we are more powerful then they because we existed before them. I digress. All I'm saying is this either figure out the reality of the matter and began learning how to eradicate the diabolical agitators out of this Earth.

[FaithWalks22]

If Dr. Wesely Muhammad historical facts are accurate. I think alot of us better learn about the black muslim revolutionist who were fighting this white man. If Muhammad was a black man they might want to comprehend the fact who he was warring against....

[FaithWalks22]

THE only relevant aspecst are did Muhammad exist, and was he a black man! I really am disgrantled to the fact that this issue could have been cleared up a long time ago. Although we are in divine will...no matter what. I have tried to get Tahuti, and his followers to answer simple questions from various books. No respond. But they are quick to respond to irrelevant topics. Its going to boil down to intellectual dishonesty. If Dr. Wesely facts add up and are valid factual historical.

[MarquettaX]

Did you ask a question? I have asked you twice in one video blog an answered all of your questions(I think). And I am a follower of no man. I am an Independent Free Thinking African in the United Snakes of Slaves shitstem who lives on Mother Earth an depends on Mother Earth even as she an I are enslaved by foreign invaders. Blessings to you an yours!

[FaithWalks22]

Peace! What was your question?

[FaithWalks22]

Peace!, Whether they are friendly? Good question? Well by interperting the movies they put out. First, they have so called ET's that they want humanity to embrace such as new agers movements. Those are the movies they depict them as friendly yet they are not or will not be. Then many missed the fact that Whites are aliens meaning non-original. Lastly, they potray another type of outside beings that are coming to destroy them or so called mankind in their movies.

[FaithWalks22]

I'm trying to figure our how deep is this. Dr. Wesely premise is Muhammad himself was a Black African! Thats the only relevant aspect.

[FaithWalks22]

Tahuti better do his islamic history. He need books? LOL!

[MrSamidPtah]

Everything isn't for Everyone,& I mean no disrespect,but this seems a bit juvenile to me.I'd rather we get together & build about changing how screwed up the World is & not stand by while young brothers & sisters fight in the street while I'm smiling from ear 2 ear talking about the youth are "Crazy" & their fighting for real ... Just my thoughts ... Hotep/Ma'at ...

[BOWTOTHEGREATLEGEND]

Damn I want to see the rest of this conversation.

[smashrockwell]

Respect..

[4ThaLuvTube]

Interesting points being made. Big Upz to Ali Muhammad on this one. The only way to Get Answers is to ask Questions. - P.e.a.c.e./Hotep -

[MarquettaX]

LOL do yall keep calling Wesley out like he a champion? Wesley is silly he doesnt even make sense half the time. He boring and trys to act like Minister Farrakhan without the same knowlede or integrity/ STOP IT, LOL.

[LaidiFocus]

*claps* that niqqa is a serious ''recovering'' crack addict.. i can spot them a mile away. lmao! Minister Farrakhan he can preach drunk and high off that perple-perple .. lmao!

[kadashkushaiah7]

Marquetta smh. anyway, how are you doing?

[MarquettaX]

shalawam Ach Im fine an yourself we still here we still standing an debating LOL over who was Black when everything was BLACK FIRST. 1 Love to you bredren!

[geneofisis]

Niggas gotta eat! :)

[FaithWalks22]

MarquettaX so allow me to ask you some ancient historical questions and Russian, and Indian scholars. Many people fail to realise Western Scholarship isn't world scholarship. And many scholars disagreed with Western Scholars Origin of Civilization construct. They claimed to be about 5,000-6,000 years ago. Thats the problem many have lack of critical thinking skills.

[MarquettaX]

Whats the question you have? There is proof that is uncovered daily in Africa of civilizations dating back as far 30,000 years. The KMT calendar was dated 3,000 yrs prior to any Western Mans exsistence. To say that Western Man is the authority on World history is a fallacy becuz YT folk DO LIE!

[FaithWalks22]

MarquettaX did the Ancients deal with electricity? What type of technological advancements did the most ancient of civilzations deal with? I gurantee with these two questions alone will dispell alot schisms period. Let alone YT catholics destroyed many ancient documents.

[MarquettaX]

Of course also developed indoor sewage systems and irrigation systems superior to todays. The issue isnt what they did then, its the impact of those invaders who claim our history as thier own. And those of us who co-sign foreign invaders theft of our past. The issue is IMPERIALISM AND FOREIGN OCCUPATION OF OUR MOTHERLAND AN THE RAPING OF HER NATURAL RESOURCES.WHILE WE ARGUE AN DEBATE OUR GLORIOUS PAST ON JEWTUBE. MANY LIBRARIES WERE DESTROYED BUT ANCESTRAL KNOWLEDGE IS IN DNA.

[FaithWalks22]

Allow me to start off by saying there is not one Authentic spiritual/religious system on this Earth. Each is fragments from an original. Second there is not one righteous lawful, rational, and logical commerce/economic system in this Earth. Lastly, it doesn't matter whether you start your own page or not...Not one of us hold physical power over this Earth as of yet. Therefore if they say no more electricity for a week no one getting on Youtube.

[FaithWalks22]

Allow me to take a simple quote:

Although the library at Alexandria was destroyed by fire as well as knowledge centers in other locations, the ancient Indian texts from the Ramayana empire still exists and gives credence to the fact that viminas (ancient Indian flying machines) are a reality and not a figment of anyones imagination.

[FaithWalks22]

That quote is just so you can get an idea what I mean by Technological Advandcement. Sure the white man will say the ancients such as Kamit had sewers, and dealt with some form of electricity. But, thats basic technology plus where did they get the knowledge to even build such a great civilization? Their Ancestors perhaps?

[FaithWalks22]

MarquettaX this the only point I'm trying to make whether people ignore the fact of the matter or not. Is that the only relevant issue there is right now is this UFO phenomenon from antiquity up until now. What relevance does UFO's have to do with so called Black people. I notice you all get caught up on a continent. And the fact of the matter is the whole Earth and every ancient civilization and cultre has been corrupted off of greed, Jeaously, and lust for power. Peace!

[MarquettaX]

FaithWalks22 @" the only relevant issue there is right now is this UFO phenomenon" I'd have to respectfully disagree also. We have to be more humane an empathize with Humanitys Oppression. If the UFO phenomenon is indeed fact then they also enemies of humanity.

[FaithWalks22]

Concerning the humanities oppression. The moment I learned common sense and what respect was that issue was nipped in the bud. Once I learned the difference between lust and true love. Its self explainantory. Now "if" There are some beings that are backing or aiding these crackas guess what that means? They each have to be extinguished and eradicated. But, the fact is learning your enemy to defeat it. Now you see what I am saying?

[FaithWalks22]

Peace Sista, what I am saying is that it has taken thousands of years of learning how to defeat us on a global scale, and 400 plus years of pushing us into how to constantly put us to sleep in Amerikkka. These crackas are grossly wicked, to the point they have learned how to get our people to join their armies, big businesses, politics, and religio-politcal systems. Thats post slavery. To me there is no theory that these crackas have gained this much of power of doing this for some cave men.

[FaithWalks22]

What I am not saying is looking for an enemy differ from the white man. Because he is an alien as well...non original, and as we can see as he depicts in his cowboy and indian movies they can't be trusted. Lastly, there are indigenous people who some never even seen a white man before. They also run from him when they do see him. True stories are on this one site. They even state how they didn't have diseases until christian missionaries came with the cold. Thats during the 90s-2000s.

[FaithWalks22]

The second ones they depict coming to destroy mankind. Well, the only plausible explaination is the one Elijah Muhammad explained. And some Black Hebrew Israelites. Now I have answered and put myself out there. Yet, again it all boils down to whether the so called UFO's exist. So, yes I have critically thought about this for some time. But, according to Elijah Muhammad concepts he didn't teach for us to look for salvation outside of ourselves he taught that it was us or our ancestors on the Ship

[FaithWalks22]

And again the only reason I entertain the claims is because of one no one should be ignorant of anything. Two, we should be prepared, and aware=conscious of whats going on around us. Thirdly, if these beings exist we sitting up debating on politics and ish when we should be loading up on weapons, and going underground because it will get real ugly in the streets. A mass holocaust because people will become hysterical. We all seen what happened in New Orleans. Now will a repeat happen?

[FaithWalks22]

IF they do exist and aren't black people or even if they are and they aren't friendly. Guess what then it means warring against them even if we all die. This is the mindset our people should for one another...precautionary. Yet we fossilise, and Romanticise leaders to much.

[TheELSABA]

Wesley isn't as silly as you. Nor is he a hypocrite like you. And you don't know his integrity.

[MarquettaX]

A HYPOCRITE BITCH PLEASE! You on here withot name rank or ID. You can get at me with your concerns. The NOI is built off ex-Chirstians! Went after CHRISTIANS with this IDEOLOGY denouncing the BIBLE AN JESUS as a whitemans slave making tool. Only to come back an claim it as a part of ISLAM.lol You cant handle the fact we have our own MINDS. You are pissed we are free thinking people AN YOU ARE A MIND CONTROLLED SLAVE.

[TheELSABA]

But on Lance Shabazz page you are commenting "Long Live Elijah Muhammad"??? Hypocrite!

[muptahu24]

long live elijah muhammad, noble drew ali, fuad ali muhammad, issa al haadi al mahdi al munir al mukhlis, and long live you and me, and all us who will fullfill the works of these great men. we r the cream of the earth.

[muptahu24]

natural tehuti will get him on the cia involvement that sheikh dawud brought out so tahuti got dem books ali talking about. if tahuti go in with the seti type mis direction hype, but then focused the facts on xposing things like that crakkka muhammad, and the crakkka fraud muhammad, not the fuad ali, the lebonese.-- now if wesley sucks him in and show it as the afrikan craft that was behind it and every other prophet[neb] masters, then we will b rewarded as a people, with powerfull info

[TheELSABA]

Sheikh Dawud brought up CIA involvement??? Really? CIA didn't even exist in 1930. And Master Fard is not a fraud.

[muptahu24]

sheikh dawud answered the challenge of 100k by the holy messenger elijah poole bey. it may have been in the 60's wil check. the cia was around then but it wasnt incorperated. remember it was cointelpro that got garvey, and the messenger who were working 2gether. elijah materialized the gov. drew ali got the land, c.m. bey reformed the zodiac constitution., york completed the doctrine and gave us our u.n. type facility.. we just have 2 b in our proper person mentaly, u noi look the part.

[TheELSABA]

Please direct me to any kind of verification of what you say. Elijah's name was never Elijah Poole Bey. York got a UN type facility? Where? If Dawud met Elijah's challenge, why was York trying to claim to be his successor as an Ansar? Why didn't he just be Dawud's successor? Nevertheless, show me the records of what you claim.

[muptahu24]

do u know the messengers birth name? he got the bey when both him and the real fuad ali muhammad were in the adept chamber. isa al mahdi was doing his mission when shaykh dawud was alive. isa al mahdi mission was the s.o.i., sons of the green light etc.. the book of laam. the land called wahanee ta mare of the west, that was taken illegally was that counsalet 4 our people. but we still r not 2gether as a people.

but as far as your questions on who elijah was, TAHUTI SURE IS GOING TO SHOW U ALL!!

[TheELSABA]

Yes, I DO know The Messenger's birth name. And you are lying with that Elijah and Fard were in the adept chamber. SHOW PROOF! And once again, why was York trying to claim to be the successor of Elijah Muhammad??? Maybe you are the same easy to lead negro with short memory (or maybe you are a new jack getting high of the latest bs teaching). But I am neither, and I DO remember. Take that to the lightweight new jacks on the street who don't read, and quote the latest nut with a youtube clip.

[muptahu24]

go talk to a moor in the moorish science temple.

dont u see elijah in a fez, what moor proof than that. r u a female? elijah prophasied, and issa al mahdi ful filled it, so elijah made him the successor, ansaar allah community was the manifestation of the devine movement 2 me. adonay tsaba is shamash tsadak- atum re

[TheELSABA]

Just because you fell for their lies don't mean I do. The fez was worn by black men in America before Drew Ali. He didn't copywright it! Oh ish. You said Elijah Muhammad made York the successor? Yet you say Dawud met Elijah's challenges? Which one is it? You tripped your own self up. Whew. That was too easy.

[muptahu24]

i am levitatimg, tripping is imposible. dawud did meet those challenges thats when elijah commented about the touched up pics. and lok at the muhammad speaks paper, with the foi reaching over to the ansaars, this all b4 your time

[TheELSABA]

Nothing you said defeats my point. If Dawud met Elijah's challenges, then why is York claiming to be Elijah's successor and not Dawud's (who followed Drew Ali)???

[Steadno]

should be a good debate for the people to learn from.

[ankh4835]

tehuti shouldnt even deal with ali he should just focus on wesley

[muptahu24]

natural tehuti is going to bus true islaam why?

ali muhammad is looking at true through his eyes[the information wesley brings]. ali states that they sleepin on wesley. but he needs 2 accept hat true islam puts them to sleep. by the time wesley muhammad makes hs point, the the audience will b aslep, cause cuz is boorrrriiinngggg. sorry, truth is truth, i fall asleep lookig at a 9 min vid, and in the entire 9 min he dont make the point until the end of the next vid..

[KRock2000]

if the audience is looking for excitement they should probably go to the movies seti lecture or the circus. Most movements get started from niggas tryin to feed into a certain energy. Most movements don't need substance because the people are there for their daily fill of collective energy. You are right true islam does take a while to make his point. He should make it more interesting but the information is more important. Natural Tehuti will appeal to the hood cuz he has a hood approach.

[muptahu24]

i agree with u. due to the fact that its an interest to the masses of our people outweigh the proper reason 4 them 2 b interested. THEY SLEEPING ON TEHUTI.